Keto

[Anonymous No.13728282]

You see the benefits so fast, and the food is so easy to eat, if you're fat what is your excuse?

[Anonymous No.13728285]

>>13728282
What, are you too good for a plate you hipster?

[Anonymous No.13728288]

Fat people shouldn't go on keto. It is for otherwise healthy people who want to try and optimize their health or take a chance at dealing with cancer or diabetes or epilepsy. If all you want to do is lose weight, there are much easier lifestyle changes available.

[Anonymous No.13728291]

>>13728282
I don't want to have acid for blood

[Anonymous No.13728310]

>>13728282
>You see the benefits so fast
Yeah, enjoy your flappy fat folds that couldn't adjust to your rapid fat loss lmao
Hit the gym, cut calories, eat balanced.
Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.13728597]

>>13728310
Loose skin is caused by the amount of time its been stretched out for, not rapid weight loss.

[Anonymous No.13728619]

its the only diet that worked for me
but if you like something else just do what works for you and your body

[Anonymous No.13728630]

>>13728288
I'm glad you listed the lifestyle change. Quality post you fat sack of shit.

[Anonymous No.13728650]

>>13728282
Then as soon as you get off of it the fat comes back. GGEZ. Stop falling for meme diets and commit to CICO you fat fuck

[Anonymous No.13728681]

I dont think any fat person is avoiding it
Its just a matter of do they commit enough and learn the recipes and necessary things to insert into their shopping carts to keep doing it until they get results.

[Anonymous No.13728789]

imo it works because amerifats can't figure out how to avoid sugar/garbage without taking drastic measures. everything is filled with it

but I find stuff like muesli, yogurt, etc. are just as filling if not more so than eggs/whatever

[Anonymous No.13728808]

It doesn't matter, you'll never convince those that are too far up their ass. What matters is that those people that try it, usually have it work, that is the only reason it's going so mainstream. Wait until keto starts reversing the Alzheimer's of some vets, then it'll be the real wake-up call for many.

[Anonymous No.13728826]

>>13728650
>4 eggs and whole avocado for breakfast
>chicken salad for lunch
>6oz steak with asparagus for dinner
>feel full, decide to track macros
>1600 calories

Oh wow, it's as if hormones played a role in all this.

[Anonymous No.13728835]

>>13728650
The fat only comes back if you're morally a bad person.

[Anonymous No.13728875]

>>13728650
>just measure and keep a log of everything you ingest for the rest of your life
>it's that easy!
Fuck off.

Keto is the best and most sustainable diet because you get to eat good food whenever you are hungry and you don't have to track it.

Calorie counting is a fraud designed to protect the processed food industry by obfuscating the differences between healthy and unhealthy foods.

[Anonymous No.13728888]

>>13728282
Keto is just forced calorie restriction, nothing more. You’re better off just doing calorie counting though, since you can overeat on keto and lots do. With calorie counting you know exactly what you’re eating.

[Anonymous No.13728901]

>>13728875
Calorie counting is easy. There’s even apps that let you easily input data, with barcode scanners and everything. Once you’ve done it long enough, you get a general idea of the calories you’re eating without even thinking much. You’re just lazy. Either you want to be fat and lazy, or you want to be healthy. You can’t have both.

[Anonymous No.13728909]

>>13728888
There are at least 31 modern RCTs that show significantly better weight loss with low-carb diets.

The only people who are better off with calorie counting are the grain and sugar merchants.

[Anonymous No.13728911]

>>13728875
Holy shit, imagine denying thermodynamics just to keep stuffing your obese face with steaks and butter.

[Anonymous No.13728916]

>>13728909
The science and all the smart people are full on board with low sugar diets.
Now we just need to convince 4chan contrarians/trolls
Oh wait.

[Anonymous No.13728923]

>>13728916
I think most of the anti-keto posts are angry vegans.

They will never stop crying about people getting healthy eating animals.

[Anonymous No.13728924]

>>13728916
name one reputable health organization that recommends keto for weight loss

[Anonymous No.13728929]

>>13728923
>not being scared of carbohydrates means you don't eat mean
You do realize one can eat both, right, you fat retard?

[Anonymous No.13728934]

>>13728909
How about studies on hospitalized patients?

[Anonymous No.13728938]

>>13728929
meat*

[Anonymous No.13728948]

Doesn’t feel like a proper meal without carbs /: heard it might cure my eye floaters so I’m giving it a try

[Anonymous No.13728952]

Any recipe recommendations? Tomorrow I’m gonna try and make a chicken parmigiana with pork rinds as the “breading” with some string beans

[Anonymous No.13728957]

>>13728909
Low fat isn’t calorie counting.

[Anonymous No.13729064]

>>13728288
>If all you want to do is lose weight, there are much easier lifestyle changes available.
Like what?

[Anonymous No.13729076]

>>13728901
I don't know anon.
My grandma was straight up anorexic and she always tried to push the CICO shit on me.
Like yea of course you can lose weight if you don't eat enough.

[Anonymous No.13729155]

>>13728911
>implying that the human body is a carnot engine

[Anonymous No.13729188]

>>13728911
>eat only steak and butter
>lose weight

What's wrong with this? Nothing, GTFO Jillian

[Anonymous No.13729189]

>>13728924
critikal
jordan peterson
eric weinstein
roe rogan

[Anonymous No.13729192]

>>13728282
>if you’re fat what’s your excuse
What’s your excuse for being fat in the first place tho?

[Anonymous No.13729195]

>>13728924
Virta Health.

[Anonymous No.13729196]

>>13728282
>You see the benefits so fast
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
>Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7096307_Ketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets_have_no_metabolic_advantage_over_nonketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets
>Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
>KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects.
>The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
>The isocaloric KD was not accompanied by increased body fat loss but was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology.
>the food is so easy to eat
https://www.rocprivateclinic.com/no-carb-low-carb-diet-weight-loss-harm-good/
> A number of studies have reported a high dropout rate of participants following this diet namely because of its restrictive nature which makes understanding the long-term implications difficult.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
>We also do not know much about its long-term effects, probably because it’s so hard to stick with that people can’t eat this way for a long time.
https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/2015/12/04/are-low-carb-diets-worse-than-high-carb-diets/
>Many participants dropped out before the end of the study

[Anonymous No.13729201]

>>13728901
Oh boy I can just scan the barcodes on my carcinogenic, diabetes inducing, artery clogging pseudofood made with corn syrup, flour, and vegetable oil?

Thank you processed food merchant!

[Anonymous No.13729207]

>>13729196
See: >>13728909

We are all aware of the processed food industry propaganda you are posting. Their lies don't hold up in the real world.

[Anonymous No.13729212]

>1 post clearly comparing and contrasting the diet mentioned in the OP
>thread quickly turns into shit flinging and name calling
never change, /ck/

[Anonymous No.13729720]

>>13729207
Fat people really think there is only processed foods and steak lol

[Anonymous No.13729737]

>>13728282
I'm not fat, but I'm on a low calorie diet instead of keto because I can't really cook and going out to eat on keto is a nightmare. I did Atkins once and it was incredible in terms of results, but it only worked out because I had someone to cook for me and didn't have the money to be eating out anyways.

I might try it to push my body to get rid of the last of the fat at the end of my diet, but we'll see.

[Anonymous No.13729849]

>>13729207
so why cant you link one clinical trial showing the benefits of keto over a simple macronutrient balanced calorie deficit?
if you eat a carb/fat/protein split diet of 1500 calories for 6 months, you will lose the same amount of fat as a person eating a keto split diet of 1500 calories for 6 months
and there is no evidence that proves keto will reverse any pre-existing conditions

[Anonymous No.13729934]

>>13729849
Try reading the thread before you post.

See: >>13728909
>There are at least 31 modern RCTs that show significantly better weight loss with low-carb diets.
Thirty one randomized controlled trials.

[Anonymous No.13729941]

>>13729934
post one of them

[Anonymous No.13729953]

>>13729941
>Find out more @ www.PHCuk.org/RCTs

[Anonymous No.13729964]

>>13729953
>but the difference in weight loss was not statistically significant at 12 months (P=0.26)
first one i looked at
do you know why?
because they slowly reintroduce carbs
and then they regain water weight
and so they maintain the same amount of fat loss as a regular diet

[Anonymous No.13729979]

>>13729964
Oh well then that disproves the thirty one RCTs with significant results that you ignored.

You win bud. Thanks for posting.

[Anonymous No.13729987]

>>13729979
>Moreover, the changes in fat-free mass in both groups were largely explained by changes in total body water, not lean tissue mass.
second one i clicked

[Anonymous No.13729999]

>>13729979
>>13729987
and these aren't random articles. these are quite literally the "31 RCTs that prove keto is better" that you're telling me to search. i'm reading the trial discussions you're telling me to and they're telling me that the fat loss is the same
so...

[Anonymous No.13730028]

>>13729212
You mean the dude who cherry picked a few questionable studies?

