/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.14560823]

This guy says that basically all chronic modern disease is caused predominantly by plant oils, specifically seed oils with high omega 6. He recommends animal fats like butter or coconut oil to be used instead. He did mouse studies and the mice fed animal fat lived three times as long and were less obese than the ones fed refined vegetable oil, at the same amount of calories in each group.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM [Open]

Vegans on the other hand say that animal fats and animal products are unnatural in the diet and site multiple studies that show long life span and low levels of chronic disease being prevalent in communities with mostly plant based diets.

I don't know who to believe /ck/

[Anonymous No.14560837]

>>14560823
I don't either. It keeps me up at night.

[Anonymous No.14560850]

>>14560823
I know /fit/ dropped it's "health" moniker years ago, but /ck/ is the angry alcoholic line cook fast food board. We may know more about nutrition than any other board, but we're also an adult board, and don't traffic in conspiracy shit.

[Anonymous No.14560852]

>>14560823
>I don't know who to believe /ck/
How should you? 10 scientists, 11 opinions, as they say.

[Anonymous No.14560855]

>>14560823
Since when are coconuts animals?

[Anonymous No.14560861]

>>14560855
It's not a seed oil

[Anonymous No.14560863]

Hmm lets see whats healthier -

man made toxic industrial waste product "oil" that used to be used to lube farm machinery, and only appeared as a food product in the last few hundred years, and is completely devoid of nutrition other than omega 6 "fat" (i.e. plant oils)

or

saturated animal fat, prized in nature for it's rarity, caloric content, and presence of fat soluble vitamins and minerals. has been consumed for millions of years

NO NO GOY DONT EAT BUTTER LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS CONSUME HYDROGENATED SOYBEAN OIL FOR YOUR HEALTH*

*this statement is paid for by monsanto

[Anonymous No.14560876]

>>14560823
Will help you. When did you last see a fat vegan? You rarely do. They are usually very lean for whatever reason. The ones that aren’t are typically extremely unhealthy

[Anonymous No.14560887]

sneed oil

[Anonymous No.14560906]

>>14560855
>>14560861
But there's also evidence that saturated fats cause similar issues. Ideally you want unsaturated fats with a low omega6:omega3 ratio like canola or hemp oil.

Coconut oil has similar composition to palm oil, and you all know the garbage food that's put in.

[Anonymous No.14560914]

>>14560861
It is though.

[Anonymous No.14560938]

>>14560823
>This guy says that basically all chronic modern disease is caused predominantly by plant oils, specifically seed oils with high omega 6. He recommends animal fats like butter or coconut oil to be used instead.
chronic modern disease is caused predominantly by fat, either plant or animal.

[Anonymous No.14560942]

>>14560863
>*this statement is paid for by monsanto
company is no more.

[Anonymous No.14560947]

>>14560823
>I don't know who to believe /ck/
Just have a well balanced diet.

Simple as

[Anonymous No.14560963]

>>14560938
>t. 1000 bc priest

[Anonymous No.14560966]

>>14560938
>modern disease is caused by ancient foods
makes sense to me

[Anonymous No.14560977]

>>14560823
>He recommends animal fats like butter or coconut oil

[Anonymous No.14561028]

>>14560823
>He did mouse studies
OK

[Anonymous No.14561182]

>>14560823
yeah im sure he knows how much oil the mice drank. he never slept huh? The mice used tiny cups?

[Anonymous No.14561214]

>>14560850
>/ck/ is the angry alcoholic line cook fast food board
This should be the new header.

[Anonymous No.14561218]

>>14560855
They have hair, fat, and milk, what else would they be?

[Anonymous No.14561231]

can i get a quick rundown on this guy?

[Anonymous No.14561601]

>>14560823
Take the lardpill.

[Anonymous No.14561607]

>>14560823
>All modern chronic diseases are monocausal.
"No"

[Anonymous No.14563188]

>>14560861
But a coconut is just a big seed dude...

[Anonymous No.14563191]

>>14560861
American education, everyone.

[Anonymous No.14563234]

>>14560823
i think the best explanation i heard was that, for hundreds of thousands of years we lived uncivilized, and our immune systems developed themselves to harsh conditions. as we've improved our living conditions/eating standards, our immune systems haven't yet adapted and so we have a lot of autoimmune disorders and diseases caused by our overactive systems.
there are very few cases of autoimmune disorders (some arthritis, allergies, etc) in undeveloped places.
also somewhat relevant (in my eyes) is the change in general eating habits on a general scale. for example, having three meals a day, having generally less exercise, and other fairly modern changes.

[Anonymous No.14563236]

>>14560823
All the vegans in great shape eat a high carb low fat diet.

[Anonymous No.14563245]

>>14563191
>American education, everyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut#Fruit
>Botanically, the coconut fruit is a drupe, not a true nut. Like other fruits...
America-obsessed autists, everyone.

[Anonymous No.14563841]

>>14560823
Don't worry about it, you're gonna die in a car accident

[Anonymous No.14563978]

>>14560823
>Vegans on the other hand say that animal fats and animal products are unnatural in the diet and site multiple studies that show long life span and low levels of chronic disease being prevalent in communities with mostly plant based diets.
If vegans fry less shit in oil then the two view points are reconciled.

[Anonymous No.14564148]

>>14560823
i dont really give a fuck. i'll use what's convenient to me and what i can trust intuitively. let me die if it kills me

[Anonymous No.14564165]

Seed oils are bad
Gums are bad
Iron overload is bad
Muscle meats are bad
Legumes are bad
Undercooked vegetables are bad
Starch is bad
Phosphate is bad
Soluble Fiber is bad
Wheat is bad

[Anonymous No.14564207]

>>14560823
>chronic modern disease is caused predominantly by plant oils
This is a ridiculous claim, chronic modern disease is caused by a range of things and can't be put down to a single factor. Also Vegans are mostly insane.

