Wine Thread

[Anonymous No.14253241]

What have you been drinking /ck/?
Should you cook with expensive wine?
What wines do you cook with?

For me ive been drinking 2015 Joseph Phelps Insignia. And always use mid-low tier wines for cooking.

[Anonymous No.14253252]

The good stuff

[Anonymous No.14253259]

>>14253252
Classic purple flavour

[Anonymous No.14253266]

>>14253241
What an obnoxious bottle. Really trying to go for the 'bold red wine for real men' aesthetic.

What's it like?

[Anonymous No.14253280]

>>14253266
Very obnoxious bottle. But the most expensive wine I've ever purchased. It tastes of dark berries, red and blackcurrants, plums, cocoa and some sort of minerals. It was worth the price for me.

[Anonymous No.14253311]

>>14253280
Fuck I didn't realise how expensive it was. I suppose that justifies the obnoxious bottle. Never spent that amount of money on wine. Didn't think those kinds of wines would label as 'red wine' at that price point. Maybe Americans don't label multiple varietals on bottles.

Also, by the sound of your notes, there seems to be some restraint going on, which is cool.

[Anonymous No.14253329]

>>14253311
Yeah in all actuality the bottle is made up of 90% Cabernet Sauvignon, 7% Petit Verdot, 2% Cabernet Franc, 1% Malbec. I dont know what the deal is with the marketing but it is by far the best wine ive had. What do you drink? I'm normally a mid level drinker but my sister had a son so we got this to celebrate.

[Anonymous No.14253343]

moscato is basado

[Anonymous No.14253356]

>>14253343
Moscato is an interesting Italian wine varietal. I heard its one of the fastest growing wines due to mentions in hip-hop? Like Hennessey I guess.

[Anonymous No.14253366]

>>14253356
I have no idea about that. It's just tasty.

[Anonymous No.14253373]

>>14253366
Which style do you enjoy? Still? Sparkling? Pink? I'm interested in going deeper into Moscatos before the price raises due to popularity.

[Anonymous No.14253395]

>>14253373
You really can't go wrong, but I like the sparkling ones in particular, and the italian ones seem better than all the rest. Elmo Pio is my personal favorite. Nothing fancy, but great nonetheless. I've had multiple Italian brands and they in particular seem to be a cut above the rest.

[Anonymous No.14253425]

>>14253329
I've barely had any American wine. The places I shop at don't stock them, and I didn't drink that much wine when I was in the US.

I mainly drink old world wine, but I'm starting to gain an appreciation for Australian wine. In particular I love wines from Champagne, the Rhone and Mosel. I tend to like wines from traditional producers, but I occasionally drink minimal intervention eccentric wines too. What do you usually drink?

I don't know what you mean by mid-level but that's quite a jump from mid-level in my book.

[Anonymous No.14253428]

>>14253356
Never heard of this. In most circles over here Moscato is (somewhat deservedly) trashy.

[Anonymous No.14253431]

>>14253428
how is one grape varietal trashier than another grape varietal

[Anonymous No.14253446]

>>14253395
Ill have to give that a shot next time I stock up. Glad to see that what I read online about Italian Moscato is true

>>14253425
Sorry for not clarifying my what I meant by mid-level. I just meant to indicate this was a very rare occurrence for me. Personally im form Canada so I enjoy ice wines regularly as they are priced decently. But beyond that South African and Portuguese wines tend to be my staples.

>>14253428
>>14253431
I believe the association comes from the cheap Barefoot Moscato and not the more expensive for example Black Muscat Moscato style.

[Anonymous No.14253454]

>>14253431
Because of the kinds of wines that it commonly makes.

I've had some pretty good wines made out of Muscat grapes in general, but the traditional Moscato wine that I think all other Moscatos are based off, Moscato d'Asti, is regarded to be a fairly unremarkable wine.

It's offspring (which are usually regarded to not be made to the same quality level) are often bastardised, for example by adding red wine (pink Moscato), and don't have the acidity to stop the wine from tasting syrupy/flabby.

