Espresso Edition 2.rrreeeeeeee. This thread is for all coffee related discussion and inquiries. >what are you drinking >where is it from >getting anymore Previous thread >>13324647

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Anonymous Tue Dec 10 22:17:05 2019 No.13349553 [Reply] [Original]

Espresso Edition 2.rrreeeeeeee. This thread is for all coffee related discussion and inquiries.

>what are you drinking
>where is it from
>getting anymore

Previous thread >>13324647

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 22:56:52 2019 No.13349726 >>13349553 I got a free k cup machine. Recommend good k cup brands.

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Anonymous Wed Dec 11 03:51:39 2019 No.13350761

Did that guy from two threads ago ever get the envelope I sent with the coffee? I addressed it to CK Anon so I hope whoever handles your mail didn't question it. If you got it, tell me what you thought. The Peruvian was my favorite one we did. Next month is this Indonesian one and desu I'm not super impressed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 06:48:47 2019 No.13351155 can anyone reccomend me some good coffee machine brands for poorfags?

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 07:06:34 2019 No.13351195 >>13351155 I'd say start saving. I'm saving for OP's machine >>13349553 and hopefully I'll save enough for it in 2-3 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:19:16 2019 No.13351800 Bump

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 12:18:02 2019 No.13351976
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>>13351155
If we're talking espresso, no. You're gonna spend 300-800 on a grinder and then ~400 on an espresso machine. Spend as much as you possibly can on a decent grinder.
Search Craigslist or marketplace for high end grinders in your area. There's always a cafe going out of business. If you want a machine that won't ever break get a manual. You'll replace gaskets and o-rings and you'll go through grease, but it won't ever go obsolete or brick itself.
Home espresso is a money pit and a trap. You won't save money but you'll probably enjoy your coffee a lot more. Starbucks superautos just can't compete with trained baristas on a traditional machine.
If you want to drink good filter coffee get
amazon com/dp/B07DQK322J/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_0js8Db5ECXN61
and
amazon com/dp/B001RBTSMM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_kls8Db9JEKT37

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 12:33:38 2019 No.13352021 I think I got memed into getting an Aeropress. I'm just a >casual coffee drinker but how do I make the best coffee with this thing? The coffee I've made came out super bitter until I used milk which I never do cause I like my coffees black.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 12:54:12 2019 No.13352096

>>13351155
>>13351976

You don't need to spend a fortune to make good coffee. A $15 grinder and a $25 stovetop expresso maker are enough:

amazon com/Original-Bialetti-Moka-Express-Stovetop/dp/B0001SJH2I?th=1

I got an off brand cheap as shit one from Walmart for $8. Makes expresso which can then be mixed with hot water to make an Americano that is a hundred times better than a drip machine. Or add hot milk for cafe au lait.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:20:30 2019 No.13352694

>>13352096
I'm not even upset about this suggestion. If you're broke and you want a pressure extracted coffee concentrate, that totally works. Moka just isn't espresso though. I've gotten comparable results out of my phin when I get the grind just right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 16:07:27 2019 No.13352879 File: 3.63 MB, 286x258, kek.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13351976

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:46:42 2019 No.13353299 >>13352021 have a less fine grind is where id atleast start; dont change your ratio

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:32:55 2019 No.13353461 >>13349553 >that breville piece of trash again you're a fucking fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:33:51 2019 No.13353464 >>13353461 Those breville pieces of shit actually produce good espresso. But you probably are in no position to know that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:49:19 2019 No.13353537 >>13353464 the barista express uses a built in grinder on par with the cheapest grinder in their lineup, which is categorically worse than the baratza encore (a grinder which is NOT suited for espresso). it's a piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:08:06 2019 No.13354196 americano or gtfo

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:38:45 2019 No.13354308 File: 1.22 MB, 2560x1440, 20191211_204720.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do you remove/replace this? Just wiggle it? Can't find any screw to loosen the frame

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:04:29 2019 No.13354422 Drip is too acidic, espresso is where it’s at. Espresso is nice and smooth. Especially when paired with milk

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:11:39 2019 No.13354449 File: 157 KB, 1600x1445, coffee1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13353537 Well I don't I use a breville smart grinder and a breville coffee maker. If you hack the Roma properly you can get very hot expression for the extraction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:14:17 2019 No.13354460 >>13353461 What is your home espresso machine and grinder of choice?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:15:50 2019 No.13354466 File: 122 KB, 285x499, L1059-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13354422 If drip is too acidic, you're either a pussy or have horrible beans. Drink these.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:35:43 2019 No.13354541 >>13354466 >calls people out for using ‘horrible beans’ >recommends grocery tier trash

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:38:39 2019 No.13354558 >>13354541 Oh, fuck off with your custom roasted beans. I'm giving people a good choice. So sick of you Seattle type cunts with your "just right" beans. Just grow the fuck up and live in the real.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:42:45 2019 No.13354580 >>13354558 >”good” >9 month old grocery store trash Fuck off with your garbage taste you subhuman

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:44:32 2019 No.13354591 >>13354580 what would you recommend for people around the continent then you stupid cunt? You probably haven't figured it out but we all don't live in one place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:45:58 2019 No.13354601 >>13354580 I know you're a boring shit-creature but I'm giving you a chance to prove yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:48:13 2019 No.13354615 >>13354580 If you say Illy I'll punch my fucking screen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 22:52:05 2019 No.13354633 >>13354580 Figured you were a human mistake. No opinion just jibber.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:02:48 2019 No.13354683
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i've been using a cheap coffee press from ikea, with grocery store folgers classic roast , because I don't have to buy filters, I am going to start buying the beans from the bulk section with the grinder next to it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:41:21 2019 No.13355018 >>13349553 Mr. Coffee with folgers from a bucket, black. roast me

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Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:52:54 2019 No.13355055

>>13352694
I think that if you're trying to emulate espresso then phin is honestly better than the Moka pot. I honestly really don't like the Moka pot at all and I don't really see what purpose it serves or why it's so popular. It just tastes like a worse French press to me, and I would rather have pourover than French press in the first place.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:55:41 2019 No.13355067

>>13354591
Just order something online you dumb retard. It's 2019, you can literally get anything shipped directly to your door. There are numerous coffee roasters that specialize in this and will roast your coffee when you order and get it to you within three days. Don't recommend boomer trash coffee in an enthusiast thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:50:17 2019 No.13355222 >>13352021 Throw that aeropress in the garbage and get a v60.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:51:34 2019 No.13355404 >>13354308 either heat it under water, the metal frame will expand more, so you can pull it out easier or see if you can detach the handle, that opens the frame on my model

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:55:21 2019 No.13355417

>>13351976
A cheap gaggia classic with a pid to prevent mid shot temperature sag in the tiny boiler is fine if you're willing to tinker just a little. You can get the thing heat soaked really quickly, like 15 minutes vs an hour or more on larger (and better) semi autos.
The only thing I regret was initially trying to use an Encore as a grinder. Made every pull a dice roll.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 12:13:45 2019 No.13356668 Vino

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:26:06 2019 No.13357450

>>13352694
>I'm not even upset about this suggestion. If you're broke and you want a pressure extracted coffee concentrate, that totally works. Moka just isn't espresso though. I've gotten comparable results out of my phin when I get the grind just right.