[Anonymous No.13730082]

>>13729964
>People who give up on keto gain weight so they shouldn't bother losing more weight in the first place
I don't see the logic here. Giving up any diet or exercise program will show a lapse in benefits, that isn't at all specific to keto. These studies are mostly bullshit anyway, take it from someone who's worked on a few of them. The researcher comes to a conclusion before they start, and they do everything to make the results match that conclusion. They have lazy grad students do all the research, and they'd sooner lie to make the results match than discard a sample (since that's more work for an busy underpaid grad student).

[Anonymous No.13730118]

>>13730082
>>People who give up on keto gain weight so they shouldn't bother losing more weight in the first place
that has nothing to do with what i just said
i've read through six of the 31 studies that didn't have broken links
all of the six that i've read have stated that the fat loss is the same between a keto calorie deficit and a balanced macronutrient calorie deficit. i posted two of them
the WEIGHT loss came from water weight which occurs when a body's glycogen storage is depleted. it has nothing to do with a person's health. they can store roughly 400g of carbs worth of energy
it's incredibly dumb to consider water weight in the total weight loss during a trial which is why all of these trials address it. any excessive water weight from something such as edema would revert itself on a normal diet as well
someone cannot argue that a keto calorie deficit diet leads to more fat loss than a regular calorie deficit diet. all of the trials, even the ones people link in defense of keto, disprove it
if following a high fat diet helps an individual maintain a calorie deficit, then that's good

[Anonymous No.13730225]

>>13730118
>if following a high fat diet helps an individual maintain a calorie deficit, then that's good
Of course it does, that's why the diet is so successful for so many people. It is easy, the foods are filling, and most are inherently high protein, and cured meats, cheeses, nuts and legumes are ready to eat. It is basically cutting out the foods that promote weight gain, as obviously carbohydrates spike insulin which promotes fat gain. It isn't a stretch to assume keeping insulin levels low would people lose weight. Even a conventional diet is going to result in lower insulin secretion, and improved insulin sensitivity as you've said, because restricting calories means less food, less carbs and less insulin. Just a roundabout way of doing the same thing a low carb or ketogenic diet aims to do directly. The reason people are happy with the low carb diets is because they see results while eating heavy, filling meals (not a bunch of salads). And once people realize how much sugar is in regular food, they're better equipped to make healthy choices even when they're off the diet.

It works, and very well for many people. If the science doesn't reflect that, there's likely a flaw in methodology. But, as has been pointed out, these studies aren't suggesting it doesn't work, just that it ISN'T better than caloric restriction. So, then your choice is, hamburger or salad? I'll take the burger.

[Anonymous No.13730237]

https://phcuk.org/RCTs/

This page has 63 total RCTs listed and a key at the top to help distinguish which studies have significant results.

>^ = Greater Weight Loss, * = Significantly Greater Weight Loss Between Groups

I'm not sure why the shill thinks playing dumb is a winning argument but I sure hope nobody is fooled by it.

You can tell that keto works because of the shilling done against it. They feel threatened.

[Anonymous No.13730252]

>>13729064
Eat less, move your body more often.

[Anonymous No.13730269]

>>13730237
And instead of listening to some guy cherry pick and paste single lines from single studies I will repost this helpful graphic which summarizes the 63 RCTs.

As you can see out of 63 RCTs testing low carb, 53 show superior results on low carb. 31 are significant.

Only seven show superior results on low fat, of which NONE are significant.

[Anonymous No.13730338]

>>13730237
>>13730269
i've taken the initiative by looking through the trials and i've linked the self-reported results concluding that weight loss is not equivalent to fat loss
and that balanced calorie deficits result in the same fat loss as keto calorie deficits
if there's proof in these clinical trials showing otherwise, why don't you cite them?

[Anonymous No.13730407]

Just so nobody is fooled by the shill who is playing dumb and cherry picking, we can look at meta-analyses.

A number of meta-analyses of randomized controlled trials (RCTs), considered the strongest, most robust type of evidence, have come to the same conclusion: low-carb diets tend to outperform other diets for weight loss for up to two years.

Two recent examples show greater weight loss on low-carb diets compared to low-fat diets in studies that were from eight weeks to 24 months in length

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26485706

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26768850

[Anonymous No.13730523]

>>13729987
Wait, why do you think this excerpt supports your claims? It's just commenting on fat free mass.

>Patients in both groups lost substantially more fat mass (change, −9.4 kg with the low-carbohydrate diet vs. −4.8 kg with the low-fat diet) than fat-free mass (change, −3.3 kg vs. −2.4 kg, respectively).
https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/717451/low-carbohydrate-ketogenic-diet-versus-low-fat-diet-treat-obesity

This paper shows significantly more fat loss in the low-carb group.

You probably shouldn't try to read these papers yourself if you're really that confused by them. I just think you're being dishonest though. You're probably an angry vegan.

Stay mad about people getting healthy eating animals.

[Anonymous No.13730539]

Keto is as retarded as the last 10 variations of low carb diets. Every time one gets negative press they change the name. See: Atkins, Scarsdale, Stillman

https://www.consumerreports.org/diet-nutrition/truth-about-a-high-protein-low-carb-diet/

>That may sound like a way to shed pounds, but it can have serious health consequences. “You’re altering your metabolism away from what’s normal and into a starved state,” Seres says. “People in starved states experience problems with brain function.”

>A high-protein diet also overworks the kidneys. That’s especially worrisome for people with kidney disease and can predispose those with healthy kidneys to kidney stones. Over an extended period of time, excessive protein intake leaches calcium from your bones, which can lead to osteoporosis.

>Far from increasing energy, that eating style might leave you fatigued and nauseated. Constipation can also be a problem because animal-based protein sources provide little or no fiber.

>When it comes to heart disease, the saturated-fat-laden red meat that’s part of many high-protein diets may actually boost your risk. According to a Harvard study of more than 120,000 people followed for more than 20 years, a meat-based low-carb diet increased the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease by 14 percent.

[Anonymous No.13730570]

>>13730539
1. no it doesn't. that's the point of ketosis.

2. keto diets don't have high protein. 85% of calories come from fat, 10 from protein, and 5 from carbs. that's less protein than a "regular" diet.

3. no. ketosis solves this.

4. your shitty study holds no merit.

[Anonymous No.13730606]

>>13729189
Cr1tikal doesn't recommend it. He just made a video explaining what it was.

[Anonymous No.13730635]

>>13730606
Talking about it truthfully is same as recommending it.

[Anonymous No.13730639]

>>13728282
What’s wrong with using the food pyramid?

[Anonymous No.13730645]

>>13730639
>food pyramid
it's designed with sugar industry lobbying and feeding poor starving peasants back when malnutrition was a thing in the west

[Anonymous No.13730648]

>>13728282
>You see the benefits so fast
You "lose" ~4 pounds overnight due to water weight, then it's just as fast as any other diet at the same number of calories.
This is why 90% of people quit keto after a month, the initial hype wears off quickly.
>the food is so easy to eat
I suppose there's no accounting for taste, but you're still cutting out most dietary staples in favor of pure meat, fat, and vegetables. Not exactly easy.
And getting most of your calories from these sources is also going to be much more expensive.
>>13730570
>muh ketosis
Every fad diet has some pseudoscience bullshit like this attached to it.
Ketosis won't do shit unless you're a 6 year old with epilepsy.

[Anonymous No.13730653]

>>13730645
But most food pyramids lump sugars and oils together at the top so how are they controlled by Sugar giants?

[Anonymous No.13730664]

>>13730653
They made demands for things to be included in the recommendations and those demands made in it despite protests from the scientists.

[Anonymous No.13730680]

>>13728282
I felt terrible on keto despite not eating garbage like fast food, grease or bacon. I ate eggs, meats, nuts, fish and tons of vegetables. I also had no energy for exercise, got immediately gassed and could barely even do calisthenics.

I feel so much fucking better eating every food group. Getting my oats, brown rice and whole grain bread in. Actually getting /fit/ and seeing my body composition change from skinnyfat for the first time in my life. Fuck keto.

[Anonymous No.13730683]

>>13730653
Grains make up the base of the pyramid, and breads in the US contain a ton of added sugar.

[Anonymous No.13730689]

>>13730683
Of course you can use modern science derived one https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-pyramid/

[Anonymous No.13730703]

>>13730689
The serving amounts are unclear
Inconsistent division of tiers kills the original's aesthetic
Having the base be exercise is cringey

All in all, it gets a 3/10 from me.

[Anonymous No.13730708]

>>13730539
>You’re altering your metabolism away from what’s normal and into a starved state

You are not a hummingbird, you're not supposed to maintain a ketogenic diet when you're at a desired weight; at that point traditional dietary advice like avoiding refined carbs becomes more important than remaining in a near-constant state of ketosis.

>A high-protein diet also overworks the kidneys. That’s especially worrisome for people with kidney disease and can predispose those with healthy kidneys to kidney stones. Over an extended period of time, excessive protein intake leaches calcium from your bones, which can lead to osteoporosis.

You know what else will overwork your kidneys? Obesity. Never mind that this is a complete strawman; a ketogenic diet can't be performed if you're consuming protein in excess of dietary fat; if you consume too much protein it is simply broken down into carbs. Plus there's no substantive evidence that anyone other than people with compromised kidneys should be overly concerned with how much protein they consume.

