Coffee Time General /ctg/

[Anonymous No.13688766]

Animu girl edition. This thread is for all coffee related discussion and inquiries.

>what are you drinking
>where is it from
>getting anymore

Previous thread >>13625406

[Anonymous No.13688779]

What's my opinion on chicory

[Anonymous No.13688835]

How to make yummy iced tea like what markets sell?

[Anonymous No.13688847]

>>13688835
by drinking coffee

[Anonymous No.13688867]

>>13688847
I hate coffee

[Anonymous No.13688884]

i can't drink coffee, it stresses me the fuck out :(

[Anonymous No.13688886]

is coffee good for you??????

[Anonymous No.13688925]

>>13688366
I meant more that you won't know how to taste for the various indicators of poor extraction. If you pull a lot of shots and you're really diligent and systematic in the way that you control and adjust your variables you will get there in the end, like I said. I'm just saying I don't envy you having to build up that knowledge base on your own with no outside references.

[Anonymous No.13688934]

Having some more coffee, I drink light roast black. don't need nothing else.

[Anonymous No.13688966]

>>13688886
probably?

[Anonymous No.13688978]

>>13688886
I'm not sure

[Anonymous No.13689032]

Even though I knew the coffee is burnt and it was nearly out of date, I still bought 2 bags of hemisfares chiapa beans because they were marked down to half price. I'm not having a good time with this one.

[Anonymous No.13689108]

About to make my second 10-cup pot of the day, and it's only 1PM.

[Anonymous No.13689233]

>>13688766
I just got a Timemore slim yesterday. I know it's mostly recommended for pourover, but I think its pretty great for espresso too. I got some beans from Trader Joes to experiment with, I really like it so far. Grinding to espresso took longer than expected though, around 3 minutes for 20 grams or so. Still, i really like it.

[Anonymous No.13689296]

Why are coffefags always so far up their own asses?

[Anonymous No.13690118]

>>13688779
That you don't have one.

[Anonymous No.13690128]

>>13689296
Why are you being a little bitch in every coffee thread?

[Anonymous No.13690825]

Any fellow loli pantsu-filtered cawfee lovers?

[Anonymous No.13690868]

>>13690825
For me, it's Russian tea, brewed in a pair of used pantyhose, then strained through a pair of pantyhose as they're being worn. Embarrassment and disgust are the best seasonings.

[Anonymous No.13691158]

>>13689233
Post grind size, both filtercoarse and what you're using for espresso.

[Anonymous No.13691229]

[Anonymous No.13691878]

>>13688884
If it's from the caffeine, then drink decaf. That's what I do.

[Anonymous No.13691900]

>>13689233
>I just got a Timemore slim yesterday.
>I really like it so far.
I've been shilling Timemore to save people from buying shit grinders and I'm extremely pleased to read this. I don't think it's particularly suited for espresso since the adjustment is too coarse, but I'm really happy you like your new grinder Anon.

[Anonymous No.13691922]

Why are coffeefags always so far up their own asses?

[Anonymous No.13691944]

>>13691158
Will post pic tomorrow morning, anon. For perspective espresso is around Lavassa coarseness at 12 clicks, more consistent though. Not as much dust. I have to dial in filter though.I tried 20 clicks and it was a bit sour, but much better than my blade and shit like Folgers.
>>13691900
It made me understand why James Hoffmann doesnt like that its stepped. 11 clicks makes it waaay too bitter, while 12 makes it a tad sour. 11.5 would be the best, at least with the beans I have. I love that it makes next to no dust, its extremely consistent, better than the ones at the store. This is my first manual grinder and Im happy I saved for it instead of getting a Hario or something. Thanks for recommending it, anon

[Anonymous No.13692011]

>>13688766

[Anonymous No.13692017]

>>13691944
Good shit brew, what was the shipping time like?


Everything is flashed and ready for the roaster, have the tc4 communicating with artisan just fine. I think it would be pretty funny to build it inside of aluminum coffee cans so I'm going to cut some down tomorrow and hopefully do a test roast or two. Brazilian beans get here monday so I'll roast up a batch or two of those before sealing everything up.

[Anonymous No.13692052]

>>13692017
3 weeks, pretty good taking coronachan into account

[Anonymous No.13692182]

>>13692011

[Anonymous No.13692224]

>buy new bag of beans
>open it and make flat white
>amazing taste can see where the roasters are coming from
>day 3 with same beans
>tastes decent but not special
What are some ways to preserve bean freshness?

[Anonymous No.13692251]

>>13692224
vacuum seal the beans maybe?

[Anonymous No.13692323]

Starbucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXfAOdysSo

[Anonymous No.13692611]

Closest way to get to espresso at home without espresso machine? I had this Nespresso machine I just sold because it made 3/10 coffee. But what now, is mocca pot any close to espresso?

[Anonymous No.13692630]

>>13692611
Former barista here, don't bother. Seriously do not bother. You can make better pourover at home than at a coffee shop. You can make better aeropress at home. You can make better iced coffee at home. You cannot make better, or even almost as good espresso, without spending several thousand dollars and throwing out a lot of grounds constantly. There's a reason the shop guys are constantly tossing out test shots, you have to keep adjusting the grind for ambient temperature and humidity. I make $130k a year now and I would never dream of even attempting home espresso, it's just stupid, I'd rather spend that on something more practical, like a $5000 watch that doesn't tell good time, or an instagram photo of some exotic faraway destination that everyone else also has an instagram photo of, or maybe some narcotics, or one of those peloton bikes so I can pretend to care about exercise.

Similar to making your own bread, except worse because you can actually make good bread at home for cheap if you just want to waste vast amounts of time.

Walk down the street, order the espresso from someone who is standing there all day making shots, drink it standing up, done.

tl;dr it's a waste of time

[Anonymous No.13692649]

>>13692630
So which one of these methods makes coffee similar to espresso? I mean small thick shot with crema. I don't think I have had any other coffee drink than espresso for past 5 years, everything else is too watery or milky.

[Anonymous No.13692718]

>>13692649
Crema is a symptom of a mix containing a lot of robusta and is not inherently a sign of a good tasting cup.

[Anonymous No.13692727]

>>13692718
But it is a sign of a coffee I like compared to some thin brown dripping water.

[Anonymous No.13692730]

>>13692727
Pursue the taste, not the symptom of the taste. Your logic is how we get stuff like fake grill marks printed on fake food.

[Anonymous No.13692737]

>>13692730
?? all I am saying is that I don't like watery coffee so I am looking for method that is at least close to the real espresso. Yes it has to taste good too, I guess that's pretty obvious.

[Anonymous No.13692750]

>>13692737
You don't like watery coffee. Fine. It doesn't follow from that that you can only (let alone should) try to do that by making fake home espresso. You should aim to do the best job you can with the equipment you have available instead of trying to mindlessly ape what you consider "the best" without understanding why "the best" delivered a result you liked.

https://handground.com/grind/an-intuitive-guide-to-coffee-solubles-extraction-and-tds

[Anonymous No.13692766]

>>13692750
I don't have any equipment at the moment. I don't even know if you can prepare just one small cup by all those methods, I guess not really. That's why I asked about mocca pot at first because I know they make also small ones just for one small cup of coffee.

[Anonymous No.13692779]

>>13692737
you do realize if you spent five seconds scooping the pseudo crema off your nespresso coffee when you had it you would see...”watery coffee”?
and if you scooped crema off an espresso shot at a cafe you would see “watery coffee”?
the point is that crema is a byproduct of the espresso or nespresso brewing process and has no relation to the quality of coffee brewed. it quite literally means nothing
you’ve convinced yourself that nespresso is too low class for you because other people on the internet told you it is and now you have some unreachable goal of what coffee should be
if you think a coffee is too “watery”, you can use less water. it’ll probably taste like shit because you have no idea what you’re talking about, but at least you’ll have the monstrosity you want
outside of wealthy hobbyists, no one should own a home espresso machine and this point has been argued to death by people much more experienced than you

[Anonymous No.13692788]

>>13692766
>i threw out my $200 single serve machine because commercial automation bad
>i don’t have any equipment and have never used any equipment
>help me buy an espresso machine
do you just spend all day forming opinions based on what other people post or something? what’s wrong with your life?

[Anonymous No.13692822]

>>13692779
I don't think so, thing is you don't put the crema away and if you drink small espresso with crema (or even without it) I still find it more intense/rich/thick/whatever than lungo or americano or some other coffee that just contains more water per same shot.
To sumarize, I don't care if my coffee won't have crema at all in the end, I don't know why you hooked to this that much just because I mentioned it once together with other things. I never said I am looking for crema providing machine and that's my one and only requirement.

>>13692788
I bought nespresso machine used, then used it for over year and then sold it to some guy. I didn't throw anything away. Also I didn't decide to get rid of it because of what internet says but because after some time I started to notice more and more the same generic taste in all of their coffee range and didn't like it that much anymore. I just stopped enjoying it, it was just convenient.
And I don't want real espresso machine, never said that.
Whole that green text is just one big shitpost.