I admit, I am not into espresso so much as americano/latte type coffee so the Moka works really well for me. What's the deal with the phin? I google it and I get videos of vietnamese hipsters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:29:17 2019 No.13357464 File: 292 KB, 1848x1230, 93542623232_o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] guys ill tell you the following

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:30:01 2019 No.13357468 Today I put Hershey's Dark Chocolate Syrup in my coffee fight me irl idgaf

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:32:54 2019 No.13357475 >>13357464 That’s my anus every time I have to shit in the last 3 days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:32:58 2019 No.13357477 File: 56 KB, 704x639, 1572456781482.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] g... g... goffee?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:34:24 2019 No.13357486 >>13357450 Not him but the phin makes like 50mL of concentrated coffee that is typically added directly to a cup full of condensed milk. I like to make it plain and it almost tastes like a really weak espresso. Better than Moka in that regard imo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:35:32 2019 No.13357494 >>13354591 >>13354601 >>13354615 >>13354633 he right though. why would you cuck yourself by buying grocery shit when you can buy freshly roasted beans from any specialized vendor. you dont live in bumfuck nowhere, do you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:36:03 2019 No.13357497 >>13357475 drop anal its not for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:59:55 2019 No.13357590 Anyone use a hand grinder? I don't make enough coffee to warrant a big boy, but a manual is looking better than my cuisinart piece of trash burr.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:07:33 2019 No.13357623 >>13357590 I've been using the Hario Skerton for about 5 years with a French Press. I've considered upgrading to an electric but I can hand grind 60 grams of beans before my water finishes boiling.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:09:21 2019 No.13357627 >>13357494 He’s probably a fucking neet who buys all his groceries via delivery service like amazon

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 18:15:20 2019 No.13358147 >>13357627 >Oh, you don't buy months-old boomer coffee at the grocery store? You must be a fucking neet manchild who buys everything from Amazon! Why are coffee threads consistently full of fucking retards like you

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:28:24 2019 No.13358725 I'm thinking about trying my french press for the first time...

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:00:14 2019 No.13359041 >>13358725 Do it. Know the first time might not be the best.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:02:47 2019 No.13359047 >>13357494 because I'm not a fucking needy cunt in search of acceptance with shitpeople like you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:04:31 2019 No.13359050 >>13357494 I honest to god can't stand people like you. You're the garbage community created by too many years of excess. You're worthless humans that think they are entitled to everything. You need to be tossed into a desert and tortured.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:06:14 2019 No.13359055 File: 285 KB, 1600x1200, portafilter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13357494 I have all the great toys in this life, but I utterly hate you fucking cunts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:31:57 2019 No.13359144 >>13359050 kys and your shit thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:06:42 2019 No.13359249 >>13359041 Yeah it sucked. It was thin, then I dumped it and there was a ton of coffee on the bottom of the cup. Will try again with beans that aren't the end of the bag.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:09:28 2019 No.13359423 >>13359249 https://youtu.be/st571DYYTR8

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:47:54 2019 No.13359532 >>13349553 I'm drinking some seatles finest or whatever. Its office coffee.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:11:05 2019 No.13360458 drinking a microwave warmed up mug of cuppie previously made from instant mix + tea kettled boiled water

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:42:51 2019 No.13360513 File: 2.23 MB, 3456x3456, IMG_20191213_094111_250.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Picked up a few bags for gifts and one for myself. Going to get my parents a pour over for xmas as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:42:49 2019 No.13360656 >>13360513 Sounds comfy. I feel like blends are underrated. Tried pleb teir wawa holiday blend fresh, its not bad, but lacks the flavour their single origins do.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:06:04 2019 No.13360714

Hi frens, I tried others' keurig machines before and honestly the coffee tasted absolutely terrible - but that was with those keurig pods that come pre-filled.

Has anyone tried grinding their own beans and using those refillable keurig pods with the machine? Is the shit taste from pre-filled pods just due to the shittiness of the coffee, or is the machine itself for plebs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:28:32 2019 No.13360766 >>13360714 Its pleb. Even the refillables aren't great. Your better off with moka pot, French press, or pour over.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:35:23 2019 No.13360786 >>13351976 Exactly.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:41:52 2019 No.13361003
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>>13360656
Pretentious fucks like to shit on blends for some reason, they're obsessed with muh single origins.
Why the hell wouldn't you combine flavors together to aim for something better

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:46:22 2019 No.13361033 Any of you "people" tried this Calefat Robot?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:45:41 2019 No.13361253

>>13360766
>Its pleb.

Thanks brah, I had a feeling that I was right to hate keurig. It makes me mad because freshly ground coffee is not hard or expensive to make and it's one of life's simple pleasures. Trust globohomo capitalism to take something so simple and perfect and yet convince millions of people that they need keurig, or worse, instant coffee instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:56:23 2019 No.13361814 File: 87 KB, 1024x571, 20140802-131547-47747664.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Today instead of cream and sugar I put an Oh Henry's ice bar in my coffee

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 18:52:25 2019 No.13362793

>>13349553
I've upgraded from Folgers to a local roaster since I started drinking coffee and I'm kind of intimidated when looking at what to try next. I'm using a Mr. Coffee drip machine now and I like the convenience of it. Any suggestions on where to go next?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:17:18 2019 No.13363688 >>13362793 V60

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 05:37:06 2019 No.13365202 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 09:07:25 2019 No.13365738 >>13360513 I saw aeropress for cheap, not sure if I should get that for my parents instead of pour over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 09:34:41 2019 No.13365796 >girlfriend works at starbucks >comes home >starts laughing about how their store received 10x too many boxes of espresso this company really doesn’t care, do they?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 11:29:27 2019 No.13366132 >>13365796 Huh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 16:06:20 2019 No.13367248 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 21:09:02 2019 No.13368416 Reeee

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 04:45:31 2019 No.13369807 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 05:39:02 2019 No.13369931 Drinking clipper coffee(local st louis brand) it's been my go 2 for the past few months. Unless I visit my favorite cafe or get something shipped from them I drink clipper & the occasional bustelo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 06:03:46 2019 No.13369995 What are the best coffee beans I can get in the UK that don't cost a lot of money (for the sake of argument, thats £5 for a 227g bag)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:00:32 2019 No.13370770 >>13363688 Any specific brand you could recommend?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 11:17:23 2019 No.13370834 >>13370770 V60 is a Hario pour over, but you could get a different pour over as well.

Anonymous Sun Dec 15 14:48:26 2019 No.13371834
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Had the cheap pilon coffee as a cubano. It's a guess a bit more ""winey""" in its bite compared to bustelo. Though I think so far I like pilon more than bustelo.
>>13369931
Sounds comfy. What does clipper taste like exactly? Why is it your go to?
>>13369995
Steel french press might know if they pop by.

Anonymous Sun Dec 15 15:58:45 2019 No.13372201

Ive started using v60 after using nespresso pods for years. The coffee tastes ok but kind of sour and bitter, even for coffee. I've noticed that the water is taking only a minute or so to pour through no matter how fine i grind the coffee beans. Any tips?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 19:08:37 2019 No.13372958 I was just given a cold brew pitcher and a little handheld nitrogen infuser. I like coffee but am not a learned drinker. What is this nitrogen nonsense?

