/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.13442622]

FINEST NIPPON STEEL FOLDED 1000X

[Anonymous No.13443676]

>>13442622
>he didn't hold out and save for the superior blue #2 yanagiba with silver rings
pleb

[Anonymous No.13443696]

>>13442622
It's hand-made. Like, old-school hammer and anvil, without power tools. If the smith's quality is such that people value his work so highly, I see this is ultra high-end rather than overpriced. People are willing to pay more for handmade things.

[Anonymous No.13444794]

>>13443696
Where does it say it's hand made?

[Anonymous No.13444797]

>>13444794
>honyaki
>hurr how do you know how it's made
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.13444813]

>>13444797
>random ching chong nonsense
It could be his uncle's name for all I know.

[Anonymous No.13444816]

>>13444813
Has anti-intellectualism moved past book burning and now extends even to the ability to google words on a screen? At what point do you call me a faggot for using multi-syllabic words in a sentence?

[Anonymous No.13444828]

>>13444816
It is selling on English language website yes? Price is in American dorrar yes? Why he insist on putting in ching chong words that only he could understand?
Not everybody is a weeb.

[Anonymous No.13444831]

>>13444828
>Why he insist on putting in ching chong words that only he could understand?
Because you're an idiot. Nobody is shopping for $3000 mirror finish yanagis who doesn't know what "honyaki" or for that matter "yanagi" means. If you aren't the target customer, that's fine, but it's not the seller's responsibility to cater to your ignorance when clearly you would never consider buying this thing in 1000 years.

[Anonymous No.13444992]

>>13444831
I see. So it's not the seller's responsibility to write in a language that other people can understand. Before I can get the pleasure of paying $3000 for this thing, which I imagine is to be used solely for role playing a ninja, it is my responsibility to learn the language of its maker. Otherwise I'm an idiot.
If this sword was made by a Laos and he insisted on writing in the description in his own language, I'm sure you'd jump to his defence too. Yeah. Nothing to do with being obsessed with a nation that also makes waifu pillows as well as samurai swords.

[Anonymous No.13444999]

>>13444992
Fucking hell, neck yourself and save someone else the trouble of taking you out later.

[Anonymous No.13445016]

That's a knuckle buster right there. There's zero point in owning those carving knives. They don't cut worth a shit and you end up crushing your hands.

[Anonymous No.13445024]

>>13442622
I'm not sure it's worth it

[Anonymous No.13445028]

>>13444999
Not everyone is obsessed with killing themselves like your slant eyed friends.

[Anonymous No.13445039]

>>13445016
it's specifically a sashimi knife, obviously if you're using it for pretty much anything else, you're probably using the wrong knife.

[Anonymous No.13445045]

>>13444992
Imagine being so lonely you start shit like this to have a conversation online.

Here's your (You), sad anon.

[Anonymous No.13445052]

>>13444992
"honyaki" and "yanagiba" aren't words of the native language, Japanese. Do they look like moon runes to you? fucking idiot lul

[Anonymous No.13445057]

>>13444992
Other people clearly understand it if there is a market for it. Don't be mad that the market isn't you.
>If this sword was made by a Laos and he insisted on writing in the description in his own language, I'm sure you'd jump to his defence too
First of all "honyaki" is not written in Japanese, it's a transliteration because Japanese does not use the Roman alphabet. Most Japanese people have no idea WTF "honyaki" even is, even if it was written in Japanese characters. Second, if there were English speakers who like Laotian swords enough to have transliterated Laotian jargon about those swords into Roman letters, and willing to pay market price for those Laotian swords, then yes, it would be perfectly reasonable to use those transliterated terms when describing a product. Much as we see with other foreign products, such as when an American site selling Italian clothing says "spalla camicia" or when an American site selling Arabian perfumes says "oudh". If you don't know what those words mean, you're not the target audience, and you move on. But the buyers know, and that's why they put it in those terms.

I'm sorry you're a pedo incel and Japan drives you into an incoherent rage, but that's nobody's issue except your very own.

[Anonymous No.13445058]

>>13445045
Takes one to know one weeb.
>>13445052
>ching chong ding dong ping pong

[Anonymous No.13445065]

>>13445052
What about hobochoki and ninjibbercrimes. I love their language, but it just sounds so fucking garbled. Like someone talking with rocks in their mouth. I'd rather listen to german.