A lot of Moscato seems to be just low alcohol tropical sugar water that women like drinking.

[Anonymous No.14253462]

>>14253311
you dumb fucking cunt
its labelled 'red wine' because its a blend - as many wine makers have been doing since time immemorial. some painters want more colors - its just as simple as that.
and the bottle is already labelled with an AVA - Napa Valley, which is its legal guarantor of place and content.

americans probably pioneered labelling varietals instead of just place names

[Anonymous No.14253472]

>>14253454
It does have a bad reputation you are correct. It is perceived as a vehicle for alcohol. But I believe in that there must be some legs to it somewhere. This is what i'm searching for.

[Anonymous No.14253474]

>>14253462
So Americans don't like putting multiple varietals on their labels? Tell me something I don't know.

[Anonymous No.14253479]

>>14253472
Quite possibly. There are grapes that people say pretty much universally make bland wines like Airen or Trebbiano (both mainly used for brandy production), but I do wonder if there are good examples that exist.

[Anonymous No.14253488]

>>14253474
no one said that, dumb fucking moron, and its standard practice to say somewhere on a label what your blend is, unless as some wine makers prefer, you want to keep your blend proprietary. god you are dumb

[Anonymous No.14253490]

>>14253479
I find exploring these types of wines interesting and cost effective. It helps me appreciate the good wines, maybe uncover a hidden gem and gives my wallet a break after the Insignia.

[Anonymous No.14253495]

>>14253488
I honestly have no idea what you're having an autistic rage over then.

[Anonymous No.14253496]

>>14253472
>It is perceived as a vehicle for alcohol.
because it's tasty enough to drink a lot of. simple as.

[Anonymous No.14253497]

>>14253490
Maybe, but if you look for wines from good value regions you're more likely to get a cost-effective wine without searching for the holy grail of good white Pinot Grigio or Moscato.

[Anonymous No.14253502]

>>14253497
Can you please specify some regions for me to try out? I know it may depend on geography but it should generally be similar.
>>14253496
Fair enough. If it meets your needs and you enjoy it others observations are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.14253516]

>>14253502
There's so many.

Hunter Valley Semillon is great value wine from Australia, great structure and very ageable for such a northern wine.

In terms of France, wines from the Cotes du Rhone appellation offer great value despite the high prices of the more prestigious appellations adjacent to it. The Loire and especially Alsace also offer some good value for whites and reds.

For Italy, white wines from Piedmont are great value. Reds from upper Piedmont such as Gattinara and Coste delle Sesia are also good value compared to the prices of Barolo and Barbaresco. Wines made from Aglianico and Nerello Mascalese down south can be great value too. Nerello Mascalese is a good option for Pinot Noir drinkers imo.

In Spain, wines from Catalonia are great value at the moment, especially Cava which is a great Champagne substitute. Look for wines from Penedes too.

Portugal as you mentioned is also great value.

[Anonymous No.14253529]

>>14253516
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain this for me. I will look into expanding my knowledge farther on these regions and continue to grow my understanding of wine. However, I will in all honesty still continue to hunt for a holy grail Moscato as well as trying these value wines.

[Anonymous No.14253534]

>>14253529
No worries at all, I'm by no means an authority on good value wine. I just enjoy helping people out.

[Anonymous No.14253541]

>>14253241
ive been holding onto a a 2008 chianti.......it was one of my favourites at my local supermarket, but they stopped stocking it so I held on to a bottle and never drank it for 10 years!!
Probably tastes like shit now, but cant bring myself to drink it,

[Anonymous No.14253546]

>>14253541
Just drink it and keep the bottle if you want it for sentimental value.

[Anonymous No.14253548]

>>14253534
I'm going to get some wines tomorrow I will purchase something off this list and let you know how it is if this thread is still around. Have a good evening helpful wine anon

[Anonymous No.14253552]

>>14253548
Y-you too. Good luck with it.