Animal fats have been overly villified, but you shouldn't totally discount vegetable fats either, although you should be careful of both. Extra virgin olive oil is the best vegetable oil you can get, if you look in to it you can find more information on most if not all of them
>Chronic disease
Our biggest issue is our general lack of exercise. On top of that, we're sleep deprived.
Excess carbs are bad, trans fats are bad. Thats without going in to environmental issues.

[Anonymous No.14564350]

>>14564207

i agree, excess carbs are the cause of obesity and diabetes, which in turn produces the plethora of complications like heart and vascular diseases

second is lack of exercise

plant oils typically means vegetable oils such as the blend from various seeds and grains, your typical "vegetable oil" or canola oils and margarine are not nutritious

olive, coconut and avocado are healthy oils that have real nutritional value, i use olive and coconut oil almost on a daily basis

[Anonymous No.14564356]

>>14563236
>vegans in great shape

[Anonymous No.14564365]

>>14560823
He's wrong. It's sugar. It was always sugar.

[Anonymous No.14564374]

>>14564365

a bowl of "healthy cereal" raises blood sugar higher than pure sugar

i won't disagree that sugar is a huge problem, but carbs are the root

[Anonymous No.14564393]

>>14560823
Eat a balanced diet fuckball.
Vegetarians are fucking delusional though. We are literally made to eat meat and animal fat. They're fucking tards bro. We're omnivores.

[Anonymous No.14564399]

>>14560823
Vegans are generally more health conscious and lead healthier lifestyles than the average person who eat high amounts of animal fats. That’s why they live longer

[Anonymous No.14564406]

>>14560823
Wrong. All disease and health problems is caused by excess mucous in the body which can be eliminated by eating alkaline rich foods and avoiding acidic and man-made foods.

[Anonymous No.14564408]

>>14560823
OP, seriously, do you think diet alone is the limiting factor for a good outcome of a long life? Y/N If you don't think that, do you think lifestyle and activity also play a part, from walking to work, to having stress in the workplace, to having a desk job. And, do you think genes play any part to disease probability in your family?

Only people who fast and calorie restrict seem to beat the longevity game when all other things are equal. That is the only research that has panned out when you think of the oldest living people in the world. All other studies like balance of omega fatty acid types are part of an overall and bigger picture.

Use your brain. It's not that simple to study long term health outcomes even in the big Nurse's studies, many requiring 20-40 years to appear like mesothelioma or heart disease or cancer, even with mice. Their lives are too short which is why they'll megadose them to study drug side effects to determine carcinogens. And when humans consume these supposed bad drugs, they don't get sick. Professors I worked for in the past used to do sham operations to simulate having an operation at all, as the control group, while noosing the aorta in constriction in real operations on other test rats, to induce heart disease of a clogged artery...then study the diet of the sprague-daly rat and drugs for the issue (a better more human-like test subject than mice to say the least, and a lot more expensive). This is more what is needed to study health in humans, humans of a certain age. But, mice research? Discount it right there. This guy is a hack pretending to have research to back up his opinions. Take it with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous No.14564474]

>>14560823
anon, just did a peek at his content.
It's an Abstract, not a peer reviewed journal article. When you publish an Abstract, you are seeking funding, but no one is challenging your hypothesis or these opinions yet. And this particular journal prides itself on opinions that are outside of acceptable current theories.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/journal/medical-hypotheses/about/aims-and-scope

Carry on. If you are facing down AMD, well, do your best to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.14564480]

ok i'll bite, what do oil do i combine with my butter to prevent it from burning? what butter do i replace vegetable oil for blasting things in a broil or obviously deep frying? what neutral oil should i use for eggs, i'm guessing olive oil is still fine?

[Anonymous No.14564491]

>>14564480

high heat coconut oil
anyting else olive oil

[Anonymous No.14564948]

>>14560823
come to ayurveda.

Skinny people who are naturally high energy need to eat blander and heavier foods.
Big framed people who are naturally slow or bulky need to eat lighter foods.

If you're observant you'll notice that most of the people who crave things like sugar tend to be big lugs. The guys who crave savory foods like meat (or soy sauce/yeasty stuff) tend to be scrawny af.

plant oils are fine for Europeans, we don't oxidize them into inflammatory fats the same way tropical people do. only about 17% of Europeans have the harmful gene that converts polyunsaturated linoleic acid into inflammatory arachidonic acid. In tropical people it's like 70%, they need to avoid plant oils.

[Anonymous No.14564957]

>>14564165
GOMAD is good

[Anonymous No.14565074]

Seed oils (grapeseed oil, peanut oil, oils you cook with) are atrocious for you, but animal fats aren't necessarily good for you either. The mice that consumed the latter lived longer because seed oils are horrifically bad that it shortens the lifespan. Animal fats, while having some nutrition in some of them (i.e. protein), aren't "good" for you, but for most bodies, it's "acceptable" in the same way having an occasional dessert is acceptable. The only cooking oil I know of that's totally fine for you is olive oil.
>not a vegan

[Anonymous No.14565091]

>>14560863
as a rhetorical point animal fat also used to be used to lubricate farm machinery
that has nothing to do with healthfulness in regards to human consumption

[Anonymous No.14565129]

I don't care about this shitty post or you, but I've worked in science for 15 years and I can tell you firsthand that we don't know shit about anything. One mouse study doesn't mean shit. What kind of mice? How badly was the study run and by what degenerate Chinese/Indian/white 23 year olds? What kind of horseshit journal was bribed to publish this shit? There is NO integrity in science anymore; it's a business just like everything else. Don't believe everything (anything) you read.