[Anonymous No.13445080]

>>13444999
>>13445045
>>13445052
>>13445057

[Anonymous No.13445183]

>>13445057
>Other people clearly understand it if there is a market for it. Don't be mad that the market isn't you.
Yeah a market for weebs.
>First of all "honyaki" is not written in Japanese, it's a transliteration because Japanese does not use the Roman alphabet. Most Japanese people have no idea WTF "honyaki" even is, even if it was written in Japanese characters.
It's really just his uncle's name.
>Second, if there were English speakers who like Laotian swords enough to have transliterated Laotian jargon about those swords into Roman letters, and willing to pay market price for those Laotian swords, then yes, it would be perfectly reasonable to use those transliterated terms when describing a product. Much as we see with other foreign products, such as when an American site selling Italian clothing says "spalla camicia" or when an American site selling Arabian perfumes says "oudh". If you don't know what those words mean, you're not the target audience, and you move on. But the buyers know, and that's why they put it in those terms.
Yes they are such special snowflakes, their language is so unique so one of a kind it's impossibru to translate. Nothing to do with playing it up to the (((cultured))) millenial who is willing to pay top dorrar for a personality substitute.
>I'm sorry you're a pedo incel and Japan drives you into an incoherent rage, but that's nobody's issue except your very own.
Japs lover calling me a pedo. Kek. I only have issues with mangas about fucking little boys you disgusting weeb.

[Anonymous No.13445209]

>>13442622
Mom drops by your house while you're away and "tidys up" in the kitchen and leaves your $3,800 Sakai Takayuki to soak in the sink overnight

[Anonymous No.13445222]

>>13445209
hahaha. I bought my best friends wife a really expensive japanese knife. I came over one day and the entire thing was rust. I was just like.. jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.13445227]

>>13445016
Those are not chef knives, they are dedicated (sushi) slicers. Watch how they are used in youtube - the fish is placed right next to the edge of the cutting board and the knife moves in a curve from pointing at the ceiling to horizontal during a slice. The handle is never over the cutting board where it could crush your knuckles.

[Anonymous No.13445233]

>>13445222
>buying women anything that requires technical care

just...why?

unless she is an actual cook why would you give such a gift.

[Anonymous No.13445243]

>>13445233
I can't argue. It was a mistake. I got to see her tits though so that's a plus.

[Anonymous No.13445247]

>>13445057
BASED chad fighting against willful ignorance and people believing everything on the planet should cater to them

[Anonymous No.13445252]

>>13445233
Isn't it obvious? He's trying to fuck his best friend's wife. Playing out the usual Japanese porn motif.

[Anonymous No.13445254]

>>13445222
They probably only brought it out to please you while shaking their heads over you behind your back for giving them such a cheap knife that is not even stainless, like a GOOD German kitchen knife.

Being a knife enthusiast means suffering.

[Anonymous No.13445261]

>>13445252
AW cmon man, I would never do that to him. But I did get to see her tits, she's like a Charlize Theron with twice the tits. But I'd never screw over my friend like that. Bad ideas, never to happen.

[Anonymous No.13445271]

>>13445261
How did that happen?

[Anonymous No.13445285]

>>13445271
Late night in Toronto, I was in a bedroom, she came in and changed in front of me by accident. She was always really friendly with no though. Neck rubs and foot rubs and shit, she was good people to me. I kinda loved her.

[Anonymous No.13445298]

>>13445285
How does someone take their tits out in front of someone else by accident?

[Anonymous No.13445313]

>>13445298
A dark room, she was drunk, I was drunk. Takes her shirt off. Shit happens. Her boobs were a study in perfection. I was shocked. Mandy was never shy, but holy fuck..

[Anonymous No.13445315]

>>13445285
>she came in and changed in front of me by accident. She was always really friendly with no though. Neck rubs and foot rubs and shit
>"by accident"
>"neck rubs"
>"foot rubs"

Dude she wants your dick so bad

[Anonymous No.13445324]

>>13445315
She was very friendly with me, but nothing ever happened. I still feel bad about feeling for her. THis is 10 years after my friend moved on and I still feel like a piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.13445845]

>>13442622
I finally understand how europeans feel when people/companies throw random english into their speech

[Anonymous No.13445917]

>>13442622
Good knife, but is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Let alone defeat him. And I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu. I’m also not talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten’in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano’o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everybody and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu.

