/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.14887339]

To the Americans on /ck/, how much does the poor quality of available fresh fruit, vegetables and meat affect your desire to cook? For any of you who've left the country, how was your experience abroad?

[Anonymous No.14887347]

>>14887339
it just tastes better raw probably

[Anonymous No.14887362]

Not sure what you're on, mate, there's very little that's difficult for me to get my hands on from great sources. I frequent farmers markets in the warmer months and eat a shitload of seasonal vegetables, I'm on good terms with a couple of butchers and a fishmonger, and you just fill in the gaps with stuff that's fine all year round.

[Anonymous No.14887376]

>>14887339
i love vox, really helps me form the right opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpkQEq75y18&list=PL4NL9i-Fu15g_BKv8wYgmZuv1cESesXod

[Anonymous No.14887405]

>how much does the poor quality of available fresh fruit, vegetables and meat affect your desire to cook?
Firstly the quality of these (and baked goods) are only poor in a large chain grocery store. If you go to a specific type of grocery store for specific goods, if you go to a farmer's market or other places that stock locally from farmers, or if you go to a reputable butcher or fish monger, you will have excellent quality and pick of these things.

Admittedly not everywhere has access to these things and that's disappointing. Some places are food deserts with nothing but a walmart or such to buy food from, and you can't get much worse choice than that. Others have farmer's markets but so few farmers in their region that the quality and variety of the produce is meager. If I lived in one of these places it would undoubtedly affect my desire to cook and my personal fulfillment in general. That's the kind of places my family prefers to buy their food from as it is now, despite having better food readily available, and I will never understand why when there's such a clear difference in flavor and quality.

>For any of you who've left the country, how was your experience abroad?
Not particularly different from America. the produce is a bit better quality from chain grocers, but really the above holds true. Farmer's markets, and other direct sources, will always be better quality than not. And those are the places I prefer to shop, especially abroad. So the main differences become variety and not quality.

[Anonymous No.14887419]

the only fresh produce i buy are cabbage, broccoli, zucchini, onion, garlic, ginger, jalapenos, limes, bananas, and oranges

peas are best frozen
canned peaches and pineapples are both very good
canned green beans are surprisingly good
canned tomatoes are superior to fresh tomatoes, deal with it
pickled cucumbers, peppers, olives, etc. are superior versions of their counterparts

i try to spend less than 20 minutes in the store every month

i'm not going to drive around looking for the best fresh peaches, strawberries, and tomatoes (for sandwiches), which are the only things i would even remotely consider doing that with

[Anonymous No.14887423]

I've spent quite a bit of time in foreign cuntrys and I can say that while my desire to cook isn't dampened by am*rican's love affair with frankenfoods, it does take up a ridiculous amount of time and energy to avoid trashfood here in the Untied Snakes of ameriKKKa

The fact is if you even imply that there's a difference between this tomato and that tomato the fly*vers will shit themselves with rage and call you a commie foreign islamic invader and good taste is LITERALLY white genocide

I wish I was making this up

[Anonymous No.14887433]

>>14887339
This is definitely not true for all of Europe.

t. lives in Scandinavia

[Anonymous No.14887437]

>>14887419
Canned pineapples are disgusting, honestly kill yourself

[Anonymous No.14887439]

>>14887339
>t. has never had f&v from the netherlands

Never tasted something as fucking weak and watery as that shit.

[Anonymous No.14887441]

>>14887423
>I wish I was making this up
You are. Flyovers live in areas with prime farmland, they understand the importance of good quality produce. It's lazy homecooks, usually boomers but not always, in urban and suburban areas who will fly off the handle about that.

[Anonymous No.14887448]

>>14887437
toss 'em in the freezer for 30 minutes and then get back with me, tastelet

[Anonymous No.14887451]

Didn't read the article lol

I can tell you fruit is better in Canada than London UK. In the UK I found things were always sub-par, usually overipe, didn't last nearly as long in the fridge, for example I bought a packet of strawberries that got moldy after about 2 days in the fridge :( veggies are comparable, sometimes they're good sometimes they're bad. I know people will rave about how fruit/veg from the mainland is great, but I never saw it. Maybe you need to be an upper -middle class liberal who shops at Waitrose to get the good stuff

[Anonymous No.14887455]

>>14887339
I lived in Europe for two years (Netherlands) and there's virtually no difference. People just eat up any anti-America articles.