[Anonymous No.13692844]

>>13692611
I'm sorry these other anons can't read. You asked if it's possible to get close to espresso at home WITHOUT a machine and for some reason they're trying to convince you not to buy a machine.

To answer your question, no it's not possible. You can't approximate the flavor of espresso without high pressure (9 bar is considered to be more or less standard). A Moka pot or an Aeropress will barely get you to 1.5 bar.

[Anonymous No.13692848]

>>13688766
I'm drinking yorkshire gold tea, got it from the supermarket, and I'm getting more in a few weeks.

[Anonymous No.13692877]

>>13692718
What a bizarre claim to make. It's true that robusta tends to produce more crema than arabica but there's as much variation within arabica beans as there is between robusta and arabica. If you think you can determine the amount of robusta in a blend from the amount of crema you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.13692883]

>>13692877
t. Lavazza employee

People have gotten wise to your tricks, good luck clinging to relevance by flooding fancy asian shopping malls with Lavazza boutiques. I'll be over here drinking single origin god shots where the crema is basically gone by the time the cup reaches my mouth

[Anonymous No.13692885]

>>13692630
If you can't pull decent shots on a fully manual, you shouldn't be pulling shots.

[Anonymous No.13692890]

>>13692883
You really can't read, can you? You ignored that other anon's question and now you're misunderstanding me. I never said crema is good. I said your claim that crema is just a symptom of robusta is absurd. But you can't defend that claim because it's flat out wrong.

[Anonymous No.13692896]

>>13692885
>if you can't recompile the loonix kernel and use telnet to imap your way into the mail server every time you want to check email you shouldn't be using a computer
Every board is like this, I wonder why

For the record I grew up with an old timey lever action espresso machine. It's a great parlor trick, the hibachi grill knife flip of coffee. There's a reason the industry moved on, if you'd ever used modern equipment you'd understand

[Anonymous No.13692905]

>>13692890
There is no need for this to be a serious discussion, Lavazza-kun, because your objection is just a lame excuse to be pedantic over an unrelated question. The nespresso guy wanted something that "has a good crema" because in his mind that's the mark of good tasting coffee. It isn't. Sometimes crema is on good coffee, sometimes it's on bad coffee. Sometimes a good shot has crema, sometimes it doesn't. You seem to be uninterested in those facts and more interested in defending the stock prices of the Lavazza Corporation (NASDAQ: LVZZ). You might actually be good at that. Hopefully so, because you aren't very good at making coffee that tastes good

[Anonymous No.13692913]

>>13692896
Congrats, you lost all credibility. The industry "moved on" because it was booming and it's too difficult to train thousands of transient workers (no American considers barista a career) how to use a lever machine. But guess what? The industry continued to move on and developed pressure profiling precisely because they recognized that lever machines pull better shots.

[Anonymous No.13692918]

>>13692905
Lavazza is shit and no one should buy it. Can we move on from the shill accusations now? I was pointing out that no one should take your opinion seriously because you don't even know what crema is. Yes, crema is unrelated to shot quality. But saying that it's just an indication of robusta is moronic. Now you're deflecting because you can't defend that. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about so the other anons can ignore you.

[Anonymous No.13692922]

>>13692913
>very good reasons are bad reasons
>being a lifelong barista is a valid career choice
Also it seems like in your head you've inadvertently confused using a lever to control preinfusion with just being able to preinfuse the puck in general. It's alright, I wouldn't expect a lifer to grasp the possibility that the lever is the symptom and not the cause. Not unlike the crema

[Anonymous No.13692923]

>>13692905
Nespresso guy here again, crema is just one of things I associate with espresso as I use to drink it outside. I'd rather have espresso without crema than capsule coffee with crema for sure. The coffee I drink at work doesn't have crema either and it's definitely better than nespresso machine I had.

[Anonymous No.13692924]

>>13692918
This butthurt brought to you by the Lavazza Corporation

Next you're going to start with the "but not ALL robusta" thing, right?

[Anonymous No.13692930]

>>13692922
>I have no idea what pressure profiling is

[Anonymous No.13692948]

>>13692930
Oh look it's doing that thing again that it did with the "if you think hurr hurr robusta" argument

[Anonymous No.13692961]

>>13692948
Except pressure profiling is pretty much the entire reason to use a lever machine instead of a conventional semi-automatic machine so it's extremely relevant to this discussion.

So let's recap. You don't know what crema is, you don't know what pressure profiling is and you don't know how to pull a good shot of espresso. Not sure at this point why any of the newfags would take anything you say seriously so my work here is done.

[Anonymous No.13692984]

>>13692948

Upjumped baristas are worse than people who buy $2400 de-1s and think they're Hidenori Izaki.

>If you can't pull decent shots on a fully manual, you shouldn't be pulling shots.

If you can't cook a meal on the worst electric coil, you can't cook on the best induction top. Somehow you've equated technique to equipment. Better equipment may give you a more efficient work flow, resulting in you getting out a few more drinks to a busy line, and you getting just a few more $2 tips. Its not going to make you better espresso.

[Anonymous No.13692986]

>>13688766
>generals on /ck/
Newfags everywhere.

[Anonymous No.13692995]

>>13692961
I thought we agreed that we were talking about a commercial setting and not a home hobbyist sperg kit with hand soldered PIDs and leaky DIY alterations to the kitchen plumbing, no? So then it's safe to assume this isn't a competition between a thrift store La Pavoni with cracked gaskets and a $100 push-button Braun home "espresso" machine that squirts out 2.5 bar lukewarm garbage juice at either full power or zero.

But what else should I expect from someone pushing pre-ground burned ashes out of a vacuum seal brick. Can't win at taste, so you have to pretend the argument is about something else.

[Anonymous No.13693005]

>>13692984
I don't know who this post is directed at so I'll just assume you're getting multiple people confused. Good equipment matters, yes. The original and still best understanding of espresso is a quick shot of coffee in the middle of the work day. Anything that maintains quality while improving efficiency is a good thing. The point of coffee is not to post sepia toned images on instagram about your twee little shop that has no customers. Coffee is to be consoomed. To the extent that humans have to be involved in its production you have the right to be proud of whatever role you may serve, but when you slow things down for the sake of the #gram, people stop liking you and yes, we stop tipping too.

[Anonymous No.13693021]

>>13693005
Yeah I misclicked. The decades old advice from espressofags is 200 degrees, 9 bars, and 40 seconds. You'll have espresso worth drinking. How you get there is not an issue. The only reason for a cafe to run a 3 group slayer is the curb appeal for morons who don't drink espresso but see some shiny chrome on the counter being worked by a college dropout with a messy manbun. This is who he's trying to please. This is who keeps his lights on.

[Anonymous No.13693266]

@13692986
>meanwhile /g/ is full of them

[Anonymous No.13694413]

>>13691158
On the left is filter at 21 clicks, which is subject to change. On the right is espresso at 12 clicks. I've found it to be the best for taste, although 11 clicks produces a much prettier shot

[Anonymous No.13694425]

You sound like a working class chump. I bet you thought it would be a great "investment", how you would wake up to a hot, invigorating cup of coffee to start off your long day. Maybe, you even had a couple thoughts about all the other nifty little uses you could find for the thing, how it would help you cook healthier meals in general, shed a couple pounds off the old gut, boost your confidence around work and with the ladies. Yeah, maybe that instant pot would start your life cooking again, wouldn't it? I can see your strained hands holding the box and reading through it carefully at the store. A little bit pricey, but you're the type of guy who thinks everything is more than you can spend, aren't you. And look what happened to you. Look what the instant pot did to you. Fucked you over, and made you clean it like a useless bitch. You don't even fucking like coffee. Piece of shit, you've been repeating those three words your whole life, haven't you. Yeah, how was work after that piece of shit fucked you over? I bet it was on your mind the whole day, you probably didn't say shit to nobody. Can't be telling people about your mistakes. How your little fix yourself plan, failed you. Don't want people to start thinking you're the failure. You're the piece of shit, all along. You don't want that do you? You don't want to be the piece of shit everybody secretly whispers about, do you? Was your father a piece of shit like you? I bet he never had an instant pot. He had a woman, a house, a damn good job. I bet it's pressure cooking you the fuck alive, isn't it. Comparing yourself to him. How one day when all the steam runs our of your life, you'll discover how you're nothing more than burnt shit to be scrapped off and thrown in the trash

[Anonymous No.13694898]

@13694425
Cheap ramen pasta

[Anonymous No.13694922]

>>13692224
use mason jars anon

[Anonymous No.13695441]

>>13694425
Terrible work, you just changed one word in one sentence. Let me fix for you:

>You sound like a working class chump. I bet you thought it would be a great "investment", how you would wake up to a strong, crema-capped demitasse of espresso to start off your long day. Maybe, you even had a couple thoughts about all the other nifty little uses you could find for the thing, how it would help you be more active in general, shed a couple pounds off the old gut, boost your confidence around work and with the ladies. Yeah, maybe that espresso machine would inject some steam back into your life, wouldn't it? I can see your strained hands holding the box and reading through it carefully at the store. A little bit pricey, but you're the type of guy who thinks everything is more than you can spend, aren't you. And look what happened to you. Look what the espresso machine did to you. Fucked you over, and made you clean it like a useless bitch. You don't even fucking like coffee. Piece of shit, you've been repeating those three words your whole life, haven't you. Yeah, how was work after that piece of shit fucked you over? I bet it was on your mind the whole day, you probably didn't say shit to nobody. Can't be telling people about your mistakes. How your little fix yourself plan, failed you. Don't want people to start thinking you're the failure. You're the piece of shit, all along. You don't want that do you? You don't want to be the piece of shit everybody secretly whispers about, do you? Was your father a piece of shit like you? I bet he never had an espresso machine. He had a woman, a house, a damn good job. I bet it's pressure profiling you the fuck alive, isn't it. Comparing yourself to him. How one day when the tank runs dry and it won't hold 9 bars anymore, you'll discover how you're nothing more than wet grounds to be scrapped off and thrown in the trash

[Anonymous No.13695694]

I love a good espresso but my favorite coffee is whenever dunkin iced coffee is a little stronger then usual

[Anonymous No.13695897]

>>13691944
>This is my first manual grinder and Im happy I saved for it instead of getting a Hario or something. Thanks for recommending it, anon
You just made my day.

[Anonymous No.13695910]

>>13692611
Cafelat Robot or the Flair make real espresso at home. They're completely manual machines but they're only $200-$360.

[Anonymous No.13695922]

>>13692883
Doesn't Monsooned Malabar produce a lot of crema?

[Anonymous No.13696039]

>>13692630
>would never dream of even attempting home espresso
A hand-lever one works without buying a $1000+ cafe-styled espresso machine for just two cups a day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxlGz2OH6lY

[Anonymous No.13696111]

>>13695922
Sure does. I'm drinking a blend with alot of monsoon'd right now. Crema overload.

>>13696039
You should probably listen to that guy. He used to work at a starbucks in a Target.

[Anonymous No.13696212]

7 times out of 10, even while gently pouring water into the chamber, the gravity-press filter will become disturbed by grind floating and puffing up.
I'm trying that sort of technique of "pre-wetting" the grind with a bit of water to make it into a more unified bed of grind so that it doesn't become disturbed as easily, but it happens often anyways.
Any way to avoid? Should I get some of those "screw-down-type" filters?

[Anonymous No.13696279]

>>13696212
What do you mean by "disturbed"?

In Vietnam they tend not to use freshly ground coffee so the grounds are mostly degassed before the brewing even begins. If you're grinding fresh, try blooming (what you call pre-wetting) for a bit longer. You may see benefits from blooming as long as 1 minute. If you allow the grounds to completely degas before your main pour they shouldn't float much.
Another thing you can try is pouring your water directly onto the handle of the "gravity-press filter", as you call it. This will cause the water to spread out and flow very gently into the bed. I'm not sure how easy this would be if you don't have a gooseneck kettle but it's worth a try.

[Anonymous No.13696331]

>>13696279
Ah I see. I suppose "gassing/floating" are better words. I never even knew about the possibility of degassing - I will definitely try it out next time.
Good that I am already pouring onto the handle with a gooseneck - at least I'm doing one thing right.
Thank you for the tips. Can't wait to try tomorrow morning.

[Anonymous No.13696814]

>>13692630
>>13692718
>>13692730
>>13692750
>>13692779
what an insufferable faggot

[Anonymous No.13696850]

>>13696212
>gravity press
You're supposed to give it a bit of a manual squeeze.
Try pre-soaking for two minutes

[Anonymous No.13696874]

>>13688766
Recommend me coffee beans grinders, I'm finna boutta upgrade my shit. From pre-grinded coffee to grinding my own. What should I be looking for? Pls compact size (my kitchen is smol) and not ridiculous-tier price range pl0s.

[Anonymous No.13696904]

>>13696874
Conical burr. Glass grind receptical is a bonus to avoid static cling but not necessary.
Smolest possible grinder will be a manual like Hario Skerton but manual grinding is tiresome

[Anonymous No.13697008]

>finally get around to descaling my kettle and cleaning out my coffee grinder after a year without maintenance
>coffee suddenly tastes miles better

[Anonymous No.13697035]

>>13697008
Weird. I've used the same kettle twice a day for 5 years, I've never washed it even once, and the insides look exactly the same as the day I bought it. Have you tested your water hardness? You may be able to vastly improve the quality of your brews if you start filtering.

[Anonymous No.13697055]

>>13697035
what sort of filter? i use a basic carbon filter, but i was under the impression that carbon filters can't remove calcium

[Anonymous No.13697092]

>>13697055
I guess the only way is with a water softener which it seems costs at least $300 for a really cheap one and you have to do some basic plumbing. I didn't know this because the water is already soft where I live.
I know some people with hard water buy bottled distilled water and then add a mineral tablet to make it ideal for brewing. Personally I hate the idea of buying bottled water but if the coffee is incomparably better maybe it's worth it?

[Anonymous No.13697108]

>>13696039
Your definition of "works" is pretty broad. I think you'd be fine with nescafe. Give it a shot, you might be surprised
>>13696111
>>13695922
Hello samefag

[Anonymous No.13697119]

I implore everyone not to engage the troll in this thread. I don't need to (You) him because everyone knows who he is and poking him will only embolden him. He will not shit up our cozy general.

[Anonymous No.13697144]

>>13697092
i rent, so a water softener probably wouldn't fly with my landlord
honestly, i'm pretty happy with my brew quality for now, and it would likely take a significant time/money investment to improve it

[Anonymous No.13697152]

>>13697144
I think you can actually reduce softness with a reverse osmosis filter which can be installed on the end of a faucet but the important thing is that you're happy with your brew so I guess it's irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.13697190]

>>13697119
I agree, the lever machine guy is basically the grant peterson of coffee and should be shunned

[Anonymous No.13697930]

>>13696874
Timemore slim. Few brews in here were just talking about it.

>>13697108
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.13697957]

>>13688766
Keurig Donut Shop here, not too bad really, call me a pleb if you must

[Anonymous No.13697980]

i have an older krups grinder and a small french press, which is exactly 1 cup of coffee
thing is, i usually dont have enough time to let the boiling water from kettle to cool down and when i make coffee, its not very tasty
should i get a drip coffee machine? are they decent enough for someone who isnt a coffee connoisseur and just wants an energizing drink?

[Anonymous No.13698136]

Help me out brothers. I've hated coffee all my life but about a year ago I started to really enjoy it all of the sudden. Now I need to know the best simple way to make small servings of coffee at home. French press? Pour-over filter? I'm a little lost.

tl;dr: what's a good beginner coffee making kit for small batches

[Anonymous No.13698145]

>>13698136
keurig shill here, sorry for shilling

get a keurig

[Anonymous No.13698179]

Good(?) packet/powder coffee? Going back to college and can't bring machines or anything of the sort so I can only resort to powder/packet kinds.

[Anonymous No.13698195]

>>13698145
Absolutely not. Those machines are a nightmare.
t. engineer

[Anonymous No.13698200]

>>13697980
You say you don't want something that's not very tasty but you also say that you just want an energizing drink. Which is it? Do you care about flavor or not? You're more likely to get a good cup out of a French press than a drip machine but if you're so short on time that you can't stick to a good workflow you'll never get anywhere and you'd be better off with something automatic.

>>13698136
What kind of coffee was it that changed your mind?

[Anonymous No.13698212]

>>13698179
Your dorm doesn't even have a kitchenette with a kettle? Some of the best coffee brewing methods require only a kettle and a single non-electric instrument that's the same size as a mug.

[Anonymous No.13698252]

>>13698200
just because i drink coffee mainly for its energizing properties, doesnt mean i dont want to enjoy the taste or else i'd be swallowing caffeine pills
i just cant manage to brew a good one with frenchpress/kettle combo
[spoiler]i really enjoy the coffee from those coffee dispenser machines tho

[Anonymous No.13698269]

Do you put sugar in your coffee

[Anonymous No.13698281]

>>13698200
>What kind of coffee was it that changed your mind?

Nothing. I just started liking coffee. Anything from awful Folgers singles to a girlfriend's Cafe du Monde chicory shit.

[Anonymous No.13698285]

>>13698269
sometimes

i prefer black or black with half and half

[Anonymous No.13698287]

>>13698252
It's really easy to make a good French press. The only thing is you do have to be patient and it seems that time is an issue for you. If you can find the time, I would suggest brewing your coffee like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st571DYYTR8
If you don't have time for that, there isn't really another manual technique that's any faster so your only options are a drip machine, a fully automatic espresso machine or instant.

[Anonymous No.13698293]

>>13698281
The reason I asked is because every coffee making technique has its own unique flavor characteristics so without knowing what kind of coffee you like it's difficult to recommend something.