>Far from increasing energy, that eating style might leave you fatigued and nauseated. Constipation can also be a problem because animal-based protein sources provide little or no fiber.

If you ignore your micronutrients and starve yourself for salt, sure. You know what else will make you fatigued? Sugar crashes. It sounds like you're just over eating. More over, there's no evidence to suggest fiber actually prevents constipation and more than one study has found that fiber intake is actually directly correlated with GI distress. Drink more water.

>When it comes to heart disease, the saturated-fat-laden red meat that’s part of many high-protein diets may actually boost your risk. According to a Harvard study of more than 120,000 people followed for more than 20 years, a meat-based low-carb diet increased the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease by 14 percent.

Dietary study ignores all other causal factors.

[Anonymous No.13730710]

>>13730703
>The Healthy Eating Plate does not define a certain number of calories or servings per day from each food group. The relative section sizes suggest approximate relative proportions of each of the food groups to include on a healthy plate. They are not based on specific calorie amounts, and they are not meant to prescribe a certain number of calories or servings per day, since individuals’ calorie and nutrient needs vary based on age, gender, body size, and level of activity.

[Anonymous No.13730716]

>>13730523
It doesn't even say how many calories the meals were.

[Anonymous No.13730721]

>>13728282
whoa, so that’s what berries look like

[Anonymous No.13730739]

>>13730721
I'm genuinely glad that the artist provided a label AND indicative arrows. I would never have identified them otherwise.

[Anonymous No.13730769]

>>13730708
>tl;dr
You absolute fagfuck, lol!

[Anonymous No.13730780]

>>13730252
Oh. I thought you might say that. What if I can only move my body sometimes?
Then is it ok to be a fatty on Keto?

[Anonymous No.13730812]

>>13730539
Every single claim there is completely opposite to the truth.

I feel bad for anyone dumb enough to believe such propaganda.

[Anonymous No.13730834]

>>13730812
But the titles is "truth about..."
That means its correct and factual.

[Anonymous No.13730876]

Is there any trial on hospitalized patients that shows keto diet being better for losing weight than a diet that's not low on carbohydrates?

[Anonymous No.13730905]

>>13730876
>hospitalized patients
Do you mean clinical trials?
Its pretty much the consensus that keto is more efficient thus https://phcuk.org/rcts/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC538279/
>Conclusion
>This study shows a clear benefit of a very low-carbohydrate over low-fat diet for short-term body weight and fat loss, especially in men.

Thats what you can expect to see if you go trough the list of studies.

[Anonymous No.13730912]

>>13730905
I think by hospitalized patients, he was referring to people undergoing intense medical intervention for weight loss. Usually involves hospitalized observation to ensure a very-low-calorie diet and strict exercise regimen is being followed.

[Anonymous No.13730913]

>>13730912
Intense medical intervention for weight loss sounds like a premise for a comedy sketch.

[Anonymous No.13730920]

>>13730913
Yeah, well, it isn't.

[Anonymous No.13731938]

>>13730710
I hate the healthy eating plate shit but yeah it is better than people counting calories they know nothing about, since calories are not equal

[Anonymous No.13731949]

>>13731938
The problem with all the food recommendations is they are corrupted by religious zealots and lobbyists.

[Anonymous No.13731969]

>>13728282
That shit looks expensive as fuck. Am I supposed to spend $14 on every meal? The fuck outta here.

[Anonymous No.13731978]

>>13731969
You are what you eat, so of course the guy eating cheap trash is both cheap and trashy.

[Anonymous No.13731987]

>>13731978
Or you can eat healthy vegetables which are cheaper and you will lose weight.

[Anonymous No.13731988]

>>13728282
>what is your excuse
Lack of knowing how I can acquire and prepare a sufficient variety of dishes that I stay interested. But I do OMAD so it doesn't matter as much if I have some carbs.

[Anonymous No.13732012]

>>13728282
>berries
>points to a strawberry

Why should I trust people who don't know anything about food?

[Anonymous No.13732127]

>>13728282
Isn’t this the diet that makes vegans absolutely seethe?

[Anonymous No.13732128]

>>13732012
Based nut expert.

[Anonymous No.13732419]

>>13732127
Yeah vegans have been irate over keto for years now.

I can't wait for the meltdown they have when carnivore becomes more popular than veganism.

[Anonymous No.13732430]

>>13732419
>that new year's spike for weightwatchers
lel

[Anonymous No.13732433]

>>13728282
I really prefer warm meats.

[Anonymous No.13732441]

>>13730780
No. Keto is much harder than moving your body more than you want. It takes very strict attention to what you are eating. It is also a big change to the way your body behaves, so if you're not reasonably healthy before you start it can be a massive shock to your system and fuck you up.

[Anonymous No.13732447]

>>13732441
>gorging yourself on bacon and butter
>more difficult than exercise
Nah.

[Anonymous No.13732559]

>>13730680

Based balanced eater

Restriction diets in general are shit. You can toss out the stuff with really shitty satiation to calorie ratios (junk food) but beyond that restriction is just pointless cult shit

[Anonymous No.13732566]

>>13730680
Hey man, whatever works for you. But sounds like you needed to workout more so than adjust your diet.

[Anonymous No.13732581]

>>13732559
>Hey Anon, want to try X?
>Hang on, lemme check my satiation to calorie matrix
>How full did you say this would make me? Hmm
>And.. how many calories?
>Nah brah, that's less satiating than cum, imma pass

[Anonymous No.13732595]

>>13732447
That won't work because you definitely won't be getting the vitamins you need. See? Failed already, and that's only in your imagination.

[Anonymous No.13732869]

>>13728875
>hmm this food i eat all the time is 200 Calories, and this food is 400 Calories. if i eat them together thats about 600 Calories. boy Calorie counting sure is hard
keeping a log of everything you eat is for fatties trying to prove calorie counting is impossible and anorexics. if you cant guess within a couple hundred Calories how much you're eating you're retarded

[Anonymous No.13732899]

>>13728630
Lifestyle change 1: Eat less.
No, I didn't say eat less then reward yourself with a butter shake, fatty. Eat less and keep eating less.

[Anonymous No.13732926]

>>13732419
Not being scared of carbohydrates doesn't mean you don't eat meat, you fat retard. Most people eat both.

[Anonymous No.13732938]

>>13728282
Just how expensive is that board even, there's possibly two days worth of my food in there.

[Anonymous No.13733062]

>>13728288
Your wrong anon, I have talked to many fat people and their spouses who all lost lots of weight on keto and enjoyed the diet. I'm not fat, but you can't deny it is the best weight loss method if that is your goal.

[Anonymous No.13733063]

>>13728650
Learn some self control you fat fuck.

[Anonymous No.13733101]

>>13732926
It's vegans in particular who are upset by keto and constantly post their anti-keto frustrations. Nobody else would care about people losing weight and getting healthy by eating a huge amount of animal products.

[Anonymous No.13733254]

>>13728282
I've been steadily loosing weight on a standard calories reduction diet
All of this while still enjoying what i eat
That's my excuse

[Anonymous No.13733253]

>>13728282
I live with my mom and she decides what's for din din

[Anonymous No.13733277]

>>13728291
that sounds badass though

[Anonymous No.13733284]

>>13733254
I did calorie restriction in the past but it just wasn't sustainable.

[Anonymous No.13733338]

>>13733277

Too bad your body doesn't think so.

[Anonymous No.13733429]

>>13732419
There is nothing they can do to stop its rise. Even if keto is not as extreme and effective as carnivore, keto still has many metabolic benefits.

[Anonymous No.13733436]

>>13733429
Proof? And I mean a study done on hospitalized patients, not giving a few fat fucks some meals and hope they are actually honest about what they ate.

[Anonymous No.13733440]

>>13730913
So how do I know fatties actually stack to their assigned meals?

[Anonymous No.13733441]

>>13733254
Ok but what kind of things do you eat?

[Anonymous No.13733446]

>>13733101
I've never seen anyone knock keto outside of /ck/. I think it's just typical contrarian assholes.

[Anonymous No.13733450]

>>13732441
I was on keto last year and it wasn't harder than working out. It didn't fuck me up either.

>>13732447
This wasn't me btw. I never gorged myself on bacon and butter. I don't even like bacon that much anymore.

[Anonymous No.13733455]

>>13733446
There are always some vegan shills in /fit/ either trying to convince fat people keto is harmful or just being abusive and insulting to anyone who mentions their success on keto. They are prevalent in the /fat/ general thread.

There's obviously an angry vegan shill presence here on /ck/ as well.

[Anonymous No.13733469]

>>13733455
Literally nobody itt has said anything against meat, schizophrenic fat fuck.

[Anonymous No.13733511]

>>13733469
Nobody is so emotionally upset by keto that they would be motivated to shill against it online other than vegans.

Vegans shill for free.