Anonymous Sun Dec 15 20:55:25 2019 No.13373337

>>13371834
It really is, it's strong but not bitter so I can drink it black. It's at all the grocery stores I visit, and anyone who tries it loves it too. And I find the tin with the boat on it pretty comfy, if it's not in your area just look it up they ship anywhere in the US

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 15 21:08:44 2019 No.13373394 >>13372201 a coffee cant be sour and bitter

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 01:42:46 2019 No.13374451 >>13373337 >strong but not too bitter toy can stink it black Nice. I'll have to look into it when I can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 02:17:06 2019 No.13374573 >>13349553 I always look forward to my fresh hot cup of expresso in the morning

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 02:19:11 2019 No.13374578 Should I buy a Baratza Encore Y/N

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 02:29:27 2019 No.13374606

>>13373394
Of course it can. It's called uneven extraction - over-extraction and under-extraction in the same brew.

>>13372201
Sounds like a poor quality grinder. If your grind is inconsistent you are likely to get channeling in your bed which will result in a high flow rate even with a seemingly small grind. Inconsistent grind also explains the sour and bitter quality as the small grinds will be over-extracted and the large grinds under-extracted.

If your grinder is high quality my next thought would be poor pouring technique. If you pour too aggressively you could be disturbing the bed excessively which will again lead to channeling. Are you using a goose-neck kettle?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 09:06:52 2019 No.13375468 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 09:40:03 2019 No.13375522 >>13374578 if you are brewin pour over, drip or french press sure

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 13:42:26 2019 No.13376271
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>Doing my morning espresso calibrations
>18g dose
>24 second draw time
>42g shot weight
>Really nice, sweet vanilla and honey notes
>Very good mouth feel and texture
>Owner is delighted with the days espresso
>I'm happy she's happy
>"Anon, the espresso is fantastic, but I'm worried it's too weak for the 16oz lattes"
>Mfw
>"How much water are you running through the espresso Puck?"
>"84ml"
>"Is can you make she shot taste the same in a 12oz and 16oz but make it stronger?"
>Mfw
>"Um... Not really, we only add 2 shots in the 12 and 16oz, it's always going to taste weaker"
>"Just make the espresso bigger"
>Have to totally recalibrate the espresso on the fly during the morning rush
>95ml
>56g
>24 seconds to draw
>texture and mouth feel is now watery and thin
>Honey notes replaced by slight bitterness, sweetness is all but gone
>don't want to make the coffee any coarser because I'll get a wild change in my times
>Owner is happy
>Normies are happy
>mfw my boss is falling for the bitter strong meme
>mfw she wants us to compete on the same level as Nemisis coffee
>mfw the "decaf skim vanilla nó foam and boil the milk" crowd are killing me inside

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 17:57:08 2019 No.13377326

>>13376271
>its not strong enough
No one drinks anything that's not cotado/macchiato fo enjoy the coffee flavor. Any milk heavy coffee drink over 8oz is just heated coffee flavor milk. If they want stronger coffee flavor they need to pony up that extra shot or use a Italian espresso.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:08:31 2019 No.13377383 File: 83 KB, 1500x1000, cup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it possible to cup coffee so it tastes like actual pour over, instead of hot yellow water? Am i retarded? How am i supposed to do this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:23:24 2019 No.13377450 >>13377383 Watch james Hoffman's videos on cupping

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 18:28:21 2019 No.13377469

>>13376271
>boil the milk
People from India seem to like their shit lava hot, it's unreal.
>>13377326
And this.
I dial in the espresso everyday, not so I can make good coffee for the customers, but so I can make good coffee for me, the customers are braindead anyway. If someone happens to get a plain espresso I give it to them for basically free because they're basically a unicorn.

Anonymous Mon Dec 16 23:54:32 2019 No.13378838

>>13377383
Cupping isn't supposed to taste pleasant. It's an industry practice developed by buyers to assess the quality of a harvest. Why hipsters have integrated into their coffee drinking culture is anyone's guess. Next thing you know they'll be taking shots of olive oil. Oh wait...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 01:41:58 2019 No.13379091 File: 781 KB, 800x620, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw the brain-bowel connection during my first cup of the day is so strong that I feel the urge to shit before I even finish grinding the beans

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 02:32:08 2019 No.13379213 >been off coffee for a weeks >feels weird af Is this how I've always felt? This feels terrible. Everything seems duller, slower and boring. I want to get back on the caffeine, bros.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 09:27:31 2019 No.13379988 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 11:05:57 2019 No.13380331 >>13376271 welcome to the sad reality of working in coffee.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 13:07:03 2019 No.13380839 >>13354466 these are insanely shitty.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 13:08:49 2019 No.13380848

>>13354591
I live in north europe where it's a worthwhile fact to advertize that coffee beans are fucking arabica.

And there is still a good importer that imports quality coffee.
The grocery store shit you reccomended tastes like battery acid and will kill your sense of taste.

Proper bean is 3x as expensive but it is 50x as good so it's a god damn bargain.
Go outside and do some research, unless your country is torn between a civil war, even then it will have a quality coffee importer.

It is worth it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 13:10:52 2019 No.13380857 I have barista training from being a waiter at one of the good restaurants in the country. What cheap grinder you reccomend? I'm going to get the De'Longhi EC 685.M. I'm sick and tired of preground grocery store trash coffee.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 14:41:34 2019 No.13381280
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Anyone else flavoring up their cheap coffee during the holidays? Made a peppermint mocha.
>>13379213
Your having withdrawls. Either continue with coffee, switch to tea, or ween yourself off caffeine with tea.
>>13380839
>>13354541
Only had the whole bean version, not preground. It wasn't bad for what it was. Had a slight fruity bit to it and passes off as good basic bitch coffee for the price. Not everyone has the dough to drop on $15 bags of coffee or they do live in the boonies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 16:41:15 2019 No.13381837 >>13381280 >withdrawls weeks later um, no sweetie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 17:09:50 2019 No.13381961 >>13381837 >been off coffee for a weeks Wasn't sure if you meant to type week or weeks.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 18:29:43 2019 No.13382333
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>>13380857
It depends on what you're drinking at home. If you're making cold brew or a French press, the extraction is a lot more forgiving so you could go for a upper low or lower mid tier grinder.
Another option is that you could order in coffee from a specialist roaster and get it ground at your local café. If you offer to buy something in exchange for it being ground and are polite/friendly about it, they'll usually oblige. It's not an ideal solution as you'd want to grind it yourself to keep it as fresh as possible, again assuming that you're keeping it in an air tight container. It's cost effective at the end of the day.
What you drinking fren?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 21:10:28 2019 No.13382949 Is there a simple resource on what I need to make better than bottom of the barrel coffee? Want to start looking into the gadgetry and stuff more because it's cool. Only familiar with the simple coffee maker as of now.

Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:14:33 2019 No.13383409
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>>13382949
You can just as easily make a mediocre coffee taste exceptional as you can make an exceptional coffee taste mediocre, regardless of your equipment.
The 4 things you need to really get the best from your coffee cost almost nothing.
>A scales(one that goes into 0.1g is preferable but not essential)
>A stopwatch
>Pen
>Paper
Before you make a brew, take note of your grind consistency.
Weigh your coffee, "spoons" are not a consistent unit of measurement, you want to be as consistent as possible.
Time your brew
Write all of it down
If it tastes sour, you've under extracted the coffee, let it brew a bit longer, use less coffee or both.
If it's bitter, you've extracted too much. Brew it for less time, add some more coffee or both.
If it's sweet(not sugar sweet) you've nailed it.
After that, just go back to your notes to repeat the process. Just remember that all coffee's are different and require different weights, consistency and brew times. Try this first before investing in any new equipment.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 17 23:54:36 2019 No.13383565 >>13383409 how can i keep track of grind consistency when my grinder doesn't have numbers, there is notches tho. Do I just have to eyeball it or remember what it looks like or how many turns i have done?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 00:50:25 2019 No.13383731 Coffee newfag here, going to Costco tomorrow to get some whole beans, any recommendations?