[Anonymous No.14887459]

Cant vouch for europe, but in NJ their are plenty of farms to get some good stuff and they also sell to smaller grocers. You can get good stuff if you step outside the big stores.

[Anonymous No.14887460]

>>14887339
Depends on what I'm eating. I did notice food was better in Europe but not by enough to make a massive difference. Except for tomatoes and shit, American super market tomatoes are kinda ass and I thought I hated them for a decade.

[Anonymous No.14887469]

>>14887419
You wanna know how I know you've never had good fresh tomatoes?

[Anonymous No.14887471]

a buddy of mine moved to portugal and will not shut the fuck up about how garbage tomatoes are back here in north america as a result.

I like tomatoes so my plan is to never taste a good overseas one in case they get ruined for me forever.

[Anonymous No.14887481]

I mean newsflash, america doesnt have good SEA fruit commonly either and neither does europe. Fruits and veggies are seasonal. Eat what's seasonal in your local state from good farmers and yeah, its going to taste amazing.
I got some nice garlic, onion, peppers, and squash that was absolutely amazing from the hudson valley. Im not going to bitch that I cant get a fresh papaya whats the use arguing that.

[Anonymous No.14887487]

>>14887469
if you're making a sauce, there is absolutely no reason to use fresh
i live in hicksville where everyone has a tomato garden in their backyard
i grew up eating raw tomato slices with a little salt and pepper, i don't expect to change your mind, but just know you are going up against the baddest dude on 4chins

[Anonymous No.14887488]

>>14887439
This. Fuck Dutch produce.

[Anonymous No.14887490]

>vox

[Anonymous No.14887515]

Written by Josh Shekelstein Europemakesmecreaminmypantsbecauseitssoawesomeeventhoughiveneverbeenanywhereintheus.

[Anonymous No.14887522]

Anyone who has ever cited Vox as a reliable source of information should just go sit in the corner with a dunce cap

[Anonymous No.14887527]

>>14887339
>fresh fruit
I mostly like bananas and I like those over ripe anyways. Watermelons I can actually get fresh
>vegetables
I can get most the vegetables I want reasonably fresh. Tomatoes are rough, but you can get them from farmer's markets.
>meat
Basically only if you hunt / fish, or have a friend who owns a ranch. There is a place that flies fresh fish on Tuesdays and Thursdays, and is only open Tuesday - Friday but it's super pricy.

Just changes what I cook mostly. I make a lot of beans and use canned San Marzano tomatoes, etc, because it doesn't matter if those are fresh.

[Anonymous No.14887529]

>>14887441
100,000 contiguous acres of GMO soybean and starlink corn per capita doesn't equate to "good quality produce"

Civilized people eat actual plants where you can see that it came from a plant because you don't squeeze it out of a bag to mix with your "now with real meat byproducts" McBurger slime

Also, the fact that you were so assblasted by the truth that you snitched on me and got the mod to enforce your fly*ver inferiority complex says everything that needs to be said, enjoy struggling to control your gag reflex because the drive-thru accidentally put a raw vegetable on your burger, now snitch, snitch, snitch to the janny!

[Anonymous No.14887574]

>>14887471
You aren't missing much. It's the same as anything else. If you get them from a good source, you'll get good tomatoes. If you get them from Aldi's, or some other shit supermarket, they'll still be shitty.

[Anonymous No.14887591]

>>14887441
I live in SD and almost everything we produce gets shipped elsewhere. We don't see almost any of it fresh.

[Anonymous No.14887634]

>>14887591
South Dakota or San Diego? I'm assuming the first. Do you like it there?

[ᛋᛋ SCHUTZSTAFFEL ᛋᛋ !JuN.8Ir9OE No.14887776]

>>14887339
>AMERICA PRODUCE BAD!!!
>YUROP PRODUCE GOOD!!!
What an awful article. But bad journalism is to be expected from Vox. The cunt who wrote the article is a leaf, btw.