[Anonymous No.13445954]

>>13445845
>Sakai Takayuki
That's the brand name
>Ginmaki
Is probably the series or product line
>Mirrored
Is English
>Honyaki
Is an old fashioned way of forging a knife similar to the old way of producing swords. It is absurdly labor intensive, requires a niche skill set, is basically unnecessary, and is rarely done, hence why it is expensive. When people say "folded 10000 times" they are normally picturing something like this, although in fact the folding is circumstantial (this would only be done when using native pig iron deposits which would have made this knife far more expensive). This is the knife equivalent of a hand made Swiss watch with proprietary one-off parts that keeps worse time than a $50 quartz beater.
>White Steel
Is English, but it's really a type of commercial steel produced by Hitachi Metals, similar to 1095. It's called "white" because Hitachi use different color coding in the packaging and this product has white paper wrapping. Not expensive at all as a raw material.
>Yanagiba
Is a specialized knife shape used by old fashioned sushi chefs, also somewhat unnecessary, also unreasonably labor intensive to produce and maintain. Even higher end sushi restaurants will use a simpler and cheaper knife unless they are working in an open kitchen like at Jiro. A workhorse yanagiba costs about $400 and is not honyaki.
>Sashimi
I assume you know what that is
>Paulownia
Is an ornamental wood popular in Asia

[Anonymous No.13446024]

>>13445917
Huh

[Anonymous No.13446051]

>>13445954
I speak JLPT N3 japanese so I'm gucci, I just realized how it sounded for the first time is all

[Anonymous No.13446060]

>>13444992

[Anonymous No.13446083]

>>13445954
>I assume you know what that is
Pls dont

[Anonymous No.13446106]

>>13444816
>>13444831
>>13444999
>>13445057
>>13445247
OHHHHHHH Honorabu gaijin whitu man defending proud supelior nippon culturuh OOOOOOOHHHH you want sucky sucky for defending sakai takayuki ginmaki 2発の爆弾では不十分でした folded over wan thousan time we give you speciar price foah thousan dorrah prease undastand

[Anonymous No.13446119]

>>13442622
>300mm
Is this for ritualistically disemboweling yourself? Because I can't imagine what use a foot-long blade would have in the kitchen.

[Anonymous No.13446129]

>>13446119
Sometimes people cook stuff other than freeze dried ramen from a plastic wrapper and therefore need a knife that isn't the Cold Steel Chaos II Assault Kerambit you "EDC" autistically

[Anonymous No.13446284]

>>13444797
Honyaki just means it had clay put on for differential hardening.

[Anonymous No.13446301]

I had a japanese knife that had a lifetime warranty, guaranteed to never dull

I don't understand how that's possible

[Anonymous No.13446311]

>>13444816
>book burning bad
>flag burning good
leftist logic

[Anonymous No.13446354]

>>13446284
You say "just", but a knife like this has a different shape than a common chef's knife, gently convex in parts, gently concave in other parts, where the radius of the curve tightens slightly as it approaches the edge but stays very large (i.e. nearly straight) as it approaches the midpoint where it intersects a perfectly flat facet. Pic related is a much lower grade specimen but it roughly illustrates the shape. It's quite thick at the spine, a lot of room for stresses to build up internally in the differential hardening. Getting the shape right, so that it stays perfect indefinitely without any internal stresses, takes work, and the people making these things like to do everything the hard way and to use old timey tools and techniques. Sometimes with old stones that came out of quarries that were closed decades ago that can cost hundreds or thousands of dollars at current market prices. They'll literally save the slurry from those stones and autistically construct their own polishing papers out of traditionally made rice paper and finger polish the blade to a mirror finish, one cm at a time.

If they were using modern automated power tools and CNC it would be one thing but it's almost entirely done by eyeball and hand tools.

[Anonymous No.13446413]

>>13446311
Flags are a meaningless Grug vs. Ug tribalistic symbols galvanizing mouthbreather unification; books and their ideas are eternal.

[Anonymous No.13446542]

>>13446354
A single bevel with a slightly hollow flat side doesn't seem all that difficult to do by hand.
Here's a pic of my first attempt at it. The only power tool I used is an angle grinder to smooth things out.

[Anonymous No.13446565]

>>13442622
folding iron is a crappy way to make steel, the reason iron is folded and beaten is to remove impurities, it's how you make steel when you don't have the bessemer process and can't get hot enough temperatures.

[Anonymous No.13446827]

Here we go again. Thousands of dollars for knives, hundreds of dollars for sushi, $10 for a fucking strawberry.

Japanese are con-artists through and through.

[Anonymous No.13446896]

>>13446827
>Us americans only have good value products, like apple

[Anonymous No.13446934]

>>13446827

Supply and demand, friend. It you have, say, a 15 seat sushi restaurant, and literal tens of thousands of people want to visit it every year, you're going to want to adjust the price up until demand meets your supply. You can get perfectly great sushi for the same price as any other meal at places that aren't scrambling to turn away clients.