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 01:07:16 2019 No.13383764

>>13383565
Yeah, just eyeball it at first or keep track of what notch you're at. You're trying to get the skills that will shine through with better equipment. If the camera on your phone is any use and has a good resolution you could even take a picture of the grinds for reference, that or sprinkle some on some clear sellotape and put it on the page of your notes for reference.
Eventually you'll just be able to eyeball it with a level of confidence in what you want.

What are you making? Moka, French press, drip?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 03:21:06 2019 No.13384072 What would you guys recommend for a “high end” french press? I’m satisfied with my $30 one but would like to upgrade if it’s worth it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 05:42:13 2019 No.13384324 >>13383409 Thank you for the tips, appreciated.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:24:03 2019 No.13384609

>>13382333
There is a local caffeteria chain that does import REALLY nice roasts.
My fave are more acidic guatemalan and columbian coffees but right now I use french press and preground north euro water-soluable degreaser.
I mostly want to get a manual espresso machine because it was fun to work it and it allows me to drink as much coffee as I want and not be constrained to having to make an entire pot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 08:25:06 2019 No.13384613 >>13384072 There is no high end. Fuck off with glass and get a stainless one with insulated vacuum wall. After a lifelong of breaking a press at minimum once a year, the stainless one has lasted me 2 years and the coffee in it stays warm for hours.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:15:16 2019 No.13384702 File: 376 KB, 496x676, 1550961174474.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How come coffee threads are fine, but S I P B O Y S face relentless persecution from the jannies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:37:44 2019 No.13384764 >>13384702 because retards like you turn a drink into a personality instead of having a genuine discussion

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:38:52 2019 No.13384767 >>13384764 What do you think this thread is?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 09:44:32 2019 No.13384779 >>13384767 people asking brewing methods, discussing bean origins, and various flavors link me five posts that are the equivalent of “SIP BOYS WYA”

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 10:35:27 2019 No.13384907

>>13384702
I don't mind talking about coffee with people who know fuck all about it. At the end of the day, you deserve a better coffee.
People by and large, just been trained to enjoy objectively shit coffee, thinking that they can't afford better or that this is the best that can be done with coffee.
I look at it like steak. If you're such a poorfag that you can only afford to buy it a few times a year, you don't really know how to cook it properly so you buy whatever and as a result, you have to cook it well done so you don't get sick and miss work.
I'm not going to shit on you for not having it medium rare.
But if you're an absolute chad who makes bank, has steak once or twice a week and still get it well done, then I'll shit all over you because you knowingly can do better but you choose shit tier.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:15:09 2019 No.13385237 >>13357468 Not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:22:27 2019 No.13385254 >>13365796 Smug fucks.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:35:39 2019 No.13385286

I have a Gaggia Classic and I can make consistently good shots with it. I only drink one double, sometimes a second an hour or so later, each day. I have a timer plug to turn it on every morning so preheating isn’t an issue.

Is there any reason for me to upgrade to a more expensive machine in the future?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 12:53:27 2019 No.13385367 >>13365796 >>13385254 They've actually closed a few stores in BC. There are now no Starbucks in whistler town, the only two are inside a hotel and on one of the ski slopes.

Anonymous Wed Dec 18 14:53:50 2019 No.13385775
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I wanna buy an electric burr grinder that doesn't feel like a overpriced plasticy walmart appliance and a built in hopper that I won't even use because I keep my beans in a jar.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 20:32:00 2019 No.13387036 Bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 18 23:39:10 2019 No.13387646 >>13385775 Then buy one

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 01:09:06 2019 No.13387846 >>13384613 Does it just need to be insulated or specifically have the term vacuum involved?

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 04:46:47 2019 No.13388175

I've got a bunch of mascarpone cheese I should use before the weekend.

I have coffee.

What can I do with it? Not a baker so I don't know how to tiramisu anything but maybe... if I treated the mascarpone as if it was cream somehow and poured an espresso over it it might not be the worst thing in the world?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 04:48:17 2019 No.13388177 >>13384072 Just scale up for volume. There's no high end.

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 09:50:38 2019 No.13388749

>>13388175
Tirimasu is the easiest shit in the world to make. Even if you take the time to make a sabayon (which is the proper way to do it) it’s not hard. Just buy a couple packs of of lady fingers and some eggs and get to it. You’ll have a nice holiday treat to bring to work or a family gathering over the weekend (or freeze yo save for next week)

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 11:02:19 2019 No.13388937 >>13385775 Prepare to spend $300+

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 11:23:19 2019 No.13389007 File: 88 KB, 640x480, C3A70CCA-0155-416B-9787-9B819A0285B5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is there a good way to clean this or is it just not worth the time? it’s from a drip machine found in my dead grandparents home

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 13:26:26 2019 No.13389358 Anyone have experience with standalone frothers/steamers? What's the best way to go?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 13:48:15 2019 No.13389405 >>13388937 Are there really no good electric burrs for less than 200?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 14:09:55 2019 No.13389469 >>13389007 Diluted vinegar soak and baking soda scrub.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 14:35:30 2019 No.13389522 >>13355222 checked

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 18:01:12 2019 No.13390126 >>13349726 https://www.freshroastedcoffee.com/collections/coffee-pods I’d try these guys. Apparently their pods are roasted to order and have the roast date on them

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 18:04:50 2019 No.13390138 >>13349726 >>13390126 I've tried their Ethiopia Guji. Pretty good.

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 18:54:49 2019 No.13390303

>>13352021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggCK_oOS_08
Tim Wendelboe's recipe works for me when I'm feeling too lazy to make a v60

>>13351155
If you want good coffee:

A plastic hario v60 + electric kettle + hand grinder. I'd get an aerspeed grinder if you can find one, otherwise the Timemore Slim (not the Slim-S which has espresso burrs) is a decent choice for ~$80 on aliexpress. Don't bother with cheaper grinders. They'll only frustrate you. They'll do a shit job and take a long time. Don't even consider a blade "grinder" btw. If you absolutely MUST get something cheaper, then... Just don't.

Ask the roaster to grind it for you, and just buy a week's supply at a time. (You are buying freshly roasted coffee, right?) If you wanna make more than one or two cups at a time, get a french press instead of the v60. If you're talking about an automatic drip coffee maker, then the Bonavita coffee machine does well according to reviews, but I don't have any experience with it. Alternatively, an aeropress is easy as fuck to use and it damn near cleans itself. The only thing is it doesn't make a lot of coffee.

If you're talking about espresso, then SHIT JUST GOT REAL. You won't be able to get away with anything under $200 for a grinder (Kinu m47 Phoenix) and at least $154 for a flair manual espresso machine. You'd be FAR better off with a $320 Cafelat Robot imo. Way less of a temperature management/cleanup headache than a flair.

But if you're thinking "What the fuck are you goddamn autists talking about I don't need to grind my coffee folgers/starbucks fucking grinds it for me before they put it in the bag. I just want a coffee machine you retards." Then... idk just buy whatever looks good to you on Amazon. Or make cold brew.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 19:00:45 2019 No.13390324 >>13357590 Kinu m47 series or bust

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 19:03:22 2019 No.13390339 File: 434 KB, 220x220, tenor.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13359055 >>13359050 ...But anon, isn't fresh coffee sort of the bare minimum required to make actually good coffee?

