Wine

[Anonymous No.15150811]

what is a decent red wine?

[Anonymous No.15150818]

Chateau Petrus is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.15152093]

>>15150811
This is a good starter wine for brain dead idiots. Look for it in the French Red section.

[Anonymous No.15152102]

Depends what for

just straight drinking, or paired with a meal.

If paired with a meal, then the wine choice can change depending on what you're serving.

[Anonymous No.15152114]

How do I get "good" at wine? I can usually only detect faint differences from one wine to the next, and I have no idea how to even begin making pairing suggestions based on those faint differences.

[Anonymous No.15152125]

>>15152114
drink flights of wine is a fun way to learn...although expensive. I will have friends over and buy a few wines from Oregon, Senoma, and Napa regions.

[Anonymous No.15152278]

>>15150811
One that gets you drunk

[Anonymous No.15152360]

Franco Serra Barbera d'Asti. 12.99 at my store, 13.5%, light body and low tannins with a nice fruity character without being in any way sweet. It's one of my favorite less expensive reds, alongside any Beaujolais I can get my hands on.

[Anonymous No.15152387]

>>15150811
What a stupid question. Do you have any idea how broad what you jus asked is? Do you have any idea how much red wine is out there? Have you ever looked in a liquor store and noticed how much wine there is? What does decent mean to you? Do you have a price point in mind? What kind of flavors do you like? DO you have any experience drinking wine before? What kind of other things do you like? DO you have a food in mind you want to pair the wine with? Are you drinking it on its own? Where do you live? All of these factors would change the answer to your question.

[Anonymous No.15152839]

>>15152102
what about for just drinking?

[Anonymous No.15153225]

>>15152114
wine snobs are alcoholics in denial. just drink different bottles until you find one you fancy. if you've drunk plenty you should be able to describe in a posh way what makes it different to you.

[Anonymous No.15153270]

>>15150811
You can start with "not from australia"

[Anonymous No.15153760]

>>15150811
In my experience most of the supermarket stuff is bad, but one of my favorites is a 6 euro French red bottle from the supermarket. You never know.

Just try some stuff, see what you like. Ask the people in a liqor store. They can tell you which one of their wines got good reviews. A liqor store over here mentions good reviews on the store label.

[Anonymous No.15153786]

>>15153270
Filtered

[Anonymous No.15153831]

>>15152839
Buy whatever fits your palette and is in your price range.

It's going to vary from person to person, some people like sweet fruity reds, some people like a dry red. Some want something in-between.

[Anonymous No.15153966]

>>15153831
could you recommend me something on the sweeter end with not too much acidity?

[Anonymous No.15154956]

>>15150811
try red wines that are a single grape varietal (don't get a blend). Eat cheese or steak while drinking a red wine (this will show show you how tannin content of different varietals effects your digestion).

[Anonymous No.15154959]

>>15150811
Kalergi Plan 2007 reserve.

[Anonymous No.15154978]

>>15153270
Based chine.

Unlce winnie trusts you on this side of the wall, does he? Not worried about you picking up some wrong thing about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre?

[Anonymous No.15154992]

>>15154978
le reddit army was here

[Anonymous No.15155007]

>>15154992
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[Anonymous No.15155015]

>>15155007
epic

[Anonymous No.15155136]

China is going to snap their own fucking arm trying to flex too hard. These tariffs are only the beginning of their economic bulling but it will be for naught.

[Anonymous No.15155155]

>>15153966
zinfandel if you want to be cheap or amarone della valpolicella if you've got 40-60 dollars to drop

[Anonymous No.15155156]

>>15150811
at least 12.5%

[Anonymous No.15155200]

>>15155136
nobody is going to start drinking your nasty overripe ethanol and sugar swill just because le chinaman bad. try making wine that doesn't taste like shit, can you try that for once?

