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WAIT.
Why can't people just farm shrimp instead of trying to convince everyone to eat bugs? Surely shrimp farming would have the same resource requirement as insect farming right?

>> No.15192094

>>15192086
water. that's the next oil

>> No.15192096

>>15192086

Wait do they farm fucking bugs?

>> No.15192101

>>15192096
are you 14?

>> No.15192105

>>15192096
they aren't being foraged by kids with bug nets that's for sure

>> No.15192112

Religious dietary restrictions on shellfish, allergies, and shelf life are my big problems with that.

>> No.15192120

no one is going to eat bugs thats just a schizo meme. global warming is going to be fixed before long even regardless of government policy because fossil fuels will not be able to compete (they rely on subsidies even now), and then liberal environmental asceticism will mostly disappear (with the polluting corporations that partly created it) and environmentalism will be less moralistic and dumb.

>> No.15192124

>>15192101
Huh?

>> No.15192126

>>15192094
but they live in salt water not fresh?

>> No.15192130

>>15192086
lol! what sorta crazy deens are these?!

>> No.15192133

>>15192112
>Religious dietary restrictions on shellfish, allergies, and shelf life are my big problems with that.
You have some good points, as far as shelf life it can be processed into quite a few dehydrated/paste/cured products etc.

>> No.15192145

>>15192124
https://globalbugs.asia/
multi-billion dollar industry, half the foods you eat in a given day have bugs in them
like genuinely worryingly ignorant for you to be so shocked that people farm bugs, maybe get outside the house more once COVID is over bud

>> No.15192150

>>15192120
7.8 billion and counting, from 1 billion in 1800. also it has nothing to do with global warming, subway chicken has been 50% soy for 2 decades, not for the environment or ethical reason but because it makes them more money than actual meat

>> No.15192151

>>15192086
Bugs are on land and shrimp are in water, so that makes it harder.

But yes, prawn farming is a great idea and we should do more of it. There's a dude on YouTube who has a whole channel dedicated to information on setting up your own prawn farm. Aquaponics is also a really cool thing where fish / shrimp and plants can be grown together.

Personally, I really like the idea of heliciculture, but it's super heavily regulated in the US. This is the raising of snails for food. Super healthy and they aren't really bugs, they're a lot more like seafood. I quite enjoy eating them.

As for bugs, nobody is really trying to make you eat bugs bro, you gotta shake that paranoia. I mean obviously bugs are sustainable, but there isn't that much demand for them and personally I wouldn't want to eat them much, and that's coming from a chef who loves eating all kinds of food, including things that a lot of people think are gross.

>> No.15192159

>>15192126
depends what kind. also stop pretending they aren't poisoning the oceans too

>> No.15192166

>>15192150
population is a meme as well, farming is a lot more efficient than it has ever been and will continue to improve, and the population will go down of itself as women get more educated and developing countries get more affluent

>> No.15192228

>>15192145

>covid

Huh?

>> No.15192280

>>15192159
>The oceans will be poisoned beyond the ability to set up ship farms but the land will not transmit any pollutants to bugs.

???

>> No.15192400

>>15192086
I've been wondering the same thing myself, but I figure as other anons have said that land bugs are just easier to farm. Degrading as it would be, if they ever get the gene-splicing science to the point where they can give cockroaches the taste and texture of prawns at a cheap price I'd probably be willing to eat it.

>> No.15192425

>>15192086
You don't get it, bug-eating being disgusting is the whole point. It's a psyop to dehumanize the goyim.

>> No.15192441

>>15192086
What level of retardation are you at? Shrimp = bugs.

>> No.15192449

>>15192441
don't be a pedantic fuck wit

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15192451

>>15192151
>covid

>> No.15192452

>>15192425
>bug-eating being disgusting
It's not, though. It's a delicacy in most cultures, and highly nutritious.

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15192483

(((>>15192452)))
We know your games.

>> No.15192488

>>15192452
That’s because most cultures are comprised of brown people

>> No.15192524

>>15192483
Take your meds, schizo.

>> No.15192542

>>15192483
your parents paid for it yesterday, you're paying for it today, and your wife's kids will pay for it tomorrow

>> No.15192571

>>15192452
I'm genuinely curious, when you say
>It's a delicacy in most cultures
is that because the alternative is starvation or malnutrition? I know some South American peoples eat tarantulas, but I feel like they'd be less enthusiastic about that if steak was on the menu.