[Anonymous No.14253553]

>>14253241

yo. i live in Sonoma county and that shit is pretty good OP. ever tried anything from Repris winery? best shit i've ever had. most wine sucks ass though. fucking rich people pretending to be fancy

[Anonymous No.14253598]

>have collector autism
>spend a shitton on good wines
>never open anything because I want to share it with friend but all my friends live far away

[Anonymous No.14253763]

>>14253598
uh
have you encouraged them to visit (provided their lives allow it)?

[Anonymous No.14253805]

>>14253598
This is exactly me but I have some wine friends so things get occasionally opened.

I still feel your pain though. I would drink wine with you if you're anywhere near me.

[Anonymous No.14255110]

>>14253241
Had something similar with Greek food recently.

Dark cherry skin, blood plum, cigar box, stemmy, dark chocolate praline and dark floral notes.

Went surprisingly great with sauteed red capsicum and feta.

[Anonymous No.14255224]

>>14253553
I haven't but I will have to give it a go. I actually switched from whiskey to wine in order to save money despite the rich connotation

[Anonymous No.14255243]

>>14253516
I picked up a bottle of Cockfighter's Ghost Semillon 2014, Hunter Valley, Segura Viudas Brut Reserva Cava and Cavit Collection Moscato Pavia IGT

[Anonymous No.14255372]

Started drinking wine recently since I got a job at a liquor store. I don't really have a lot of money, I can buy like two $15 - $25 bottles a week. The store mainly sells American and Italian wine, makes sense considering the demographic of the area.

I have had a provence rose, a cheap sangiovese, a sauvignon blanc, a "buttery" chard, a gavi, a verementino, a riesling, and an Italian red blend. Kind of been buying random things but I am going to start trying a couple bottles of all the big popular grapes.

Starting with Sauvignon Blanc, I have a NZ one, an oaked one, and a Sancerre. Next will be Chardonnay. I heard California chards have a bad rep and are bad but they are so popular and a lot of them sound pretty good. Maybe the "buttery" chards are trashy or something but it was pretty tasty...

Also what is everybody's opinion on Cabernet Sauvignon? I know it is the most popular red but it doesn't sound appealing at all, I tried an apparently great one from California but it wasn't to my tastes. I think I liked the sangiovese I had and a pinot noir I tasted better.

[Anonymous No.14255383]

>>14253241
I swear I thought I was looking at a giant black dick when I saw this image. I need to get off this website.

[Anonymous No.14255430]

>>14255372
Sounds like you may have a palate for more dry, delicate wines (i.e. sangiovese, pinot) rather than bombastic in your face wines like Cali cabernet and Cali chardonnay. I would highly suggest trying both Pinot Noir and Chardonnay from Burgundy, France. They taste completely different than anything you would drink from California, and the flavors are much more delicate and subtle. Particularly with French Chardonnay, I would try and find one from the Chablis area. I have served this to several people who were used to drinking California Chard and they were shocked when I told them it was Chardonnay.

[Anonymous No.14255440]

>>14255430
I should add that Burgundy wines are definitely more expensive though, and the minimum I'd spend is probably $25/bottle.

[Anonymous No.14255501]

>>14253266
Speaking to this I wonder why white wine is viewed as unmasculine. Maybe due to the delicate nature but personally I associate reds with femininity more.

[Anonymous No.14255569]

>>14253241
If it doesnt come in a bag or a box it isnt for me

[Anonymous No.14255595]

>>14253241
Just opened this

[Anonymous No.14255596]

>>14255501
A lot of whites are very soft and sugary

[Anonymous No.14255659]

>>14253241
The price on that bottle is a little inflated due to scarcity, not due to quality. 2015 was a hard year for Napa vintners. If you can find the same bottle in a 2016 I would bet it costs much less for the same quality.

>>14253343
I wouldn't drink an American moscato unless it was free and the only booze in a five mile radius.