[Anonymous No.15155209]

>>15155200
not him but tasmanian sparklings are fucking gr8

[Anonymous No.15155214]

>>15153225
How's those mineral exports going bru? Oh wait

[Anonymous No.15155228]

Get yourself a nice Malbec or a Chianti. Something around the 15 - 20 dollar range should do it

[Anonymous No.15155242]

>>15155007
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[Anonymous No.15155253]

>>15155209
let me guess very "old world cool climate style" (translation: tastes like carbonated corn syrup and everclear)

[Anonymous No.15155276]

>>15155253
huh? no. They're fruity and rich like the man you give blowjobs to for money to help pay your rent

[Anonymous No.15157220]

>>15155155
hmm I am a poorfag so I will try out zinfandel
thanks!

[Anonymous No.15157327]

Red wine is a drink like any other. It exists in a range of styles and prices suited for a range of different purposes. The 'fancy' aspect of wine is like most other discretionary spending. In part done to demonstrate value/prestige amongst the rich and because to some it really doesn't seem like a lot of money. For those on a budget the improvements in quality/suitability are marginal.

As in ... spending 30x the price of a half decent wine doesn't get you a wine 30x better than a half decent wine. It'll get you something unique, but not necessarily 30x better.

As you drink more red wine you'll start to get an idea of what each country is good at. You'll start to get a feel for what regions are good at. You'll start to learn the difference between varietals and within vintages when they are good or bad.

That does require lots of drinking and experience though. There is a reason why it tends to accumulate with time.

[Anonymous No.15157384]

>>15157327
This was a nice post. I like this post. An issue to begin with is that (aussie) we have such bullshit tax markups on wines, even a nice "imported" wine from Italy,Spain,France is almost always 10$, avergage "okay this will be fine" 25$+. The end of the day option for many households and below has is GOON; 4 liters of liquid that may or may not get you drunk and shiv your liver when done. I mean yeah it's nice to have options and be able to sample and TASTE the differences in wines... I dont feel like a snob, had the good stuff; glug the bad. Its hard to talk about how good wine can be when the bar was set way beyond the means of other peoples.

[Anonymous No.15157422]

>>15150811
>High end Penfolds Shiraz
You've answered you're own question Aussie OP. Fight the China tariff by buying local

[Anonymous No.15157435]

>>15157384
Here (UK) the climate means almost all wine is imported with local wine being a relatively expensive and low quality speciality. I've been to France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, America and Germany and found it is the same in all wine producing nations with average quality low cost local wine being a fairly priced everyday staple and imported products attracting a premium. In Japan the local whiskey, macro beer, chuhai shochu etc were very reasonable. In Poland local beer and vodka. In Slovakia the borovicka and Hungarian wines.

I guess I don't know what to say, but I suppose I'm fortunate that almost all everyday wine of fair quality is 9-13AUD per bottle no matter what country it is from. A small amount of Spanish and Italian, a larger amount of Australian and larger again amounts of South African wine is often as low as 7AUD, but this is about as cheap as it gets.

[Anonymous No.15157480]

Better than any mega purple cali wine

[Anonymous No.15157517]

>>15157220
>>15155155
American zinfandeal I've always found sweet and childish. It is a pure alcopop. Crowd pleaser for sure, but try an Italian primovito from Puglia. Far more grown up, more robust tannin structure, bit brighter, sits better with the fruit bomb/jam.

>>15155228
French malbec can be austere and challenging at the low to medium price point. I like it, but it isn't a cheap or easy drinking wine. Argentinian malbec is obviously where it is at for pressing the big bold red with a sweet fruit balance without hard tannins button. I like. Chilean malbec always a little cheaper, bit thinner, brighter and maybe a bit more grown up as a result.

Chianti is a pure aperitif or food wine for me mainly with cured meats, smoked meats, game etc. Even the more expensive ones I've had have a thin acidic character which in better wines drinks like a bright red fruit/current vibe, but can often be dare I say slightly acetic. This isn't a fault in the wine however, but it makes it relatively specific and I'd recommend it as food wine.