>> No.15192595

>>15192571
you know how popular steak and grilled meats are in those exact same parts of south america, right anon?

for example, vietnam - bugs are extremely popular there. you'll find grilled meat served up at the same stalls as giant tarantulas. they are enjoyed equally because they are both legitimate, normal proteins

eating bugs is only gross to, and i'm not saying this to be rude especially not to you being curious, but it's only gross to pussies and westerners. it's just like anything else that isn't culturally normal around the rest of the world: it doesn't come down to necessity for most people in modern days, it comes down to culture. bugs can be damn good cooked up right

>> No.15192617

>>15192595
are there actually pussy chinks who don't eat the poverty food someone fished out of literal human feces when offered to them?

>> No.15192628

>>15192595
>bugs can be damn good cooked up right
How would that be?
How many bugs have you eaten?

>> No.15192633

>>15192617
i mean if you're held up equating the comically clean conditions required for modern bug farming to feces you're probably a pussy yeah

>> No.15192634

>>15192571
It's not physically possible for 8 billion people to be eating steak all the time. I know you're looking to find a conspiracy behind every rock, but the math just doesn't work out. People either need to start eating lower on the food chain or start dying. There is no other option.

>> No.15192637

>>15192628
Do you hate lobster and shrimp? They are bugs.

>> No.15192650

>>15192628
i've mostly consumed ants, grubs, scorpions, crickets, mealworms, grasshoppers - stuff common and easy to get here in the west.
good candied, with bbq, dried for snacks (like healthy lil protein packed chips) and just about any way you can fry them will be good
i've had opportunities to eat tarantulas and they honestly look really good & meaty but i have passed every occasion

would probably rec ants or crickets to try first because they're very cute and smallish bugs

>> No.15192651

>>15192634
Sounds like we got too many people then. When did the narrative of green faggots change from "we have to stabilize and lower the world population" to "Eat bugs so our tech billionaire overlords can continue to eat their steak and lick their gravy while feeling a smug sense of morality for it?"

>> No.15192654

>>15192633
do you speak english?

>> No.15192659

>>15192651
You're not making any sense.

>> No.15192666

>>15192086
Shrimp farming (along with other farmed seafood) is already a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrimp_farming

>>15192133
>shelf life
Shrimp freezes and keeps fine

>> No.15192671

>>15192151
>There's a dude on YouTube who has a whole channel dedicated to information on setting up your own prawn farm.

Do you have a link to this?

>> No.15192677

>>15192595
>eating bugs is only gross to, and i'm not saying this to be rude especially not to you being curious, but it's only gross to pussies and westerners. it's just like anything else that isn't culturally normal around the rest of the world: it doesn't come down to necessity for most people in modern days, it comes down to culture. bugs can be damn good cooked up right
You're not being rude, I'm pretty ignorant of a lot of things and I appreciate your response. That does surprise me that it would be eaten alongside animal meat. I'm probably a bit more open to the idea of trying it now, but it also comes down to a matter of how it's prepared, not to mention that it probably won't actually become a phenomenon in the US for some time.

Viewing it through the lens that they're essentially just the more evolved relatives of delicious crustaceans like crabs and shrimp helps break it down that its really just a cultural barrier as you say. I didn't expect to have my mind changed so easily. Thanks.

>> No.15192697

>>15192677
yeah it's definitely not something to be expected as a sweeping-craze in the U.S./CA region
you more than likely have at least a mealworm farmer in your local area that would probably be happy to supply some quality stuff - that being the key here, if you want to cook 'em yourself I can't exactly recommend taking them off the floor/dirt and processing them yourself but that's up to you/your comfort levels/your research into the matter

cricket protein powder could be a drinkable entry to consuming bugs but it's about as delicious as any protein powder (it's not)

>> No.15192716

>>15192634
>People either need to start eating lower on the food chain or start dying. There is no other option.
I'm down for both of those things. It would be nice to have more options that leave a smaller environmental footprint than cattle while also not overcrowding the planet with people who only serve to produce more starving mouths to feed.

>> No.15192734

>>15192716
If it were up to me, we'd be airdropping free birth control over the third world 24/7. But the evangelical nutjobs will never let that happen.

