/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.14645792]

What did humans eat for the hundreds of thousands of years before civilization?

[Anonymous No.14645804]

>>14645792
Whatever they could, and according the paleo dieters a shit ton of bacon

[Anonymous No.14645817]

>>14645804
What else would there be? I mean if you go out into the foods there's pretty much nothing to eat. Potatoes, vegetables and fruits don't exactly grow naturally.

[Anonymous No.14645823]

>>14645817
into the woods*

[Anonymous No.14645826]

Starches, vegetables, fruit, and whatever foliage was abundant. In harsh conditions they would sometimes hunt, but this was usually not the case.
After agriculture became known tens of thousands of years ago humans mostly ate starches. It's the reason the human brain grew to the size it did and why Neanderthals died off.

[Anonymous No.14645828]

>>14645792

Your mom

[Anonymous No.14645832]

>>14645792
Ur mom's nasty snatch

[Anonymous No.14645833]

>>14645828

[Anonymous No.14645835]

>>14645826
This sounds like a bunch of bullshit unless you have evidence to prove it

[Anonymous No.14645836]

>>14645792
They hunted and gathered, niggaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.14645846]

>>14645836
Gathered what exactly? Berries and mushrooms have almost no calories.

[Anonymous No.14645854]

>>14645835
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-starchy-foods-humans-evolutionary-advantage.html

>evidence that anatomically modern humans were roasting and eating plant starches, such as those from tubers and rhizomes, as early as 120,000 years ago.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190517115142.htm

[Anonymous No.14645859]

>>14645817
>Potatoes, vegetables and fruits don't exactly grow naturally.
you can't possibly be this retarded. Do you know what monkeys eat?

[Anonymous No.14645869]

>>14645846
Early humans were like 4ft tall and very different from current humans. They only needed around 900 calories per day.

[Anonymous No.14645874]

>>14645792
so much good shit that we are out-priced from today.

[Anonymous No.14645877]

>>14645859
These monkeys live in a few areas of Africa but humans left these areas hundreds of thousands of years ago

[Anonymous No.14645881]

>>14645854
>In harsh conditions they would sometimes hunt, but this was usually not the case.

Do you have evidence for this statement? The first link provides no evidence and only asks a question for a title which is pretty weird. The second link only proves humans did eat some starches but it doesn't say if it was the majority of their diet.

[Anonymous No.14645888]

>>14645846
Smegma. They used to sneak into rival neanderthal caves and scraped it off their dicks as they slept. If they were feeling extra hungry they scooped yeast curds outta the neanderbroads. Was a different time back then.

[Anonymous No.14645927]

I'm just amazed why there's little to no interest in this topic. Everyone just seem to use it for their political agenda.

[Anonymous No.14645964]

paleo diet. full stop.

[Anonymous No.14646026]

Anything they could gather or hunt. Humans, over distance have evolved to outrun any animal because our early main mode of hunting was to wound an animal and then gently follow it as it lost its energy and was easier to kill. They speared fish, the earliest fishhooks were also over 15,000 years old.

Then obviously once they stopped being a hunter gatherer society, they established farming and irrigation, as well as primitive fish farming which began about 6,000 years ago as well as the capture and breeding of wild animals.

[Anonymous No.14646027]

>>14645826
why wouldn't they hunt? look at north america
they had millions upon millions of bison running around, it was probably mostly the same everywhere before agriculture
you probably didn't have to go very far to find a wild animal so why wouldn't they hunt them for meat and dig around in the dirt for tubers instead(which they probably did to some degree)? in OP's picture every single person is wearing clothes made from animal skin apparently
>Ötzi wore a cloak made of woven grass[34] and a coat, a belt, a pair of leggings, a loincloth and shoes, all made of leather of different skins
does that sound like someone who didn't hunt?

[Anonymous No.14646041]

>>14645817
>Potatoes, vegetables and fruits don't exactly grow naturally.
oh, to be this American education

[Anonymous No.14646048]

>>14646027
Ötzi lived thousands of years after agriculture and the domestication of the cow. At least do a cursory Wikipedia search before you spew dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.14646051]

>>14645964
youre a dumb fag. full go.

[Anonymous No.14646054]

>>14645792
Vegetables and soy beans.

[Anonymous No.14646058]

This will make both the vegans and the Atkinsfaggots seethe.

[Anonymous No.14646064]

>>14646048
>Ötzi's teeth showed considerable internal deterioration from cavities. These oral pathologies may have been brought about by his grain-heavy, high carbohydrate diet.[24]

Literally the first I saw in the article about Ötzi. Literally can't make it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi

[Anonymous No.14646078]

>>14646064
>who lived between 3400 and 3100 BCE
It's right there. Does being American mean having your eyeballs scalped out at birth along with the top end of your penis?

Do you think the Bronze Age was peak hunter-gatherer? Do you understand what a year is, anon?

[Anonymous No.14646080]

>>14645792
Wood. >>14645826
No they ate wood.