[Anonymous No.13698301]

>>13691944
You should have gotten something actually good like a Kinu instead of listening to that retard and taking a half-measure on your grinder. Now you've shelled out for a Timemore, and if you want to improve you'll just have to shell out again for a nice grinder, when you could have just bought a nice grinder to begin with.

[Anonymous No.13698321]

how much coffee do you guys drink that you invest in these things?

I can have like one, MAYBE one and a half and im wired and anxious

[Anonymous No.13698327]

>>13696904
can you tell me any brands I could easily find that would be quality?

>>13697930
I would like one that is automatic 2bh

[Anonymous No.13698332]

>>13698321
I have a decent espresso setup
drink 1 cappuccino daily, double shot. Been doing it for years

[Anonymous No.13698344]

>>13698301
If i was intrested in the top of the line I would have gotten a La Pavoni instead of a Flair. A kinu isnt for someone like me. I dont spend hours upon hours looking for the absolute best way to make coffee. I just wanted decent coffee at home, not the best of the best.

[Anonymous No.13698347]

>>13698327
Xeoleo ghost burr.

[Anonymous No.13698376]

>>13698347
That my man might be overkill, anything smaller? Or more... popular, I would like to be able to buy it in a regular shop. If it has a good price and a tolerable size I might go for it. Is that brand/model widely available? I'm in a big city in spain, for reference.

[Anonymous No.13698377]

>>13698347
A flat burr grinder for $150 sounds good in theory but it's a 3 month old produce with no track record and there are already reports of poor build quality. I don't think anyone should be recommending this until it's been on the market for at least 2 years.

>>13698327
For tried and tested at a good price there's really only one choice. Baratza.

[Anonymous No.13698429]

>>13698377
shit son, the price

[Anonymous No.13698437]

>>13698376
Smaller is a hand grinder. They're going to last longer, be better aligned, and there's no motor/gearing to wear out. Most people who set out to buy a good electric grinder get a baratza and remachine out some shims to align the burrs. If you don't want to fuck with that, get a kinu m47 phoenix. They're out of germany so you can probably get it by Wednesday.

[Anonymous No.13698442]

>>13698321
I find instant coffee and Folgers to be absolutely revolting so even though I only make one pot a day or less I -have- to have the good shit.

[Anonymous No.13698484]

>>13698429
I know it's hard to swallow but you're looking for an upgrade over pre-ground. Spending less than $100 on a grinder is more wasteful than spending the $130 for a Baratza Encore, because you're barely even upgrading over pre-ground.

[Anonymous No.13698490]

>>13698437
>>13698377
noted, I think it's gonna be a manual one, smaller, and if they don't fuck up as much as the electric ones then that's a plus.

>>13698484
I seriously hope I do upgrade, the thing is non-grinded coffee is cheaper, and the pregrinded is already pretty fucking good, can't wait for just grinded coffee, so fucking hype

[Anonymous No.13698593]

>>13696279
>>13696850
You two have made me a very happy drinker.
Cheers

[Anonymous No.13698985]

>>13698490
M47p is the most solid grinder at ~$200. And you can put in pourover optimized burrs for $40. Like I said, if you're in spain, you might be able to snag one semilocally. VERY well aligned out of the factory. I'm not sure what eu prices are like but I'd assume I ate shit on the import cost.

[Anonymous No.13699960]

>>13698287
he says 30 gram per 500 ml
if i have a 200 ml french press, do i adjust accordingly or i can do the 30 grams in it and then just add hot water later to bring it up to 500 ml?

[Anonymous No.13700869]

>>13696904
>Hario Skerton
NO

[Anonymous No.13700937]

>>13696874
>>13698327
Get a Timemore Slim. You can find them on Aliexpress for like $80. They're great little grinders. A decent electric grinder will start at $100-$200 and it'll almost definitely do a worse job than the Timemore. And for that money you might as well get a Kinu.

>>13698484
A timemore slim or aergrind or aerspeed will beat the shit out of a sub $200 Baratza.

>>13698136
Timemore Slim + Hario v60 02. Great pourover setup. I'd recommend a digital scale and gooseneck kettle too.

>>13698301
I'm not recommending the Timemore as the best grinder. It's not in the same league as my M47, but it's pretty motherfucking good for $80. It's got conical steel burrs, unibody construction, and the burr's stabilized with two ball bearings. It's a genuinely nice grinder. It's EASILY the world's best entry-level grinder.

It's SO much better than a porlex or hario or whatever other shit people get memed into starting out with, that I'm gonna shill the Timemore as babby's first grinder for all eternity. I've got the top of the line Kinu M47 and it's fucking exquisite, but the huge majority of coffee newfags just won't spend $340 on their first grinder. So to save them from the frustrating hell that is a shitty ceramic-burr grinder, you bet your ass I'mma recommend a Timemore.

[Anonymous No.13700944]

>>13699960
If you want to follow his recipe, you have to keep the ratios the same during brewing so that's 12 g of coffee to 200 mL of water. If you do 30 g with 200 mL and then top up to 500 mL your coffee will be underextracted (sour, thin and weak).
But if you really want 500 mL I think it's worth trying the "wrong" way once or twice to see how you like it. Most of the recipes you find online are intended to give you the most neutral tasting coffee so that the bean's unique flavors shine through. It may be that your personal preference is for underextracted coffee. You never know until you try.

[Anonymous No.13700950]

>>13700937
>A timemore slim or aergrind or aerspeed will beat the shit out of a sub $200 Baratza.
He originally said he was looking for an automatic. Obviously a manual for the same price is going to give you better grind quality. We don't need to a Timemore shill to tell us that.

[Anonymous No.13700970]

>>13700937
>It's SO much better than a porlex or hario or whatever other shit people get memed into starting out with, that I'm gonna shill the Timemore as babby's first grinder for all eternity. I've got the top of the line Kinu M47 and it's fucking exquisite, but the huge majority of coffee newfags just won't spend $340 on their first grinder. So to save them from the frustrating hell that is a shitty ceramic-burr grinder, you bet your ass I'mma recommend a Timemore.
God damn, you're not only a complete fucking retard, but a literal Timemore shill aswell

[Anonymous No.13700987]

>>drinking coffee
that shit dehydrates you and has no beneficial value towards your health, green tea is not only a tasty refreshing beverage but also one of the most proven health beneficial drink on the planet, and it doesn't dehydrate you. imagine drinking something that boost your immune system, regulates your cardiovascular system (heart disease), gets rid of acne, stops hair loss and even generates regrowth, fights cancer (thats a big one desu senpai) etc.. etc... etc..

[Anonymous No.13700997]

>>13700987
Go to bed, Karen

[Anonymous No.13701008]

>>13700997
are you referencing something? i don't browse reddit so im out the loop about karen, fill me in pl0x

[Anonymous No.13701050]

>>13700950
Ah... Yeah, I misunderstood. I thought by sub-$100 grinder you meant a cheap manual grinder.

>>13700970
Was any of what I said incorrect?

[Anonymous No.13701051]

Is civet coffee worth importing or is it a meme?

[Anonymous No.13701056]

>>13700987
So?

[Anonymous No.13701062]

>>13701056
so good for you bitch nigga enjoy your
tasty coffee i was just trying to enlighten
some of you of the wonders of green tea

[Anonymous No.13701071]

>>13701051
It's a meme. People tout it for being smooth and low-acid. Well guess what? So is regular indonesian coffee before it's eaten and shat out by a cat.

It's only famous because it's expensive, and because of that morgan freeman movie. I don't know of any actual coffeefags who think it's anything other than a meme.

If you're gonna spend that kind of money on a coffee, buy geisha. That stuff at least gets absurdly high tasting scores to match its absurdly high price.

[Anonymous No.13701077]

>>13701062
Okay. Thanks for the heads up Anon.

[Anonymous No.13701155]

>>13700987
coffee also has shitloads of antioxidants, boosts liver performance, metabolism, lowers risk of diabetes, dementia, heart disease

[Anonymous No.13701824]

>>13700944
yeah, it was sour and not very coffee-y with 30 gram/200ml, 12g/200ml works much better

[Anonymous No.13701964]

Which country has best coffee beans?

[Anonymous No.13701984]

What's /ck/'s opinion on cold brew?

[Anonymous No.13702046]

>>13701984
A few nitro fags pop up now and then but most of us don't mess with it. We're traditionalist snobs and cold brew doesn't extract the same solubles as regular hot brew so it just tastes wrong to us. Kyoto-style is much better than the more common immersion method but it's still not worth the effort/cost. If you want a refreshing summer coffee just put your V60 over a cup of ice.

[Anonymous No.13702214]

I recently bough a moka pot and there's some weird ass leaking from the bottom part. Not between sections, just from the wall of bottom chamber. What the fuck is this?

[Anonymous No.13702238]

>>13688766
These days I just drink Stok or brew whatever light or medium roast I can get at the grocery store. I have no preference, except I dislike dark/overroasted.