[Anonymous No.13733531]

just ate a bunch of scrambled eggs and cheese

I'm definitely more hungry than if I ate muesli and yogurt

keto btfo

[Anonymous No.13733780]

>>13733436
Google Trends is really the only one. The ratio of positive vs negative articles is also increasing. The American Diabetes Association finally endorses ketogenic diets as a treatment so the government is about try keto on veterans to treat diabetes, once shit like Alzheimer's (a metabolic disease, Type 3 diabetes for some) starts being reversed on some as a side-effect, there won't be much going back.

[Anonymous No.13733887]

>>13728835
lulz

[Anonymous No.13733896]

>>13733455
>obviously an angry vegan shill presence here
Wherever food is discussed, they will go to insert themselves. The furries of the food world.

[Anonymous No.13733931]

I stopped being a fat fuck thanks to keto. I've successfully maintained my weight for 3 years by skipped breakfast and eating keto meals 80% of the time. It's easy to make a keto salad for lunch at work, some steak and egg/lamb chops and med veg meals during weekday evenings. Then I don't have to worry about what I eat the rest of the time.

[Anonymous No.13733957]

>>13733931
Yeah pretending keto is too restrictive or doomed to fail is a bogus argument.

It's not like you gain all the weight back if you break ketosis occasionally.

[Anonymous No.13734021]

>>13728282
-On low calorie you learn to make better choices without limiting your foods, which will carry over to post diet eating far better. Difficulty keeping weight off is the reason so many people fail "dieting" and keto is objectively worse for this.
-The fast results you see on keto are water weight because you aren't eating carbs. Actual fat loss isn't any better.
-Having a carb restricted diet makes it more difficult to have a good diet/life balance just like someone who is vegan wont be able to easily eat with others.
-You will be exposed to stupid people who follow trends and spread broscience just like any other fad diet like carnivore, vegan, fast, etc. Any kind of extremism like this always draws low IQ people who have no distinction between random shit someone claims and well documented evidence.

[Anonymous No.13734146]

>>13734021
>-Having a carb restricted diet makes it more difficult to have a good diet/life balance just like someone who is vegan wont be able to easily eat with others.

I keep seeing this as an argument against keto, but honestly it's one of the reasons I do it. Putting barriers up to getting junk food whenever you want it send like a good thing to me.

Also, this is implying that I won't break keto for one meal every once in a while. Cheat days are allowed on every other diet, so why is keto held to a higher standard?

[Anonymous No.13734214]

>>13734146
See the first point I made, you're not learning valuable skills you will need when you're finished dieting and have to maintain your body weight. This is why research consistently shows people can't reliably lose weight and keep it off, and every doctor focuses on the need for lifestyle changes. The barrier to food is avoiding the underlying issue. Honestly any diet where someone loses the fat they want to lose is great, but the longest portion of dieting after being fat is the maintenance for the rest of your life.

The entire argument behind keto is that ketosis somehow causes better fat loss than cico, which if true would mean that breaking ketosis would be hindering your progress more than eating a surplus one day on a normal diet since you have to get back into ketosis. I don't believe that's true, but that would be the logically consistent argument from keto's perspective.
Cheat days are not "allowed on a diet," you're literally stopping your diet temporarily and wont lose weight for the period when you're not dieting. Of course you can stop and start a diet whenever you want.

[Anonymous No.13734319]

>>13734021
What absolute drivel.

Eating disease causing garbage, but measuring it, isn't a good choice. It's like counting the amount of cigarettes you smoke. Ridiculous cope for pathetic addicts. Just stop smoking.

Actual fat loss is far superior on keto. See: >>13728909

The most retarded segment of the population advocates calorie counting because that's what processed and fast food companies tell them.

[Anonymous No.13734346]

>>13734319
Why don't you post a study on hospitalized patients instead of studies where you have to rely on fatties likeare you being honest about their food intake?

[Anonymous No.13734350]

>>13734346
Which diet works best for real people living normal lives is far more relevant than whatever scenario you are imagining.

[Anonymous No.13734362]

>>13728310

As long as your not a super fat as fatass and drink more than enough water you don't need to worry about loose skin.

If you are fat as fatass having loose skin is way better than being a fat as fatass.

[Anonymous No.13734368]

>>13732899

>Implying fat doesn't make you satiated faster and for longer than carbohydrates.

Why is this tip exclusive to a non-keto diet again?

[Anonymous No.13734373]

>>13728650

>Keto and CICO are mutually exclusive

Neck yourself you fucking tard.

[Anonymous No.13734378]

>>13730905
Why do you have to do low anything? Eat normal amounts, minimize junk/processed food, exercise, and you should lose weight and maintain normal weight after that.

[Anonymous No.13734386]

>>13728888
>since you can overeat on keto and lots do

Fucking lol. Yes your more likely to overeat after having a big steak with all the salad you can eat smothered in blue cheese dressing. Than if you were to have a toasted breaded toast sandwich with deep fried taters.

[Anonymous No.13734417]

>>13734378
Because keto works while the other methods dont.
A food supply chain focused on injecting sugar into 80% of the food you see in the grocery store is there to make you consume more.

[Anonymous No.13734429]

>>13728282
Just fucking exercise. If you lift heavy weights and do regular intensive cardio I challenge you to be a fat Shlomo.

[Anonymous No.13734452]

>>13734021
it amazes me that people still think fat loss on keto is water weight, stick with it for more than a week, you sound like you're talking about something you have no experience with

[Anonymous No.13734459]

>>13734429

>> lift heavy weights and do regular intensive cardio & keto are mutually exclusive

Neck yourself you fucking tard.

[Anonymous No.13734479]

>>13734429
My friend lost 40 lbs last year doing just low carb and keto. If it works for her and her husband, who did both diets with her- then I definitely want to lose weight that way and not exercising.

I feel like weight lifting is definitely for meat heads and /fit/fags

[Anonymous No.13734487]

>>13734452
Nobody thinks that. They just lie.

That's why they keep repeating it even after RCTs proving otherwise are posted.

Vegans will tell any lie they think will discourage people from trying keto because they think meat is murder.

[Anonymous No.13734495]

>>13734429
Weight loss and removing inflammatory foods are great at encouraging people getting more exercise.
Not to mention if you can't solve your boredom by eating sugary foods you'll have relatively more fun going outside for a walk.

[Anonymous No.13734497]

>>13734386
I felt more full just eating meat and veggies than I did when I ate a small fast food meal. It did take awhile to get there though because my body had to adjust. But I would say after about a week of only eating meals that were only meat n veg, no carbs, I felt full after eating a small portion. As opposed to eating a small portion of carbs and then wanting to snack later.
Meat n veg diet definitely helped get rid of my desire to snack. When I did calorie intake and fat burning, I did it have much success and just ended up snacking and felt hungry all the time.

[Anonymous No.13734507]

>>13734497
Vegetable oil also causes hunger. All fast food and processed food is full of vegetable oil.

When you eat a whole food meat based diet you're getting healthy fats which are satiating.

[Anonymous No.13734511]

>>13734479
>I feel like weight lifting is definitely for meat heads and /fit/fags

I was with you until then.

Lifting/cardio is important to keep your body healthy. Losing weight is great, but it doesn't really mean that much if you aren't keeping yourself fit. Lifting is not that difficult and the benefits far outweigh the risks.

[Anonymous No.13734523]

>>13734417
>Because keto works while the other methods dont.
What other methods? A lot of people have lost weight by just cutting out soda and junk food, even if they continue consuming carbs elsewhere. Just because people wrongly blamed fat for making people fat doesn't mean that all carbs are inherently the problem either.

I'm not saying keto doesn't work for weight loss, but every person I know who did keto to lose weight was consuming a ton of junk food and soda before switching. They probably would've lost weight by just cutting that out of their diet without changing anything else.

[Anonymous No.13734532]

>>13734511
You don't even have to lift weights, just body weight exercises. Some form of resistance training is important to maintain functional strength, push ups, pull ups, chin ups, sit ups, crunches, body squats, lunges, calf raises, etc.

[Anonymous No.13734538]

>>13734523
You have to consider the regular human sitting in his home and having to follow the diet on his own
When ketoing you have to cut out all sugar, its easier mentally vs eating Some sugar. Your tongues sweet spot changes to accept less sweet foods.
Now while you're not hungry thanks to eating enough things that satiate you you dont have the easy sugary foods to snack on. Its difficult to snack on keto in a way that would make you fat.

[Anonymous No.13734594]

>>13734538
Yeah refined carbs generally aren't as satiating which makes it easy to overeat, but I could never overeat strawberries or something just because they're more satisfying to eat. The problem with craving sweet food is that probably since people drink so much soda they only crave extremely sweet things which generally come from processed foods. Soda is sickeningly sweet to me now, but I still like to have some milk and fruit once in a while for their more mild sweetness.

[Anonymous No.13734611]

It's funny how Americans love to chase after fad diets but can't actually lose weight

[Anonymous No.13734616]

>>13734611
It's partially because of the fad diets. Most of them aren't actually good diets so it's not sustainable. And you have a ton of companies pushing "diet foods" making people think they need to eat something to lose weight instead of just eating less.