>>14253431
Muscat is inherently a very sweet grape with a neat husky, funky undertone to it, but American producers tend to oversimplify the winemaking process to leave a lot of residual sugar and underplay the funkiness. As a result the wines that get produced are extremely sweet, like drinking syrup, and lack complexity. D'Asti is less sweet but still lacks complexity until you reach an exclusionary price range.

It's a joke in the wine industry that if a woman comes into your tasting room or bar and says she normally doesn't like wine, but she wants to, the only thing she'll drink is a moscato, better if it's sparkling.

I've had some good ones, but they're not the norm. I had a muscat from Galilee (2015 Mt Hermon I believe) that has to be in my top ~20 but it's atypical for the style, drier and focusing on the funk.

>>14253462
>>14253488
What's your problem?

>>14253495
He's just trying to gatekeep. Honestly wine industry people are some of the fucking worst, I'm glad I left.

>>14253516
Good post, only thing I have to add is Rias Baixas from Spain is coming up on the widespread affordability and as always has consistent quality. Great food wines.

>>14255224
>switched from whiskey to wine in order to save money
Well that was dumb. Cheap but good wine is $10/bottle or $2/drink, cheap but good whiskey is $18/bottle or $1.13/drink. You can always get swill in either category but I'd rather drink gutrot whiskey than the equivalent $3 wine and they cost the same at around $0.60/drink.

[Anonymous No.14255690]

>>14255659
In my location whiskey is a minimum of 25$ this is due to spirits being strictly government operated and thus heavily taxed. Spirits hear run roughly double the price as the USA. Wine however is available to be sold in private retailors and thus tends to be closer to the 10$ mark you mentioned but tends to still be around 12 to 15$

[Anonymous No.14255712]

>>14255596
this, housewives drink chardonnay like water.

[Anonymous No.14255717]

>>14255690
It must suck to live in a third world country, my apologies.

[Anonymous No.14255722]

>>14255712
>chardonnay
>soft and sugary
Keep talking, I'm looking for a laugh.

[Anonymous No.14255750]

>>14255722
how much of a soda-binging sugar addict do you have to be to not taste how syrupy chardonnay is?

[Anonymous No.14255763]

>>14255722
not him but most american chardonnays are backsweened quite heavily
there was a push a few years ago for americans to be required to disclose what's in their wine and pretty much every california producer objected

[Anonymous No.14255767]

>>14255750
An American oaked chardonnay, sugary, sure. But that's not soft in any way, shape, or form. While you could get a fairly soft Chablis, it would not be sugary in the slightest. You chose basically the only white varietal which never exemplifies both of those characteristics due to its inherent body.

[Anonymous No.14255778]

>>14253241
>What have you been drinking /ck/?
I have philistine tastes. Sweet sherry and malbec.
>Should you cook with expensive wine?
Most likely you'll completely bury the more complex qualities in whatever you're cooking with so it's a waste.
What wines do you cook with?
Cheap red and sherry, but people say it should at least be good enough to drink on its own.

[Anonymous No.14255791]

>>14255717
It does I appreciate your sympathies.

[Anonymous No.14255861]

>>14255763
I wish it was compulsory for wine producers to disclose a wines contents.

[Anonymous No.14255890]

>>14255861
agreed, too many 40-something women drinking bogle/kendall-jackson/la crema because they think it's good for you
Also part of the reason I like Ridge, they disclose exactly what went into the wine, the harvest season, how long it was aged, what the blend was, and the forseeable ageability

[Anonymous No.14255902]

any red wine that taste like cherries or blackberries that doesn't have an awful aftertaste and feel dry as the Sahara desert?

[Anonymous No.14255936]

>>14255902
spanish grenache should fit the bill, though you could also give valpolicella ripasso a try

[Anonymous No.14255978]

>>14255936
i've been seeing valpolicella quite often when searching for that particular kind of wine

[Anonymous No.14255979]

>>14253252
is this the e150 of wine?