>> No.15192735
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15192735

name a tastier bug than the humpback shrimp
this was president trump's shrimp of choice when he ate in south korea

>> No.15192740

>>15192734
yeah your retarded idea is impossible because of christians not the retardation of it

>> No.15192743

>>15192634
>not being able to eat a 90% meat diet is too hard for people
ngl, just eat the fucking noodles

>> No.15192746

>>15192740
i mean they kinda do airdrop food and supplies around the world and deadass get stopped from dropping contraceptives by christian advocacy groups it's really not a retarded suggestion
it probably should also not cost $1,100 a day to provide HIV medication but again lobbyists are having a good time

>> No.15192752

Running a shrimp farm seems fun, but it's probably a huge pain in the ass.

>> No.15192762

>>15192746
ah yes, they are being stopped by them, my mistake

>> No.15192779

>>15192752
Yeah probably. I wonder how much easier or harder it would be to raise clams, mussels or oysters, I feel like i wouldn't have a problem living off those, plus there'd be less guilt involved since there's no pleading eyes to look into as they're harvested.

>> No.15192813

>>15192637
>>15192735
What definition are you guys using for "bugs"? Lobsters are crustaceans... I think of bugs as insects. Are all arthropods bugs to you?

>> No.15192815

>>15192779
Pretty sure all mussels and oysters are salt-water creatures. They're filter feeders too which means figuring out some kind of feed solution. Sounds complicated on a biomechanical level.

The shrimp people are raising are freshwater prawns. They're omnivores basically so you can even feed them kitchen scraps I would assume, in addition to maybe a nice nutrient-rich shrimp chow. I have tiny red cherry shrimp in my aquarium, and the fuckers basically sustain themselves and breed like crazy. Obviously a food shrimp would be harder to raise than these guys, but I still imagine shrimp would be much easier to raise for food than most other aquatic animals.

>> No.15192850

>>15192779
Oyster farming is fairly common on the coasts. The canned oysters at the grocery store come from China, I'd assume they've got some kind of aquaculture growing them there too.

I'm not sure if Oysters are ever grown in manmade ponds.

>> No.15192854

>>15192815
>Pretty sure all mussels and oysters are salt-water creatures.
Ah good point, in that case I'm all aboard the shrimp wagon. It would be sweet to have a free -range prawn pond to just dump scraps into and harvest shrimp by the bucket. Would probably smell terrible though and actually need aeration.

>> No.15192855

>>15192813
"Bug" is a general term for invertebrates. Biologically, not just arthropods but arguably protostomia in general.

>> No.15192869

>>15192855
Fucking WRONG lol

Bugs means insects and MAYBE crustaceans, but that's it. You think squids are bugs? Come on bro..

>> No.15192874

>>15192869
here's your (You)

>> No.15192896

>>15192869
The word "bug" is not a scientific term with a precise cladistic interpretation. It basically means any small creepy crawly thing. 'Arthropod' captures most of it, but there are bug-like species throughout the tree of life.

>> No.15192903

>>15192815
There are freshwater mussels. I'm not sure many people eat them these days, but they are edible. Mother of pearl buttons made from oysters used to be a huge deal, Muscatine Iowa produced more than a billion buttons a year in its prime. https://muscatinehistory.org/explore/

People are farming saltwater shrimp too, here's a shrimp farm kind of near me:
https://www.shrimptasticllc.com/about-shrimptastic

>> No.15192921

>>15192869
Gregor Samsa turned into a giant bug, not an insect. A woodlouse is not an insect.

>> No.15192925

>>15192896
Actually, "true bugs" are those insects of the order Hemiptera, though the term is sometimes restricted more specifically to the suborder heteroptera.

"Bugs" as a colloquialism is used to refer to other insects, but it's not some arbitrary thing. The notion that all invertebrates are bugs is completely laughable.

>> No.15192934

>>15192855
>"Bug" is a general term for invertebrates.
No. You know this isn't right (Are jellyfish bugs? Octopus? How about tunicates?) because your of next sentence:
>Biologically, not just arthropods but arguably protostomia in general
Yeah that's a pretty good definition.. I don't agree, because I still thing lobsters aren't bugs, but that's fine.

>> No.15192935

>>15192921
>Gregor Samsa
Gregor Samsa is turned into an "ungeziefer," which means a "bug." It is never specified what kind of bug he becomes.

>> No.15192949

>>15192934
Lobsters to me are "bugs" but they aren't bugs. In a colloquial sense it's fine, because insects and crustaceans share many similarities. Actually lobster divers often refer to them as "bugs," with that being the preferred slang to call them by. They look and act like bugs.