The one exception is Kopi Luwak (civet coffee) - that shit is legitimately amazing (and legitimately shit!) It's pricey but I recommend everyone do it at least once as a bucket list thing.

[Anonymous No.13702243]

>>13702238
samefag here, I first tried (and bought a little) KL from an indonesian restaurant, but later found an equally good version from Vietnam that was a quarter of the price. It was just labeled "Weasel Coffee."

[Anonymous No.13702313]

>>13702214
You're not talking about the safety valve are you? The little knob that's secured with a nut? That means the pressure in the bottom chamber is too high because the water is boiling excessively. Lower your stove flame.

[Anonymous No.13702421]

>>13698269
Took about 2 weeks of drinking it black (dark roast that's just shy of French) for my taste buds to become acclimated. Now I love it and can enjoy differences of straight coffee.

[Anonymous No.13702526]

>>13700970
Is it really shilling if he uses a kinu? I smoke mostly $15+ cigars, but have no problem recommending $7 perdomo champagnes to friends.

[Anonymous No.13702577]

>>13702526
Embarrassing flex, anon. Reconsider your life choices.

[Anonymous No.13702614]

>>13698332
What's your setup look like? I've been doing two shots in the morning then one when I get home from work. Fun hobby and the afternoon shot gives me a little boost of energy after working

[Anonymous No.13702682]

>>13702577
>He's shilling, he's recommending shit thats $260 cheaper than what he uses

White owls smoking good these days?
Brazils are here. Yellow bourbon, ruby and maragogipe. Poorfags btfo.

[Anonymous No.13702691]

>>13702577
Shouldn't you be wageslaving? Its monday brew.

[Anonymous No.13702724]

>>13702526
What're your favorite cigars? For me it's my father flor de Las antillas and leaf by Oscar, the corojo one in particular. The draw and flavor on both is so damn good

[Anonymous No.13702737]

>>13702313
Nah, the valve is fine, the leaking part is a few centimeters from it. Maybe it has something to do this the matte coating my pot has.

[Anonymous No.13702742]

>>13688886
I deserve a (awkward) full meal !

[Anonymous No.13702771]

>>13702724
I was a big Drew Estate guy before Saka left. UF-13 was a regular in my humidor. Lotta tatuajes(Garcia family from my father makes most of them), lotta four kicks. La Flor Dominicana is king. I just had a LFD TAA release from like 2016 and have 4 more of the the 2019s resting.

[Anonymous No.13702785]

>>13692224
Lungopro

[Anonymous No.13702861]

>>13702771
nice, yeah i've seen some tatuajes in a couple stores near me but the ones they have seem a bit too dark for my personal preference. i should give em a try though. i'm no cigar nut but are La Flor Dominicana hard to come by or should most cigar stores sell them? i don't know if i've seen them before but maybe that's just because i haven't looked for them

[Anonymous No.13702866]

For me it’s black tea

[Anonymous No.13702924]

>>13696904
Cheap automatic skerton-like.

[Anonymous No.13702962]

>>13702861
Check out Illusione Rothschild Connecticuts. Real cheap, on the lighter side but still full flavored. Dion Giolitto, the guy behind illusione, kind of started that trend. If you're willing to do a little research before you buy, I think AJ Fernandez is the best blender out there ,bar none. He does ALOT of other people's brands, and they're all phenomenal. I smoked an Ave Maria reconquista with like 6 years of age on it and it blew every cuban or hard to find cigar out of the water. Turns it its an AJF.

[Anonymous No.13702968]

>>13702861
My b, ignored the second half of that. I can find LFD locally but I mainly buy online. It hurts to have to pay a 35% markup to support local business.

[Anonymous No.13703619]

>>13702962
Do you use cigarbid at all? Not him but I'm relatively new to cigars, perfer pipes a bit more. Most everything I have is from CB, and while I love the ave marias, my favorite brand Curivari is never on there. Im pretty close to rolling my own so I'm not paying a fortune for a decent cigar.

[Anonymous No.13703685]

>>13702962
>>13702968
thanks for the recs man, i'll be sure to note them down and look out for them. yeah, it does suck but personally i don't mind spending that extra cash, it's a business i want to stick around in my area so i don't mind the extra fee. plus in my state you can only smoke indoors if your place was grandfathered in prior to the smoking ban (fucking dumb) so it's one of the few places i can go to and smoke indoors in winter

[Anonymous No.13703731]

>>13702962
one extra question- how's the draw on those illusiones? one thing i can't stand in a cigar is a poor draw, nothing prevents me from enjoying a cigar more than having to fight to get any smoke

[Anonymous No.13703792]

>>13703731
Dude no joke, I just won a contest on northwoodhumidors for recommending they start stocking the Perfecdraw. I had a fucking montecristo no2 from like 1995 that was unsmokable because of the shitty draw. I test the draw now prelight, then open up the cigar however the fuck I want now. Only has to save 1 or 2 decent cigars to pay for itself. Bonus new mug shot to get us back on track. I go down to the casino and smoke in winter. If I go down to the lounge I'll end up buying more sticks. Ends up being cheaper.

[Anonymous No.13703834]

>>13703792
holy shit, i had no idea this tool existed, you might have just changed my life. might have to invest in one. and i also never go to casinos so i totally forgot that was a perfectly viable indoor smoking option. but yeah to keep it coffee related, fuck high acidity, light roasts. tastes like stomach acid in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.13704105]

>>13703619
AJ Fernandez does the diesel and Ave maria lines. Honestly just join botl and check out the deals thread and the for sale forum. You don't save money by sticking to a single retailer. Caldwell is another FANTASTIC brand that AJF has done a few sticks for. I can't suck that guys dick hard enough. He's done so many private label sticks I can't find a list.

https://www.cigaraficionado.com/article/moving-mountains-18989

4:20 espresso affogato and dabs. 17g of some ethiopian I roasted.

[Anonymous No.13705024]

>>13702614
Got a Rancilio Silvia with a Baratza Sette 30 AP grinder. Been happy with the setup for a long time now, not sure what an upgrade would look like but it would probably be a lot more than I'm willing to spend.

[Anonymous No.13705038]

I make lattes mostly. Right now I used the Starbucks blonde roast espresso and 2% milk in equal portions

[Anonymous No.13705070]

>>13705038
do you like the blonde roast? i just think it tastes way too acidic but that's just my preference

[Anonymous No.13705319]

>>13701964
That's really a matter of personal taste. Officially, Panama produces the highest rated coffees in the world (Panamanian Geisha). But if you don't like that style of coffee, then it doesn't matter what the world thinks.

That said, of all the beans I've tried, I personally like Ethiopian coffee the best. A good Ethiopian tastes like sweet flowers and berries.

[Anonymous No.13706086]

taking an entry level barista class at a local roasters tomorrow night lads
i am a moka user neet with next to no actual espresso experience because i don't have cafe money
i just need a job to fund my love of motorbikes...
anyone have any barista tips? how can i convince people to hire me?

[Anonymous No.13706093]

>>13706086
extra info: i am a very accomplished home cook and can teach myself very well with internet resources

[Anonymous No.13706100]

>>13700987
i like both :)
tea is also a mild diuretic though, it has caffeine

[Anonymous No.13706152]

>>13705319
I got a friend that like Indonesian coffee because his wife is from there. lol

[Anonymous No.13706310]

>>13706100
i've decided to drink both coffee and green tea
partly due to >>13701155 post, i have to counter balance the damage from the IPA i drink everyday, and that anons post is fact-checked
and certified kosher, i don't want to live forever
I just don't want to die a slow and painful death

[Anonymous No.13706831]

kalita wave

[Anonymous No.13706841]

>>13705070
I like it enough. I tend to like acidic things, so it doesnt bother me

[Anonymous No.13707409]

>>13706310
>>13701155
you guys got a source for those claims? genuinely curious, i'd like to read up on it

[Anonymous No.13707446]

>>13701008
He means you sound like a retarded soccer mom talking out of her ass. See
>>13701155

[Anonymous No.13707452]

>>13700987
>that shit dehydrates you and has no beneficial value towards your health
Why do you talk about things you're clueless about?

[Anonymous No.13708078]

>>13706152
That's wholesome.

[Anonymous No.13708105]

>drinking burnt nut tea
>2020
its gonna be an earl grey for me dog

[Anonymous No.13708964]

Has anyone here used a gaggia classic with temperature control (e.g. Auber's kit or Mr. Shades)? I'm getting somewhat annoyed with the small boiler and temperature instability of my gaggia - the first shot always comes out poorly, being way over temperature, and broadly speaking the machine seems to be too hot for the single origin roasts I use. It tends to push a saltiness out of the bean.

If someone has tried these kits, is it a sufficient upgrade to a gaggia classic to justify the cost? Or would it be smarter to put that towards a different espresso machine entirely?

