/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.13884772]

For me it's Octomore, the best Islay on the market

[Anonymous No.13884775]

>>13884772
For me, it's Islay Whisky snus.

[Anonymous No.13884842]

>>13884772
I havent tried that, but i imagine its nice if you can afford it. Its not outrageously priced but I find there are a lot of decent, cheaper Islays available. Plenty of Laphroaig, Lagavulin and Ardbeg available for a third of the cost. They might not be the 'best' but i think id have a hard time justifying spending three times the amount when something like Ardbeg Uigeadail is already a very decent whisky.

Personally I prefer to get more expensive Speysides/Highland whiskys. I think that the step up in quality from a £50 bottle to a £150 bottle is much better with them than it is with Islays (although thats limited experience).

[Anonymous No.13884854]

>>13884842
I hard Ardbeg and Lagavulin as well.
They're all nice, and very different

[Anonymous No.13884993]

>OH MUH ASHTRAY LET ME LICK IT

[Anonymous No.13885019]

>>13884842
>Its not outrageously priced
I think it is. 7.3 goes for $275.

I think you're bang on with your estimation of older Speysides / Highlanders though.

[Anonymous No.13885047]

>>13884772
For me its the botanist island gin. the best islay on the market.

[Anonymous No.13886732]

>>13885047
Pretty good gin. Shame that good gin is a complete waste of money.

[Anonymous No.13886749]

What does ck think of pic related?

[Anonymous No.13886754]

>>13884775
based snus, it does go really well with drinking though

[Anonymous No.13886999]

>>13886749
If you can afford better, you should buy better.

If you cant afford better, then you probably dont really care too much about what you drink.

[Anonymous No.13887004]

15 years ago, malts were so much better. laphroaig 10 from 2005 and laphroaig 10 that you can buy at a store right now are like night and day.

[Anonymous No.13887020]

>>13884772
For you its dicks in your ass, best fucking OP hobby ever.

[Anonymous No.13887036]

>>13887004
I remember the old 10 year Laphroaig still to this day, I had it in '99. It better not be shit now.

[Anonymous No.13887070]

>>13887036
I never tried it when it was 'so much better' but there was a period about 7 years ago on /b/ in drinking threads when Laph 10 was memed really hard. Every fucker would go on and on about it.

Anyway, it got more expensive and the quality apparently went down as so often happens with whiskies when they get popular.

[Anonymous No.13887182]

>>13884772
I'll ask in the designated al/ck/ thread, how good or how bad is it that workers at 2 different liquor stores recognize me well enough to not ID me?

[Anonymous No.13887217]

>>13887182
It isn't good or bad. It only matters to you.

[Anonymous No.13887243]

>>13884772
>went to get my first laph 10
>they were out
>got Redbreast 12 instead
The alternative was Glendronach 12.

[Anonymous No.13887282]

>>13887243

I think id get the Redbreast 12, although the Laph 10 is nice. I love Glendronach and its probably my favourite distillery, but the older versions are significantly better. If you are going to get one, get the 15 as a minimum (but preferably the 18/21).

[Anonymous No.13887314]

>>13887243
I tried Redbreast 12 and 21 and was really let down.
Didn’t at all live up to the hype I’ve seen around them

[Anonymous No.13887379]

>>13887314
ireland can be skipped entirely desu

[Anonymous No.13887457]

>>13887314
Yeah, Im drinking it now. It’s good, but I don’t think it’s worth the price. It’s like $69 state minimum. The Glendronach was the same price though.

[Anonymous No.13887481]

>>13887314
Why didnt you like them?

My experience with Irish whisky has been that its less complex and less 'deep' tasting than scotch. As a trade off you get more smoothness. I havent tried any older Irish though, so curious if this is still the case?

[Anonymous No.13888087]

Longrow Peated is better than Lagavulin 16, Ardbeg 10 or Laphroaig 10.

[Anonymous No.13888091]

>muh peat
god i hate peatards

[Anonymous No.13888263]

Has anyone else here tried anything from wolfburn? I had some at a festival last month and thought it had a lot going for it.