[Anonymous No.13734818]

>>13734487
The only link to a specific study itt doesn't even specify the number of calories assigned to the participants, fattie.

[Anonymous No.13734855]

>>13728282
No thanks I like being able to eat any food I want as long as I take the Calories into account
Had pizza last week and Grilled Ham & Cheese Sandwiches the week before that
Not interested in any diet that requires removing groups of food

[Anonymous No.13734875]

>>13728826
Congrats you're now a diabetic. Don't believe me? Take a glucose tolerance test.

[Anonymous No.13734881]

>>13728282
I did keto for 1 year and got type 2 diabetes even though I was in perfect health before starting keto.

[Anonymous No.13734898]

>>13728282
my family

heavy on pasta and bread

anytime i try to bring this up they go EYYYY YOU NEED DA PASTA

[Anonymous No.13734900]

>>13734875
>>13734881
[THIS IS WHAT VEGANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE]

[Anonymous No.13734923]

>>13734875
Keto improves insulin sensitivity, you were already diabetic.

[Anonymous No.13734945]

>>13734923
The ketogenic diet is a short-term, Band-Aid solution to minimize blood sugar fluctuations but does not reverse the underlying condition of insulin resistance. In fact, evidence-based research shows that eating a low-carbohydrate diet actually worsens insulin resistance. By almost completely removing carbs from the diet, you’re simply removing the trigger that leads to symptoms (hyperglycemia) without addressing the actual cause.

[Anonymous No.13734961]

>>13734945
Post your evidence based research if you are wholly confident.

[Anonymous No.13734986]

>>13734961
He's a vegan. You're wasting your time responding to him.

[Anonymous No.13735004]

>Bacon and eggs every morning
>chicken or fish for lunch
>Red meat for dinner
>maybe a salad mixed in somewhere
Do people really have a problem sticking with this?

[Anonymous No.13735021]

>>13734986
>muh vegan
>muh soy
>muh carbs
>muh sugerz

[Anonymous No.13735058]

>>13735004
It's the easiest most satisfying diet. Tons of people are having amazing success on keto. That's why it has become so popular despite a concerted effort to stop it by the media, vegans, and processed food and pharmaceutical shills.

Posts claiming it is difficult are angry vegans.

[Anonymous No.13735061]

Why don't you guys just work out?

[Anonymous No.13735098]

>look up "vegan" in the thread
>20 results
Jesus, this faggot is desperate.

[Anonymous No.13735135]

>>13735061
It's easier to stop eating so much if you need to lose weight compared to working out. You have to run almost two miles to burn the calories from a can of soda. Obviously exercise is still good to stay fit but fixing your diet needs to happen too.

[Anonymous No.13735659]

>>13734511
Ok well you also missed that I'm a girl and I'm not trying to get ripped cause I'm not a huge dyke.

And I hate cardio and I don't care about living until I'm fucking 90. I want to check out at like 65. Unless technology improves and I can become a cyborg or someone figures out how to reverse aging which I heard may happen. But it may not happen in time for me to get it.

[Anonymous No.13735663]

>>13735659
Look, she-beast: we want you to check out *MUCH* sooner than 65 if that's the bull-crap that's going to come from you.

And that's assuming you're already in your 60s.

[Anonymous No.13735672]

>>13734532
Can I just do stretches and be ok? I really fucking hate exercise.

[Anonymous No.13735680]

>>13728282
What are examples of simple and easy to cook keto meals? Bonus points if it is cheap!

[Anonymous No.13735688]

>>13735659
>I don't care about my health when I'm older because being old suxxx lmao
I don't remember it well anymore, but I do remember thinking this as a child of twenty

[Anonymous No.13735762]

>>13735663
>she-beast
Hey look, you missed the part where I said IM NOT A DYKE.

I'm pretty small already and extremely feminine. And I'll check out whenever I want.

[Anonymous No.13735778]

>>13735688
I'm in my 30s and I don't know why people want to live after the point of no return? Look at someone like Clint Eastwood. He's healthy and alive, sure. But he's a fucking walking corpse.
I get that you think that this is an immature way of thinking, but from my point of view, not knowing when it's time to go is sad. After a certain age, depending on the person, the brain stops functioning properly in general. Old people tend to be stuck in their ways. There are a lot of draw backs to aging even if you stay healthy and fit. You can do everything in your power to stay healthy for a long amount of time- but until that aging process is reversible, you'll die eventually, even if you don't want to.

Maybe I'm just immature. But at least I know how to accept the reality that death is gonna happen one way or another.

[Anonymous No.13735869]

>>13735672
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.13735923]

>>13735869
You first

[Anonymous No.13736089]

bros...

https://dark.video/video/kxiqCH

His dick mogs mine

[Anonymous No.13736124]

>>13736089
anyone's dick can mog yours
get out more, stupid.

[Anonymous No.13736408]

Why do people push exercise so hard on those who don't like it or want to do it?
Like, why isn't dieting enough for you? Why does everyone you come into contact with need to work out more cause you think it's important??

[Anonymous No.13736473]

>>13736408

Exercise is literally essential for overall health. Pushing exercise on fatties is like trying to convince junkies to quit their H habit

[Anonymous No.13736483]

>>13734021

LMAO at retards sperging out at this common sense post

No wonder americans are so fat

[Anonymous No.13736579]

>>13736408
Most people who exercise don't. You just think that because of some of the vocal and positively raging autists on the internet, who can't stick to their goals without putting others down.

[Anonymous No.13736616]

>>13736473
>Pushing exercise on fatties is like trying to convince junkies to quit their H habit
I get that but why do you even care? How does this effect you?
If someone doesn't want to exercise and they're fat or maybe they're not fat cause not all skinny people exercise - why do you need them to exercise??

>>13736579
Unfortunately, I have met people who have this mentality. They're not as pushy about it in real life, like I never had some jackass yelling "you should work out more fatty!" aside from my anorexic grandmother, but she was anorexic. However I did have a lot people just drop hints here and there, or try to get me to exercise with them and then when I didn't want to, they thought I was being horrible and that I was sooo unhealthy.

[Anonymous No.13736726]

>>13734945
>In fact, evidence-based research shows that eating a low-carbohydrate diet actually worsens insulin resistance.
Holy fuck, just because bad research exists doesn't make it fact. How could you seriously believe cutting out sugar would worsen insulin resistance? That's is total clown world logic. You understand you want insulin sensitivity to be HIGHER, right, as in you need less insulin for the same effect? Maybe you're confused as to what insulin sensitivity actually means.

[Anonymous No.13736748]

>>13734021
>On low calorie you learn to make better choices without limiting your foods, which will carry over to post diet eating far better. Difficulty keeping weight off is the reason so many people fail "dieting" and keto is objectively worse for this.

CICO has a failure rate around 99%. Virtually no one sticks with it so continuing to promote it is foolish at best. The people who it works for already knew it worked for them. Simple fact of the matter is that someone who's obese and uses a calorie centric approach to losing weight might halve their weight but is going to keep the hunger of their former self. Never mind the idea of preaching dietary self control to someone who's made it VERY clear with their body that they can't be arsed.

>The fast results you see on keto are water weight because you aren't eating carbs. Actual fat loss isn't any better.

What's the harm in shedding water your body was retaining for no reason? You're not crossing a desert.

>Having a carb restricted diet makes it more difficult to have a good diet/life balance just like someone who is vegan wont be able to easily eat with others.

Most restaurants and fast food joints have at least one edible low-carb option. Heaven forbid you eat a salad with a non-sugar based dressing!

>You will be exposed to stupid people who follow trends and spread broscience just like any other fad diet like carnivore, vegan, fast, etc. Any kind of extremism like this always draws low IQ people who have no distinction between random shit someone claims and well documented evidence.

This is actually true up to the point that it claims a low carb diet is 'extreme.' Once you're at maintenance weight even proponents of a low carb diet will tell you that not gorging on refined carbs is more important than remaining in a constant state of ketosis.

[Anonymous No.13736749]

>>13736726
Never reply to anything that claims to be "evidence-based" this is a known weasel word.

[Anonymous No.13736755]

>>13734021
>extremism
propaganda.

[Anonymous No.13736881]

>>13736748
>What's the harm in shedding water your body was retaining for no reason? You're not crossing a desert.
I keep seeing this argument every time keto is brought up now, the whole water weight shit.
If someone is on keto- shouldn't this be a non issue because you should be drinking like a ton of water on a keto diet, right?
you would think that if someone was trying to use keto as a healthy way to lose weight, they would also have a healthy water intake.

[Anonymous No.13736896]

>>13736881
It isn't an issue regardless, the argument is used to invalidate weight loss by claiming the losses are actually "water weight", as in, the muscles are no longer storing as much glycogen, so they're not retaining as much water. It has nothing to do with how much water you drink.

[Anonymous No.13737727]

>>13728282
unironically eating cheese and bacon to get healthier

[Anonymous No.13737742]

>>13737727
You could describe processed carb products as what they are, we've evolved to eat those the same way we evolved to inject pure heroin into out veins.

[Anonymous No.13737764]

Imagine being such a fat fuck that you see a loaf of bread or a pizza slice and you get scared, lmao.