[Anonymous No.14646084]

>>14646078
I'm not the same person, I just thought it was funny.

[Anonymous No.14646096]

>>14646048
and native americans didn't hunt bison?
their teepees were made from animal skins and the nomadic tribes at least didn't have a lot of agriculture
one of the theories why mammoths and other megafauna went extinct was because humans hunted them to exinction and it has statistical data to support it
>>14646041
potatoes are native to the americas
didn't grow anywhere else until the 16th century

[Anonymous No.14646109]

>>14646096
And you wouldn't be able to survive on fruits and vegetables in most areas of the world. So this whole "They just picked an apple from a tree and a potato out of the ground" doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.14646113]

>>14646048
>they were constructed using bearskin for the soles, deer hide for the top panels

[Anonymous No.14646118]

>>14646078
>Does being American
rent free

[Anonymous No.14646119]

>>14646113
They obviously only used the skins and threw away the meat and then went home to drink soymilk and gossip

[Anonymous No.14646127]

>>14646051
yes go on, tell me how paleolithic era people didn't eat a paleolithic era diet.

[Anonymous No.14646138]

>>14646058
can you explain to me what's going on here?

[Anonymous No.14646139]

>>14646118
>I don't think about you at all
>so much so I put the effort into making this macro about you
Americans are fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.14646145]

okay so where did hunter gatherer get their carbs fiber and starch intake from?

[Anonymous No.14646147]

>>14646139
when more than half the threads have ESLs shitting on americans this image is pretty handy

[Anonymous No.14646152]

>>14646147
Yes, Cletus, everyone who calls you a moron is an ESL student. Keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous No.14646160]

>>14646152
i wasnt him so i dont really know wtf you're talking about

[Anonymous No.14646573]

>>14645826
if i feed my pet potatoes will he finally start talking to me?

[Anonymous No.14646824]

>>14645817
>Potatoes, vegetables and fruits don't exactly grow naturally.

[Anonymous No.14646967]

Out of the way plebes, MA in archaeology coming through. The real, probably disappointing and unsatisfactory, answer is that it was super fucking varied. Getting food for the day has always been a central aspect of the human condition, but it has taken such a wide variety of expressions that trying Ng to generalize them all is honestly pretty pointless. Go look up kitchen middens to f you want the see what an impact feeding parterna have had om the environment for a hell of a long time

[Anonymous No.14646984]

It depends where they lived. On the coast they ate seafood and shellfish. In the tropics fruits and starches. I Europe they hunted mostly. Just look at the diets of tribal people now. They range from almso meat based to largely starch based depending what's there. We are nature's trash can.

[Anonymous No.14647001]

>>14645792
Cage-free, genetically untouched, hormone-free, glutenless, biosafe, carbon-neutral impossible burgers.

[Anonymous No.14647357]

>>14645817
>the woods
This pissed me off more than your other retarded statement. Do you seriously think the geography of the entire planet is identical to the shitty backwoods of your midwestern dump? Even if that were the case, you probably live very near plains, mountains, valleys etc, are you braindead?
Even in forests you can find edible shrooms, berries, and plenty of game. Jesus Christ nigga go outside

[Anonymous No.14647493]

anything with calories

animals fish shellfish fruit seeds nuts eggs tender greens and other humans

[Anonymous No.14647503]

Depends greatly on their location also what era are you talking about? Paleolithic? Neolithic?

[Anonymous No.14647569]

>>14647493
Homo spaiens didn't engage in cannabilism the same way denisovians did, neither did neanderthalls for that matter, we did eat the latter though when we weren't trying to fuck them

[Anonymous No.14647582]

>>14646041
You realize modern fruits and veggies have been bred to have as much edible mass as possible while reducing the reproductive capabilities of the plant? Bananas didnt look or taste the way they do 500 years ago, nor did potates tomates etc.

[Anonymous No.14647595]

>>14647582
>it's different to what we have now so clearly it must not be a banana or a potato
This is what happens when you try to justify American education moments. Imagine arguing wolves never existed because we have dogs now. This is what you sound like. I want you to reconsider your life and your life choices.

[Anonymous No.14647607]

>>14645792
I guess it depends on where they lived but I imagine the stoneage folks around my part of the world, which is now Scandinavia, ate a lot of mussels. You can just walk down to the coast and scoop them up.

[Anonymous No.14647608]

>>14647595
No I was arguing that a neolithic potato is a whole lot different that a modern one in nutritional quality, size, and life cycle most likely. My bad for not reading the stupid post that started this all.

[Anonymous No.14647622]

>>14647595
It's a common misconception that modern dogs are descendants of domesticated wolves

[Anonymous No.14647636]

>>14645888
Kek

[Anonymous No.14647668]

>>14645817
wow so ancient aliens gave us potatoes, vegetables and fruits too.

