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How was bread invented? I guess I can see how people would invent cheese by accident, but where does one get the idea to grind wheat into a powder, mix it with water, and then bake? That doesn't seem like an accidental invention.

>> No.13800691

>>13800688
i am going to guess there's a nice wikipedia article on it!

>> No.13800710

>>13800691
Reddit

>> No.13800731

>>13800710
not as reddit as googling easily answered questions just because you’re lonely

>> No.13800741

>>13800688
never mind bread, who the fuck came up with hákarl?

>> No.13800784

>>13800741
dumb viking found a buried shark and ate some and then told all his friends

>> No.13800789

>>13800688
probably goes porridge => flat bread => bread

>> No.13800795

>>13800688
it was bred haha

>> No.13800798

>>13800688
It probably wasn’t by accident. People give ancient peoples too little credit. You think organized agriculture, architecture, metalwork, amd animal husbandry all occurred by accident? Many of the bronze age techniques are so specific there is no way somebody just stumbled upon them. People back then were methodological too and experimented with stuff and had taxonomies and inventories of knowledge. Bread was probably the result of somebody toying with wheat (which could’ve been used for something else) and certain cooking techniques.

>> No.13800828

>>13800789
According to current knowledge, that's exactly how it happened.

>>13800688
The ancient Fertile Crescent was the first part of the world to eat wheat and its close relatives. These ancient peoples boiled it in water and ate it as a porridge. Once it was realised that porridge takes much less time to cook if you cracked or powdered the grains first, that's how the porridges began to be made.
The theory here is that someone left some porridge out overnight and it was sour and sticky the next morning. Well, can't really throw it out, can we? Food is scarce. Well, what if we reheat this shit. Wait... wut? It's solidifying instead of boiling... Well this tastes okay. Lemme try pouring this shit out onto a hot flat surface and see what happens. Then flat bread was discovered. There are many flat breads from the region which are made this way and still eaten now in modern times.
As for baked breads, sourdoughs are definitely the first. There are nomadic people in and around the Fertile Crescent who bake risen bread in makeshift ovens at campsites. These breads are nearly identical to the nice sourdough boules available in western countries, save the flourishes and designs and shit.

>> No.13800895

>>13800828
This seems pretty accurate, OP is pretty fucking stupid for not being able to figure this out on his own
/thread

>> No.13801333

>>13800895
>OP is stupid for not happening across this very specific sequence of events to form a theory that is doubtless still under some level of debate by the anthropology community

I'm assuming you're the same dude that's been calling people dumb in every fucking thread today. Screw off

>> No.13801588

>>13800798
Can I get a tl;dr?

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>>13801588

>> No.13801747

How the fuck was curry invented? Some Indian just said "let's make food that looks like diarrhea"?? Coincidence? I think not. The cow gods must have told them

>> No.13801789

>>13800798
It probably was by accident anon, at least partially. The first bread was likely sourdough, and sourdough is created by being a lazy fuck with poor hygiene. Now leavening bread with byproducts from beer and wine production was probably a little more deliberate. Though it's not clear if they were originally in fact trying to leaven the bread, or they just thought it might taste good mixing it in with the wheat.

>> No.13801839

how was american "cheese" invented?

>> No.13801842

>>13801747
You seem to be the racist, as is very common with your types. I simply don't give a shit about your fucking nations and don't want to visit them.
If you want to call me racist for disagreeing with you then you must have been shillary supporters since that's the best that they can do.
Are you still seething in your closets because Trump beat your annointed one?

>> No.13801848

>>13801789
>sourdough is created by being a lazy fuck with poor hygiene
Why? Because it's fermented?

>> No.13801857

>>13801848
because its spoiled dough you moron

>> No.13801875

>>13801842
Check your 401(k), bro.

>> No.13802100

>>13801333
Surprisingly enough, there really is no debate about it. At least, not any serious one. The history as described in >>13800828 is the currently accepted theory. Any 'debate' to the contrary is by the anthropology versions of flat-earthers IE no one pays them any mind.

>>13800895
Don't be rude. I don't expect most people to know about this sort of stuff. Neither should you.

>> No.13802464

>>13800688
>frogposter
>brainlet question
Metalworking is the real question.
>hey let me dig up this rock, heat it up real hard and mold it by hitting it, then dunk it in some cold water

>> No.13802538

>>13802464
First of all, the cold water part is a completely obvious way to cool it. Then you have to understand there wasn't much digging initially. Thousands of years ago there were still metal-rich surface deposits. Metalworking has been around a very long time, smelting is a more interesting and important discovery I think.

>> No.13802568

>>13800688
The synchonocity is real today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFb0vAwAkM

>> No.13802579

>>13800688
it took thousands of years.

>> No.13802585

>>13800784
they have had countless periods of absolute and utter starvation in iceland.

everything they caught had to be made somehow edible, no matter what.

>> No.13802590

>>13800688
Back in the day it was common to pound plant starches like roots flat and bake it on a rock over a fire. My guess is after they found grains that were a bit drier they mixed it with a bit of water and did the same. Yeast is ubiquitous so any dough made that way and left to rest would naturally rise. I think over 20k years it would have worked itself out

>> No.13802613

>>13801839
Some fag in Switzerland brought it over just before WWI.

>> No.13802618

>>13802464
People would build fires on ore deposits and then mine it by pouring cold water on it; cooling and fracturing the ore. Then they would melt it in another fire which later became blast furnaces.

>> No.13802821

>>13801789
I dont see why it would be sour dough. You can just throw flour and water and salt and heat it up to make any number of different things. Letting it ferment seems like an obvious thing to do with any food and was probably a very deliberate step.

>> No.13802825

>>13801333
I call people dumb in every thread every day because this is 4channel and we are surrounded by literal SPEDs and NEETs. Fuck off retard.
>>13802100
>implying he couldn’t use google
My point in calling him a retard isn’t that he didn’t know that, it’s the fact that he couldn’t just use google. We are on the internet. Not every question needs to be answered by 4chan to be definitively factual.