[Anonymous No.14887801]

>>14887776
One in six Americans fall ill every year from the food they eat (according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). In Britain, it is one in 28.

[Anonymous No.14887806]

>>14887339
I'm lucky enough to live in an area in the Midwest that has lots of fresh produce available from local sources during the summer. These are just as good as the produce I got in Europe. In the winter months I go to the grocery store and many things are not as good. However they are much cheaper.

So yeah I had better produce in europe than a typical american grocery store, but I was also in the fanciest neighborhood at a fairly expensive store. So it's fuckin dumb to try and compare the two.

[Anonymous No.14887821]

>>14887801
That's because we don't get 5 weeks paid vacation, and need to make up some shit that you can take off for that isn't contagious when you miraculously come back the next day or two.

[Anonymous No.14887839]

>>14887460
i dunno about you guys down there in the states, but in ontario we have shitty tomatoes in our grocery stores too but we also have farmers markets virtually everywhere and you can get really good tomatoes at the right time of year so its not really an issue

[Anonymous No.14887845]

>>14887471
Just grow your own. It is super easy and you'll have tomatoes as good as whatever your friend has. Fresh tomatoes really are much better than the old underripe ones you get from the store.

[Anonymous No.14887966]

>he doesn't grow his own produce

[Anonymous No.14889266]

>>14887362
Here's your answer.

The other thing is, depending on where you stay, the amount of sun makes a big difference.

Fresh fruit and veg in Spain will taste great because it got lots of sun at the right time and is picked at its ripest and so it's fresh. Also, it didn't have to travel thousands of miles to get to you. If you get a Valencian orange, in Valencia, it probably hasn't travelled much more than 50 miles. An orange from Florida travelling to Chicago is still 800miles, assuming it's even in season. That time is freshness lost.

I've noticed a difference eating tomatoes straight from the plant vs storing them for a day in the pantry.

Basically, if you eat local produce, in season, the flavour will be better.

>>14887451
You gotta look for a good box, and get them in season. To be honest, your best going to a farmer's market. It's not about class or price, you can get good ones cheap, but you got to have a good look at what you're buying. Also, strawberry variety makes a big difference.

[Anonymous No.14889277]

>>14887471
why do those tomatoes look like cherries?

[Anonymous No.14889278]

>>14887376
i accidently was in a vox clickhole today and holy shit was it bad

[Anonymous No.14889305]

>>14887339
I grow my own tomatoes every year, they are a little more flavorful than store bought. Nothing to write home about, not sure what this click bait is going on about.

[Anonymous No.14889434]

>>14889305
Depends a lot on varieties. Some homegrown tomatoes blow away even good market tomatoes. Had a variety this year that were way better than any I've had from markets, stores, were easily as good as tomatoes I've had from markets in France and Spain.

[Anonymous No.14889484]

>>14887339
america unironically has the worst food ever, even their mcdonalds is worse quality than UK mcdonalds. i could notice a distinct difference in quality even as a 10 year old or something.

[Anonymous No.14889511]

>>14887339
You guys should really stop falling for clickbait.

[Anonymous No.14889755]

I don't even like getting fruits from anywhere other than whole foods or sprouts. It's always so shitty and the employees don't care at King Soopers

[Anonymous No.14889820]

>>14887339
Preaching to American lefties about how great Europe is is a whole genre of American media, people eat that shit up, its all nonsense of course

[Anonymous No.14889857]

>>14889820
ironically it's the whiter parts of europe that they look up to as a model for their utopia

[Anonymous No.14889881]

Seeing a lot of cope from Americans here

>b-b-buh you just have to have your own fishmongererer

[Anonymous No.14889894]

>>14889857
Not really, eastern europe is hella white but it sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.14889920]

>>14889894
>but it sucks ass
it does?

[Anonymous No.14890062]

>>14887339
The farmers market is open all spring and summer. I grow a lot of my own veggies. Idk I have 0 issue with getting decent fresh vegetables during grow seasons

[Anonymous No.14890086]

>>14887339
Lying cunts, Florida has the best oranges

[Anonymous No.14890313]

>>14887339
I live in Texas. I went to stay in Nigeria for a week to hang out with an Army buddy, and there was no comparison. Africans have the best vegetables on the planet. They are completely untainted by GMO stuff, and are crazy delicious.
Was a vegetarian for a week though, as I was warned about any product that came from an animal.