[Anonymous No.13446952]

What kind of retard buys a $6k knife that does the same as a well sharpened dollar store knife does? Shit's not even created with machine precision but manually, which obviously means imperfections.

[Anonymous No.13446961]

>>13446565
It’s made with already purified steel, poorfriend. You’re probably thinking of tamahagane

[Anonymous No.13446971]

>>13446542
So in other words despite cheating the best you could do was a hobo knife

[Anonymous No.13446973]

>>13446952
An old bald nip made it. Everything that comes out such a man's ass is considered gold to dumb gaijin.

[Anonymous No.13447025]

>>13446952

A 3 Michelin star sushi chef or a collector. A lot of these knives that are going for 2k + are more commonly bought as art pieces and rarely if ever used.

[Anonymous No.13447036]

>>13446413
i like your posts anon

[Anonymous No.13447103]

>>13442622
it can't be folded 1000x after 10 folds it would have 1024 layers. folding it 16 times would give it 131071 layers.

[Anonymous No.13447305]

>>13446971
When I said I used an angle grinder to smooth things out, I meant that I used it to do a rough polish of the surface. I didn't use it to shape the bevels or form the hollow flat.
It's not perfect because it was a first time attempt as a beginner.
You act like hammering and polishing a piece of steel by hand will magically give it magical properties.

[Anonymous No.13447336]

>>13447305
>When I said I used an angle grinder to smooth things out, I meant that I used it to do a rough polish of the surface. I didn't use it to shape the bevels or form the hollow flat.
So in other words, you cheated, just not well.
>It's not perfect because it was a first time attempt as a beginner.
I don't understand why a beginner who has attempted to do something hard, and failed badly despite cheating, would still continue to insist that the hard thing is easy.
>You act like hammering and polishing a piece of steel by hand will magically give it magical properties.
"You act like picking up a heavy weight and putting it down will give you supernatural powers" - The weak man who failed to live up to his boastful trash talking of the strong man

[Anonymous No.13447352]

>>13447336
>failed badly
What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.13447356]

>>13446827
Man, fuck the retards buying white strawberries.
I make them just fine using good ol' bleach.

[Anonymous No.13447363]

>>13445052
本焼 and 柳刃包丁are literally Japanese native words, the fuck are you talking about? Or are you genuinely implying that because it's transcribed into romaji that it's no longer Japanese?

[Anonymous No.13447372]

>>13447352
I don't know what kind of an answer you want from me. It's cool that you're experimenting with knife making. I'm sure with some work that would be a nice knife, in a general sense. I just don't see how, in your mind, that thing resembles the knife in op's pic, or could even begin to resemble it. Have you ever actually handled a yanagi before? Or any single bevel Japanese knife?

[Anonymous No.13447403]

>>13447372
You described the single bevel profile with a hollow flat as being something difficult to achieve.
It doesn't look like the op knife because that's not what I was going for.

[Anonymous No.13447419]

>>13447403
Yes, difficult and labor intensive. As you yourself showed by trying, with cheat codes, not getting anywhere close, and now changing your story and saying you weren't trying in the first place. Ok then.

[Anonymous No.13447453]

>>13447419
What are you talking about?
It shows the single bevel and a hollow flat on my picture.

[Anonymous No.13447471]

>>13443696
>it's expensive so it's good
You own an iPhone don't you

[Anonymous No.13447475]

>>13444816
>>13446413
They hated him because he told the truth

[Anonymous No.13447541]

>>13442622
Looks pretty stabby.

[Anonymous No.13447542]

>>13447453
Look at the picture you posted. Either you posted the wrong one, or you're really really confused about what words mean.

Again - have you ever handled a single bevel knife? Sharpened one? Cut with one? Because they don't resemble what you posted in the least bit aside from being pieces of silvery metal.

[Anonymous No.13447558]

ITT: poorfag seethe and cope

[Anonymous No.13447561]

>>13447542
Maybe you're just blind.

[Anonymous No.13447568]

>>13447561
No, I saw your abortion the first time. Didn't you just get done saying you weren't trying? So now you were trying again? Are you drunk?

[Anonymous No.13447576]

>>13447568
>trying again
It's the same knife just at a somewhat different angle to help you see.

[Anonymous No.13447619]

>>13444813
Ah yes, prime bait.

[Anonymous No.13447622]

>>13442622
>>13443676
Imagine buying one of these and accidentally dropping it or chipping the blade on the first day lmao

[Anonymous No.13447634]

>>13447622
You can tell this is a poorfag commenter because he assumes the buyer will use it.