[Anonymous No.14255983]

>>14255902
Spend as much as you feel comfortable with on a single-varietal or pinot noir-heavy blend from Oregon, or to go cheaper seek a single-varietal pinot noir from South America or New Zealand. The younger the better.

[Anonymous No.14255992]

>>14255890
that is a fantastic process. It is non sensical that this isn't standard especially when the prices begin to rise. Additionally, it makes cellaring more convenient

[Anonymous No.14255995]

>>14255983
based

[Anonymous No.14256078]

>>14255983
the only bottle I can get my hands on in my city is a Matua Marlborough Pinot Noir 2018

[Anonymous No.14256191]

>>14253356
>>14253428
Just a warning, in Italian Moscato means A LOT of varieties. Generally it's either white or yellow, but there are a bunch of other varieties.

[Anonymous No.14256528]

Just drank the sweetest fucking wine, which tastes like cough medicine, it's so fucking disgusting I unironslly almost threw up.

[Anonymous No.14256533]

>>14256528
What wine is that?

[Anonymous No.14256541]

>>14256533
sounds like chile or argie shit

[Anonymous No.14256543]

>>14256533
Some Spanish garbage

[Anonymous No.14256607]

>>14256543
Yikes sorry you got a dud maybe make it into sangria or something.

[Anonymous No.14256785]

>>14255763
source or eat your tiny dick. this simply isnt true.

>>14255750
maybe if you buy a shit chardonnay like that - who even does that?

>>14255767
it is true that the california climate can make a grape with a higher sugar content - but everyon picks early to keep sugars lower - so they dont create too much alcohol when fermenting -otherwise it changes the taxes they have to pay and is counter to the expectations of the market. and in fact many chardonnays are quite smooth, despite their acidity. glycerin is a byproduct of fermenation, adding smoothness.

>>14255890
its cool that you like the extra information, but your expression is incorrect. they dont "disclose" anything. the weather is the same for the whole AVA kek. the data is nice, but its kinda just geek marketing.

[Anonymous No.14256807]

>>14256785
The extra info is nice but you are right. It is like knowing the winery uses traditional methods and has been with one family for 100s of years. Cool to know but its for geek marketing

[Anonymous No.14256814]

is it correct to assume that at least 75% of all wineposters on /ck/ are gay to some degree?

[Anonymous No.14256819]

>>14256814
Atleast 75% of 4chan posters appear to like traps so that may be a safe bet

[Anonymous No.14256822]

can someone recommend a good burgundy wine?

[Anonymous No.14257010]

>>14256807
i appreciate it and its cool - my point is that the same things are pretty standard across the board, lots do the same and its not some black ops disclosure
im not sure why i expect 4chan to know shit about wine

[Anonymous No.14257895]

>>14257010
Fair enough. Where do you learn about wine?

[Anonymous No.14257969]

>>14257895
work brings me in contact with some winemakers so its useful to me to have a certain knowledge of some industry bits and pieces and like a lot of others, ive just stumbled along drinking, then drinking more, and then beginning to learn a bit for real.

[Anonymous No.14257993]

>>14257969
Gotcha. Do you use any online resources?

[Anonymous No.14257994]

>>14256785
>they dont "disclose" anything
sure they do
you can see literally everything on their website, and they print most of this shit on the back label too
https://www.ridgewine.com/wines/2017-monte-bello/
>Winemaking

>Harvest Dates: 21 September – 24 October
>Grapes: Average Brix 24.9˚
>Selection: Twenty-three Monte Bello parcels
>TA: 7.42 g/L
>pH: 3.48
>Fermentation: Grapes destemmed, 100% whole berry fermentation. Automated berry sorting. Fermented on the native yeasts. Pressed at nine days. Natural malolactic.
>Barrels: 100% new air-dried oak; 95% American, 5% French
>Aging: Seventeen months in barrel

>All estate grown Monte Bello Vineyard grapes, organically farmed, hand-harvested, destemmed and sorted; fermented on the native yeasts; full malolactic on the naturally occurring bacteria; 0.10 g/L calcium carbonate added to moderate the high natural acidity in two of the twenty-nine fermenters; oak from barrel aging; minimum effective sulfur 35ppm at crush, 92ppm during aging; pad filtered at bottling. In keeping with our philosophy of minimal intervention, this is the sum of our actions.