[Anonymous No.14890330]

>>14887339
what the fuck are they even talking about? europe is the darkest, blandest, most starved-of-sunlight piece of land on this earth.

There are literally no good fruits in that wretched land, unless they take 5 years of storing the sun's meager energy to produce a tiny centimeter-wide morsel (like cloud/lingonberry shit).

picrel, native european produce

[Anonymous No.14890332]

>>14887339
I live in a farming state. I can get basically all standard ingredients in excellent quality, plus wild game besides.

[Anonymous No.14890353]

>>14890313
Yeah Id believe it , it be like that sometimes

[Anonymous No.14890401]

>>14887339
Spoken like a true chud

[Anonymous No.14890450]

>>14887339
I don't have a problem with fruits and vegetables in the US. I actually think the vegetable variety and availability to seasonal, local produce is pretty good where I live. I have traveled outside of the US to several countries. European countries have better bread, by far and I find the meat was better quality in many cases.

[Anonymous No.14890463]

>>14887419
I have had terrible luck finding any good fresh peaches outside the Southeast.

[Anonymous No.14890489]

>>14890450
I've been to europe and literally nothing is better quality there.

Better than flyover country sure, but definitely not better than coastal civilized areas. I get better milk, better fruit, better meat, and better fish than they have in europe. Best part is my food costs like 50% less too, ESPECIALLY beef.

Imagine paying $20 for a pound of ground beef. Europe is a meme.

[Anonymous No.14890569]

>>14887339
t. never had an Indiana watermelon

[Anonymous No.14890826]

>>14890463
We grow peaches here in jersey, pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.14890829]

I won't go to a farmers market because haggling discomforts me and I don't like dealing with cash and coins while touching produce. Very unsanitary.

[Anonymous No.14890847]

>>14890489
Our beef may be more but your cost of living is way higher
Imagine going to the emergency room and being charged thousands just for sitting in the lobby. That's of course alongside the thousands and thousands for a nurse to take your temperature and tell you to take an aspirin. Why do they live like that?

[Anonymous No.14890853]

>>14887339
>vox

[Anonymous No.14890862]

>>14890847
I’ve never been to an er, nobody in my family or friend group ever has. People who go to an er are idiots. Unless you are disemboweled it is a retard move just go to urgent care.

[Anonymous No.14890877]

I have my own garden so I don't have to deal with warehouse food that's been sprayed to ripen.

[Anonymous No.14890885]

>>14890847
>your cost of living is way higher
Not even debatable that you're wrong. Way wrong. Even assuming that your little ER story wasn't complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.14890893]

>>14890847
Literally everything here costs less except healthcare, and even then in my state you get free insurance. Flyovertown is shit yes

[Anonymous No.14890924]

>>14887821
This. I don’t think any of my sick days this year were real.

[Anonymous No.14890947]

>>14890862
Yes, in muttland
Over here we can do that whenever we want and get seen right away because we're not retarded

[Anonymous No.14890954]

Ive been to europe a few times but didnt pay much attention to the food but i mean it was the same shit really i dontt really grocery shop for vegetables thats for fags lmao but yeah what i did notice is yuros have way less food and their stores are way smaller like little shops so they are in no position to talk. and the food was the same if not inferior

but i mean im sure they have better vegetables, america is trash is many ways. the beer was on another level in europe even the craft stuff here is amateur hour

[Anonymous No.14890958]

>>14890847
Imagine not having a job with good health insurance.

[Anonymous No.14890962]

Example: tomatoes. I seek out only good tasting tomatoes. It's hard, and expensive. But I rather do it than not, because cheap tomatoes are basically just sacks of water. Why would you spend a penny on that?

[Anonymous No.14890971]

>>14890954
How can you even have an opinion on this when you dont even buy vegetables lol.
Im 20 mins from 4 farmers markets but also 20 mins from NYC, we get fine produce as long as you buy seasonally. Which would be something to do anywhere you live.