[Anonymous No.14565136]

animal fats are healthy
olive, coconut and avocado oils are healthy
most other plant oils are not healthy
EVERYTHING we have been taught about nutrition since WW1 has been either a product of war effort propaganda to conserve food and/or corporate funded studies to promote industrialized grains and whatever lobbyist handshaking that occurred

>The line “Breakfast is the most important meal of the day” was invented in the 19th century by Seventh Day Adventists James Caleb Jackson and John Harvey Kellogg to sell their newly invented breakfast cereal.

[Anonymous No.14565137]

>>14560823
>animal gets like coconut oil

[Anonymous No.14565177]

>>14565136
Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.

[Anonymous No.14565257]

>>14565074
>The only cooking oil I know of that's totally fine for you is olive oil.

I cook only with butter/olive oil, alternating between those two. I honestly don't understand using something gross like peanut oil.

[Anonymous No.14565264]

it's all so tiresome

>plants good
>eat fiber
>use oils
>eat nuts
>eggs bad
>saturated fat bad

Then

>lul acshully
>these plants are full of toxins
>yeah oil acshully bad hehe sry
>fiber acshully fucks up a lot of peoples bowels instead of helping
>eat more meat
>eat this or that

It seems like everything causes cancer or leads to death. In that regard, we're all fucking dying one way or another... but you can literally google benefits/detriments of eating basically every fucking thing and come up with 100 scholarly articles as to how something is both good and bad. I don't know what to fucking eat anymore.

[Anonymous No.14565271]

>>14560823
This guy literally believes that the earth is hollow and the inside of the earth is ruled by the hyper advanced proto-Aryan Atlantean people.

I think I am gonna go with the vegans on this one.

[Anonymous No.14565278]

>>14565264

overweight? are you obese? do you have diabetes? what do you eat?

if you answered yes to any of the first 3 questions, then try not eating what you answered with the fourth question

[Anonymous No.14565336]

>>14565278
You know for most people just thinking about what they are eating is enough to fix the first three. Americans have somehow deluded themselves into thinking they eat normal portions. If they start counting calories they will see quick, fast, and in a hurry that they are eating more than they should. As long as they keep tracking that shit has a tendency to unfuck itself.

Too bad all amerimutts are lazy, stupid, and/or arrogant and it never works out.

[Anonymous No.14565344]

>>14565336
Fat people are like animals. They are stupid and a mockery of the human form.

[Anonymous No.14565357]

PUFAs are the devil read Ray Peat

[Anonymous No.14565372]

>>14560887
lol

[Anonymous No.14565835]

great study. highly recommend you watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHnPinYI2Yc if you know your biochem

[Anonymous No.14565844]

>>14561231
basically try to get rid of seed oils and replace them with coconut oils and animal fats. don't change anything else. exercise.

[Anonymous No.14565866]

>>14561218
Lmao thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.14565898]

>>14560823
>Thousands of objectively done scientific studies vs. one guy
Hmm. Really making me think which to pick.

[Anonymous No.14565989]

>>14560823
Plants do not want to be eaten. Except for say berries whos seeds need to be pooped. Soo all plants have toxins that will slowly kill you. Kale is poison to humans.. yet (((They))) will tell you its a super food. We are supposed to eat lots of rotten organ meats. We have same stomach ph as Vultures. I dont eat this way but I am Aware.

[Anonymous No.14566037]

>>14560823
I have come to believe that this is biggest thing modern nutritionists get wrong. Animal fats like butter and beef tallow are much better for us than most vegetable and seed oils (canola, corn, sunflower, etc.). Oils like olive oil and avocado oil are somewhere in between.

Two videos that explain it well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_bpQc8MNMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2aMmRr9gfM

[Anonymous No.14566091]

>>14560823
You should at least read the Omega-6 fatty acid wiki article before you make a thread. It's a well known fact that a high consumption omega 6 fatty acids is really bad for you. Unfortunately, the shit is fucking everywhere so it's hard to ban it without ruining whole industries and massively increasing food prices.

[Anonymous No.14566265]

>>14560823
Lol, nutrition science is even less scientific than gender studies. My advice is to ignore everything nutritionists say.

[Anonymous No.14566317]

>"if you remove/add X to your diet, it will solve all your problems!"
>"just buy my book/subscribe to my podcast to see how!"


This is the oldest trick in the book and I'm sick of it. The truth is you probably already know what you should be eating. Whatever foods you genuinely think are healthy, or whatever foods make your body feel healthy after eating them. That's your perfect diet right there.

[Anonymous No.14566323]

>>14560850
Whatever you say you alcoholic piece of shit

[Anonymous No.14566331]

>>14560850
>We may know more about nutrition than any other board

Front Page: mcchicken general, taco bell geneal, fast food general, beer general, whiskey general, alcoholic general, mcdonalds general, and I could go on.

This board is easily the most unhealthy. Even moreseo than /fit/

[Anonymous No.14566344]

>>14560823
Both are utterly wrong. Transfers, carb heavy diets and loads of fructose based sugars are the cause of civilizational disease. Lack of fiber and exercise worsen this issue.

[Anonymous No.14566355]

>>14564393
>We're made to eat meat

You weren't made to do anything you retard. Purpose is for religionfags only. You won't even procreate.