[Anonymous No.13888306]

>>13888091
haha drink me some smok

[Anonymous No.13888459]

>2020
>not appreciating both the smokiest peatbombs and the sweetest sherrybombs

[Anonymous No.13888482]

>>13886749
>>13886999
Honestly, it's not bad blend but I'd be using more for scotch and sodas and rob Roy's.

[Anonymous No.13888486]

>>13888459
I'm over sherrybombs desu but I still like peat. First fill single cask is the true patrician choice however

[Anonymous No.13888495]

the more i learn about bourbon, the more i realize how much more interesting it is than scotch.

[Anonymous No.13888639]

>>13888495
Care to elaborate? Just curious as I find scotch more interesting but I'd be happy to hear more about bourbon from an enthusiast.

[Anonymous No.13889000]

>>13888459
I can’t stand sherried whisky. Gives me a headache.
It’s too acidic and wine-y

[Anonymous No.13889002]

>>13888495
Both are good, and for different moods.

[Anonymous No.13889229]

>>13887004
I suspect whisky may get better over long periods of time in the bottle.
I've tried a couple of bottom shelf blends bottles 60 years ago and they were all fantastic.
So even drinking an old and new bottle side by side may not be a fair comparison. Let alone your memory of a dram had years ago.

[Anonymous No.13889667]

>>13888495
Please elaborate. Most bourbon is just rebranded MGP, most insincere whiskey experience possible. Seriously the history of bourbon is one of distillers and bottlers mixing product and claiming/labeling spirit they had no hand in producing. That's the whole reason bottled-in-bond came around, because bourbon distillers hardly gave a shit about quality control, let alone pride in their product.

Whereas with single-malt producers, distillers will teaspoon whiskey because they don't want anyone fucking with their product.

[Anonymous No.13889859]

>>13887070
Yeah popularity kills whiskey, gonfirmed

[Anonymous No.13889912]

>>13886754
never tried snus. what's it like?

[Anonymous No.13889932]

>researching whiskey
>come across a reddit link
>decide, yea whatever, I’ll check it out
>guy has taste 400 whiskies chimes in
>this is his grading scale
I don’t understand why you woukd have a 100-points grading scale where only 30 of them matter and you’re basically discarding the other 70. Like what’s the point? If a 69 and a 6 are the same, why even have that difference.
>other reviewers had similarly superfluous scales
I really don’t want to come across like one of these fags when talking about whiskey irl

[Anonymous No.13889988]

>>13889932
7/10 to 10/10 is how most people rate most things.
If you go to an online whisky shop and see something rated 80 points, that's a clear sign it's trash.
Everyone with skin in the game knows to only give positive reviews, and that honestly omitting bad reviews devalues your time so you should lie or rate nothing.

Personally I rate on a more realistic scale
10 - Phenomenal
9 - Favourite
8 - Good value
7 - Solidly above average
6 - Above average
5 - Average
4 - Below Average
3 - Bad
2 - Punishment
1 - Sink.

Good review sites (like the IMDB of old) would normalise peoples scores before adding them to the site wide average.

[Anonymous No.13889998]

>>13889988
That’s why I like the soctchnoob.

[Anonymous No.13890017]

>>13889998
His taste seems all over the place

I go for the opposite approach and watch Horst's reviews. He doesn't score anything.

[Anonymous No.13890056]

>>13889667
Funny, I've head the opportunity to speak to a couple of distillers from Scotland and Ireland. Both were very enthusiastic about North American Whiskey and said this is currently the most interesting scene to follow. Sounds like you haven't had the opportunity to try quality stuff or you're just a tryhard talking out of your ass. Also, I'm not American, before you feel tempted to hurl that at me as an insult.