[Anonymous No.14258023]

>>14256822
jadot bourgogne red and white are both solid values and some of the only burgundies under 20 bucks worth a shit

>>14256785
>source or eat your tiny dick. this simply isnt true.
https://wakawakawinereviews.com/2018/12/28/the-story-of-california-chardonnay-part-4/
>As the ABC movement took hold, wine lovers turned away from California Chardonnay, and restaurant wine lists throughout the United States reduced by-the-glass selections largely to only one key Chardonnay. Rombauer and Kendall Jackson Reserve became benchmarks for more generous renditions of the state’s number one variety. Kendall Jackson Reserve was launched in the mid 1980s and by the 2000s had become the standard for a rich style of Chardonnay with a bit of residual sugar. It filled a previously untapped spot in the market selling as a mid-priced wine, neither as expensive as boutique wines, nor as cheap as mere jug wine. Kendall Jackson was marketed as a wine for anyone. While its style of relying on residual sugar was less common upon its release, by the end of the 1990s it had been copied the world over.

[Anonymous No.14258183]

>>14253241
I tried this the other day and really liked it

[Anonymous No.14258374]

>>14257994
>'disclose'
welcome to standard marketing info pal

[Anonymous No.14258402]

>>14258023
'residual sugar' isnt 'backsweetened' and you have no source for "everyone objected"
and who the fuck cares about knockoff Kendall Jackson non-premium jumped up jug wine?

[Anonymous No.14258416]

>>14258023
https://wakawakawinereviews.com
nice sandwich blog
did it take you weeks of stalking moms on tumblr to find this source?

[Anonymous No.14258460]

What wine should I pair with hot dogs? I need a red. I'm buying a Pinot noir tomorrow, unless I am swayed.

[Anonymous No.14258469]

>>14258460
i prefer an Opus One or a Screaming Eagle, goes best with undercooked boiled hotdogs in soft big box store buns

[Anonymous No.14258474]

pairing is s gay, i drink red wine with fish and don't give a fuck

[Anonymous No.14258475]

>>14257993
guild somm has some nice shit some times - some nice long reads
i keep few tabs on some twitterati

[Anonymous No.14258494]

>>14255243
Nice man, let us know what you think!

[Anonymous No.14258498]

>>14258494
I shall do no such thing, faggaroo.

[Anonymous No.14258500]

>>14255596
Yeah, if you buy them from a gas station.

[Anonymous No.14258508]

>>14255659
>Honestly wine industry people are some of the fucking worst, I'm glad I left.
Funny because I'm in the wine trade and I still can't figure out what he was losing his mind over.

[Anonymous No.14258510]

>>14255979
Nah just your regular old california 'wine'

[Anonymous No.14258529]

>>14256191
'Moscato' as its known internationally is predominantly Moscato Bianco though I think.

[Anonymous No.14258544]

>>14258183
The vouv is great.

[Anonymous No.14258549]

red wine @ costco?

[Anonymous No.14258559]

>>14258549
I'm sure there are bargains to be found, but I'd be discerning.

[Anonymous No.14258567]

>>14258494
>>14255243

So i just had some Cockfighter's Ghost Semillon with roasted chicken thighs and it was delicious!! Really fruity and floral. Tasted some tropical notes coconut and passion fruit maybe? Alot of honey and a little grassy. It was very good. Sorry for my beginner tasting notes.

[Anonymous No.14258575]

>>14258567
Thanks to the anon who recommend hunters valley Semillon

[Anonymous No.14258611]

>>14258567
>>14258575
No worries man. I prefer to age it so the oak settles down and integrates into the wine more.

Perfectly good tasting notes to me!