>>15153966
What countries are available to you? What wines are good value in your region? Cab Sav is usually well made and extremely balanced, but will be bright, acidic and robustly tannic not on the sweeter end. You are better looking at shiraz/syrah (intense fruit, especially australian) merlot (chilean make the best fruit forward examples at the lower end of the market for me) Beaujolais nouveau (french, extremely light, strawberry notes, almost missing tannins) Red cinsault (South Africa make excellent examples, light fruity)

[Anonymous No.15157664]

>>15157517
>American zinfandeal I've always found sweet and childish
Have you ever even had a good American zinfandel before? The shitty supermarket brand 7 deadly zins sin't really representative of what is out there you know. Try something by Turley, they make great wines.

[Anonymous No.15157691]

>>15157664
To be fair it's hard to find any american wine that isnt convulated when it comes to mega purple. The judgement of paris was 44 years ago bud. The ridge and stag dont cut it. It's time to look into american wine just as they did the antifreeze austrians. But then again a 1985 austrian would still taste better

[Anonymous No.15157712]

>>15157691
You're not just a snob, you're a snob who obviously doesn't know what he's talking about, or is too poor to try a large selection of good modern American wines

[Anonymous No.15157726]

>>15157712
No not a snob. I just don't like beijg lied to. I know a lot of american wines are great but I do not trust to buy them because of your long nosed practices. Speak to your consortium and find a better way to shill your wine, faggot

[Anonymous No.15157732]

>>15157726
Good luck in the land of capitalism.

Regulation is bad. Or so I've been told.

[Anonymous No.15157742]

>>15157732
For someone trying to shill wine I's have thought you'd like regulation? But of course cailfornia should have none so you can pump as much mega purple in as you can. Try harder

[Anonymous No.15158181]

>>15157664
Yo man you got suckered in to talking about something with some weirdo idk. But that zinfandel you mentioned is over 40 bucks a bottle here. For comparison moet nv imperial is about 25 bucks. I mention moet not because it is the best wine ever, but it is a price point and gives you a good idea of what market position it would occupy here. Like it is the price of a case of purple fruity supermarket special zinfandel. People are always like.. Ooh you haven't had a good one yet when it is often more realistic to accept how the world views a regions output in a typical context because that is the true default position desu.

Also 40 bucks a bottle puts it up against some fantastic wines. Most regions produce fantastic wines at that price point desu.

[Anonymous No.15158213]

>>15150811
If you don't know wine, but still want to bring a bottle as a present, ask the person working at the wine store what a good LOCAL red wine is. That's all you really need to be seen as a thoughtful guest, as not only did you bring a small gift to the host, but you supported a local business as well. You can even say "I don't know much about wine, I hope it's good", and if it turns out to be vinegar swill, at least everyone will know you put some thought into the offering.

[Anonymous No.15160040]

>>15158181
>Most regions produce fantastic wines at that price point desu.
And that was precisely my point. Snobs who go around trying to say there are no good x varietal wines or no good wines from y are just fools. Just because that guy hasn't had a good zinfandel doesn't mean they aren't out there. For a more affordable zin, I would recommend one from Mettler.

>>15157691
>>15157726
>>15157742
I honestly feel bad for you. Swear I have seen you have this same schizo posting spree in other threads. Seek mental help.

[Anonymous No.15160268]

>>15160040
I'm not trying to be a snob I'm trying to say that if you walk into a regular store and pick up a sub $15 bottle of American zinfandel you'll most probably be picking up an alcopop and at least here an Italian primavito at $8 is typically the better choice if you want a lighter body, a drier finish and still soft yet more complex tannins. The American zinfandels I've encountered have been too sweet and balanced towards red grape, blueberry and bubblegum.

[Anonymous No.15160295]

>>15160268
You might not be trying, but you sure are succeeding.

[Anonymous No.15160488]

>>15160295
Aren't you the same moron calling people snobs while also calling them poor because they can't afford to judge a region solely upon its higher end output? What do I know I'm only recommending an objectively better wine for way less money y'know like a typical snob or something.

[Anonymous No.15160494]

>>15155242
They taught those in school, try again Chang. Maybe try to include the Glownigger stuff next time, maybe it will get people righteously angry.