[Anonymous No.13708983]

>>13708105
You can drink both, I like an espresso in the morning, a pour-over after lunch, and a cappuccino if I have a late afternoon pastry. On the other hand mid-morning is always Darjeeling, afternoon mainstay is often an Assam or Earl Grey, and in the evening I have some Lapsang Souchong. It's not a dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.13709026]

>>13708964
i have a lelit PL41TEM and it works fantastic, maybe considering just selling yours and investing in that? sorry, i don't really have answer to your question but can tell you that what i have works great (and is probably roughly the same price as a new gaggia classic + PID kit)

[Anonymous No.13709317]

I shit my pants from coffee for the first time a few days ago

[Anonymous No.13709855]

>>13708964
Archive this post and use it for reference every time someone recs Gaggia.

[Anonymous No.13710449]

>>13709855
I'm sure that your gay lever pulls a perfect shot on the first try every time, Flair shill

[Anonymous No.13710532]

>>13710449
Yeah, my waters at the right temp moron.

[Anonymous No.13710542]

>>13710532
How's your "pressure profiling" you fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.13710619]

>>13710542
My pump went out.

[Anonymous No.13710655]

Was in Sydney near the aiport, there's a coffee blend called the FLIGHT PATH.

>>13708078
ta.

[Anonymous No.13710752]

>>13708964
How many shots do you need to pull at a time? If you're just pulling singles/doubles for yourself it's worth spending the time to learn how to temperature surf your machine. Once you have the timings figured out just do the same thing every time from a cold start and your temperature will always be the same.
Electronic temperature control is for lazy people or people who need to pull multiple shots at irregular intervals. Completely unnecessary for on-off shots.

[Anonymous No.13710771]

>>13710532
Are you seriously arguing that temperature control is easier on a Flair than a Gaggia Classic? Because that's just plainly ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.13711629]

>>13710752
Usually 2 or 3 doubles, sometimes just the one. I'll have a look at temperature surfing and try it out, see if I can improve consistence. Broadly speaking I'm disinclined towards creating a complicated (i.e., time consuming) routine as that's not practical for me.

The main thing, though, is that I want to avoid wasting the first shot which always pulls badly. I resent throwing away 18g or so of expensive coffee.

[Anonymous No.13711717]

>>13710771
A 50 second preheat then water off the boil gets me 201f inside the group head. Checking with a lavatools javelin pro. I can poke my shower screen with the thermometer. How hard do you think temp control is? If I want colder I wait 10 seconds, if I want hotter I'll hit the inside of the group head with a blazer bigshot.

[Anonymous No.13711824]

>>13711717
You're talking about taking a blowtorch to your cylinder and you still can't see how someone might consider that a bit fucking inconvenient? What gave you the impression that it's worse than that on a Gaggia? You're just toggling two buttons. Yes, it takes a while to figure out when and for how long to toggle them but once you have there's zero fuss.

>>13711629
You don't need to put coffee in the basket during the first shot. The reason your first shot is bad is because the temp is too high. Just running the pump for a little while without even the portafilter in place will fix that. The presence of grounds doesn't do anything special.

[Anonymous No.13711974]

I use mostly 14/15 grams of coffee when i'm making turkish coffee in ibrik or when using moka pot and found that to be perfect amount for me, I just ordered a v60 thought so I wanted to ask if there's a need to increase the coffee amount? I checked some recipes from some coffee pros and the amounts they use are crazy and i dont think I would be financially able to keep up with that since i try to buy quality coffee.

[Anonymous No.13712034]

>>13711974
The amount doesn't really matter, within reason. The important thing is brew ratio. You should use between 1:14 and 1:16, coffee:water. It's standard to use 20 grams for a single serving but I've used 15 grams before when I'm at the end of a bag and it was completely fine.
Just note that you will get way less of a caffeine hit from a 15 gram V60 than you would from a 15 gram Turkish. That's why 20 grams is standard.

[Anonymous No.13712066]

>>13711824
How often do you think I'm brewing over 201? Its a quick fix with INSTANT feedback. Please continue recommending junk budget machines though. Maybe homeboy will be able to pull acceptable shots after gutting the entire machine and voiding his warranty.

[Anonymous No.13712128]

>>13712066
I guess you really are a Flair shill. It's the only explanation for why you got so defensive so quickly.
We were only talking about temperature control, friend. I would never recommend a Gaggia Classic to anyone but that's mainly because of the shithouse of a pump. It's just dishonest of you to tout temperature control as one of the positives of a manual. They already have a lot of things going for them that are actually true. Why don't you focus on those?

[Anonymous No.13712156]

>>13712128
Junk pump & it heats water worse than the worst rated kettle on amazon. Its not like I've got a $150 kettle with the flair, I use a free Brentwood the casino gave me for Christmas. But please tell that guy he didn't waste $400+ on a gaggia. Has to be good because they're headquartered in Italy right? About to have a muffin with my espresso. Let me know what other shit you've got zero clue about, I'll be here for a bit.

[Anonymous No.13712180]

>>13712128
Gaggias are fine, you just have to flip the switch like the Cheat at a lightswitch rave and fucking guess lol.

[Anonymous No.13712193]

>>13712156
Right, so you're just an asshole. I wrote as plainly as possible that I would not recommend a Gaggia Classic. Why are you still convinced that I'm defending them? I'm actually trying to give him advice that might help him make the best of the equipment that he already has, and save him from throwing more money at his problem. You're just insulting him and taking the opportunity to shill your own machine which isn't even superior in this specific aspect. Again, just to be clear (although you'll find a way to misread this I'm sure) I don't have anything against manual machines in general.

[Anonymous No.13712201]

>>13712193
Hold on, I've almost got the right temp.

[Anonymous No.13712206]

>>13712193
Yeah but your advice isn't "get a fucking inline dimmer", its throw a lightswitch rave.

>Let me know what other shit you've got zero clue about, I'll be here for a bit.

[Anonymous No.13712227]

>>13712201
>>13712206
Well it works, a fuckton of people do it and there are a lot of resources online explaining how to do it so it's a real solution if you're willing so spend the time and are able to do extremely basic troubleshooting. It's also nothing like a "lightswitch rave". It's usually just two toggles.
But hey, if it really is as simple as just attaching an inline dimmer then why didn't you just say that to begin with instead of ridiculing him and arguing with me?

[Anonymous No.13712273]

>>13712227
Again, you're flipping a switch and hoping your temp is right. If he's looking for a hardware mod like mrshadez pidmod, he can just drill a hole and toss a k-type probe in. If he's not, 8 seconds of googling would have told him inline dimmer. $8 on amazon. If his machine is running hot, cut the upper power limit by 10%. REAL easy.

>Let me know what other shit you've got zero clue about, I'll be here for a bit.

[Anonymous No.13712281]

>>13712273
Well I finally got you to contribute something positive to the thread so if the price I have to pay for that is you saying I have zero clue about things, it was well worth it. Hope your day gets better, anon.

[Anonymous No.13712313]

>>13712281
You suggested he turn the machine off if its too hot, then guess. You want to see some shilling?

>Gaggia RI9380/46
>$450

>Flair Classic + Kinu m47p+ electric kettle?
>~$380

If theres a way to make better espresso affordably, let me know. Even toss in the pressure gauge and still beat the price.

[Anonymous No.13712336]

>>13712273
Why is it "hoping" when it's flipping a switch but it's solid procedure when you're preheating a manual grouphead? If you time the toggling and do it the same each time that's not hope, it's physics.

>>13712313
I didn't suggest that he turn it off when it's too hot. To lower boiler temperature you just run the pump. I was very clear about this here >>13711824. I'm guessing this means you've never even pulled a shot on a semi-automatic machine because you would know this if you had. Maybe you shouldn't be recommending anything if you don't have even basic knowledge about all of the options?

[Anonymous No.13712387]

>>13712336
Because I've got a fucking thermal probe in my grouphead dipshit.

https://www.lavatools.co/products/javelin-pro-d

>Water hot? MAybe less water? Maybe let off steam?

Real fucking profound insight there. You can work with your symptoms, or you can look for a cure. What do you think is the better option?

[Anonymous No.13712412]

>>13712387
What kind of logic is this? Is there a law against temperature probing an electric machine? Call the cops on me, bro. I plead guilty.
Controlling temp on a manual without a probe is guessing too.

[Anonymous No.13712421]

>>13712412
>If he's looking for a hardware mod like mrshadez pidmod, he can just drill a hole and toss a k-type probe in

Or you know, guess. Like you suggested.

> I was very clear about this here

[Anonymous No.13712457]

>>13712421
You don't need to do a full PID mod to make use a probe. The PID is a substitute for the toggling. I never said anything about guessing. A probe is obviously helpful and you can get 95% of the way there with a superficial sensor (no drilling).

[Anonymous No.13712472]

>>13712457
I didn't say he had to do a full pid mod. I said he MENTIONED doing a pidmod in his first post. If he's looking at doing that, he's capable of putting in a convenient probe. Temp surfing without a probe is guessing. Superficial probes are also guessing. Might as well temp your preheated cup. If his machine is consistently running hot, just put in a fucking dimmer. Or a resistor on your hot wire.