[Anonymous No.14890975]

>>14890958
Imagine thinking anyone working shouldn't receive basic rights
How can you claim to be the wealthiest nation when you can't afford healthcare to minimum wage workers, which is most of your citizens?

[Anonymous No.14890985]

>>14889277
yeah they're cherry tomatoes

[Anonymous No.14890986]

>>14890975
I feel like people who are employed are more outspoken, and therefore, overrepresented. We are in great depression 2, electric boogaloo, and the authorities only seek to play that down.

[Anonymous No.14890989]

>>14890971
Bc Idc about vegetables so i am unbiased

[Anonymous No.14890996]

>>14890985
imagine only being able to taste the flavor of what a tomato should taste like in microscopic tomato sacs the size of a tomato cell

[Anonymous No.14891001]

>>14890996
no dice

[Anonymous No.14891007]

My aunt grows ginormous tomatoes in her garden. They are the most tomatoiest tomatoes that I have ever tasted.

[Anonymous No.14891009]

>>14890989
so basically leave /ck/

[Anonymous No.14891026]

>>14890989

[Anonymous No.14891027]

>>14891007
as her snatch is to snatch, bless the woman

[Anonymous No.14891029]

>>14891009
No. Tomatoes are disgusting btw like who eats that shit. Like eating a ball of blood. Unless its just american farming

[Anonymous No.14891034]

>>14890975
I don’t think those things. I also have a great job with great health insurance.

[Anonymous No.14891040]

Besides eggs I never thought anything in Europe tasted better. Plus it was all mad fucking expensive. Bananas here are like $0.60 a pound, when I lived in Malmo it was like 20 krona a pound (over $2 for my fellow Americans)

[Anonymous No.14891076]

>>14887339
>Vox
Are Europeans so stupid they believe Vox articles verbatim?

[Anonymous No.14891094]

>>14891076
What's wrong with Vox?

[Anonymous No.14891138]

>>14887339
Produce here is generally just ok. Produce in the UK was about the same, nothing stood out as better or worse.

Produce in Turkey was phenomenal. It's impossible to describe to someone who hasn't had access to it but it's worlds above what we have access to in grocery stores stateside.

[Anonymous No.14891139]

>>14891094
It's not a conservative echo chamber so it's bad.

[Anonymous No.14892122]

>>14887339
Israel has the best cucumbers, tomatoes, and eggplants.

[Anonymous No.14892475]

>>14889881
They have to cope, they have to pretend its just the jewish journalists, the European shitposters, and that the possibility of having a fishmonger makes up for it all. Americans have nothing else, I feel sorry for them. Just imagine being born into a country that from day one pretends, that you are important and free and that your choice matters...and then you grow up and you find out that literally every facet of your entire existence is and always has been under the control of gigantic trillion dollar corporations and monopolies from the bottom to the top. You are forced to eat pesticides even in your mothers womb, which in turn gave you various diseases and abnormalities, which your insane parents then blame on the measles vaccine you had when you were 5. Your honey is cut with -or entirely subsituted for - high fructose corn syrup (this is legitimately true, look it up) because your food and produce association has been deliberately crippled by republican politicians who had direct conflict of interests once they came into power: Make myself richer or the people around me less sane, less healthy and more sick, and also poorer?
The matter of fact is, the Democrats sell your skin as well, you are nothing to your leaders, your life is only of importance as long as you participate in the cubicle office culture, are stuck in the consumer and debt cycle and pay off the 3 mortgages on your house so that you do not have to sleep in your own car, which also is illegal in the US. But hey, at least you can buy a gun and get shot by the police force when they knock on your (car)door and you instinctively believe you are an in danger, only to realise to your sheer horror that Sergeant Doofus felt an itch to act like Judge Dredd...again. But hey, you made it to 36 years, much better than a lot of others did. If only you could have asked for one last meal before your execution: a large Coke and a Domino's Pizza, and Marinara sauce for the mandatory breadsticks.

[Anonymous No.14892481]

>>14891139
Oh, right, I forgot.

[Anonymous No.14892483]

>>14892122
stolen from Palestinians.