[Anonymous No.13890141]

>>13885047
Fuck Yes. Botanist gin is an absolute belter. Skip the tonic and have it with Soda Water and rosemary or thyme with orange or grapefruit as a garnish. Maximise your wankery by smoking the herbs (just use a lighter no need for anything else) and you've got a 10/10

[Anonymous No.13890146]

>>13890056
That's a very obscure and surprising opinion from the distillery scene

[Anonymous No.13890562]

>>13889229
What I've heard whiskey don't age in bottles like wine do, doesn't matter if you store a closed bottle over decades, the flavours wouldn't change
I think it's more likey they used better batches to blend with

[Anonymous No.13890849]

>>13890056
guy you responded to here

>just a tryhard talking out of your ass
lol actually yeah. I'm an American too. what I posted is what I've gathered from 3 months of obsessively browsing whiskey threads on 4chan and reddit, plus my personal experience tasting highly-rated bourbons. buffalo trace, blantons, IW harper, all basically taste the same to me. Bookers and stagg jr are the only two bourbons that have significantly different character in my opinon. I've read lots about how there's a bunch of 'craft' stuff like whistlepig that's just rebranded MGP.

[Anonymous No.13890952]

>>13890849
Woodford Reserve Double Oaked has a significantly different character to it. Super oaky.
Four Roses Single Barrel and Old Grand-Dad 114 have a significantly different character to them. Tons of rye spice.

[Anonymous No.13891020]

>>13890952
I'm a scotch guy mostly but I do like me some bourbon or especially american rye once in a while. Might have to grab some. Got any favorites? Bourbon I like 4 Rose's single barrel best but I usually settle for old granddad as it's cheap and makes great cocktails. For rye I like willet family reserve or millstone (its dutch but excellent) but I cant get the willet in canada and the millstone is like 100 leafbux so I settle for rittenhouse

[Anonymous No.13891140]

>>13890849
>all basically taste the same to me.
i'm sorry you had an accident where you lost your taste buds.

4 roses has excellent propositions, as does heaven hill (rittenhouse is god tier stuff), buffalo trace has several brands that are world class, angel's envy is doing good things and the list goes on.

[Anonymous No.13891843]

>>13889912
>well rounded taste with a solid buzz
>less nicotine than than American dip, but far better flavor and pouches
>General mint snus is my go-to

[Anonymous No.13892106]

>>13890562
Wine goes in the bin after 5-10 years.
I'm talking some level of oxidation over 20+. It's not continuing to ferment.

[Anonymous No.13892115]

>>13891140
angels envy is finished mgp

[Anonymous No.13892150]

>>13890017
I like Horst but a lot of times he doesn't give a real in depth review of the flavors, the Whiskey Vault channel is kind of annoying but the reviewers there do tend to give pretty detailed reviews and even do side by side comparisons of similar whiskies.

[Anonymous No.13892259]

>>13892150
I'm amused by this.
If Horst didn't give it a lot of detail he didn't like it / it didn't have a lot going on.
The Whisky vault is a marketing company and they offer overwhelmingly positive reviews for literally everything. It's truly useless, and I have been punished for following their advice before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZOM8BfgHvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3hnnYgRSJE&t=293s..

[Anonymous No.13892831]

>>13884772

>meme bottle

Ignore

[Anonymous No.13892842]

>>13892259
>I'm amused by this.
you sound like a fat pretentious faggot.

[Anonymous No.13892871]

>>13892831
Stick to evan William's kid

[Anonymous No.13892883]

>>13892842
I make a point. Someone agrees. Then this guy says he does the opposite and doesn't realise it. Very amusing. Stay mad.

[Anonymous No.13892889]

Pic related is honestly 10/10, I switched from Straight Bourbon to Straight Rye a while back now.

The Bourbon is just to sweet and candied for me, a good quality Rye has Licorice, BlackBerry, Honey, Leather and pepper notes without tasting like candy corn.

Rye>Bourbon, trust me and give pic related a try.

[Anonymous No.13892895]

>>13892889
is it better than rittenhouse or sazerac?

[Anonymous No.13892897]

>>13892883
you sound like that fat loser making taco bell threads.

[Anonymous No.13892902]

>>13890849
WhistlePig actually started as Casks of Straight Rye from Canada that was shipped over and transferred over to Charred White Oak Casks and aged for 10yrs, they are now making there own Rye.