> I was very clear about this here

[Anonymous No.13712507]

>coworker pours himself some coffee
>takes a huge slice of butter
>plops it right in there
>mfw

do people really do this? what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.13712520]

>>13712507
Consider that butter is derived from milk, and you have no problem with milk in coffee.

[Anonymous No.13712521]

>>13712472
Not sure what the point of this discussion is if you're just going to quote one thing and claim it proves something completely unrelated. I was clear about the technique. That doesn't mean I'm against measuring temperature.

[Anonymous No.13712528]

>>13712520
>and you have no problem with milk in coffee.
You don't know me. I'm vegan. It was vegan butter.

[Anonymous No.13712529]

>>13712520
>milk in coffee
Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.13712548]

>>13712507
Bulletproof coffee is a think. I want to make some medicated ghee with some postrun and see how that works out.

>>13712521
You're trying to convince me an educated guess isn't a guess. Temp surfing with no information is guessing. It'll get you 95% of the way to not guessing, but its still a guess. Unrelated, how well did you do in school?

[Anonymous No.13712582]

>>13712548
Again, I never said that using a probe was bad so I'm not sure why you're still harping on about that.
But also, what gave you the idea that knowing the exact temperature in degrees of your shot makes it better? The only thing that truly important is consistency. Without a probe you're guessing the number of degrees, but that doesn't mean you're guessing the result. If you use the same timings as a known result you can be confident that you will recreate that result. That's not a guess.
>school
Well enough, I'm a chemical engineer.

[Anonymous No.13712612]

>>13712520
But milk is a colloid so the butterfat is well distributed throughout the drink. If you plop butter in there it will separate.

[Anonymous No.13712634]

>>13712582
>Well enough, I'm a chemical engineer.

Hot damn, 60k a year. Family real proud at thanksgiving?

> what gave you the idea that knowing the exact temperature in degrees of your shot makes it better?

The consistency.

> The only thing that truly important is consistency.


>Without a probe you're guessing the number of degrees, but that doesn't mean you're guessing the result.

A chemical engineer should know the relationship between independent and dependent variables.

[Anonymous No.13712688]

>>13712634
There really isn't a point in arguing with you. It's just a cycle where you intentionally (or unintentionally - I haven't ruled out that you're just a retard) misinterpret what I write, jump to wild conclusions based on your misinterpretation, then me clearing it up and you misinterpreting that.
I'm not going to reply again. If you're an asshole you'll just misinterpret this to make me look bad because I won't clear it up. Hopefully you show a little respect and just stop.
Obviously taste is dependent on temperature. Everyone knows this. You don't need to be a chemical engineer. That doesn't mean that you need to know the temperature to be able to achieve the same taste. You just need to be able to recreate the same temperature as before. That's why consistency in process isn't a guess.

[Anonymous No.13712711]

>>13712688
Work on consistently guessing your temp. Or just temp it.

>You just need to be able to recreate the same temperature as before.

You're trying to mimic circumstances. We're trying to mirror temperature. I can see where you'd get confused.

>That's why consistency in process isn't a guess.

Temperature isn't a technique to hone. Its a constant.

[Anonymous No.13712762]

>>13712711
Fuck it, I have insomnia anyway.

>just temp it
For the hundredth time, I'm not against a probe. But when you can get 95% of the way there without drilling into your machine it's worth having the option to go without. To preempt your inevitable misinterpretation: I AM NOT RECOMMENDING A GAGGIA.

>You're trying to mimic circumstances. We're trying to mirror temperature.
Temperature is a result of circumstances. That's one of those independent and dependent variable relationships that you claimed to understand but clearly don't. Or do you think that if you forget to turn on your kettle you can will your water to a boil because there's a probe in there?

>temperature is a constant
Actually, it's a variable but I wouldn't expect you to know basic math terminology. See how easy it is to make someone look like an idiot if you're focusing on that instead of the actual argument?

[Anonymous No.13712813]

>>13712762
Just temp the air around the machine. Its going to raise slightly as you pull the shot and we can guess how the shot will turn out. Or just temp directly after your boiler.

When developing a recipe, temperature is a constant. Go to sleep. He's not trying to play his boiler like a violin, he's trying to maintain as close to a specific temperature as possible.

[Anonymous No.13712837]

>>13712813
>When developing a recipe, temperature is a constant.
I knew what you meant. I was showing you how annoying it is to be misinterpreted intentionally.

>he's trying to maintain as close to a specific temperature as possible
Neither of us can speak for him, but if I was concerned about spending money I would settle for "as close as necessary".

>go to sleep
Don't flatter yourself. You're not keeping me up, just occupied.

[Anonymous No.13712841]

How long will coffee last in those vented bags?

[Anonymous No.13712859]

sad times when i have adhd and caffeine makes me sleepy so i cant be coffee bro

[Anonymous No.13712864]

>>13712841
Whole bean or grounds? Have you broken the seal yet? The vent is a one-way valve so it's the same as an airtight bag.

[Anonymous No.13712907]

>>13712864
Whole bean, seal intact.

[Anonymous No.13713190]

>>13712762
>>13712813
i'm convinced this whole conversation was completed by one really bored person. there's no way a rational human would carry the conversation on this exhaustively.

[Anonymous No.13713303]

>>13712859
I feel you ADHD bro. Happens to me too. Coffee either helps or makes me tired. I do recommend trying tea though.

[Anonymous No.13714248]

Single shot espressos are impossible to pull off well. Double shot espressos give me semi-diarrhea and jitters. Throwing out half a shot feels wasteful, especially when the second half is always the best.

What do?

[Anonymous No.13714277]

>>13714248
what rig you got that single espressos are tasting like shit? i dunno, i guess you could find something that also has a decaf blend and just do half and half in a double shot.

[Anonymous No.13714369]

>>13714277
I think it’s just my technique/equipment. I have a Gaggia Classic and a VST 7g single shot basket. I got a single shot metal funnel off Amazon DE and a single-shot metal tamper, but after I press in the grounds and pull the shot, the puck is super soggy and coming out of the basket. I think it’s channeling crazily. It doesn’t taste like shit, but it’s definitely thinner tasting than my double.

Never thought about doing decaf though, does that actually work in espresso? I’ve always associated decaf with missing all the nice flavours of coffee.

[Anonymous No.13714402]

>>13714248
Risotto shot.

[Anonymous No.13714446]

>>13714369
Yeah I imagine it would affect flavor... I just know that Starbucks has a decaf espresso roast so I figure if you had that with their regular espresso roast it might work out? Just spitballing here, could be a bad idea

[Anonymous No.13714447]

>>13714402
I do like pulling ristrettos but doesn’t the same amount of caffeine come out anyway, so a double pulled as a ristretto is going to have as much caffeine as a double normale?

[Anonymous No.13714824]

>>13713190
The game is on channel 35. Do you go up to channel 45, back down to 28, up to 39, down to 32, then to 35? Or do you just go to channel 35?

[Anonymous No.13715099]

I have a gaggia. should I replace it with a flair or a robot?

[Anonymous No.13715426]

>>13711717
I don't want to get in the middle of your argument, I'm just looking for a simple answer to a simple question: how are you preheating your group head? The guys over here https://www.home-barista.com/levers/temperature-study-flair-espresso-maker-t54646.html had a pretty extensive discussion about different methods and concluded that either complete submergence in boiling water or steam heating were the best ways (simply filling with boiling water was very poor). But they say that it takes up to 3 minutes to preheat with these methods so I'm curious how you get there in 50 seconds? They also say that even with the best preheating methods they struggle with temperature drop during the shot. Does your method solve this?

[Anonymous No.13715473]

[Anonymous No.13715492]

>>13688886
one cup is fine. don't drink too much more or else you'll get sick in the head and not even realize it

[Anonymous No.13715554]

>>13714824
You realise that he was making fun of both of you, right? You're telling people to light their TV on fire to get to channel 35 and hope that it doesn't switch down to 34 or 33 by the time the match has ended. Don't (You) me, I'm not interested. The other guy can fuck off as well.

[Anonymous No.13715943]

>>13688766

Ravens brew
Seattle

[Anonymous No.13716111]

>>13715426
Did you even read that thread? Op says on page 4

>But it was a bulls eye as I prepared my very first espresso on it. I couldn't believe it (I usually drink medium roasts).

>With the Flair all I wanted to check if there is a way/method to pull coffees at low, medium and
high temperature ranges. And doing so predictable. For me pre-heating the cylinder with boiling water (filling it twice) and pulling the shot with the third one works best. I've found that 1 pre-heating fill is enough If I use a dark roast.


I start my kettle, weigh out beans, grind, clean my basket from yesterday because I'm a piece of shit, water straight off the boil into an old pyrex measuring cup, fill and tamp, turn on the kettle again, and use that water to brew. I get right at 201f, temped deep in the grouphead. I'm not rushing the preheat, it sits there for as long as I'm levelling wdting and tamping.