[Anonymous No.14892513]

>>14887801
thats because they cant cook for shit and stuff their face with tons of soda and over processed crap not because the quality of groceries is lacking.

[Anonymous No.14892531]

Why do people who hate America do stuff like this?

[Anonymous No.14892545]

>>14891094
A few things

1 It's a thinly veiled corporate propaganda machine. While in the style of genuine journalism it never reports anything that can hurt its parent company or its partners.

2 It is replacing genuine journalism. It mirrors the style of independent companies like Vice, and is replacing them, but doesn't provide the independent unbiased view it pretends to and shows a pro corperate view. Its moving into online spaces like youtube, that traditionally allowed low budget free voices to succeed, and pushing them out with a multi million dollar budget.

3. It is part of a monopalistic partnership of media interests. Ownd by CNBC, and in turn owns polygon,the verg, eater, epic magazine, sb nation and more. How can it be good for one commercial interest to own all the media?

Its not about LEFT BAD, RIGHT GOOD. The same is happening on both ends of the political spectrum and the mindless leftwing/rightwing mornic "debate" is a distraction. Its about freedom of the press.

[Anonymous No.14892547]

>>14890954
This post is extremely low quality.

[Anonymous No.14892567]

>>14892545
I am quite certain that the problem for most of the posters on this website is that it does not reaffirm their "beliefs" in american and "white" (only americans think in these terms) superiority.

[Anonymous No.14892579]

>>14892567
how dare you reply with this shallow brainlet nonsense to that well informed and detailed post. you don't even deserve to address that anon. fuck you. i hate people like you.

[Anonymous No.14892583]

>>14892567
then vox has succeeded in diverting any legitimate critisim of its corporate bias into a racially charged yelling match.

>hey vox why don't you seem to report comcasts heavy lobying of anti net neutrality?
oh we're just too buisy being anti racist
>nothing to do with 200mil 'investmet' from comcast?
What? you just don't like us because we're not pro white power, you must be a white power nazi

[Anonymous No.14892638]

>>14892579
Are you going to get mad now?

[Anonymous No.14892659]

>>14892638
what do you mean going to? i'm already mad, couldn't you tell

[Anonymous No.14892668]

>>14892583
case in point

>>14892545
started as critisim of vox's corperate bias

>>14892579
>>14892638
quickly turns to typical shit fight.

Who benifits from this? Vox, or more aptly, their corporate partners.

[Anonymous No.14892759]

>>14892483
Impossible to steal from that which doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.14892790]

>>14890489
>$20 for a pound of ground beef
literally fake it goes from 8 to 13€ per kilogram depending on quality

[Anonymous No.14892831]

>>14892567
nah you're just a retarded mutt

an hero

[Anonymous No.14892857]

>>14890958
>Imagine having a job

[Anonymous No.14892878]

>>14887339
unless you live in a place that actually grow their vegetables and fruits, european ones are absolutely terrible. shit is cultivated in spain for pennies, they use varieties that grow super fast but are mostly water. they chose them for their color and they also must be solid to handle the transporation, then they are picked half ripe and put immediately in the cold to be sent everywhere. This ensures nothing has taste anymore. Tomatoes are especially garbage, it's like half of them are crunchy like apples, and the other are a gooey white mush with a lot of shit tasting green veins inside.

[Anonymous No.14892930]

>>14892790
Well considering there are over 2kg in a pound, the math adds up to $20/pound.

[Anonymous No.14892942]

>>14892930
>american educamation
stop posting here

[Anonymous No.14892959]

>>14887419
canned tomatoes being better than fresh should be a tremendous hint m8

>>14887362
>>14887405
these points seem legit, I'd say northern american food is on average lower quality because the standards of production are overall lower but there must be some truly great quality food there

[Anonymous No.14892985]

>>14892942
There's 2.2kg in a pound, so 8*2.2=17.6 and 13*2.2=28.6, so the math adds up since $20/pound is in the interval (17.6, 28.6).
Math is objective, and thus does not lie!