[Anonymous No.15160625]

>>15160268
Listen anon, you are trying to seem like the reasonable one here but I think you are confused. You cant just sperg out about regulations and mega purple and how the Americans are tricking you and then post soemthing like
>To be fair it's hard to find any american wine that isnt convulated when it comes to mega purple. The judgement of paris was 44 years ago bud. The ridge and stag dont cut it. It's time to look into american wine just as they did the antifreeze austrians. But then again a 1985 austrian would still taste better
and then claim that you are being reasonable and just considering low end widely availabe cheap stuff.

And just for the record, I prefer Italian wine to US wine.

[Anonymous No.15160819]

>>15153225
Only tastelets who know nothing about wine make cope-posts like this.

[Anonymous No.15160832]

>>15160268
>buys pedestrian horseshit at pedestrian horseshit prices
>expects tres bon complicated wine for experienced drinkers

[Anonymous No.15160836]

Seems like an appropriate enough board, so I’ll ask; if I was to buy a very old wine, what should I know beforehand so I’m not getting literal vinegar in a bottle. For reasons, I’m eyeing one that is relatively aged, and I want to make sure if I’m dropping a couple hundred bucks on old grape juice that I’m doing it right.

[Anonymous No.15160850]

>>15160836
There's no way to be 100% certain- serious drinkers will age stuff on their own, under ideal conditions, and some of the bottles will go 'off' regardless. Nicer wine stores will refund you or replace the bottle if you open it and it turns out to be corked, oxidized, skunked, etc.
You should go for wines made from grape varieties, and from growing regions, known for high tannin, high alcohol, and high acid. All of those qualities gradually diminish over the course of the aging process, so wines that start out with more will end up having retained more, in addition to the suite of age-related notes that will develop.
Also, do research on good years for each region.

[Anonymous No.15160854]

>>15160836
Forgot to ask- how old are we looking for here?

[Anonymous No.15160858]

>>15160836
threads aren't boards, zoomer.

[Anonymous No.15160866]

>>15150811
This ones nice.

[Anonymous No.15160880]

>>15160854
1943
>>15160858
whatever

[Anonymous No.15160890]

>>15160850
This is all really great advice, I never would have thought about looking up regions and such. Thank you for this

[Anonymous No.15160899]

>>15160880
>What will it be, sir?
>I will have a wine so old that I can taste in it the blood of young Germans and Frenchmen sent off to die by their governments, garçon
>Excellent choice, sir

[Anonymous No.15160909]

>>15160899
It was a good year

[Anonymous No.15160923]

>>15160909
Just get a bottle of the Chateau Kirwan, you vampire.

[Anonymous No.15161076]

>>15160836
old bottles will be auction-only, cellar proprietors, or old inventory at an ultra-high-end boutique

Acker wines has some pretty high-end old stuff on auction, here's their official guide
http://webdocs.ackerwines.com/BottleDescriptions.pdf
Typically they have a cellar expert try a handful of bottles of wine from a collector before agreeing to auction their goods--they look for color, sediment, fill levels, and where the cork sits in the bottle.

Just know that you are looking at thousands of dollars minimum for anything older than 30 years aside from vintage ports

[Anonymous No.15161298]

>>15153225
>wine snobs are alcoholics in denial
>tells you to do what wine snobs do

[Anonymous No.15161310]

>>15155209
Nah, it's all about the shiraz.

[Anonymous No.15161378]

>>15157384
>we have such bullshit tax markups on wines
Except we don't. Wine is taxed differently from other alcohol. Most of what you're being charged is just currency conversion and shipping costs.

I've picked up a nice Chilean pinot noir for as little as $6.
And you can get a nice bottle of any variety for $15 (except sparkling).
Get on board with the Aussie shiraz and NZ sav blanc.

At $25 you're well into good wine territory and that's more than most people ever spend. You've just got to learn to pick them.

[Anonymous No.15161689]

The last couple of times I've had wine, I was sure I was tasting some sweetness in it. Even after I was told that it was a very dry wine.

Are there flavours that I'm misinterpreting as sweetness that are actually something else? Maybe like mild sourness or tartness?