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 19:08:05 2019 No.13390359

>>13390339

Yeah because you need to walk down to the market that day and have the beans just barely roasted. Who fucking does that in real life? Seattle poseurs, San Fransisco maybe. People who love to love the 'lifestyle'. Well, after 40 you finally grow up. Just eat and drink what tastes good without pretending you know a goddamn thing about it. WIkipedia experts yapping about the beans they got at Johnnybeans. It was the best arabica robusta blend I'd ever had. I came.

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 19:10:19 2019 No.13390368

>>13370770
https://www.amazon.com/Hario-Ceramic-Coffee-Dripper-White/dp/B002IR1O3A?th=1 and get the japanese made filters for it. You'll need a kettle, a gooseneck kettle is better, an electric gooseneck kettle is even better, and a temperature-selecting electric gooseneck kettle is honestly maybe overkill but it's great. I've got a Stagg EKG but desu a bonavita electic kettle would do just as good a job

Anonymous Thu Dec 19 20:23:28 2019 No.13390628
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>>13372201
Get a grinder. I recommend hand grinders as they're the best bang for your buck. See >>13390303

>>13390359
No, but they should be roasted at least at some point in the past couple weeks. And if you frequent a cafe selling beans or your store carries fresh beans, you're not going out of your way to buy them, are you. They're ALREADY there where you're ALREADY buying stuff. OR, you could order online.

Now, if you legit can't taste the difference between old-ass pre-ground coffee and freshly roasted specialty coffee then... If that's actually the case, in a weird way I both envy and pity you.

It'd be a pity that you wouldn't know how awesome coffee can be, but I'd also envy your ability to genuinely enjoy truly shit coffee.

Well, getting quality coffee that's freshly roasted and grinding it just before brewing tastes good to me.

And if you think THAT'S elitist and over the top...

Well.

Wait till you hear that I make my own water for brewing coffee with epsom salt, baking soda, magnesium, calcium, potassium and distilled water. I make a 200g mineral concentrate using a scale accurate to 0.01 grams. To make a gallon, I have a second scale that I use to weigh how much water I have. I put an empty jug on the scale, tare it, then put a full jug on the scale to get the net weight of the water in grams. Then I add 4 grams of concentrate to one liter/kilo of distilled water. Say I have exactly one gallon of distilled. That weighs 3.78 kilos, so I multiply 3.78 times 4, and that's how many grams of mineral concentrate I add. And yes, it very noticeably makes better coffee.

Now... compared to that, does the trivial act of using fresh coffee still seem like overkill?

>Just eat and drink what tastes good without pretending you know a goddamn thing about it.

Agreed. What we drink tastes good. And we're not pretending.

>Coffee peaks 3-5 days post roast so your example is off.
>water info: https://coffeeadastra.com/2018/12/16/water-for-coffee-extraction/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 21:38:08 2019 No.13390869 >look for a used Gaggia >half of them are cheap but look disgusting >the other half are jews that put them at near new price when they used to be sold and overprice them if they used any mods fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 22:08:04 2019 No.13390949 So for a decent grinder I'm paying around 100 bucks yeh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 19 23:05:47 2019 No.13391132 >>13390949 Try 200-300

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 00:26:42 2019 No.13391370 >>13391132 expensive hobby, lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 00:30:32 2019 No.13391381 File: 58 KB, 720x703, 1576338566876.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13391370 ok

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 00:40:33 2019 No.13391398 >>13391381 I mean don't get me wrong, I appreciate the ballpark.

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 02:57:30 2019 No.13391740
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>>13390339
That's, mostly true.
This is because, when you roast coffee, it causes a chemical reaction in the bean that makes gasses release over time.
Idealy, you'd like to have your roasted coffee sit aside for a few days to allow some of the gases to release.
You can really notice this with espresso.
If it hasn't had time to degas, the crema will be really foamy, this causes two problems.
>Too much crema forces you to have to adjust how much you steam your milk, less milk foam will alter the natural sweetness of your drink
>Espresso crema is made of undissolved coffee solids. They are naturally bitter and more of it will make your espresso that much more bitter.
I have to pay attention to this shit as my job depends on it, but if you're just brewing at home in the kitchen, then you can get away with it.
Like I said, your statement is "mostly true", you want fresh coffee. You just don't want to use coffee that's still warm from the roaster, 2/3 days degassing is fine.

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 10:36:49 2019 No.13392772

>>13390949
Well that really depends on what you mean by “decent” and what you’re gonna be brewing, and whether you can live with a manual grinder. The cheapest decent grinder for pourover is probably a Timemore Slim for ~$80 on aliexpress. It does a reasonably good job for everything but espresso but it’s not the best, it has a limited capacity of about 30g, and you have to grind the beans by hand. Also aligning the burrs is a bit weird because the outer burr is held in place with a retaining ring that screws on, so as it screws down it likes to move the burr out of alignment. But you probably won’t need to align it.

If you can find one for sale an Aerspeed hand grinder will be ~$100 and do a better job for grind consistency and espresso but grinding for espresso will take a while, and dialing the grind in might be tricky because the adjuster is a little coarse even though it’s strapless. Then there’s the lido hand grinders for like $160 but they’re a hassle to align and probably not much better than an Aerspeed in terms of grind quality. Also where the timemore and Aerspeed are all metal, the lido has a lot of plastic. Where the lidos win is grind speed and like a 60g capacity. The grind adjustment mechanism is weird on them and some people have had it bind up on them. Next is the low end of electric grinders and the upper end of manual grinders.

The Baratza encore is a decent grinder for non-espresso purposes. The main advantage it has is that it’s electric and has a larger capacity. (Which can be bad if you want a low retention single-dosing grinder.) It’s around $200 or a bit less if you find one refurbished. It won’t do as good a job of grind quality as the aerspeed and friends. Maybe better than the timemore.

Then there’s the Kinu hand grinders: M47 Phoenix hand grinder for $200 and the m47 traveler for $230 and the m47 simplicity for $260 and last but not least the M47 classic for $344. They’re all excellent. 1/2

Anonymous Fri Dec 20 11:26:14 2019 No.13392933

>>13392772
All of the Kinus are excellent, especially for espresso. Kinu just came out with a new pour over burr that makes them even better for pour overs/coarse grinds. So you can get that burr too if you want. It’ll fit all of the kinus since they all use the same burrs. They’re probably the best built and best aligned hand grinders in the world. If you have one of these, the only real reason you’d need to upgrade would be if you wanted an electric grinder instead of manual, or if you wanted something with flat burrs instead of conical. The cheapest electric grinder I know of that does a comparably good job is the Niche Zero for $600, but some will argue that.

The main difference between the Kinu hand grinders is build materials and size. The Phoenix has a plastic bean funnel, plastic catch cup, and plastic axle stabilization system where the rest have steel lugs holding the axle in place.

The traveler is smaller, and has an aluminum body where the others have steel bodies. It also has a plastic catch cup.

The simplicity is basically the full size M47 classic except it comes with a plastic catch cup instead of the magnetic steel/plastic cup on the classic. (The magnetic catch cup will fit on the simplicity and the simplicity’s plastic cup will fit the classic btw.)

Then the m47 classic is basically the all-steel one. I’d get the m47 simplicity as it’s the best value imo.