[Anonymous No.13448245]

>>13446106
Powerful

[Anonymous No.13448385]

[Anonymous No.13449177]

>>13448385
Photos are hard because they don't show what the blade section looks like in the middle (where the real action is)

[Anonymous No.13449381]

>>13443696
Very impressive custom made chef knives from makers I follow run $500/$800 ish

[Anonymous No.13449398]

>>13446119
Its a sushi knife retard, cant you tell from the shape thats its for slicing big things

[Anonymous No.13449412]

>>13446827
Theres a market for everything friendo, no one is forcing you to buy a $3000 knife instead of a $20 one just like no one is forcing you to buy a rolls royce over a second hand corolla, or a rolex over a casio.

Buy what you want, if you want the finest meticulously handmade yanagiba forged from meteorite and angels tits then its probably going to cost a bit

[Anonymous No.13449437]

>>13446952
Enthusiasts who will cherish and appreciate it.

Believe it or not, $6k is fuck all to some people. And if their hobby/profession is cutting sushi then thats probably what they'll grab.

I like WW2 stuff, i paid $1500 for a very nice condition kar98k. I could have bought a brand new and much more accurate rifle for a third of the price. But i wanted a Kar98k and $1500 doesnt mean much to me so there you go

[Anonymous No.13449457]

>>13447568
Not him but im into knife making too, thats clearly not the finished product, just ground to shape.

Next step after its ground to shape is a whole lot of sanding which will leave it looking very nice

[Anonymous No.13449554]

>>13442622
What's better
>white steel
>blue steel
>other steel
for kitchen knives, and why pls?

[Anonymous No.13449569]

>>13444992
Youre so fucking pathetic. I bet youre some /pol/ cross-shitter. Your fucking ignorance and entitlement are physically painful.

[Anonymous No.13449576]

>>13449554
White steel is straight up carbon steel (easy to sharpen, gets extremely sharp, rusts if you dont look after it)

Blue steel is white steel but very slightly stainless, so basically everything about it will be slightly worse other than the fact that its more rust resistant.

Other steels, there are hundreds and hundreds, which ones? What are you after?

[Anonymous No.13449578]

>>13445057
Keep fighting the good fight anon, I am too tired after years of being on this god forsaken trash forum

[Anonymous No.13449580]

>>13446413
Based. Fuck /pol/ and fuck the retards that constantly spread their shit everywhere.

[Anonymous No.13449587]

>>13449576
Thanks anons.
>what are you after
Nothing in particular. Was just curious about the steel used in kitchen knives.
I'll keep what you posted in mind when I go kitchen knife shopping.

[Anonymous No.13449591]

Imagine spending 3k on a meme knife kek.

[Anonymous No.13449612]

>>13449587
If you're not quite sure what you're after, probably better off with a stainless blade.

Are you newish to the world of kitchen knives or are you just wondering about those steels specifically while looking at gyutos?

[Anonymous No.13449619]

>>13449612
>are you just wondering about those steels specifically while looking at gyutos?
This. Was just wondering about the specific trademarked steels used.

[Anonymous No.13449635]

>>13449576
Adding chromium doesn't really have any downsides until you get into the stainless steel territory where you start getting coarse carbide structures that causes brittleness.
52100 is has mostly the same composition as 1095 but with the higher chromium content it gets a much higher toughness.

[Anonymous No.13449636]

>>13449619
They're made by Hitachi, the reason they're called white/blue/yellow paper steel is because the steel comes wrapped in coloured paper to differentiate them

[Anonymous No.13449747]

>>13442622
I am convinced there is a market for selling knives to novices, where non-knife makers come into the market by middle manning and specializing in graphic content.

[Anonymous No.13449781]

>>13442622
long and skinny like OPs dick

[Anonymous No.13450120]

>>13445917
>>13446024
We're on 4chan
It happens

[Anonymous No.13450129]

>>13446565
Folding is to combine brittle and flexible steel alloys together to get the strength of both properties. But without losing their strengths, eg, if you made an alloy that compromised between them.

[Anonymous No.13450135]

>>13446952
Its not even made of ceramic or artificial sapphire.

[Anonymous No.13450235]

>>13450129
Folding the steel was just to spread the impurities evenly through the steel billet, otherwise the blade would have weak points and probably break. They didnt quite have the technology to melt down and make uniform billets so folding it a few times was the next best thing

What you're describing sounds more forge welding a higher carbon core to a softer spine

[Anonymous No.13451626]

>>13447634
Tools are meant to be USED. Richfags are cancer