For reference, the wine I'm trying now is from a batch of relatively cheap merlot I had brewed for me earlier this year. The batch was "ready" back in September, so I suppose it's only aged for around 2 months. I was told it was the kind of wine that doesn't benefit a huge amount from long-term aging. More of a table wine than a fancy kind of wine.

Red wine's supposed to go well with red meat like steaks. It's also good for making a sauce if you deglaze a pan after cooking in it, to collect and mix with the rest of the juices. That's most of what I know.

[Anonymous No.15161717]

>>15161689
all wine has sugar in it, even dry wines
certain varietals produce more sugar, and certain varietals taste fruitier than others even at low residual sugar levels
there's also oak exposure and malolactic fermentation, the prior of which introduces compounds like vanillin into wine and the latter of which converts malic acid (found in green apples) into lactic acid (found in dairy)

Wine is a balancing act of acid, tannin, and sugar, so dryness officially falls as less than 2% residual sugar or less than 10 grams per liter. I can tell you for a fact that merlot will get up to high alcohol if you let it, which means lots of fermentable sugars.

[Anonymous No.15162074]

>>15160625
That dude isn't me.

>>15160488
>>15160268
>>15158181
>>15157517
>>15157435
>>15157327

Was me.

[Anonymous No.15162128]

>>15160832
I'd encourage wine to be viewed as an everyday drink. Phrases like 'pedestrian horseshit prices' just ... what is it? You believe that only expensive wine can be good?

If you can drink wine regularly and be exposed to it frequently you'll develop a palette and understanding far sooner than if you drink exclusively expensive wine infrequently. As in an earlier post there is diminishing returns on price to quality with wine where increasing prices might get you something rarer and more interesting, but not always better and certainly not on a 1:1 basis.

You've got to remember that while all wine producers would like their wine to be appreciated as complex, rare and expensive wine is judged in context of other wines. Therefore the output of countries, regions etc must be seen as part of this equation, you can't just write off everything below a certain price as invalid.

The market for expensive wine is only so big, so to sell more wine overall you've got to produce for the lower end of the market as well where the market is huge. This factors into what a region is known for in everyday conversation.

Market forces dictate that all regions put out fairly decent wine at fair prices. Wine finds parity with other beverages because of the same market forces. Wine producers can't compete otherwise. There is variation across regions due to seasonal changes making some varieties better during certain years and some regions due to taxation, tariffs, cost or ease of production, currency conversion etc regularly offer greater bang for buck, but this is subject to change and personal taste comes into play. It is where an informed consumer can exploit these differences to make better than random choices.

Certain regions make certain varieties which are enjoyed for being simple and uncomplicated. Some wines aren't particularly great to drink, but they fulfil a niche food paring role. They aren't all expensive yet some are still better choices than others.

[Anonymous No.15162192]

>>15160836
I once bought 12 bottles of rioja containing vintages from 1980 up to 1997 from the same producer. This must have been in 2014? All but one bottle was ullage in the neck, one bottle touching shoulders. Fortunately I was buying it from a wine merchant who'd replace or refund any bottle that wasn't any good. They were all fair.

The fill level is generally the most straightforward indicator of storage condition. Label and overall condition. Where you are buying it. Parity with prices for the same wine elsewhere, sometimes a bargain is not a bargain because somebody else knows better. 1943 is very very old. Not all wines benefit from ageing, let alone extreme ageing. 50+ years is extreme.

I've a case of 2003 dead arm shiraz. I don't intend for it to go further than 30 years. What variety is it?

[Anonymous No.15162195]

>>15150811
I shop by price, there's so many brands that price is a good basis. Anything over 30 is usually not sugar and watered down bullshit

[Anonymous No.15162218]

>>15161076
>looking at thousands of dollars minimum for anything older than 30 years

Not true $80-100 will snag many 30 year old wines.

The thing is are you buying it to drink or as an investment? That is often what defines the value.

I buy wine generally to drink. I have a yearly spend. I have my favourite varieties and regions. I generally know what a fair price is and what a fair year is. I know when something surprises me. When I see something I like the look of I go for 6 or 12 bottles. I cellar them and maybe they hang around, maybe they don't.