It’s good stuff but a bit over priced, Straight Rye is my favorite by the way.

[Anonymous No.13892904]

>>13892897
keep projecting

[Anonymous No.13892926]

>>13892895
Yes, and by leaps and bounds.

Rittenhouse is good but not comparable and actually made by the same distillery (Heaven Hill), and Sazerac doesn’t even come close.

The Pikesville is 6yr Straight Rye done to perfection, it’s Unsweetened Licorice with Ripe Blackberries and Honey on the nose, those scents transfer into flavor on the sip but with added Dark Maple Syrup and Oak and Spice finish.

It’s 55% abv and is so dark it looks like Maple Syrup in the bottle, this whiskey is not overly sweet like Bourbon it is very complex.

Give it a go for sure.

[Anonymous No.13893005]

>>13888495
Some of it is great. Most is just a huge let-down for the price.

The good stuff from the Buffalo Trace collection is fantastic, yeah. Ditto on the good old forester releases, booker's, baker's...but honestly a lot of bourbon, rye, wheat that's built up as some amazing thing just fucking sucks.

"port barrel finished" bourbon oftentimes just tastes worse than something like old crow or evan williams. Just tastes over-oaked and if you're reaching a bit perhaps moreso of dried fruit than some bottom shelf bourbon. they are putting the gimmicks ahead of quality with a lot of this stuff.

[Anonymous No.13893028]

>>13892926
well done, fagoot. you're a good salesman.

[Anonymous No.13893029]

>>13893005
On Angels Envy you have to try the Barrel Proof Straight Bourbon, the Port finish really pops at the end on higher proof.

Also the Rum Barrel finished Straight Rye is crazy good in the unique Straight Whiskey category, its more expensive than the Port finish Straight Bourbon but it lives up to the price.

[Anonymous No.13893035]

>>13893028
You made a top choice, have this pic related taken just for you.

This shit is god tier.

[Anonymous No.13893040]

>>13885047
Is it that good though? I had a bottle years ago, but I didn't think that it was anything special.

[Anonymous No.13893165]

>>13893035
>he didn't stock up on N95s or P100s in December when it was already obvious shit was hitting the fan

[Anonymous No.13893201]

>>13884772
does anyone else save their bottles for collecting? everytime I drink a new bottle(one i dont already have) I put the bottle on my shelf and take a sharpy and write a number on the bottle out of 10/10 of how i liked it.

[Anonymous No.13893218]

>>13893201
The wine barrel is not port I cannot remember what kind it was but it’s a great fruity/floral finish the normal bourbon leaves something to be desired. Might send a bottle to the reddit vault

[Anonymous No.13893222]

>>13893165
My surgical mask and strong whiskey breath will protect me better than your n95 mask and strong semen breath.

[Anonymous No.13893239]

>>13893165
Best part of being /k/ I was already prepped

[Anonymous No.13893249]

okay /ck/ with a 350 dollar budget what do I get with my trump bux I was thinking Dalmore 18 but as someone who prefers bourbon and Islay's also hates rye what would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.13893250]

>>13893239
are you gonna shoot at the virus or what? is that how american medicine works?

[Anonymous No.13893259]

so /ck/
What is the best you have ever had?
your go to?
wish you could remember?
most unique?
worst?
best value?
worse value?
wish people wouldn't drink?
hate when people say they like it?
well /ck/?

[Anonymous No.13893269]

>>13893250
I live on 80 acres I was a veternary surgical tech for years so I jacked literally thousands worth of masks,gloves and medical equipment. I have over 20 boxes of 12 packs of MRE's ill be good for a while on my ration plan plus im not a retard and put 10% of my pay check into my savings so while im off work if I need shit/bills I have over 10k in my bank account.