[Anonymous No.14893001]

>>14892985
Ok I'll take the bait
Your math is dead wrong
Depending on where you're from (dumb ass imperial system) you'll need a bit more than 2 pounds to equate to a kilogram and not the other way around
Now re-do your math

[Anonymous No.14893003]

>>14890489
>muh price
you are lying to other USAns, because like most of them, you forget to mention euro prices are with taxes, while yours isn't.

[Anonymous No.14893006]

>>14892985
there's 2.2 pounds in a kilogram you dumbass, not the other way around

[Anonymous No.14893046]

>>14892959
>there must be some truly great quality food there
so what you're saying is that you don't know but you'll comment with your opinion anyways

[Anonymous No.14893088]

after going to france, i agree with the headline. i think it's because of all the fucking climate change policies they got going on, but the fruits and greens tasted a lot better over there, i barely gained weight after eating a big meal, too. maybe something with the preservatives in the US or something idk

[Anonymous No.14893135]

>>14893088
- less processed food or at least better access to it
- better access to small agricultural productions, every bumfuck town has a farmer's market. Where I live there are 5-6 organic producers, they're not cheap but they're not rich either, they just get at least a somewhat decent revenue.
Even when not organic, because the label in itself is expensive, you get access to very good produces with little to no shitty chemicals in it
- every region grows what the climate allows them to do, there are greenhouses of course but it's not Netherlands tier.
- easy to get local food that's harvested when it's ripe and doesn't ripen in a fucking truck
- Big Agri is here too but it has never eradicated the smaller producers so I guess no loss of knowledge
- And to finish better food culture that make people know what's good for them.

[Anonymous No.14893233]

>>14890975
>Imagine thinking anyone working shouldn't receive basic rights
they shouldn't, if your job sucks then you suck
sucks to suck faggot. PS give more ukrainian hookers

[Anonymous No.14893337]

>>14893046
I know little but I know the first guy was wrong af

[Anonymous No.14893349]

>>14887339
>vox

[Anonymous No.14893445]

>>14893233
typical burgerite answer, amazing to see how those who are constantly vilified and smothered by the system (the poor) keep finding virtue in those who profit of it (the rich).
Truly a most remarkable mindset.
Do you happen to have posters of the Koch brothers in your bedroom?

[Anonymous No.14893545]

>>14890489
>$20 for a pound of ground beef
fake. 1/2 kilo (around 1 pound) costs me 5€.

[Anonymous No.14893557]

>>14893233
How can somebody see the nice woman working the register at a store, and think "fucking low life piece of shit you don't deserve healthcare"
Who the fuck is supposed to do that job then? They're doing harder work than some pencil pusher at an office for a company that imports chinese garbage to sell to your kids, and yet she gets less than he does.

[Anonymous No.14893561]

>>14893545
I said europe, you guys left europe

[Anonymous No.14893568]

>>14893557
>How can somebody see the nice woman working the register at a store, and think "fucking low life piece of shit you don't deserve healthcare"
>Who the fuck is supposed to do that job then? They're doing harder work than some pencil pusher at an office for a company that imports chinese garbage to sell to your kids, and yet she gets less than he does.
>>>/leftypol/

[Anonymous No.14893570]

>>14893561
you are really fucking retarded
>inb4 I was only pretending!!!!

[Anonymous No.14893593]

>>14893568
?
Do you not see the issue with being the wealthiest nation on Earth and failing to provide basic needs to many of your citizens?
Especially healthcare. Healthcare is an important thing to ensure because you end up spending a lot more down the road when someone's avoided doctors and medicine out of not having money and their problems gotten to the point they need a lot more than a pill. Or maybe someone gets sick with a virus and instead of taking a few days off they can't afford to do that so they come in sick and get YOU sick. Do you see why it's important to give a shit about things like this yet? It DOES negatively affect you and everyone else when you refuse people basic needs.

[Anonymous No.14893616]

>>14892985
You just proved your own point wrong you illiterate moron.

[Anonymous No.14893621]

>>14893593
Conservatives can only think in terms of wickedness, sin, punishment, cheaters, devoutness, apostasy, etc. They cannot analyze a problem in terms of results, outcomes, trade offs, variables, etc. This is because they believe reality to be an expression of a frontier Christianity, everything boils down to sides, heaven vs hell, the thin blue line, obedience and order. Inputs and outputs are binary. Everything is very simple and the arrogant collegecucks are just trying to trick us with their big words. Everything I need to know is in the Bible, which I haven’t read but in my GUT (which is quite ample btw) I FEEL it to be true.