There’s also the helor 101 hand grinder for like $250 that’s all aluminum and comes with a burr set for espresso and another for pourover, but it’s apparently an enormous pain to disassemble and align.

There’s also the Comandante C40 MKIII that’s around $250 and consensus seems to be that it does a slightly better job of pour over than a kinu with the original burr, but that the kinus have superior build quality and are better than the Comandante for espresso. I don’t know of any comparisons with Kinu’s pour over burr.

For a $200-300 electric get Baratza.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 17:50:32 2019 No.13394245 Bump

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 20 22:07:51 2019 No.13395041 Pre bed bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 00:34:28 2019 No.13395461 File: 3.89 MB, 3036x4048, IMG_20191220_231505.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] r8 my coffee nook

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 05:02:04 2019 No.13395846 >>13385775 god i wish that were me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 06:42:37 2019 No.13396029 >>13395461 Simplistic and comfy/10. Nice cabinets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 08:44:14 2019 No.13396387 File: 473 KB, 1200x1200, 247713_4_1200x1200_w_g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Simplicity is King Also >Drinking coffee Prefer adderal tbqh

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 08:46:24 2019 No.13396390 >>13396387 something tells me you’ve never used adderall and think the coffee general is some secret cool club for stimulants

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 08:58:10 2019 No.13396403 >>13396390 Been using 'adderal' for about 3 months, actual active compound is lisdexamfetamine which metabolises to dex.a. Might drink coffee on the weekends, but not too often.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:01:06 2019 No.13396410

>>13396403
you’ve been using adderall for three months but don’t know how to spell it
and even if you had a prescription for vyvanse, what you claim to be taking, you wouldn’t be feeling some crazy high because the release of amphetamines is controlled
and even if you were taking it, you would’ve reached a tolerance two months ago and wouldn’t feel anything
kill yourself larping teenager and let us talk about coffee

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:07:13 2019 No.13396427 File: 398 KB, 700x700, 482-kasuya_top.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13395461 It's the Kasuya V60 cone ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 09:11:44 2019 No.13396439 >>13396410 It's not about feeling a crazy high, it's about adjusting your brain to this high stimulation internet based society. Adderall is not a name brand here, it's Elvanse, but whatever you say, enjoy the coffee.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 10:30:20 2019 No.13396626 File: 116 KB, 706x951, i_like_this_image_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13396029 Thanks man I appreciate it >>13396427 Yeah dude nice guess!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:31:00 2019 No.13397373 >>13395461 I like it. Looks like a cozy place to make coffee

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:37:16 2019 No.13397403 >>13396626 Can you taste any differences ? Do you use his (retarded) over complicated method ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:41:29 2019 No.13397413 Is the Chemex unironically the best option for pour over? Getting tired of all the hassle of using the Gaggia

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:49:21 2019 No.13397444

>>13397413
I haven’t got one, but people say it can be a pain in the ass because the filters get sealed to the glass and slow drawdown. I dunno about that. If you want the best option for pour over, just get a plastic Hario V60 02 desu. I don’t know if it’s the best, but it’s the standard everyone uses and optimizes recipes for so there’s tons of info on using it well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 14:57:28 2019 No.13397470 >>13397444 Any reason for the plastic over ceramic? Or does it not make a difference?

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:05:16 2019 No.13397496

>>13391370
You people never understand investment over single cost items. Imagine going to starbucks or tim hortons every day for a year. You go calculate the cost of that in the thousands of dollars, vs. a home coffee that's orders of magnitude better and more convenient that standing in line, or sitting in your car.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 15:20:13 2019 No.13397546 >>13397470 Price. But get the ceramic, never trust plastic.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:02:24 2019 No.13397751

>>13397546
>>13397470
Temperature stability actually. Plastic is a better thermal insulator than glass, metal, or ceramic, so your brew temp will be higher and steadier. Which means your coffee will be better. Price and durability are just incidental bonuses

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:15:55 2019 No.13397792 >>13397751 You'll also grow mantits from all the phytoestrogens that the plastic leaches into your coffee but go off

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:41:29 2019 No.13397879 >>13357486 > a cup full of condensed milk No! The phin slow-drips onto between like 25 and 50ml condensed milk to make a very strong Ca phe sua nong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 16:55:58 2019 No.13397914 >>13397403 Not really, desu I've been having issues with the flow lately, it'll just start to dribble out instead of stream. I think it causes an air bubble at the bottom of it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 17:06:07 2019 No.13397951 is wawa espresso good, or is it a meme?

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 17:12:37 2019 No.13397980

>>13397792
Idk, maybe? I had braces and wear retainers at night, and 90% of the food I eat is cooked sous vide in plastic bags (I’m on a largely carnivorous diet and sous vide is convenient pls no bully) so I figure making coffee in a plastic v60 is the least of my plastic-themed worries.

>>13397914
The Kasuya method never made sense to me if the goal is to consistently have high, even extractions. It’s also too complicated for me to wanna bother with it.

By the way, anybody got some good decaf recommendations? I like fruity, flowery, and weird coffees btw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:08:16 2019 No.13398164 I'm fucking tired of hand grinding. Is there a good guide for electrical grinders? I'm prepared to dump 200-300 bucks if the quality matches.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:09:15 2019 No.13398167 >>13398164 read the thread

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:22:59 2019 No.13398235

>>13398164
What hand grinder are you using? Cuz if it’s a shitty Hario or Porlex or something then maybe what you hate isn’t hand grinders, but *shitty* hand grinders. What are you gonna be brewing? Cuz if it’s espresso then that’s basically its own separate category of grinder. If it’s drip only, then you might wanna look at something with ghost tooth burrs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:30:18 2019 No.13398269 >>13398164 Probably this. >>13398235 I got an Aergrind ~3 days ago and it's a joy to use compared to the Javapresse clone I had before. You won't mind 20 seconds of hand grinding with actually decent tools, trust me.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:30:51 2019 No.13398271

>>13398167
never
>>13398235
it's a Hario. Nothing wrong with the quality, I'm just over hand-cranking the thing everytime I want to make a cup of coffee. I'm doing pretty much everything except espresso, I'm leaving that for the professionals.

That being said, if there's no immediate go-to guide/resource I can make the effort of doing the research by myself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:31:54 2019 No.13398280 >>13398164 >>13398235 Or just get whatever's in your budget here: https://www.baratza.com/shop/refurb

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:39:19 2019 No.13398297

>>13398271
>Hario
>Nothing wrong with the quality
Hooo boy okay. Read this:
>>13398269
>>13392772

You get MUCH better grind for the money with a manual grinder than you do an electric. And a good manual grinder is fast. My kinu m47 EASILY grinds 14 grams of light roast Ethiopian beans at Moka pot fineness in like 15-20 seconds. And those beans are dense little fucks.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 18:53:21 2019 No.13398347

>>13398269
>Javapresse clone
Oh god. Yeah before getting something decent I was stuck with choosing between a blade grinder or a hilariously shitty rhinowares hand grinder. I got a timemore slim s and that was miles better. But soon after, I gave it to a family member in a country with virtually no way of getting good coffee gear. That was a hard decision man. Then I got a Kinu Traveler, which was much better than the Timemore. But then I returned it and got the M47 classic instead, because that’s what I really wanted, and the traveler felt like too much of a compromise compared to the original. And HOLY FUCK THIS THING IS NICE.