[Anonymous No.13737841]

>>13737764
t. Someone who has no idea what it's like to hang out with skinny women

[Anonymous No.13737853]

I don't believe this fats make you full meme

I could eat so many calories of mixed nuts it's crazy.

[Anonymous No.13737861]

>>13737841
No idea what you're on about, I was thinking of keto followers

[Anonymous No.13737887]

>>13728282
one good thing about keto is that it doesn't have to be perfect. i still eat pasta and cereals but i still mainly get my nourishment from fat and proteins. i also get my vitamins through supplements. i have lost a ton of weight with my diet and also i got my blood samples tested a few weeks back and everything was okay.

[Anonymous No.13737892]

>>13736408
Coca-Cola spent millions of dollars telling everyone they're fat because they don't exercise instead of the reality that they're fat because they drink Coca-Cola.

The power of propaganda.

[Anonymous No.13737956]

>>13737861
I know. I'm telling you that a lot of skinny girls I know won't eat carbs. You're acting like this is only applicable to fattys on keto. Its not.

[Anonymous No.13737995]

>>13730539
>>Keto may sound like a way to shed pounds, but it can have serious health consequences. “You’re altering your metabolism away from what’s normal and into a starved state,” Says brilliant anti-meat doctor Dr Peter Salman.

[Anonymous No.13737999]

>>13730539
>>A high-protein diet also overworks the kidneys. That’s especially worrisome for people with kidney disease and can predispose those with healthy kidneys to kidney stones. Over an extended period of time, excessive protein intake leaches calcium from your bones, which can lead to osteoporosis.

Signed, popular youtube anti-meat advocate "Vegains," who also is near death from getting high on his own supply

[Anonymous No.13738006]

>>13730539
>>When it comes to heart disease, the saturated-fat-laden red meat that’s part of many high-protein diets may actually boost your risk. According to a Harvard study of more than 120,000 people followed for more than 20 years, a meat-based low-carb diet increased the risk of dying from cardiovascular disease by 14 percent.

Signed,
Anti-meat crusader Hom j Dinesh, founder of the american vegan society.

[Anonymous No.13738018]

Reminder that true keto is supposed to be 90/5/5 fat/protein/carbs(excluding fiber), it doesn't even come into effect until you've depleted most of your body's glycemic reserves. What most people end up doing is just low carb that might dip into ketosis once in a while.

[Anonymous No.13738162]

>>13738018
What exactly are people eating to get 90% fat?

[Anonymous No.13739016]

I used to be a fat fuck with an obese BMI, started exercising about a year ago and got on keto/OMAD about 5 months ago and now I'm in the normal BMI range. I feel great and I look awesome, I looked at some old pictures recently and couldn't imagine how I let myself get so fat. Keto really did change my life

[Anonymous No.13739049]

>>13728630
>I'm glad you listed the lifestyle change
it's called not being a fat fuck. everyone knows what they need to do to lose weight. it's not magic. cut out sugary drinks, desserts, fast food, alcohol... or at least cut down.

[Anonymous No.13739066]

>>13736748
>CICO has a failure rate around 99%.
Probably because the majority of overweight people underestimate how many calories they're consuming. Not because it inherently doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.13739071]

>>13735659
>Ok well you also missed that I'm a girl and I'm not trying to get ripped cause I'm not a huge dyke.

Is this bait?

You don't get ripped if you lift weights unless you've been doing it a while and even then gains are slow unless you're using roids. If anything lifting would make you look more sculpted and thicc.

No comparison between a chubby butt and a toned butt with a thin layer of fat.

>And I hate cardio and I don't care about living until I'm fucking 90. I want to check out at like 65.

You do you boo. You are gonna look pretty uggo by 30 if you aren't doing anything now to maintain your looks they only go downhill after that point and the less you worked toward maintaining the faster you go.

[Anonymous No.13739094]

>>13736408

Man is designed to hunt and gather. We would exhaust our prey to death. Literally hunting them until it was too tired to continue running. This design is inseparable from the mechanisms that run our body efficiently, meaning the way nutrients, hormones, digestion even thought all rely on movement for optimal efficiency and connectivity. If you don't move enough those mechanisms break down and cause a whole host of issues with comorbidities.

Depression is the most common. It's not about wanting perfection out of people who can't bother, it's about promoting basic healthy living.

You are designed to run, you aren't designed to sit in a chair.

[Anonymous No.13739103]

>>13728288
Truth
>just force your kidneys to process EVERYTHING that will fix your health problem

[Anonymous No.13739116]

>>13739094
A well trained person probably could run down any animal but hunting to exhaustion was generally done by walking. It’s all about the legs, 4 legs is an evolution for sprinting and it’s all they can do, nonhumans have like no endurance.

[Anonymous No.13739128]

>>13739103

It doesn't. Your level is the organ that does the grunt work processing the food into ketones.


The slurry left over isn't anymore taxing than a carbohydrate rich diet. Suddenly eating cheese is more taxing than eating a bag of dorritos? Not likely.

The added protein (if you choose to add more protein) would be a little more taxing but that is independent of Keto. People on a carbohydrate rich diet can and do consume as much protein or more if they choose.

I'd actually be willing to bet that the lubricating effect of fat is easier on the kidneys than the inflammation effect from carbs.

[Anonymous No.13739139]

>>13739116
>A well trained person probably could run down any animal but hunting to exhaustion was generally done by walking

I think we both agree on the same thing I just used more hyperbolic language. I didn't mean literally running non-stop. I just meant constant motion.

We are more adequately designed to walk constantly than we are to sit or stand.

>It’s all about the legs, 4 legs is an evolution for sprinting and it’s all they can do, nonhumans have like no endurance.

Absolutetly. Humans are good at conserving energy over a long period of time because we're only moving two limbs instead of 4 and we are able to cool ourselves well by movement whereas 4 legged creatures have to pant and has an upper limit of effectiveness that is lower than us. They will need to stop least they overheat. As long as we are properly hydrated we can keep moving indefinitely.

[Anonymous No.13739150]

>>13738018
>90/5/5 fat/protein/carbs(excluding fiber)
That ends up being 25g of protein for the average person, which is like half of the recommended amount for sedentary people. Doesn't sound right.

[Anonymous No.13739168]

>>13734452
You have no idea what you're talking about, carbs and electrolytes both control how much water you hold, how hydrated you stay. Not eating carbs will undeniably lower the amount of water your body holds. I said that the fast results you see, aka, the large drop at the start of the diet, is water loss. Then said that the actual fat loss isn't any faster. This was a response to OP saying "You see the benefits so fast." Learn to read.
I've lost over 100 lbs while tracking electrolytes, carbs, and diuretics like alcohol and the effects they have on my day to day weight versus long term fat loss. I know more about this than you could ever imagine you pseud.

[Anonymous No.13739178]

>>13737887
That's just CICO it isn't keto

[Anonymous No.13739184]

>>13739150
The recommended amount of protein is inflated by meat and dairy lobbying, a sedentary person really only needs like 15g of protein

[Anonymous No.13739195]

>>13739184
It probably is inflated by them a bit but there are too many studies saying otherwise for that to entirely be the case. And for me personally I know that I still have food cravings if I don't get around 65g of protein for the day at least.

[Anonymous No.13739196]

>>13736748
>CICO has a failure rate around 99%
that's because it's been studied, unlike keto. You can't use the lack of evidence in keto to show it's more successful. The studies are always on people who don't want to lose weight so of course they don't. There are millions of people who lose weight and keep it off, and proper lifestyle changes for the after weight loss portion are the reason. You're completely ignoring the point I was making.
>What's the harm in shedding water your body was retaining for no reason? You're not crossing a desert.
There isn't a real harm, aside from the fact that it is mistaken as fat loss in OP's question and in many people who use the diet. It will be regained when carbs are reintroduced and you store glycogen again. Same with a low calorie diet but to a greater extent.
>Most restaurants and fast food joints have at least one edible low-carb option. Heaven forbid you eat a salad with a non-sugar based dressing!
Ignores the point
>This is actually true up to the point that it claims a low carb diet is 'extreme.' Once you're at maintenance weight even proponents of a low carb diet will tell you that not gorging on refined carbs is more important than remaining in a constant state of ketosis.
This is literally CICO not keto. The whole idea that you can cheat on keto with carbs is evidence that keto doesn't have any benefit over just counting calories anyway. Of course you can eat carbs, because they were never the issue in the first place. Eating too much was the issue and eating less is the solution.

[Anonymous No.13739210]

>>13739128

liver* not level.

[Anonymous No.13739267]

>>13728808
what about the issue of high cholesterol?
Is there actually no science to the claim that high cholesterol is a good indicator for heart disease?
I see posts around the web of people testing their cholesterol to be in the 300 range and people commenting saying its great, it has all the signs of a cult, is there truly no good science on cholesterol?