[Anonymous No.14566531]

>>14560861

[Anonymous No.14566555]

>>14563245
>using Wikipedia as a source
>not using the sources listed on the page.
No nation blasting here, just pointing out the global stupidity. The coconut is unique because it presents the characteristics of being a nut, fruit, and seed. As such, coconut oil more aligned structurally with a seed oil than animal fat,

http://agritech.tnau.ac.in/horticulture/horti_pcrops_coconut_botany.html

[Anonymous No.14566567]

All that weak evidence
this seems more like a cry for attention/clout to buy his book follow his twitter etc

Just look at this graph, he's saying vegetable oil increasing heart disease
But heart disease is increase by a shitton during 1940s while vegetable oil consumption barely does

and then to even debunk himself more, heart disease rate goes down while vegetable oil consumption continues to rise

[Anonymous No.14566577]

>>14566331
Even the alcoholics on /ck/ are in better shape than 90% of /fit/.

[Anonymous No.14566604]

>>14566567
You think these TEDx-tier audience members know how to read a graph?

[Anonymous No.14566608]

Why are fatties so scared of sugar and carbs? They are soccer-mom-tier in their fear of sugar.

[Anonymous No.14566630]

>>14566608
because companies have been using that fear to sell diet products for decades, and "eat less" doesn't sell anything.

though to be honest sugar has been added to so much it's hard to know where that fear starts to become legitimate.

[Anonymous No.14566682]

>>14566608

First: Sugar fucks with your oral health. It rots your teeth and gums. You can't deny it.

Second: Sugar is highly addictive while never really sating hunger.

Third: Through careful personal observations, I've determined that sugar, carefully measured by weight, is not equivalent to other calorie sources when consumed by me. I assume one of these scenarios to be correct:

1. The advertised calorie content of sugar is incorrect.

2. My body is either extra efficient at extracting calories from sugar, or inefficient at extracting calories from both fat and protein heavy sources, to the point that sugar in my diet needs to be counted as double calories.

[Anonymous No.14566774]

>>14566682
>1. The advertised calorie content of sugar is incorrect.
Sucrose indeed has 3.75 calories per gram, but all carbohydrates are counted as 4 on nutrition labels (but not in most food composition data banks), starch typically has 4.2 calories per gram. You should be careful not to generalize your personal experience and experimentation given that sugar is not addictive, and refined sugar is also more satiating than fat in the general population, however the combination of fat and sugar in a single food item tends to induce overeating in most mammals including humans. Sugar intake is self-limiting via FGF21 and insulin (in a healthy person more insulin to a meal = more satiety), however fat intake is not

>>14566608
Fat people like eat eating fat and don't mind skipping sugar, people in general like hearing things that are easy and comfortable, hence many fat people are easily drawn to low-sugar high-fat diets and will gladly ignore decades of scientific consensus that fat causes diabetes, heart disease and obesity in favor of some quack on YouTube telling them that bacon and cheese are actually healthy and it's the bananas and plain baked potatoes they never eat that made them fat.

[Anonymous No.14566872]

Read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price, he goes into the different ways tribes have survived for hundreds and thousands if years. Basically most isolated peoples eat a diet high in fat and if they eat grain, it's freshly ground whole wheat flour. Most healthy people eat a diet high in either dairy, organ meats or seafood. Farming practices play a huge role as well.

[Anonymous No.14566885]

>>14561601
This, I fry everything in lard and eat more organ meats and organic dairy, my hair and skin health feels so much better than when I ate mostly processed foods.

[Anonymous No.14566908]

>>14560823
What ONE guy say may not necesarrily be universal truth..
Think, for yourself . compare.

[Anonymous No.14566933]

>animal fats like butter or coconut oil
Which animal produces coconut oil?

[Anonymous No.14566955]

>>14565264
We’re multiple subspecies with slightly different dietary needs but admitting that would be “racist”.
Honestly play around with different diets, if you feel good and look good on one it’s probably right for you.

[Anonymous No.14566965]

>>14566608
Not just fatties, also a lot of people who can't let go of their illusion of control.

When you seek pattern, you'll find them. You're still going to die at roughly the same age though.

[Anonymous No.14567136]

>>14566933
The coconut crab dummy

[Anonymous No.14567558]

>>14566577
Eat your liverwurst sandwiches and shut up

[Anonymous No.14567564]

>>14567558
>Eat your liverwurst sandwiches
I already have ;)

[Anonymous No.14567707]

>>14560823
I've had ulcerative colitis for 11 years. It used to be severe, but through changing my diet it's basically in remission unless I get very stressed.
Basically I avoid excess sugar, omega-6 rich seed oils, and fast on a semi-regular basis. I believe most modern diseases are related to metabolic disease, and I believe most metabolic disease is a result of hyperinsulinemia. Anecdotal, but after changing my eating habits to promote lower insulin levels (both fasting and after meals), my autoimmune issues have gotten better. I tried other diets, and they all help to some degree, but the common element between them all seems to be a lowering of things that stimulate insulin production.

[Anonymous No.14567720]

>>14560850
Go back.

[Anonymous No.14567898]

>>14561231
He’s an ophthalmologist. AMD is a type of vision loss due to wearing down of the retina from age. He published a study that falsely linked AMD to plant oils, and used it to write a book to sell his new diet.

[Anonymous No.14567912]

>>14560938
You have to wonder which is easier to binge on.

[Anonymous No.14568006]

>>14560876
Although not necessarily fat, all of the vegans I've known ate like shit and were definitely malnourished. They'd eat a bunch of french fries, chips, baked goods and other refined carbs. Their "meat substitutes" like tofu, seitan, and tempeh are all garbage that's barely even food. Funny enough, these vegans really didn't seem to eat much vegetables at all. Mostly just grains and starches.