I thought the Traveler was well built but the classic feels like it was made by Rolex or something. It’s also easier to grind and has a better capacity and adjustment mechanism and perhaps slightly better grind quality.

Anyway, yeah you’re right. And desu going from an Aergrind or a Kinu and possibly even a timemore to a $200 electric would be a downgrade.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:25:07 2019 No.13398457 >>13397980 I'm gonna try it tomorrow morning, may as well use it for what it's for. It seems just weird enough to make a good cup. What should I try it with? I've got some fruity stuff, a solid medium roast.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:46:20 2019 No.13398537

>>13398457
Wait, you got a kasuya v60 and HAVEN’T been using the kasuya method with it? Also fuck yeah use the fruity stuff

And yeah, I have noticed that sometimes weird shit that shouldn’t work somehow ends up making magically good coffee. But if it’s weird or whatever, it’ll almost never be consistent.

So the other week we had some sursprisingly lame Yirgacheffe and my mom somehow made a cup that fucking tasted like freshly baked blueberry muffins.

She used an inverted Aeropress, 16g of coffee ground at the coarser end of the v60 range (5.5.3 on a kinu traveler) poured in 80g water, stirred “until I can see the bubbles”, poured in more water to 200g, pressed it, added 50g water to the finished cup...

>tfw she didn’t time a goddamn thing.

Also, the water she used was a mix of the brew water I mention here >>13390628 and an unknown amount of reverse osmosis water.

I tried for days to replicate that cup but it just wasn’t possible. I wonder if the kasuya method is that same kind of inconsistent.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:51:56 2019 No.13398559 How the fuck do i get a grinder that can do espresso grinds without spending over $1000USD. Why are they all made with cheap plastic burrs or shitty motors!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 19:53:56 2019 No.13398570 >>13397951 Depends on what you mean by good. For gas station coffee (aka the lowest of the low), it's god tier especially since the price is low too. I'd rather have it than Starbucks, but that's not saying much.

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 20:03:40 2019 No.13398606

>>13398570
What's everyone's opinion on McDonald's and 7/11 coffee? In a bang for your buck sense.
I'm of the opinion that for $1.5, you'll be very hard pressed to find anything better than a drip at 7/11 and the same for a $3 latte from McDonald's.
It's not the "best" coffee by any means, but at that price, it's really not that bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 20:28:31 2019 No.13398702 >>13398537 Honestly I mostly bought it for its style but I'll try that Yirg I got the other day

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 20:42:59 2019 No.13398750 >>13398559 Get a niche zero or a Baratza sette or a Kinu hand grinder or a refurbished Baratza forte or make a Bunnzilla or try not being retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 21:37:12 2019 No.13398924 Is a Flair worth the trouble for an espresso novice, or should I be looking for a semi-automatic machine instead?

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 22:01:38 2019 No.13399031

>>13398924
Get a cafelat robot. Way, WAY better workflow than a flair. And apparently, damn good coffee. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=11ZSXVZbQbA James Hoffman likes it. And he’s a picky motherfucker. At $380 you’d probably have to spend a shitload more money to equal its quality in a semiauto machine. https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/cafelat/robot-barista-green-cafel-pp

Here’s a looooong ass thread about it in HB: https://www.home-barista.com/levers/cafelat-robot-user-experience-t54550.html

I haven’t got one (yet) but goddamn do I want one

Anonymous Sat Dec 21 22:34:45 2019 No.13399165
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>>13398606
That sounded wrong to me so I did some (probably correct) math based on my setup for pour overs:

>$344 Kinu M47
>$8.75 V60
>$149 Stagg EKG
>$30.69 Jennings cj-4000 scale

So the cost of that gear over five years is $0.205309589041096 per day.

So... if you pay $18 for 12oz of coffee, a 21 gram pour over will cost $1.111130707772631 in beans.
And at $10.72 for 200 v60 filters on Amazon, you pay 0.0536 per filter.
Added to the 21 grams of beans, it’ll cost $1.164730707772631 per coffee, not counting the cost of the equipment.

Add in the daily cost of the equipment and... At $18/12oz beans, it’s $1.37 if one cup/day. 3/day is $1.23. 6/day is $1.20.

But what about different coffee prices?

>$25/12oz of beans is $1.80 per coffee if 1 cup/day
>$18/12oz of beans is $1.37 per coffee if 1 cup/day
>$16/lb of beans is $1.00 per coffee if 1 cup/day
>$10/lb of beans is $0.72 per coffee if 1 cup/day

Of course, the more coffee you drink the less you pay per cup since you’re splitting up the equipment cost. And I didn’t factor in utilities since I can’t be bothered, and you’re paying for that shit anyway.

Man... doing this made me feel like a cheap cunt for not wanting to pay more than $16/lb for coffee lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 21 22:36:16 2019 No.13399172 >>13398606 >>13399165 So I guess my opinion is that it’s not only dogshit, it’s fucking overpriced dogshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 05:50:58 2019 No.13400209 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 05:55:55 2019 No.13400221 >>13398164 You can pretend that italian is the only good grinder, but I have a breville smart grinder I bought for 176 bucks and it grinds fine and reliable. I don't know what they cost 6 years later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 06:01:10 2019 No.13400236 File: 255 KB, 1600x1200, coffee2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13398164 This grinder can do turkish.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 10:30:04 2019 No.13400766 Bump

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 10:36:04 2019 No.13400783

>>13349553
>"general thread"
The newfag plebbitors attempt to adapt to an imageboard. If you don't like the layout, just go home. >>>/r/eddit

General threads always turn into circle-jerks, no matter what their original intention is. The point of an imageboard is to discuss topics as they come to mind, not to have a bunch of permanent sub-discussions going on. That's why it's designed without the ability to create "sub-boards" (like some sites >>>/r/eddit) So if you want to have a place where you can create little sub-circle-jerks you should go to the ones that exist instead of trying to turn 4chan into that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 13:32:41 2019 No.13401488 File: 14 KB, 642x427, sbaitsowo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] @13400783

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 13:33:54 2019 No.13401493 >>13400783 so which poster are you? the angry energy drink guy or the angry guy that was told to read the thread instead of being spoon fed answers that have been addressed 100 times?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 22 15:56:48 2019 No.13402246 What's a good standalone milk frother?

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 16:04:41 2019 No.13402268
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Is there such a thing as good decaf coffee? I like the taste of coffee but not the jitters.

Anonymous Sun Dec 22 22:07:25 2019 No.13403728

>>13402268
There's some good decaf out there, yeah. https://www.mistobox.com/shop?decaf=true
https://www.drinktrade.com/coffee/decaf
Fresh Roasted Coffee LLC also has a bunch of decafs, but they all sound boring. I tried their decaf ethiopian, monsooned indian, and sumatran coffees and the ethiopian was disappointing and didn't taste like much to me. The sumatra tasted like... well, like a standard sumatran coffee. Sort of earthy, spices, low acidity, and while hot, a hint something that reminded me of banana chips. Slightly sweet. A sort of velvety mouthfeel, kind of like metal filtered aeropress or french press but without being silty or anything. It mostly tasted like a nice classic coffee.

The monsooned indian decaf was fucking weird. ZERO acidity or bitterness, and it tasted earthy, almost musky, and rather like arugula. Dark green. Maybe the weirdest coffee Ive tried so far. I liked it quite a bit.

Merit coffee makes my favorite decaf so far. Tastes like strawberries and a bit of allspice.