[Anonymous No.13893275]

>>13893269
also should say I can post pictures of surgeries if nigs want to see them

[Anonymous No.13893276]

>>13893239
with the literal worst bottle of bourbon on the market
nice one

[Anonymous No.13893280]

>>13893275
yeah i mean, why the hell not

[Anonymous No.13893285]

>>13893276
kys four roses single barrel is literally the best shit in the 40 dollar range

[Anonymous No.13893286]

>>13893276
this is the single barrel

[Anonymous No.13893287]

>>13893259
My whole thing is... Make Rye Great Again.

Bourbon for the most part is being turned into hipster, candy liquor.

Rye was America’s first true spirit and was distilled and sold 3 to 1 over Bourbon before Prohibition, after Prohibition the Hipster celebrities started coming out with low proof Bourbon and also French mixed drinks.

I came from Straight Bourbon and moved on to Straight Rye, Rye is a superior Whiskey in every way when done right.

[Anonymous No.13893289]

>>13893280
Abscess after 3 months of non treatment

[Anonymous No.13893300]

>>13893289
friend of the clinic found in dead momma possum pouch if you want full tier surgery pics i have a cat whos leg we amputated and a rabbit necroposy

[Anonymous No.13893306]

>>13893289
You are derailing a good thread, most people don’t want to see that. And that’s not what they are here for, just saying.

[Anonymous No.13893309]

>>13893287
>Rye is a superior Whiskey in every way when done right.
idk dog when you have charred oak you already get spice for me and the rye spice ruins it for me I get why folks like rye but imo corn mash all the way

[Anonymous No.13893315]

>>13893306
well ill stop posting because your right I am derailing but the nig did ask

[Anonymous No.13893365]

wat order

[Anonymous No.13893450]

>>13893365
You best change your order, that site has a mistake where they are selling Peerless Rye for $30.99 at 750ml.

That’s almost 1/3 what the going rate is everywhere else.

Pic related...

[Anonymous No.13893478]

>>13893287
Holy shit, imagine being this guy and calling anyone else, especially post-prohibition whiskey producers, "hipsters".

[Anonymous No.13893631]

>>13893478
Have fun with your 40% abv candy corn water fag boy.

[Anonymous No.13894629]

>>13893269
>I jacked
sounds like you belong in a cognac thread instead bud.

[Anonymous No.13894663]

>>13886732
Can you explain?

[Anonymous No.13894920]

>>13894663
Not him but it's cheap to produce, sells for the same amount as whisky that's been sitting around for 10 years, and 95% of the time I'm making cocktails with gin so unless it's a martini a less expensive gin works just as well. I do love botanist though I just buy it very sparingly. Goes surprisingly good with a Nicaraguan cigar.

[Anonymous No.13895163]

>>13894920
I always thought it were the botanicals that set the price. I have no experience with Whiskey, but considering what anons post, 30 euros don't seem that much for a botanist. I got my beefeater for 20 euros per liter which isn't that much more than my wine. I am sure that for cocktails you can get cheaper gin without loosing much quality, but I drink mine either with water or tonic.

[Anonymous No.13895185]

>>13893309
This is one of these botflys right? Disgusting parasites, hope I never have to see them where I live.

[Anonymous No.13895363]

>>13894663
My reason for saying that is basically along the lines of the other reply.

Gin is almost always mixed. After youve mixed the gin, its almost pointless having spend £40 on a bottle, when youd barely know the difference between that and a £20 bottle.

For most drinks, mid tier gin is just fine, and actually quite decent. Plenty of gins in the bombay/hendricks/tanq price range that are perfectly drinkable. They hold up well in a gin and tonic or something similar where the gin isnt completely overpowered.

I came to this conclusion having been through quite a few bottles - Monkey 47, The Botanist, Adnams First Rate, Adnams Copper House, Bathtub Gin to name a few. My conclusions was that they are great, and if i was having a martini, i would use an expensive gin. But when it comes to mixing and its 50/50 gin to mixer, middle tier gin is 95% as good for 50% of the price.

[Anonymous No.13895390]

>>13895163
Tbh that's not much of upcharge. In leaf land botanist is closing in on $60 whereas you can find tanqueray or beefeater for under 25 if you look.