[Anonymous No.14568035]

>>14566577
al/ck/ here
its true
I stay within 10lb of my optimal goal weigh at all times and exercise 5x a week
and don't forget about the high quality liver and oysters i consume

[Anonymous No.14568110]

>>14568006
>Fries, chips
>Refined carbs
It's literally just potatoes fried in vegetable oils, nothing refined about the carb and the fat is way more important.

[Anonymous No.14568115]

>>14568035
You reminded me about the thawed oysters I have in my fridge right now, what's an easy, fast and cheap recipe? I was thinking just frying them in butter and putting maggi sauce on them.

[Anonymous No.14568131]

Healthy fats

>non psychos
avocados
nuts (including nut butters)
olives (including oil)

>psychos
fish
butter (don't use a lot)

It's that simple. Just don't use heavily processed bullshit

[Anonymous No.14568135]

>>14560855
I know reading is tough bud, dont worry you'll understand what "or" means some day

[Anonymous No.14568399]

>>14568110
I wasn't saying that fried potatoes are refined carbs dipshit, you have no reading comprehension. I wrote "baked goods and other refined carbs" faggot, end your life.

[Anonymous No.14568409]

>>14568399
>Construct sentence like a somali doctor
>Hurr get reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.14568426]

>>14568409
>be an autistic faggot
>pretend to care this much about syntax on /ck/ of all places just to make a moot point

[Anonymous No.14568434]

All these hacks just want to sell you something

[Anonymous No.14568616]

>>14563234
>as we've improved our living conditions/eating standards, our immune systems haven't yet adapted and so we have a lot of autoimmune disorders and diseases caused by our overactive systems
Why would living conditions that make us sick be considered and improvement?

[Anonymous No.14568944]

>>14568616
>Why would living conditions that make us sick be considered and improvement?

technically you still end up living longer, so with regards to any reproductive species this is an objective improvement

[Anonymous No.14569107]

>>14563978
Are those studies controlled for factors like poverty, pollution, and SES? Most countries where plant-based diets are widespread are as such because they're poor, hence why the demand for meat is growing as places like China start to develop a strong middle-class.

[Anonymous No.14569229]

>>14564165
What kind of retard says fiber and wheat are bad?

[Anonymous No.14569406]

>>14569229

grains spike blood sugar more than pure sugar per calorie

[Anonymous No.14569510]

>>14569406
Sorry, I meant legumes. Wheat is understandable.

[Anonymous No.14569527]

>>14568944
>live longer as an obese walking dead freak on oxygen who's heart might explode at any time and will surely die if they contract current year's (((super virus))) while being outbread by browns
>live slightly less long but healthy as an ox and increasing your nation's or race's population
hm

[Anonymous No.14569554]

>>14569527

can you articulate the difference between "improvement" and "better"?

[Anonymous No.14569576]

>>14569554
Eat the bugs goy! It's an improvement!

[Anonymous No.14569579]

>>14569576

I guess you can't

[Anonymous No.14570344]

He’s half-right, the fats themselves are not INHERENTLY dangerous (it is possible to eat plant fats and have benefits or no negatives) but they’re often easily able to bind things which do have these negative effects, and in this way you come to a false conclusion!.

[Anonymous No.14570585]

>Dietophiles
There's never been a smart one!

[Anonymous No.14570598]

>>14560850
Fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.14570606]

>>14560823
Damn, it's almost like industrializing every aspect of life is bound to fuck you up. Ted was right

[Anonymous No.14570629]

>>14560823
>Dr. Chris Knobbe is an ophthalmologist

If there's anyone who knows a lot about nutrition and is well equipped to properly run a peer reviewed study it's a fucking eye doctor.

[Anonymous No.14571695]

>>14560823
Believe this guy, who says that modern wheat is bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBURnqYVzw

Cutting out grains has improved all my health issues, especially digestive issues like constipation, bloating and the occasional diarrhea are all a thing of the past ever since I stopped eating grains altogether. I believe that meme diets like carnivore and keto are mainly having positive effects on people because they cut out grains purely by necessity. Carbs from fruits and veggies aren't bad from personal experience. All that was needed for me was to completely cut out wheat and grains. Changed my life and I can still eat relatively normal in social settings because I'm not afraid of sugar or vegetables. Avoiding bread and pasta is easier than you think and the damage is accumulative anyway, so a pie crust here and there or even a slice of pizza from time to time is no issue as long as I don't eat a lot of it regularly, I get to keep all the the benefits regardless.

[Anonymous No.14571700]

>>14570629
>If there's anyone who knows a lot about nutrition and is well equipped to properly run a peer reviewed study it's a fucking eye doctor.
Bet he's not even a MD/PhD combo.

[Anonymous No.14571705]

>>14569510
Legumes have to be soaked and cooked like 10 hours and still give you wind. How in the fuck is that supposed to be a natural and healthy food?
>muh brotein acids
Go fuck yourself and eat a steak, vegaine cunts.

[Anonymous No.14571712]

I don't know, the Italians eat so much carbs and plant oils but they're quite healthy? It doesn't seem like the most pressing issue diet-wise.

[Anonymous No.14571714]

>>14560850
/fit/ is so much more healthy than this board it isn't even funny. /ck/ on average might make more interesting foods, that doesn't mean healthier. Stop confusing the two.

[Anonymous No.14571719]

I like Chris Knobbe and his work. I have watched many videos of his presentations and podcasts.

Seed oils are his thing and he demonstrates very clearly why they are harmful. He doesn't get the full picture because diseases of civilization are also caused by refined carbs. Ancient Egyptians got heart disease from bread.

