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Is French food a meme? I'm wondering if pic-related would make me a better cook.

>> No.13964177

>>13964132
are omelettes a meme?

>> No.13964183

>>13964132
It's french cooking watered down for midwestern american tastes (boiled meat and casseroles), so no.

>> No.13964220

>>13964183
Is actual French cooking a meme?

>> No.13964334

>>13964183
liar

>> No.13964384

>>13964132
French cooking is the basis of all modern western cooking.
Its rich and hearty with a lot of focus on technique and ingredients. Mostly built around fats like cream or butter or rendered pork fat.

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>>13964132
I'd recommend reading a translated original work. I think there is some merit to learning italian cooking first, because it is more focused on straightforward recipes that extremely rely on the quality of one or two ingredients. I think the standard literature there is the silver spoon (phaidon)

>> No.13964510

>>13964132
Probably make you a better cook. The importance of french cooking is all the different techniques you learn, and sauces.

These can then be applied to basically any other food you want to cook. I'm sure similar practices could be done with other cuisines, but french is universal.

e.g. roux, sauce, vinaigrette, stock, terrine, mirepoix, mise en place etc.

All these words are french, but will be used in a lot of kitchens.

>> No.13964518

>>13964334
Try her roast chicken recipe and tell me it compares with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJeUb8ToRIw&feature=emb_logo

>> No.13964523

>>13964413
Silver spoon looks good. Is Larousse Gastronomique good?

>> No.13965135

>>13964518
>jamie oliver
yeah julia child's is better

>> No.13965139

>>13964510
>mise en place
i never do this but when i do it makes things so much easier
just so much setup involved

>> No.13965375

>>13964510
Is it a good pathway to go from regular person who cooks recipes at home to someone with actual culinary skill?

>> No.13965694

>>13964518
>that fucking link
Here I was thinking you were going to post Pepin or someone.

>> No.13965710

>>13965375
That requires practice. If you go through and make each of these recipes once, you'll get better, but will likely not have a lot of skill.

Making lots of dishes on a regular basis would allow you to gain real knowledge. Start cooking as many of your meals as possible. Volunteer to cook for family gatherings, cooking for a lot of people is much different that dinner at home. Cook with other people and friends, especially if you know anyone that is a cook.

A cool thing I did once was volunteer in a soup kitchen. People really appreciate it if you take it seriously and make something that isn't slop. We would cook for 200+ people, and it was only 4 of us in the kitchen. Made me feel good, was an ego boost, and learned a few things too.

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>>13964132
Of all well known cook books in English, this is the one. Best of all it's freely available on archive.org.

https://archive.org/details/JuliaChildMasteringTheArtOfFrenchCooking

>> No.13965749

>>13964518
I've done her roast chicken and it's great, this video is shit, clearly burnt herbs all over it

>> No.13965775

>>13964413
>I think there is some merit to learning italian cooking first because it is more focused on straightforward recipes that extremely rely on the quality of one or two ingredients
It's very important to learn the importance of good quality. Now if you have good quality ingredients, it's very easy to eat good. Slice a tomato, add some basil leaves, olive oil, balsamic, salt and maybe pepper, and it will taste delicious. Italian cooking relies a lot on the quality ingredients.

With french cooking, you learn to make the best of what you have. (I'm not saying that the french doesn't have high quality ingredients like the italian). And this is maybe what's most relevant for most people on most occasions.

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>>13965736
Thanks anon

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>>13964183
The fuck you talking about?

>> No.13966092

>>13964523
It's not for the home cook. There's very little hard information such as measurements and temperatures beyond 'very hot oven' and the like.
Plus the recipes are entirely from scratch so you have to know how to make the prep items of larger recipes.
It's full of good cooking advice but it's not something you refer to when you're just whipping up some dinner.

>> No.13966106

>>13964132
>French food a meme?
Pretty much. But what foods aren't?

>> No.13966303

>>13965375
yes, if you keep at it. julia's recipes tend a little bit to the elaborate side at times but she's a fabulous explainer and she always recommends sides and an appropriate wine choice

>> No.13966316
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>>13964413
this the classic english language italian cookery book

>> No.13967092

>>13965710
Thanks for your answer. I'm going to go ahead and get better and cooking in general before going down the French rabbit hole.

>> No.13967128

>>13964132
That book is one of the best. You should get it

>> No.13967375

>>13964132
Read Les Halles Cookbook by Anthony Bourdain. Make the Soup de Poisson and then the brandade the morue. Fall in love with French peasant cooking. Then flirt with Italian food and realize that they are only good for amaretto and cars.

>> No.13967385

>>13964132
Try and find a copy of Jacques and Julia. It’s a collaboration cookbook between Julia Childs and Jacques Pepin. Absolutely fantastic.

>> No.13967390

>>13964132
i'm a frenchman and i only eat man ass with mayonnaise

>> No.13967397

>>13966303
Yeah she turned me on to red rice soubise and now I use it for fish dishes all the time and braised meats too if you want.

>> No.13967406

The so called touristic French restaurant are a meme just like japanese restaurant (owned by chinese) here in the west.
Actual French cuisine is varied and regional and awesome.
Paris =/= France

>> No.13967416

>>13964132
The one thing from French cuisine that I want to get right is sauces. If i can make a good sauce I can help any dish.