[Anonymous No.13739274]

>>13739267
I think the HDL/LDL ratio is more important than the total level

[Anonymous No.13739294]

>>13739066
>Probably because the majority of overweight people underestimate how many calories they're consuming. Not because it inherently doesn't work.
This is true. Also they under\estimate how many calories they need to be deficit of to get results. In fact the body's natural defense against weight loss triggers satiety to plummet in overdrive to force people to overeat to recoup the losses on top of general metabolic adaptation slowdown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_H-SQnueOI&t=2m51s

Keto is better than the SAD, but only to the extent that it banishes processed/refined meals. My problem with it stems from both the indirect demonization of complex carbs like a simple baked potato which is one the most filling objects you can put in your belly for little calories unless you have it loaded, and the emphasis on protein/fat usually animal based that are very calorie dense and nutrient shallow.
https://nutritiondata.self.com/topics/fullness-factor

Every fork of lean chicken breast or steak is a missed opportunity to have some resistant starch pulses or green leafy veggies in its place that would be lower in calories for the same stomach space and higher in vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CdwWliv7Hg
If you follow a calorie density theory of diet you naturally will gravitate towards a whole food plant based diet.

[Anonymous No.13739296]

>>13739274
ive heard that point expressed before, including something along the lines of a cholesterol relationship with triglycerides. but has any of this been studied? I mean the claims that fat causes heart disease may be bullshit but they were backed up by a lot of doctors of the time and managed to convince governments to change policy based on it. other than taubes and lustig as current advocates and atkins back then, is there any relevant science or is it all inconclusive? I personally feel like there are groups of people who can be omnivorous and be fine normal weight and live healthy lives and then there are groups of people who should have a mainly carb based diet and then there are people for whom keto or low carb diets will work better and this would explain why nutrition science is all over the fucking map. i no longer know what the fuck i should eat anymore but i been giving the low carb a try.

[Anonymous No.13739321]

>>13739296
Some studies say that saturated fat causes heart disease, but I've seen others saying it doesn't cause a problem unless you also have underlying conditions that affect the heart like obesity, being a heavy smoker, or being an alcoholic, and that saturated fat is good for the average person who doesn't have those problems.

Kind of have to do your own thinking about it I guess. People generally ate less hundreds/thousands of years ago but animal fat was held in pretty high regard and if you didn't die due to some disease in childhood or from warfare the average life expectancy was supposed to be in the 60s. Compare that to people dropping dead in their 40s from eating vegetable shortening because of the high amount of trans fat it had which directly caused heart attacks.

[Anonymous No.13739373]

>>13739321
animal meat and fat was always prized because of how expensive it was and how perishable it was it made it a food that only the rich could afford on a daily basis because of the entire supply chain that has to exist before the meat ever reaches your plate. now in america this was different and was seen by many immigrants in the 1800s as an amazing thing that one could have meat everyday, which is why carbohydrate rich diets are such a norm around the world until the population reaches a certain level of wealth that allows for meat to be consumed everyday.

having said that, the thing you say about doing your own thinking is true i do understand that, but you're going to go against the advice of mainstream medicine and against the advice of your doctors if you go on a keto diet or any sort of diet. I have been what is considered to be 20kg overweight pretty much always, last check I did said I have a BMI of 31, my blood pressure is normal and pulse is normal, my cholesterol is within "good range" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean given the science, the only bad indicator of health I have and have always had is too much weight for my height, 195lbs at 5' 7".

of the things I understand I need to do is cut sugar completely out, I have a very hard time with this, and another is cut processed carbs completely out, I also binge eat sometimes, and through all that, my weight has been remarkably consistent. I have moved to a different country where diet has "improved" eating lots of fresh fish and weight came down to 180lbs and then went back to 195lb, so that could be my "set point". I am thinking about going to a endocrinologist for my blood work this year and attempt to go on something more personalized and hoping the doctor will be open minded about experimentation, high fat diet like keto/atkins can be dangerous for some people how do you know you're not one of those groups of people who should stick with carbs?

[Anonymous No.13739481]

>>13739184
Well, they should also be consuming way less calories and carbs, too.

[Anonymous No.13739501]

>>13739373
If you stay on a good diet for a while you can start feeling what your body needs, whether it's more protein, or carbs, or fat. Just have to make good choices for each of those. I'm not really endorsing keto, even though it works for some people for weight loss it's not because all carbs are inherently bad but because most of them probably were making bad food choices before and consuming too much junk food. I think obesity related problems are more likely to cause problems with your back/knees until you get a bit older at which point you might start having more heart problems, more likely to become diabetic, etc.

Cutting out sugar will definitely help, refined sugar seems to be more likely to cause people to overeat. Switching to fruit would help, not only is the sugar from that not bad for you if you eat whole fruit but it's also more satisfying than eating candy for multiple reasons. And other refined carbs also don't make you feel as full as unprocessed forms do. Do you drink soda? That's an easy way to add hundreds of calories without making you feel full. Try switching to seltzer. It might not seem as good at first because your tastebuds are used to having more sugar but you'll adjust eventually.

Another thing worth trying is fasting. You don't have to go days without eating, but cutting back to two meals a day with no snacking will help you get over the need to constantly eat and binge. Or even just trying one meal a day, it's hard to get enough calories to maintain a higher weight when you only fill your stomach once a day. It might be why so many cultures seemed to have holidays that involved fasting so that you don't get too used to having such an abundance of food all the time.

[Anonymous No.13739554]

>>13739501
thanks, and no i no longer drink pop the way I used to, I used to work for a coca cola distributor, and we had fridge full of pop when you come into the ware house on a summer day 90 some degrees there was just nothing better than that, at my worst I would have drunk six cans a day but ever since I moved to a different country I will have pop about once every couple of months. I have tried the fasting omad for a little while but it was difficult on account of my job but I will look more into it, i also no longer eat junk food unless you're counting bakery made pastries in that which consumed either daily or in enough frequency that I understand they are a problem but no candy or pop anymore. The one thing I absolutely love and it helps me a lot with satiety is whole milk it tastes amazing, it helps you feel full its great I don't see that being given out to people as advice except on /fit/

[Anonymous No.13739606]

No problem. If you have a physical job then one meal a day will be a lot harder, just try to balance portion sizes and have one small meal and one bigger one later maybe. Pastries can be okay if you eat small portions but they're usually high in fat and made from refined carbs too which is high calorie and low satiety. So if you want to keep eating them then don't feel the need to finish the entire thing every time.

Milk is fine, you can't just look at the calorie content of it compared to soda which is what some people do. The fat and protein in it make it more satisfying so you're less likely to binge on it like you can with soda. It also does taste slightly sweet if your tastebuds aren't used to huge amounts of sugar from the lactose. And 12 oz of milk only has 18g of carbs from the lactose compared to 40g~ that an average 12 oz soda has, so you'll get way less of a blood sugar spike from milk compared to soda since lactose also doesn't affect it the same way which helps prevent crashes and more binging.

[Anonymous No.13739640]

>>13739590
>If you have a physical job then one meal a day will be a lot harder,
yeah i work on a assembly line at a car factory. one of the points on taubes video that brought it home for me specially with what Id see all over the US was, you had people who had factory jobs and 40% of them were overweight
>do you want to tell me these people are just not moving enough to burn enough calories?
that point and the one about the pima indians and the fat mothers with the malnourished babies because I have seen that. I lived in one of the poorest areas of the USA and a lot of people are massive and I'd watch what some ate and you could argue CICO all you want and a lot of these people would prove to you there is more to it that is why keto makes so much sense. I will tell you I met people in grocery stores while working slinging pop who would tell me "we quit drinking" I'd tell them thats great so how much did you drink before? A 24 pack a day, for a family of four, I never forgot about that woman telling me this. A 24 pack a day of sprite, you know the split there isn't six cans per day per person, someone is drinking more than six. Nevermind the sugar consumption, just look at price, that used to cost 8 or 9 bucks a pack, now its closer to 11 or 12 bucks a pack, that is a lot of fucking money on pop and like her there were thousands of people doing the same and wondering why they can't lose weight. These issues are complex af

[Anonymous No.13739730]

>>13739294
>>13739296
>>13739321
>>13739373
tl;dr
LMAO, cute! Go be a faggot somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.13739785]

>>13739640
CICO is the only thing that matters for weight loss, some guy lost weight while mostly eating Twinkies to prove that point and he said his blood work actually got better after the weight loss. But he probably would've developed more problems if he stayed on that diet. But CICO won't help with general health otherwise and it doesn't deal with the issue of what causes so much overeating in the first place.

I remember reading too that people in Appalachia use government benefits to buy soda and then treat it like a black market item to sell or trade. I guess because it's not as easily available to them all the time they treat it as more valuable compared to people who can have it whenever and see more of the problems with that.

>>13739730
Have a (You). Not wanting to be part of a conversation but clamoring for attention anyway is retarded though, you attention whore.

[Anonymous No.13739786]

>>13739730
>btard

[Anonymous No.13739831]

>count my calories and exercise
>lose 66 pounds
>doctor admits that she's very happy I did it this way instead of some stupid diet

Cutting out specific groups of food, especially carbs, is fucking stupid. Especially because most fatties eat a lot of carbs and sugars and cutting those out cold Turkey makes dieting way harder to start than it needs to be.