[Anonymous No.13716475]

>>13716111
No need for the accusations. I'm not challenging you, just asking for your expertise because you seem happy with your procedure.

I did read the thread and that quote wasn't about accurately achieving a target temperature. He's just saying he happened, on his first pass, to get a temperature appropriate for the beans that he was using. That means the thermodynamics of the Flair is well calibrated to get good results with water just off the boil for most beans right out of the box, which is great, but it doesn't mean it can precisely hit a target temperature. What if I want to brew some lighter or darker roasts?

I was more interested in the graphs than qualitative anecdotes like that quote because in the graphs it looks like there's a lot of drift. Maybe that's less of an issue in practice than it seems. I'm still learning. Is there a reason you don't use the submergence preheating method?

[Anonymous No.13716678]

>>13688886
Its good.

[Anonymous No.13716691]

>>13716475
Yeah, I've got a little 'coffee bar' in my office. I'm not brewing in my kitchen. I could snag an electric coil and mokapot but that's just more clutter in my limited space. The blazer bigshot is a semi joke, but absolutely a viable way to directly bump up your brew temp by few deg quickly.

[Anonymous No.13717973]

Bump

[Anonymous No.13718269]

>>13712859
>>13713303
ADHDfag here. Drink decaf.

[Anonymous No.13718292]

>>13715099
If you're happy with it, keep it. If you're not happy with it, get a robot.

[Anonymous No.13718301]

Anyone know any good sweeteners with zero calories and no aspartame?

[Anonymous No.13718358]

>>13718269
Its only 1/3 of the time it does that. Its worth the risk.

[Anonymous No.13718394]

>>13718301
Erythritol

[Anonymous No.13718417]

>>13718394
Thanks friend i'll go buy some next time I'm at walmart.

[Anonymous No.13718472]

>>13718417
Your welcome

[Anonymous No.13718717]

>>13718301
Lakanto and Swerve. They're both really great, but Lakanto is slightly closer to real sugar in terms of flavor and the sweetness intensity.

[Anonymous No.13718726]

>>13718417
You can get swerve at walmart. I don't think they have Lakanto though. Erythritol is... fine... I guess. Both Swerve and Lakanto BTFO erythritol though.

Remember that anything containing stevia is gonna be fucking gross. Make sure whatever you get has zero net carbohydrates, and doesn't contain any dextrose or someshit like that "monkfruit in the raw" garbage.

[Anonymous No.13718735]

What's wrong with monkfruit sweetener?

[Anonymous No.13718772]

>>13718726
Swerve is basically erythritol.

[Anonymous No.13719377]

Bump

[Anonymous No.13719645]

Latte art is fun

[Anonymous No.13720083]

Ordered some robusta beans and they taste exactly like peanuts. Really strange but I think I like it.
It'd probably be ideal to do a blend with arabica so the drink can at least taste like the coffee I know.

[Anonymous No.13720426]

>>13719645
This seems counterproductive. How do you remove the milk once you've poured it in? Do you centrifuge it? Curdle it with acid and filter out the solids? Why not avoid all that and just not pour milk into your espresso to begin with?

[Anonymous No.13720700]

Complete beginner here. In those breakfast carts, for iced coffee they put this brown liquid in before topping it off with cream and ice, I know the brown liquid is coffee but what is it generally called and what is it? Is it espresso or something? How do I make it cuz it taste really good.

[Anonymous No.13720748]

>>13720700
Are you talking about the diarrhea water you can get for $1.00 at every street cart in NYC? That's just the cheapest pre-ground coffee they can source, put through an industrial automatic drip machine.
I don't judge you for liking it but there's really no trick to making coffee that mediocre. Just buy the cheapest drip machine you can find at Amazon/Walmart, fill it up with some Folgers and you will have a pretty close approximation.

[Anonymous No.13720760]

>>13720748
Yeah NYC but for like 2. Thank you I'll be doing just what you said and hopefully climbing up. Any suggestions / advice other than the ones you gave me? Thank you again.

[Anonymous No.13720847]

>>13720760
Damn, I haven't been to one in a while. Prices have gone through the roof.
My advice is that you never set foot in a cafe and only ever buy commodity beans from the supermarket. Once you try a freshly ground single origin in a French press or pourover you will not be able to go back to street cart coffee and your daily caffeine fix will turn into a money pit that leaves you giving $5 rimjobs in a truck stop toilet just to afford another taste of that sweet, sweet Gesha.
You genuinely enjoy a cheap, ubiquitous product. That's a blessing.

[Anonymous No.13720855]

>>13718772
So is Lakanto. They use erythritol as a base, but the difference between straight erythritol and swerve or lakanto is huge.

[Anonymous No.13720872]

Today I ordered an aeropress, we'll see if it dethrones my french press.

[Anonymous No.13720881]

>>13720855
>Swerve contains oligosaccharides
I hope your girlfriends enjoy being Dutch ovened, Swerve plebs, because you are going to be brapping from dusk 'til dawn.

[Anonymous No.13720888]

>>13720426
Cringe

[Anonymous No.13721884]

>>13720426
?
I like milk in my coffee

[Anonymous No.13722053]

You guys seen those videos where the guy cums in a girl's cup of coffee?

[Anonymous No.13722091]

Who half-caf here? I make a pot and load it in a thermos to sip all morning, that's 40oz of coffee. Used normal strength before and I'd get jittery if I sipped too fast.

[Anonymous No.13722848]

South East Asian "sock" coffee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn9T8Taf4M

[Anonymous No.13723525]

What am I in for here

[Anonymous No.13723556]

>>13723525
UPDATE: it's ok

[Anonymous No.13723991]

I buy this for my French press. Money is gonna be low for a month or so. Any recommendations for a replacement?

[Anonymous No.13724962]

If that anon is still around that mentioned cardamon and rose water with their french press, thanks. Shit is good.

After lots of experiments, I find the electric perk setting works best for my french press. Its not that the "regular" setting is bad, but I noticed I have to brew it long to get a balanced cup. While in itself isn't an issue, I'm realizing the store grinders not only are inconsistent, but produce a lot of fines. So having to brew longer tends to lead to a over extracted aftertaste. So basically electric perk is better cause it takes less time to steep causing less over extracted flavor from the fines. I do the James Hoffman method, but for second brew time I do 3-4 minets instead of 5. Again its not terrible, but the after taste gets eh. Going to get my last bit of Luckys Market Ethiopian coffee ground today to enjoy in the French press.

[Anonymous No.13725149]

>>13724962
>not only are inconsistent, but produce a lot of fines.

Also if the guy before you ground finer than you, you're going to get his coffee. Sounds like a grinder is in your future.

[Anonymous No.13725277]

Is home roasting worth it? I've got an old popcorn maker laying around that I don't use anymore.

[Anonymous No.13725291]

>>13725277
Could be a fun once-off for an Ethiopian coffee ceremony, but I wouldn't bother on the regular.

[Anonymous No.13725516]

>>13725149
Yeah, but I'm too poor to invest in one, and debating buy one now or saving for the future to get an espresso teir grinder.

[Anonymous No.13725713]

i like coffee but i can barely tell the difference between all the types of coffee unless its some artificial shit like marshmallow

[Anonymous No.13725859]

>>13725713
>artificial shit like mashmallow
huh

[Anonymous No.13725862]

>>13725859
marshmallows are not real

[Anonymous No.13725873]

>>13725862
There's artificial, heavily processed coffee aside from instant shit?

[Anonymous No.13726042]

>>13725277
Yes.

[Anonymous No.13726490]

>>13724962
i've done cardamom in turkish/arab/greek coffee before, really good with a bit of sugar. also had small thing of milk with rose water in, very nice

[Anonymous No.13726930]

Best coffee-focused cafe you know?

[Anonymous No.13727444]

>>13718717
>>13718726
>>13718772
Just got a bag of swerve and it made my coffee taste like chemicals. Guess I just have to start forcing myself to drink my coffee straight...

[Anonymous No.13728197]

>>13718301
I'm a Splenda fan. Stevia goes straight through me like those legends about sugar free gummy bears

[Anonymous No.13728760]

>>13727444
Sorry to hear. You could always try honey with a pinch of sugar. Honey doesn't cause sugar spikes.

[Anonymous No.13729596]

>>13726490
>Milk with rose water
That sounds good.

[Anonymous No.13729617]

I hear there’s a coffee made exclusively in Hawaii. I want to try it because I like to buy American when possible. Anybody on here tried it? Is Hawaiian coffee any good?

[Anonymous No.13730149]

Best cheapest drip coffee maker? I got a nespresso machine as a gift and threw out my old one.

But nespresso is fucking terrible and expensive.

[Anonymous No.13730382]

new thread

>>13730368
>>13730368

[Anonymous No.13730759]

>>13698195

Slowly makes nightmare fuel.

[Anonymous No.13730767]

>>13730382
Why? This one's still on the front page.