[Anonymous No.13895447]

>>13895363
Your argument seems really odd. If you mix whiskey like that then it doesn't matter either if you have a expensive bottle or not. There is literally nothing different about gin in that aspect. In the most popular gin drinks, G&T, Martini, Negroni, the gin is important. It just sounds like you don't like these and prefer gin & juice or something.

[Anonymous No.13895514]

>>13895363
> When mixing
I can agree on that

[Anonymous No.13895521]

>>13893029
The price on both of those is not justified for me. Sorry im not into bourbon enough to want to hunt those down

There was some other port finished bourbon i had called Isaac bowman something. $65 and kinda unbalanced and sickly sweet. It's too much dawg

[Anonymous No.13895524]

>>13884772
>"for me"

--->plebbit

[Anonymous No.13895534]

>>13895390
I mean transport should basically be the same

[Anonymous No.13895563]

>>13895524
Lol tourist

[Anonymous No.13895639]

>>13895447
Not him but I find the bang for the buck isnt there. In a martini or something similarly gin forward ya sure. But for a negroni? Maybe once in a while but the negroni has a lot of flavors that balanced by gin.same with g and t. Ginnisnt really the star. I'd rather spend extra on nicer tonic desu. And in so.ething like a last word I find a lot of nicer, more nuanced gin gets lost completely and that tanqueray is preferable. Obviously, just my opinion. You just have to decide if it's worth it you personally.

[Anonymous No.13895677]

>>13895447
>If you mix whiskey like that then it doesn't matter either if you have a expensive bottle or not.
But no one buying a $40+ bottle of whisky is making many cocktails at home. They buy that to drink it neat. Plus it takes about at least a decade to make a good scotch people are worth paying big bucks for. Gin takes almost no real time compared to that and yet they’re charging the same or more. The botnaicals may be high quality, but why not make your own compound gin? I could probably serve you an expensive store bought gin and a compound one I made myself and you wouldn’t be abke to tell me that one was really worth significantly more than the other. The same doesn’t apply to whisky. Young grain taste like young grain, aged stuff is noticeably different. Expensive gin isn’t worth the price tag unless you’re really drinking it neat most of the time and even then I thinn it would be more rewarding to make your own.

[Anonymous No.13895831]

>buy this out of boredom
>initially tastes like toffee, followed by nail polish
>gradually tastes more and more like milk chocolate, until it's just milk chocolate and honey start-to-finish

I was surprised that it's actually decent but 1) it needs to breathe 2) it would be significantly better if it was 10 years old and 3) it has no business being almost 60 bucks

[Anonymous No.13897149]

>>13895831

I'm quite fond of this one. It's like Canadian whisky, but without that cloyingly sweet quality that makes so much of it shit.

[Anonymous No.13897157]

>>13895447
>If you mix whisky quality doesnt matter as much
>Gin is no different
I agree

>The most popular drinks are G&T, Martini, Negroni
So of the three most popular drinks, they are all mixed. Only the martini is more than 50% gin once mixed.

I like these cocktails, and will drink more of them in the summer. I dont advocate using bottom tier gin, but I do think you can use mid tier gin, save a decent amount of money per bottle and get a drink that is almost identical to one with expensive gin. I think that unless its a martini, or you are drinking it neat or on the rocks, you can do just fine on mid tier gin.

[Anonymous No.13897178]

>>13892150

Vault was better before it started gaining traction. Now they're more about their fanbase than they are about the content they were making in the first place.

Tribe was good back when it was information + a goofy thing at the end, but it seems to be losing quality as well.

[Anonymous No.13897700]

>>13895639
Use a blander tonic for nice gin, save the good stuff for bottles that need the help.

[Anonymous No.13897732]

>>13895831
is it better than blended from the barrel?

[Anonymous No.13897777]

>>13893201
I thought about doing that hipster thing of turning them into flower vases but realized I don't entertain any house guests so why bother. I do keep bottles with shapes I like though.

[Anonymous No.13897803]

>>13895831
so it tastes like bourbon?

[Anonymous No.13898021]

For me it’s mellow corn