This person's claim would even include sea sponges as bugs.... Stupid.

>> No.15192954

The point is to attack cultural norms and make people miserable, not to actually improve the planet.

>> No.15192959

>>15192869
>>15192896
>>15192925
His first line didn't make sense, but his second one did imo.

>> No.15192980

>>15192935
But you can infer that it can't be an insect based on the descriptions he gives.

>> No.15192993

>>15192954
Eating bugs aligns with cultural norms, dumbshit. They are very popular street foods all over the world.

>> No.15192997

>>15192980
>retarded and autistic incel whose works are all published against his will posthumously
>h-he can't describe an insect correctly
shocking

>> No.15193133

>>15192280
you can grow land bugs with just food waste in a closed environment.

>> No.15193166

>>15193133
I'd rather just grow mushrooms desu

>> No.15193220

yes...yes... eat the seabugs...

>> No.15193235

>>15193166
you don't get a choice. your jew water baron overlord will decide for you

>> No.15193264

>>15192086
i bought some shrimp from a restaurant and the fuckers just gave me whole shrimp, the head, shell and shit chute all intact.

>> No.15193355

>>15193264
>not being able to handle a whole shrimp

Never gonna make it

>> No.15193407

>>15193355
i wasn't ready.

>> No.15193422

>>15192993
Then keep them there.

>> No.15193443

>>15193422
You deserve to be slow-cooked to fall-off-the-bone perfection.

>> No.15193446 [DELETED] 

>>15192112
Jews are allowed to eat roaches but not have a cheeseburger?

One more reason to nuke Israel.

>> No.15193491

>>15192735
>https://globalbugs.asia/
She didn't de poop it. Gross

>> No.15193534

>>15192112
you think Jews will eat land bugs over sea bugs?

>> No.15193563

>>15193166
What mushrooms are dense with complete protein chains?

>> No.15193574

>>15192752
It is a huge pain in the ass. My dad gave it a shot when he was in Indonesia. You’ve got to medicate the shit out of their environment so they don’t get parasites and diseases. That’s standard for all farmed seafood except bivalves.

>> No.15193587

>>15193491
the way she stuffs the whole thing in her mouth though~

>> No.15193646

>>15192934
the fuck. both lobsters/ shrimp and spiders/roaches/scorpions have an exoskeleton, jointed appendages and segmented bodies as an example. they're 2 kinds of crustaceans... land bugs having evolved from sea bugs. pancrustacians, wigga.

>> No.15193742

>>15193264
Whole shrimp is best. Even if you don't want to eat the head and shell and stuff, it makes your shrimp much tastier to cook it in the shell and then peel it. Or you can use these bits for stock. I buy large peeled raw frozen shrimp usually to keep as a freezer staple (always buy frozen unless you live at the ocean), but if I plan to make something really quality where shrimp is a key ingredient then I do like to buy them whole.

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>>15192425
This and they don't want you self sufficient. Allowing us dirty commoners to produce our own food would mean we wouldn't be dependent on them. That's also why they want you to not have property.

>> No.15195442

>>15192086
I've eaten bugs before and they're not bad IF only for the exotic appeal of it. But i still can't see it becoming a staple unless something really bad happens.

>> No.15195482

>>15195387
Land bugs are the most self-sufficient food there is.

>> No.15195485

>>15192145
Food dyes, and????
But this is the same culture where people do not know that a lot of gelatin is just bone stock.

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>>15192112
Fuck Jews

>> No.15195899

>>15192166
Is that why land keeps getting cleared for farming?

>> No.15195907

>>15192954
To improve the planet people must suffer one way or another. A healthy environment is incompatible with current human society

>> No.15195965

>>15192086
They do. Asians farm fresh water shrimp in their rice fields.

>> No.15195973

>>15192120
>Fossil fuels unable to compete.

It's the opposite actually. The entire solar and wind energy sector globally would not exist if it wasn't for huge government subsidies, same for a lot of electric car development. Meanwhile global demand for fossil fuels is rising as population rises.

>> No.15195990

>>15192595
>you don't eat shit? what are you a pussy?

>> No.15196047

>>15192595
>for example, vietnam - bugs are extremely popular there. you'll find grilled meat served up at the same stalls as giant tarantulas. they are enjoyed equally because they are both legitimate, normal proteins
no we don't
what the fuck are you on about

>> No.15197144

"They" want you to eat bugs because of how they view you not because they want to feed people