>Dr. Michael Eades - 'Paleopathology and the Origins of the Low-carb Diet'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2v6AnEyuU

The three most important things anyone needs to know about nutrition are:
1. Don't eat sugar.
2. Don't eat flour.
3. Don't eat vegetable oils.

Weston Price actually had this figured out almost a century ago. Modern disease is from those three ingredients. Coincidentally almost all modern processed food is made from different combinations of sugar, flour, and vegetable oil.

[Anonymous No.14571724]

>>14571719
Is flour worse than potato?

[Anonymous No.14571725]

>>14560823
heres how it works:
corporations sell food A
they then invent food B
pay 'experts' to say B is better so sell it at higher markup
now everybody eats B so market dictates lower profit.
pay 'expert' to say we now discovered A is actually better because 'new' science
put price of A up
rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.14571732]

>>14560823
Vegans are wrong, all their claims are based on "studies" with imprecise methodology and no solid proof of actual causality. They never look healthy, healthy people who go vegan start looking sickly after a few years. Veganism kills you slowly though, it's not rapidly fucking you up so people get trapped in it.

I haven't heard about the oil stuff but if that guy is claiming that olive oil is unhealthy he's a fucking moron of the highest order.

[Anonymous No.14571739]

>>14565257
Peanut oil is delicious. Good high smoke point and nice nuttiness

[Anonymous No.14571747]

>>14565129
this

[Anonymous No.14571754]

>>14571724

not him but, potatoes have a similar glycemic response to most grain foods, a boiled potato can be as high as 82 on the index while instant oatmeal can be as high as 83, regular sugar gets as high as 69

now if you're eating instant mashed potatoes then it's even higher by as much as 90, which is just shy of pure blood sugar

[Anonymous No.14571760]

Humans mostly lived on meats, vegetables and dairy for hundreds of thousands of years with the occassional carb for a quick energy snack. That's the only thing I need to know. Case closed, I'm out of this thread don't bother whining ,vegans.

[Anonymous No.14571788]

>>14571724
Flour is worse than potato. Flour has been ground so finely that it creates an exaggerated insulin response due to interaction with incretins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMO-5mq3crU

[Anonymous No.14571866]

>tfw the industrial world is fundamentally flawed and there's no going back except for becoming an insane hermit incel in the woods

[Anonymous No.14571882]

>>14571866
The Amish were right all along.

[Anonymous No.14571892]

>>14564374
No it doesn't you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.14571900]

>>14566682
>Sugar fucks with your oral health. It rots your teeth and gums. You can't deny it.
Brush your teeth you disgusting weirdo
>Sugar is highly addictive while never really sating hunger.
Put down the fork you fat fuck
>Through careful personal observations, I've determined that sugar, carefully measured by weight, is not equivalent to other calorie sources when consumed by me. I assume one of these scenarios to be correct:
>The advertised calorie content of sugar is incorrect.
>My body is either extra efficient at extracting calories from sugar, or inefficient at extracting calories from both fat and protein heavy sources, to the point that sugar in my diet needs to be counted as double calories.
Take your fucking meds you retarded schizo

[Anonymous No.14571904]

>>14571866
>>14571882
papa ted was right all along

[Anonymous No.14571965]

>>14560823
Oil in general is probably not good for humans to ingest in significant quantities. Fat bound up in fiber (within whole food like nuts or beans) is probably processed more appropriately and comfortably by the body.

[Anonymous No.14571971]

big if true

[Anonymous No.14572003]

>>14571882
Mennonites seem to strike a comfier balance desu senpai. They're steam punk Amish

[Anonymous No.14572006]

>>14571904
Based Ted poster

[Anonymous No.14572054]

The main problem is people eat too much omega-6 and not enough omega-3. Rarely do people in the west ever eat fish and if they do they eat fish low in omega-3 like tilapia, cod, canned tuna (god forbid, in vegetable oil) instead of something like salmon which has a shitload.

Let's say people eat fish once every few months, and they are constantly using canola oil every day to cook, put mayo on sandwiches, or eat junk food like potato/corn chips which is cooked in more canola or soybean oil. It's easy to see where the person's average diet gets out of wack when they are eating multiple sources of omega-6 a day and no omega-3s.

[Anonymous No.14572066]

I eat tuna can once a week, 2 omega-3 tablets a day. Fit as a fiddle.(or somesing)

[Anonymous No.14572087]

>>14572054
Does wild-caught carp contain omega-3?
East-europeaneger here. We eat lots of carp, but most of it is farmed, so I don't think it contains much omega-3 (most farmed carp food is made from soybean discards, sunflower oilcake, corn/wheat hulls and other random shit).

[Anonymous No.14572245]

>>14572054
Historically our ancestors ate large land mammals. They started eating seafood after most megafauna went extinct.

Eating seafood to counteract industrial oils is flawed thinking. Eliminate the source of the harm (seed/nut/legume oil) and you don't need the supposed cure (fish oil).

There's no proof that omega 3 actually undoes the harm of vegetable oil anyway. That's just speculation based on association (i.e. epidemiology).