[Anonymous No.13739847]

>>13739831
Nigger you were fat as fuck, get off your soap box. You're the last person that should be telling people what to eat. Glad you found something that worked but damn, the fact that you got that fat in the first place proves you should have cut something out way sooner.

[Anonymous No.13739853]

>>13728597
depends, pregnant women sometimes go back to old skin and some get really flabby bellies with lots of lose skin left over. it's mainly genetics

[Anonymous No.13739858]

>>13739785
>reading too that people in Appalachia use government benefits to buy soda and then treat it like a black market item to sell or trade.
its true. we were selling amazing numbers of pop in some of the poorest places, people would buy it on snap and then go across the street where the pawn shop was buying for cash money.

[Anonymous No.13740257]

>>13739168
>the actual fat loss isn't any faster
>I know more about this than you could ever imagine you pseud.
You're absolutely clueless.

You lose body fat much faster on low carb diets compared to any other.

Try reading the thread. See: >>13728909

[Anonymous No.13740336]

Keto is interesting. I think it does help and isn't just a meme fad diet, I definitely notice a difference when I am in ketosis, but it's not some miracle thing. It changes your cravings and reduces your appetite, the kind of foods you are typically able to eat on keto are generally healthier and more filling. I've done fasting too, although I only go a day or two to avoid that saltwater bullshit. I got to the point where I was downing capfulls of high-sodium hot sauce just so that I could drink fresh water, and realized it was retarded and unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.13740448]

>>13740336
You can just drink fresh water on a fast.

David Blaine water fasted for 40 days and all he got was a phosphorus deficiency. Your kidneys retain salt.

Snake juice is absolutely 100% retardation. People like to complicate things.

[Anonymous No.13741224]

>>13739094
>You are designed
shut up creationist. No one "designed" me. I'm part of evolution.

[Anonymous No.13741240]

>>13739071
No it's not bait.
I was told by someone I know and trust that I don't want to be lifting weights because I don't want my arms or upper body to get bigger. I want it to get as small as it can.
I don't want to be thicc either. I want to be small.

>you're gonna look pretty uggo by 30
I'm 32 and people still mistake me for being in high school. Not even humble bragging because I'm honestly sick of getting carded and hit on by fucking high schoolers.

[Anonymous No.13741287]

>>13741240
The ripped women are all on steroids. You don't accidentally get ripped, especially not as a woman.

[Anonymous No.13741314]

>>13728310
>Simple as that
>American obesity and overweight rates continue to climb even though everyone has been spouting off your advice for a decade or longer
It's not working.

[Anonymous No.13741323]

>>13728911
It's not denying thermodynamics. It's saying that CICO is too low of a level to be useful advice. It's like saying "To beat the boss in the video game, just make his health reach 0,". Useless advice. Also, most CICO advocates imagine that CO is a fixed function of your daily activity, but that's not true. Your body changes your CO depending on your CI. You can easily track this by measuring average body temperature on differing amounts of calories and macro compositions. All of the CICO people are reductionist retards.

"Why did this car accident occur?" "Because you were going 100 mph then slowed down to 0mph within a few feet." Ok gee, thanks.

[Anonymous No.13741480]

>>13741287
I don't think you understand. I don't even want to look like pic related. She's not really ripped, but she's definitely built and sculpted. Which is not what I'm looking for at all.

[Anonymous No.13741526]

>>13741480
You're the one who isn't understanding, that's 8 weeks of hard work (plus better lighting), and she was already athletic. You're not going to achieve that even if you try, which you're not going to because like you said, that's not your goal. You need to get it out of your head that you can wind up with bigger muscles than you planned for, that's simply impossible. Your body lacks the hormones to support that growth, and you're obviously not going to be using a workout routine geared towards building muscle mass. You're not going to end up built or sculped, and you have a serious misconception regarding the effort and preparation bodybuilding takes, especially as a natural female.

[Anonymous No.13741585]

>>13741480
Just do cardio then. But it takes a really long time to build muscle and even guys don't really get huge from it unless they're also taking steroids, they might get a bit bigger but they end up just looking for toned. Women don't build as much muscle either like others have mentioned. And you could stick with light weights to build endurance without really increasing size.

I wonder if she was on something to help build muscle in that second pic too, her shoulders also look like they got quite a bit bigger in just 8 weeks. It's easy to tell when a guy is on steroids but I haven't seen as many comparisons with women to really tell. A lot of them will also go into calorie deficits to get to unhealthily low levels of bodyfat to look bigger but the average person doesn't have that happen either.

[Anonymous No.13742250]

>>13741314
But you see when you're autistic taking things like humans into account is just not in the cards.

[Anonymous No.13742304]

>>13741314
That's because they are not following it.

[Anonymous No.13742307]

>>13741240
>I'm 32 and people still mistake me for being in high school.
Kek, people who say stuff like this are in denial.

[Anonymous No.13742523]

>>13741526
Well yea dude, I'm not gonna work out. I have no desire to look thicc like mentioned before. Nor looking sculpted.
Also I'm super short and I know for a fact short people get ripped really easy. And my upper body is already big. I'm not gonna try to sculpt that. I want to just lose all the upper body weight I have. Like the fattest part of my body is probably my arms.
If my arms are already big, I'm not gonna start lifting.

>>13741585
>guys don't really get huge from it unless they're also taking steroids
Not from what I've seen? I know a guy who got really big doing construction work and he only did like heavy bulking. I know he wasn't on steroids too cause he can't afford to.

Also the girl in that pic cant afford roids either. She could barely afford the expensive fashion hobby she was into before she started working out.

See pic related- I want to get skinny like this. There is no reason for me to tone or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.13742542]

>>13742307
I'm not in denial. I fully admit I'm fat. But I'm also Asian which is very commonly mistaken for being young due to young looking facial features.

[Anonymous No.13742551]

>>13742304
>my instructions don't work
>but my instructions can't be wrong because i am perfect
>they must not be following my instructions!

[Anonymous No.13742581]

>>13742551
cope

[Anonymous No.13742594]

>>13742581
Why do you think your completely different study is relevant?

>Methods
>Body composition was measured by dual energy X‐ray absorptiometry, and RMR was determined by indirect calorimetry at baseline, at the end of the 30‐week competition and 6 years later.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.21538

[Anonymous No.13742609]

>>13730780
Then you should just eat less. There is nothing easier to do than nothing

[Anonymous No.13742610]

>>13742594
Put the fork down, fattie.

[Anonymous No.13742621]

>>13742581
>@bdccarpentar
That doesn't seem like a trusted source

>>13742551
>new york times
Fucking lmao

[Anonymous No.13742625]

>>13742609
I'm going back to my meat n veggie diet cause that works for people I know and trust and it worked for me until I got off the diet due to my living situation.
I'm definitely not taking actual advice from retard anons on this board.

[Anonymous No.13742635]

>>13742610
Try to articulate why you think what you are posting is relevant to the discussion.

The Biggest Loser study was done on people who lost weight and gained it back because of metabolic adaptation. You're linking studies on people who never lost any weight. If they didn't lose weight obviously they experienced no metabolic adaptation. The selection criteria makes your studies irrelevant and pointless.

The biggest loser study measured their metabolism with indirect calorimetry. It's not self-reported.

>Metabolic adaptation persists over time and is likely a proportional, but incomplete, response to contemporaneous efforts to reduce body weight.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.21538

>>13742621
Here's the citation, genius:

Fothergill, E., Guo, J., Howard, L., Kerns, J.C., Knuth, N.D., Brychta, R., Chen, K.Y., Skarulis, M.C., Walter, M., Walter, P.J. and Hall, K.D. (2016), Persistent metabolic adaptation 6 years after “The Biggest Loser” competition. Obesity, 24: 1612-1619. doi:10.1002/oby.21538

[Anonymous No.13742644]

>>13742635
>m-my metabolism is too low
>*devours three Big Macs*
>d-damn you jeanattics

[Anonymous No.13742651]

>>13742644
I've been at a healthy weight for years thanks to keto.

Metabolic adaptation to calorie restricted diets is a scientifically proven fact. It is indisputable. That's why you can't respond coherently.

[Anonymous No.13742701]

>>13742635
Your citation is from a fucking reality show?

[Anonymous No.13742783]

>>13742701
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_(journal)

[Anonymous No.13743478]

>>13742523
Kek enjoy your loose skin.

[Anonymous No.13743642]

>>13743478
I've seen 2 different kinds of theories about that recently.
One is that it only happens if you lose weight too fast.
Two is that you only get that if you're really big and the skin is already stretched out too much.
So neither of those apply to me.

[Anonymous No.13743697]

>>13743642
How fat are you?

[Anonymous No.13744115]

>>13729064
drink water
stop drinking alcohol/soda
that alone will make 80% of fatties/overweight people shit out 5kg a week.

if you're genuinely fat from eating then cut down portion size, count calories, dont snack between your 3 meals a day.
eat healthy shit like meat n 3veg for dinner.

it's not fucking hard, just have some self control and put down the pringles and soda, fatboy.