[Anonymous No.14647721]

>>14645823
god i hate that musical

[Anonymous No.14648705]

>>14645846
A bunch of shit that has since been domesticated and a bunch of shit that has largely been forgotten. There are a ton of edible tubers, fruits, and vegetables that are no longer eaten because nobody bothered to domesticate them or they were too difficult to domesticate and a lot of nutrient-rich gathered foods that have been domesticated or are still gathered but aren't part of the Western diet.
People were also much smaller then and required fewer nutrients, and they didn't exactly live long (before any of you faggots say 'well akshually child mortality' etc., they really didn't tend to live long and cultures with an average age of death of even 40 were rare).

[Anonymous No.14648748]

animal products
foraged plants, fungi, etc

[Anonymous No.14648760]

>>14645877
Uhh. Monkeys live in a lot of places

[Anonymous No.14648867]

>>14648705
>Muh people died young
Not true, this is only true to the dark ages when plagues ran rampant n europe, the age expenctancy has remained the same more or less through recent history, rome, greece ancient egypt even the old testament has 90 year old people hanging arouns

[Anonymous No.14648905]

foraged plants mostly
small game was caught with traps
large game when the migrations came around and they could trap a few in a ravine
fish in coastal areas

[Anonymous No.14649006]

>>14647622
Elaborate.
>>14648867
We're talking about paleolithic peoples retard.

[Anonymous No.14649021]

>>14645828
>mom
It's MUM

[Anonymous No.14649164]

There are plenty of root vegetables, edible mushrooms, fruit and wild grains native to Europe and North America, if you see Queen Anne's lace flowers everywhere like me that is wild carrot.

[Anonymous No.14649170]

berries, nuts/seeds, eggs from various animals, foraged greens and very occasionally meat and fish

[Anonymous No.14649171]

>>14649164
Hell you can even grind up acorns and make cakes of them

[Anonymous No.14649179]

>>14649170
humans used to eat a lot like bears, swine, and primates, who are our closest relatives.
making the most out of what is energy dense and most available

[Anonymous No.14649344]

>>14649179
>>14649170
I'm sure it varies by region, time period, etc. but how frequently did pre-agriculture people in general eat meat? It seems to have been rare in the diets of the non-wealthy in post-agriculture but relatively abundant in hunter-gatherer societies.

[Anonymous No.14649364]

>>14645854
>Evidence that they ate starch is evidence that they usually didn't hunt for meat, and that eating said starches helped humans develop their brains.
You're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.14649529]

>>14645792
Almost exclusively fish and meat. Anyone who tells you hunter gatherers got their calories from wild carrots is trying to sell you vegan propaganda.

[Anonymous No.14649648]

>>14645792
Before civilization, humans were hunter gatherers. We ate whatever we found and/or killed.

[Anonymous No.14649662]

>>14646138
Basically although paleoarchaeologists discovered more species of animals and plants which humans before agriculture ate, the majority of calories always came from carbs.

[Anonymous No.14649663]

>>14645826
Not outside of the tropics they did.

[Anonymous No.14649670]

>>14649006
Average life expectancy was low because of high infant and child mortality. Those that survived into adulthood often lived well into their 60's.

[Anonymous No.14650326]

>>14649670
This is one of those 'facts' that people repeat to demonstrate that they know something but is actually a total oversimplification that's easy for people to repeat to feel smart. The studies about how long humans lived are done on existing isolated hunter-gatherer societies, but archaeological evidence suggests that fewer people made it to older adulthood and that life expectancies were lower in archaic ones, see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029716/

It also varies by site and time. For example, in some proto-cities adult women rarely lived past around 25 and men rarely past around 35.

[Anonymous No.14650656]

>>14645792
berries. nuts. meat. shrooms. eggs. all shit that's good for you. these niggas were healfy.

[Anonymous No.14651614]

>>14645792
meat, acorns, wild plants/greens

[Anonymous No.14652961]

>>14650656
>healfy
>get an inch deep laceration on chest from hunting
>die from bacterial infection, bleeding out
>or now has a disability from a broken organ, then die because you are weak.
Yeah they had mooscles and energy, but they be dying to rocks, nigga.

[Anonymous No.14653230]

>>14645792

Papa Johns pizza bagels!

[Anonymous No.14653274]

>>14652961
Humans, even the doughy ones of today, are pretty resilient, anon. You don't need antibiotics for every little cut. Not all wounds get infected and even the ones that do will very often clear up by themselves.
Of course some injuries did kill or maim, just like the still do, but I think you underestimate what your body can actually handle, even factoring in tetanus and the like.
As for dying because "you are weak" you do know that humans are pack animals, right? We take care of our own. That's why we can have children that are absolutely useless for YEARS after birth.
If you made it through the first of those years your chances of a proper full life were pretty decent.

[Anonymous No.14653318]

>>14647595
>Imagine arguing wolves never existed because we have dogs now.
Actually, in this analogy, he would be arguing dogs didn't exist because wolves are different.
Do you think that is a false statement?

[Anonymous No.14653391]

>>14649006
There are various wild dog species that are not wolves.

[Anonymous No.14653395]

>>14645881
Early humans lived in harmony with nature and preferred not to kill their fellow creatures.