[Anonymous No.14572367]

>>14565091
he does make a point about the nutritional aspect of vegetable oils, the machinery aspect is to demonize it a little i reckon
but it does seem clear to me that butter is better than vegetable oil in more than one aspect

[Anonymous No.14572410]

>>14566774
>You should be careful not to generalize your personal experience and experimentation given that sugar is not addictive
false, sugar has been proven time and time again that it is indeed addicting, i disagree with it being as addictive as cocaine, but it certainly is quite addictive
>refined sugar is also more satiating than fat in the general population
this is because it quickly restores insulin levels in your bloodstream, after it falls down, your body will crave more sugar. its a vicious cycle
this does not happen with fat, in fact, it has the opposite happen, since it does not spike your blood sugar, thereby making you overall less hungry
> Sugar intake is self-limiting via FGF21 and insulin
you see, insuling resistance is a thing, this fact works against you in the long run
>decades of scientific consensus that fat causes diabetes
this is still on debate and anyone claiming to know an answer or a strong correlation is usually wrong

i think you have your facts straight off the book, which isn't wrong, but we need to stop pretending the data we have is correct

we've gone deep down the "cereal and grain good fat bad" tv doctor mentality, and the results have been devastating

[Anonymous No.14572423]

>>14572245
>there is no such thing as a miracle food, just elimination diets
sounds extremely based to me

[Anonymous No.14572627]

>>14568035
How can you exercise 5x weak when you're an alcoholic?

[Anonymous No.14572637]

>>14572627
is vodka natty?

[Anonymous No.14572643]

>>14561182
holy shit i love this board so much

[Anonymous No.14572679]

>>14572245
>Historically our ancestors ate large land mammals. They started eating seafood after most megafauna went extinct.
They fruit, vegetables and grains as well. We have stomach contents of ancient peoples pulled out of the bog, the ice and the ground to prove it.

>>14572245
>They started eating seafood after most megafauna went extinct.
The diet of ancient populations are well documented. Shell middens that look like burial grounds were actually ancient dumps, because that's just how much they ate oysters, mussels, clams and other seafood. Native populations ate whateve they wanted, and it wasn't because of other food scarcity but the opposite. At every latitude, people ate what they wanted. Your theories suck.

>>14572245
>Eating seafood to counteract industrial oils is flawed thinking. Eliminate the source of the harm (seed/nut/legume oil) and you don't need the supposed cure (fish oil).
>There's no proof that omega 3 actually undoes the harm of vegetable oil anyway. That's just speculation based on association (i.e. epidemiology).
It's simpleton conclusions, sadly. The balance of omegas is like the balance of good cholesterol vs bad cholestorol vs triglycerides. There are theories about the right dietary contributions for preventing plaque formation. It's easy enough to see that the serum changes in blood draws prove there are dietary changes that work for many people. Packing on the fish oil works for some people, especially for inflammation which is not to be overlooked as part of the heart disease process.

Elimination diets are pretty risky. You should be getting your nutrition from a variety of sources not eliminating food groups.

[Anonymous No.14572753]

>>14560906
plants vs animals, saturated vs unsaturated doesn't matter.
it's all about the omega 3:6 ratio which is almost always high in seeds and vegetable oils and is pretty high in grain(seed) fed red meat.

omega 6 fatty acids are amazing for you, they help you protect the body from invasion from foreign substances with inflammation.
but a ratio of 1:2000 is too high. especially because omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acid compete for uptake.

[Anonymous No.14572771]

>>14565271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxyfiBGCwhQ
you can't prove it's not true because I wouldn't understand you.

[Anonymous No.14572782]

>>14572753
Seed oils are literally worse for your heart than cocaine or meth. Please stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

[Anonymous No.14572794]

>>14572782
>omega 6 fatty acids don't exist anywhere except seed oils
lol retard

[Anonymous No.14572802]

>>14572782
>literally worse

[Anonymous No.14572865]

>>14560823
even 100 years ago if you need some fat to cook people used lard or olive oil. there was no 'vegetable' oil and such

[Anonymous No.14572955]

>>14560837
>>14560823
BOTH SIDES ARE TRUE AND BOTH ARE LIES. ONE TRUTH IS SURE THOUGH. THAT BOTH ARE ONE AND THE SAME.

[Anonymous No.14572977]

>>14560823
Diets are all memes. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot, look I went from 300lbs to 180lbs. Know what I did? I fucking ate food according to the food pyramid and worked out. It’s not that hard.

[Anonymous No.14572998]

>>14572865
That's not quite true.
Before industrial oils (canola, colza, palm etc.) became commonplace, people (at least in some parts of Europe) roasted hemp and flax seeds (sunflower hadn't been brought over yet), ground them and pressed them for oil. This oil was important because back in the day people were quite religious and adhered to fasting days, when animal fat was prohibited, and olive oil was too expensive for the average man.

[Anonymous No.14573068]

>>14560823
It's complicated because you also need to avoid saturated fats for the same reasons. Ideal is high omega-3 and low omega-6.

>>14572998
Hemp and flax seed on paper are the healthiest choices for general cooking oil, but flax seed has a poor shelf-life and the low smoke points might them unusable for deep frying.

Concerns about industrial oils should be based on the actual differences in nutritional value, not baseless paranoia of new products. Regular palm oil is very similar to butter in composition while canola actually has good omega-6:omega-3 ratios. Yes some rapeseed cultivars contains harmful amounts of erucic acid, but just like the poppyseeds you eat in a bagel that doesn't mean all rapeseed contains significant amounts of a harmful substance.

Coconut oil and hydrogenated sunflower and palm oils are all extremely high in saturated fats, twice as much as butter, lard, or suet.

[Anonymous No.14573092]

>>14572753
This is the most accurate assessment with current data. Flax, hemp, and canola (not hydrogenated) all appear to be good choices. Olive oil is about one order higher in omega-6 amounts, but it's unclear where the tipping point is.

[Anonymous No.14573096]

>>14560823
Just don't eat too much vegetable oil, apart from maybe olive oil, which has a good 3-6 ratio. Especially rancid, processed old oil.

I mostly use butter when cooking meat/eggs/fish, and raw olive oil (the extra virgin one) on vegetables, legumes and pasta. I also make sure I get enough omega-3 through fatty fish, since I eat avocados, walnuts, sunflower seeds and other high omega-6 stuff.