[Anonymous No.14893623]

>>14893593
>Do you not see the issue with being the wealthiest nation on Earth and failing to provide basic needs to many of your citizens?
No, not until we fix our immigration. Tell all immigrants to fuck off, brutally enforce it (automated machine guns at both the southern and northern border, allow the coast guard to sink ships entering maritime boarders while not assisting those onboard, massive deportations, etc.). Then we can start to fix our problems.

[Anonymous No.14893626]

>>14893561
How does a country leave a continent?

[Anonymous No.14893629]

>>14893621
>frontier xtianity
I am not a xtian. Don't lump me in with those whackjobs.

[Anonymous No.14893634]

>>14893629
Doesn’t matter what you identify as, your ideology speaks for itself

[Anonymous No.14893638]

>>14893623
You seriously think they'd go out of their way to get immigration flowing towards the USA, only to then try getting rid of them?

[Anonymous No.14893656]

>>14893638
No, but it doesn't mean that we need to be the world's garbage bin of unwanted/not worthwhile humans. America First!

[Anonymous No.14893664]

>>14893656
>garbage bin
Flyover country is more like a garbage mountain. Glass it and repopulate it with hard working immigrants

[Anonymous No.14893666]

>>14893656
And I'm telling you: it's not gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.14893681]

>>14893666
>And I'm telling you: it's not gonna happen.
Whatever you say HaSatan, but I have a dream!

[Anonymous No.14893706]

>>14893623
immigrants pay taxes though, and work the jobs nobody wants to do for those low wages and flexibility their bosses love so much

[Anonymous No.14893747]

>>14893706
>work the jobs nobody wants to do for those low wages
>for those low wages
better start offering more wages and then you won't need to hire foreigners

[Anonymous No.14893766]

>>14893747
ever worked in the fields? the earth is low man

[Anonymous No.14893773]

>>14893766
pay more and it won't be a problem! basic economics.

[Anonymous No.14893782]

>>14893773
alright pay more and give healthcare

[Anonymous No.14893789]

>>14893782
>alright pay more
no problem
>give healthcare
see >>14893623
Agree?

[Anonymous No.14893797]

>>14893623
>I'm going to let my country burn to the ground because I refuse to think about any issue except one that both parties refuse to improve
Typical mutt

[Anonymous No.14893906]

>>14893621
Nicely put anon. Altough there is a clear distinction between the Republican Elite which literally only cares about making more money and keeping it, and the typical conservative.

[Anonymous No.14894016]

>>14893621
amazing really, that in your head, you live in a world where fully half of your countrymen are heartless stupid fat evil monsters. (who see everything in very simplistic terms, unlike you) it can't be good for your mental state.

[Anonymous No.14894051]

>>14894016
Significantly less than half, but as one of your people once said, if voter suppression and gerrymandering were illegal, the GOP would never get anyone elected ever again

[Anonymous No.14894088]

>>14894051
please anon, i'm not american. it's actually embarrassing how partisan you are, right down to memorizing little retarded quotes some retarded politician said so you can post them at people online. please at least tell me you're some boomer. i'd hate to think a young person is this pathetically bought into basic bitch american political theater.

[Anonymous No.14894227]

>>14887439
I once bought some dutch strawberries once (domestic ones are available only in the summer) and holy fuck were they disgusting. strawberries should be juicy and sweet, these were sour and gross. never again.

[Anonymous No.14894365]

>>14887529
you've watched too many youtube "documentaries", maybe take a break from them

[Anonymous No.14894374]

>>14894088
>I’m not American, I’m just wrapped up in petty USA partisan bickering that I’m hoping you’ll think I have no personal stake in
A likely story

[Anonymous No.14894670]

>>14893789
nope don't see what immigration has to do here

[Anonymous No.14894931]

>>14890489
>Imagine paying $20 for a pound of ground beef.
I have to resort to imagination because it costs nothing like that, self-deception is a powerful drug for coping