>> No.13967441

>>13967416
Buy frozen demiglace. Don’t bother making stock unless you are making a 25 pound batch

>> No.13967463

>>13965736
Absolutely based. Thank you for this, I almost bought a copy

>> No.13968011

no

>> No.13968988

>>13964132
its pretty handy to have around just for inspiration, lots of vegetable+sauce dishes that are great and easy to make with what you have on hand

it's also laid out really well, ingredients are put where you use them and she always has a few tips for each recipe about how to serve if you're waiting for guests or if a sauce breaks or how to store it

>> No.13969013

Anyone got a link for "I know how to cook"?

>> No.13969134

>>13969013
https://archive.org/details/iknowhowtocook0000unse/page/12/mode/2up

I hate this DRM bullshit, so I'm working on a quick script to download each page as an image and slap them all together into a pdf. Stay tuned.

>> No.13969175

>>13969134
Hey cheers anon, much appreciated.

>> No.13969201

>>13967092
Sorry if that was misinterpreted. You can definitely start with french cooking, it is an excellent place to start because of the universal concepts.

I just meant if you want real skill, learn the techniques from those different dishes, like sauces, stocks, roasting, frying, baking, and slow cooking, and cook them often and apply them to other recipes.

Good luck man, it's a really fun hobby to pick up.

>> No.13969298

>>13969175
This is proving more annoying than I anticipated, but I'll be done soon.

>> No.13969560

>>13969013
>>13969134
>>13969175
>>13969298
>2 hours later
I really hate DRM bullshit. Here it is; let me know if you want the original (half-gigabyte of) images.

https://easyupload.io/good8c

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13969638

>>13969560
holy shit anon, you won the internet today

>> No.13970386

>>13969560
Based
Mods, sticky!

>> No.13970868
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13970868

MAaAaaaAaAahhhh the French cooking has always been celebrated for its excellence.There is a California cook known as Julia Child, inspired by that same French excellence.

>> No.13971691

>>13969560
Based

>> No.13971843

>>13964132
Julia Child is a legend. Before her cookbooks came out, most American household cuisine consisted of steamed peas carrots and boiled chicken.

>> No.13971904

>>13971843
To be fair, that sounds very healthy.

>> No.13971985

>roux, sauce, vinaigrette, stock, terrine, mirepoix, mise en place etc.
this guy knows. I think its called the holy trio of the kitchen which are mirepoix, terrine and roux and are the basis of cooking. I think at all prestigious cooking schools they test you strictly on how well you can perform the three as they are the basis to many recipes. French cooking is not a meme just like exercise is to the body, this style of cooking is used to hone and put forth an exemplary skill in presentation and flavor.

>> No.13972382

i work (or guess now worked) at a french restaurant. what the fuck is the appeal of mousse? i like to think i'm quite open minded when it comes to different foods but that shit sucks

>> No.13973156

>>13964132
Beurre hon hon

>> No.13974019

>>13970868
at /tv/ this would have been hilarious

>> No.13974253

>>13965694
Me too, so here's Pepin teaching you to debone a chicken in one piece. His record is like 35 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfY0lrdXar8

>> No.13974254

>>13966316
2nd on Hasan. She's great.

>> No.13974258

>>13966106
French is probably the one non-meme cuisine. You can apply the lessons you learn making french food to any other cuisine to make it way better.

>> No.13974272

>>13964510
>terrine

terrine is a fucking meme and I have literally never heard of any practical use for knowing how to make one outside of making a terrine. everything else is golden though

>> No.13974308

I blindly follow instructions. My dishes taste good but I don't ever go beyond the recipe nor do I understand how tastes and ingredients work together.

>> No.13974404

>>13964183
Thanks anon! You just saved me a lot of time and money! I was very close to buying this but I've thought this might be the case. Americans ruin everything.

>> No.13974415

>>13967375
Kiss me you cynical bastard!

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>>13974308
Don't feel too bad anon, nor do I! I was thinking this book might help this or the flavour bible at least!

>> No.13974505

>>13974404
>>13974415
>>13974470
Welcome to the thread, Anon! I hope you have a wonderful time!

>> No.13974506

As other anons have already mentioned, French cuisine is worth learning not so much because you'll learn to make French food, but because its techniques are invaluable to any kind of Western cooking really. Once you have a grasp of French culinary techniques you can elevate ordinary ingredients into something really good and have the building blocks for pretty much any European cuisine.

>> No.13974515

>>13974505
Sorry for the spam! Got over excited I guess....

>> No.13974547

>>13974404
>You just saved me a lot of time and money!
I doubt it.

>> No.13975396

>>13974404
You realise that someone posted a freely-downloadable digital copy here: >>13965736

>> No.13976121

>>13975396
Another one? Tonight's my night I guess. Thanks Anon, I owe you one. ''kisses anon on cheek before running off to download aforementioned book.'

>> No.13977119

>>13969201
The way French cooking is more about learning techniques than recipes is interesting.

>> No.13977138

>>13964132
tl;dr: Just cook everything in cream and then douse it with butter and cheese.

>> No.13977139

No, not a meme. You should be familiar with all five of the mother sauces in French cuisine as a start.

>> No.13977518

>>13964220
the seasoning combinations are maybe a little limited compared to what's available now
but the techniques are rock-solid and rigorously tested

>> No.13977523

you're a fucking meme, shithead
go post another mc chicken thread

>> No.13977733

>>13976121
Thanks, now I'm going to die of covid.