[Anonymous No.14573114]

>>14573096
>extra virgin
Extra virgin oil is made from the first press during the extraction process and contains more flavor compounds from the olive fruit and less bitter compounds from the pit. That is the only difference between virgin oils and regular oils. They are nutritionally the same.

During the cooking process those flavor compounds break down at relatively low temperatures, so you should only use virgin oil in room temperature foods or in dressings.

Cooking with virgin olive oil is just wasting money.

[Anonymous No.14573133]

>>14560876
This is just correlation, tho.
They're thinner than the average person because they're obviously more careful about health, and they pay close attention to what they put in their mouth.
No random pizza or snacks when passing by a fast food place, etc.
You should compare vegan and non-vegan athletes instead, since they're more likely to be on the best diet they can.

[Anonymous No.14573142]

>>14572627
not him but
1. build up a tolerance so you don't get hung over anymore
2. drink shit ton of coffee in the morning
3. do your exercise after coffee and before your first drink
4. generally drink to get a buzz but not totally hammered if you want to be boozing every day

It's not that difficult, you just need some discipline within the depths of your bad habits

[Anonymous No.14573317]

>>14573068
>flax seed has a poor shelf-life and the low smoke points might them unusable for deep frying.
According to the records, peasants roasted the seeds twice before extracting the oil. They first roasted them to make the hulls brittle before grinding, then the grounds were winnowed to remove hulls, then the seed-meal was roasted again, before being transfered to the oil press.
Would this twice-roasting procedure increase the storage life of the oil?

[Anonymous No.14573331]

>>14573317
>according to the records
what records nigga. regular people didn’t read and write in the olden times

[Anonymous No.14573368]

>>14560823
>>14560863
>>14560906

What about olive oil? Isn't it like the healthiest thing you could put in your body?

[Anonymous No.14573382]

>>14573331
No, but the guy sent to log the activities performed in the domain (for tax purposes & stuff) usually did. Otherwise he would've been pretty useless for the records keeper.

[Anonymous No.14573396]

>>14560876
I do not know a single thin vegan

[Anonymous No.14573558]

>>14573368
Olive oil is probably a good choice. It has more omega-6 than flax, hemp, or canola, but it's not clear if it reaches a harmful threshold.

[Anonymous No.14573575]

heyyyyy girls!!!! didn't read N E of dat shit lulz ;p

[Anonymous No.14573594]

>>14573114
Yeah, that's why I said I use it raw on pasta/vegetables.
But they're not the same anyway: non-evo olive oil is generally lower quality, and not always cold pressed.

[Anonymous No.14573641]

>>14564406
>excess mucous

I think you meant an imbalance in the 4 primordial humors.

[Anonymous No.14574225]

>>14573594
>lower quality
By what metric?

[Anonymous No.14574549]

>>14573368
Olive oil is healthy with Meds because they consumed a massive amount of seafood with it, the Omega 3s helped to cancel the Omega 6s. The combination of fish, olive oil, cheese and bread seemed to work for them. The combination of foods is just as important as what foods are individually healthy.

[Anonymous No.14575769]

>>14560823
India has a growing problem with diet-related cancer
they are predominately vegetarian and cook with mostly refined vegetable oil
take that as you will

[Anonymous No.14576004]

>>14566331
>Front Page: mcchicken general, taco bell geneal, fast food general, beer general, whiskey general, alcoholic general, mcdonalds general, and I could go on.

Lmao it's so true. I'm the one that made the cheap beer thread, so I can't complain.

I think this guy is close to being the board mascot, because he drinks and eats cheap shit.

[Anonymous No.14576065]

>>14576004
based image

[Anonymous No.14576125]

>>14576004
>>14576065
He's actually really skinny nowadays. Doesnt make many videos. Still drinks but not like he used to. Good for him

[Anonymous No.14576137]

>>14576125
what's his yt?

[Anonymous No.14576154]

>>14576137
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH2q5Mv5GELH6mbj5Gb6SYw

Looks like he gained it back, according to his FB he is 6'1 and 350 lbs again.

[Anonymous No.14576160]

>>14576154
thanks

[Anonymous No.14576213]

>>14574549
Olive oil itself is high in omega 3s and not 6s. Also 100% grass fed dairy is high in omega 3. Only corn and soy leads to omega 6s

[Anonymous No.14576654]

>>14573133
you can convince yourself for many reasons not to eat out between bodily fluids and dropped food, let alone the possibility of intentional contamination to justify not eating out if you're too big of a fat fuck with money to burn that you can't not eat out; women living on some1 else and kissless virgins.

[Anonymous No.14577525]

>>14573396
And there is nothing more physiologically and psychologically toxic than the fat vegan

[Anonymous No.14578614]

>>14573142
Sensei!

[Anonymous No.14578924]

>>14575769
Why is it growing then

[Anonymous No.14579920]

>>14571900
(((put down the fork)))
be a skinny frail shell of a person goy!!!

[Anonymous No.14580195]

>>14572998
true, but in 90% of cases it as animal fat

[Anonymous No.14581400]

>>14560823
No, they aren't. Scientific explanations, ESPECIALLY those involving the human body, are never that simple. The cause of modern obesity is likely due to a complex set of factors, ultimately stemming from the fact that industrial food producers have an incentive to make you eat as much as possible in order to increase profits. Is seed oil not great for you? Probably, I don't doubt that high omega 6 oils are much healthier. Is it the total and complete cause of obesity? Probably not.

[Anonymous No.14581760]

>>14573068
Omega 3 is also toxic via rancidity