[Anonymous No.14258694]

>>14258611
Do you have a proper wine cellar to age in? Or do you allow it to age some other way?

[Anonymous No.14258701]

do you guys gargle the wine?

[Anonymous No.14258707]

>>14258701
Swish to allow aeration yes but I do not gargle.

[Anonymous No.14258727]

>>14258707
>he doesnt aerate between two glasses

[Anonymous No.14258748]

>>14258694
Just a wine fridge. Thinking of upgrading to one with more bottles.

[Anonymous No.14258753]

>>14258701
why would anyone gargle wine?

[Anonymous No.14258770]

>>14258748
Ah gotcha. I dont know how big your looking to go but my Father -inlaw has a 44 Bottle Lanbo and loves it. I dont know much about wine fridges but he swears by it.

[Anonymous No.14258779]

>>14258544
Not a big wine drinker, but the lady at the store recommended it and it made me want to try more stuff. I know the basics but just haven't explored much

[Anonymous No.14258782]

>>14253241
I will drink literally anything as long as it doesn't come from the Napa Valley.

[Anonymous No.14258784]

Are you supposed to do anything special for red wine or can you drink a glass from a freshly opened bottle?

[Anonymous No.14258805]

>>14258784
You can just taste away. But, in some cases people prefer to cellar bottles they believe will improve with age.

[Anonymous No.14258811]

>>14258805
What about putting it in a blender

[Anonymous No.14258820]

>>14258811
Its your wine do what you like. Ive heard its supposed to improve the taste as if it has aged but I have no evidence to support if this is true.

[Anonymous No.14258901]

>>14258820
wine is a colloid - a number of molecules suspended in a mix of liquids.
the degree to which they rest and intertwine, and have some intertwine and drop out, alters the flavor of a wine.
some wines, despite their seeiming big taste - are actually quite fragile and a few off flavors or aromas will overwhelm the good.

so rest allows settlement, and rest allows for some complexity to develop and to keep things integrated. most wines arent released unless they are ready to be opened. a red can typically age longer, as it has rougher flavors that need to rest - but ive had some really fucking good 10 yr old chardonnays (unoaked even).
getting some oxygen into the wine helps us tast it and having it not too cold is good.

[Anonymous No.14258905]

>>14258782
said the cuk

[Anonymous No.14258920]

>>14258782
ABNV.winecuk.lonelymilf.eu

is this you?

[Anonymous No.14259115]

>>14258770
I have over 400 bottles now so I really need to upgrade to get them off the floor of my room. Also I luckily inherited my current one off my Bordeaux drinking dad, but unluckily it is made for Bordeaux so it's harder to fit my Burgundy-style bottles in.

>>14258779
Look for Mosel Rieslings if you want something with similar acidity and sweetness.

[Anonymous No.14259612]

>>14259115
Yeah I liked the sort of tartness from it. It reminded me of a good apple.

[Anonymous No.14259640]

sometimes i slam a bottle of shiraz before bed

[Anonymous No.14259838]

>>14258811
Hyper decanting is very intriguing. Does anyone here do it?

[Anonymous No.14259861]

>>14259838
i wouldnt do this
as above - wine is a colloid that someone put a lot of time into having it sit just right so that mole molecules got all nicely intertwined and youre gonna fuck it up?

[Anonymous No.14259974]

>>14259861
Makes sense. After some farther research it seems like a cheap trick for lower quality wines.

[Anonymous No.14260003]

>>14259861
Any evidence that blending wine changes the molecular structure of the wine? Sounds a little over the top to me.

[Anonymous No.14260097]

I want to know what a stereotypical oaky, heavy California chard tastes like but I don't want a complete shit one. Which should I buy at the $25 range?

[Anonymous No.14260121]

For $25 dollar range American chard that’s good, try the snitch by prisoner wine company, very renown and what youre looking for. Anyone on here discrediting or not getting around to American wines is dumbbbbbb. Some of the best wines come from Napa Sonoma and Paso Robles but that’s just a fraction of everything that’s actually out there