But it's harder to find interesting decafs than it is regular coffee. Seems like everyone wants boring decaf.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:12:02 2019 No.13404097 >>13349726 Just buy them in bulk. They're coffee for suffering time not for enjoyment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:57:01 2019 No.13404248 >>13402246 What kind of dipshit would buy a 'stand alone' milk frother when all the guts of an espresso machine are about making water hot and steamy? Are you stupid?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 00:59:58 2019 No.13404255 File: 22 KB, 466x429, 81WyD748HfL._SX466_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13349726 Toss the fucking thing out, you pussy and get a stainless drip through. Stop being a child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 01:05:37 2019 No.13404275 >generally buy my coffee online >the bell on the front door breaks >landlord refuses to fix it >delivery man too stupid to get inside >have to buy coffee from the grocery store >it tastes like piss >why

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 01:12:19 2019 No.13404301

>>13404275
I have a burr grinder and I buy shitty grocery store lavazza oro beans, use a stainless drip through, and it's the best coffee you'll ever taste.

Assholes that tell you you need to manage your own "blend" and watch the "roast" are assholes. Just buy the fucking beans and enjoy your coffee.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 02:20:32 2019 No.13404595 >>13404248 If you had a manual machine like a Flair or a Cafelat Robot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 03:31:23 2019 No.13404769 >>13404301 The sheer ignorance radiating off of this post is astounding. I'm actually at a loss for words here, I really have no idea how to even respond to something this stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 03:32:26 2019 No.13404772 >>13404595 Why would you buy a manual machine and a separate milk frother when you could just buy an entry level automatic like a Gaggia or something for the same price?

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 07:11:01 2019 No.13405280

>>13404769
When someone types like this, they obviously don't know a goddamn thing and can't respond. Try being more emphatic, with even less information about what you recommend, you can't even do it. You dull fucking moronic cunt. You know you're a cunt, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 07:47:18 2019 No.13405362 >>13404769 Where'd you go, shit for brains? I want to hear more of your nothing coming out of your nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 10:17:29 2019 No.13405776 File: 115 KB, 1000x555, B80F4F3D-523B-4FE5-A681-67D9574B809B.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13405362 >>13405280

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:36:02 2019 No.13406021

>>13405280
>>13405362
What is this even supposed to mean? A "no u" argument? When people say nonsensical shit like "Assholes that tell you you need to manage your own "blend" and watch the "roast" are assholes" it's obvious that they have no idea what they're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:42:11 2019 No.13406039 >>13406021 Do you even know what coffee is? You just sound like a dumb cunt. If i burr grinded up a bunch of beans from lavazza and you spit that brew out, You'd be a stupid prick. Are you stupid prick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:49:32 2019 No.13406067 >>13406021 where'd you go, shit person?

Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:53:35 2019 No.13406079

>>13406067
Sorry, I don't sit here refreshing the page over and over so that I can shitpost autistic nonsense. I'm not going to be responding any further anyways, since you've outed yourself as a braindead retard. You're probably that same autist that chimps out in every fucking coffee thread. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:54:06 2019 No.13406081 >>13406021 where'd you go, shitty?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:55:58 2019 No.13406091 >>13406079 what a fucking child. I honestly don't give a fuck about coffee, but you just sounded like the kind of cunt that needed to be addressed. So enjoy 'going away' you fucking kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 11:57:22 2019 No.13406095 >>13405280 >>13405362 >>13406081 >>13406091 This is like robustanigger all over again holy shit hahahaha

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:00:18 2019 No.13406103 >>13406095 nigger. you're so classy It makes me want to dress up. Go kill your self. And I'm not joking, pills, rope, gas, go die some where we don't hear about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:04:28 2019 No.13406116 >>13406095 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:16:25 2019 No.13406154 >>13406095 Where'd you go, you human mistake?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 12:43:13 2019 No.13406279 >>13406095 Not him, but do we have something against robusta beans around here? Just got into enthusiast coffee so I wasn't lurking up until recently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 14:45:04 2019 No.13406706 >>13406279 Short answer: no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:12:23 2019 No.13407707 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 19:29:23 2019 No.13407759 >>13406279 Not particularly, no

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 23 23:09:00 2019 No.13408440 >>13378838 Are people actually taking shots of olive oil?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:08:11 2019 No.13408868 >>13408440 That sounds like a good idea. I hope they do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 02:47:19 2019 No.13408977 Is Bodum overpriced plastic or is it actually somewhat decent for basic daily coffee making

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 03:01:59 2019 No.13409018 >>13408977 Don't buy that shit, get a goddamn stainless drip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 07:55:01 2019 No.13409582 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 09:48:45 2019 No.13409863 File: 2.47 MB, 3264x2448, DSC_2070.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let's calibrate the espresso

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:04:42 2019 No.13409924 File: 2.01 MB, 3264x2448, DSC_2072.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13409863 That tamp

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:11:41 2019 No.13409945 File: 2.55 MB, 3264x2448, DSC_2060.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13409924 47g shot using 85ml of water. Ran for 27 seconds. I'll reduce the coffee in the basket before adjusting the water volume

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:45:06 2019 No.13410054

>>13409945
So I reduced the grind time to 4.05 and the weight and run time of my shot remained the same.
Reduced grind time to 4.0 and again, remains the same.
Made the grind more coarse. Remained the same again.
Made one final adjustment to the grind run time and size of the grinds.
Finally had a 24 second shot that weighs a nice 44g. Nice smooth mouth feel and good notes of vanilla and honey

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:46:52 2019 No.13411265 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:15:50 2019 No.13411837 Can I get crema without an espresso machine? I imagine an aeropress would be the only solution but I read it's tricky and not really intended.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:07:38 2019 No.13412014 >>13411837 I don't think so. If it helps crema is pretty but doesn't taste too good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:10:26 2019 No.13412031 >>13412014 I'll take your word for it then and get a machine at some point to complement my pour-over setup. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:17:54 2019 No.13412056 >>13412031 The flair is the best decent and cheapest way to get into espresso.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:26:47 2019 No.13412463 >>13412056 Fuck off flair shill. Nobody wants to buy your stupid overpriced lever. Buy an actual machine if you want to make espresso.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:05:49 2019 No.13412559 >>13412463 Flairs are based. Hows that aeropress taste faggot?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:14:22 2019 No.13412582 >>13412559 >Hurrrr my $200 hunk of shit is BASED becuz I said so >How u like strawman faget? Again, fuck off shill.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 01:51:38 2019 No.13412809 File: 151 KB, 875x500, aeropress-feats-aeropress-11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13412582 mmmmmmmm

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 03:48:07 2019 No.13413030 Is a lido e-t worth getting for $150? Someone is selling a lightly used one near me and I might get into making pourovers with it if I get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:35:21 2019 No.13413577 Bump

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:39:55 2019 No.13413739 File: 230 KB, 1512x1512, 2019-12-25-10-35-26-738_compress54.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm being a degenerate and eating out on Christmas. The coffee is pretty good. Kinda fruity, and a little sweet with no bitterness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:37:04 2019 No.13413889 >>13413030 You can probably catch a used m47 phoenix for ~$20 more. I wouldn't rush into it. Lidos use junk bearings to align in a triton body. Don't pay a premium for cheap injection molding.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:39:29 2019 No.13413896

>>13399031
I was looking at the robot and flair for weeks comparing them. I'll take a slightly "worse" workflow for a WAY better positioned gauge(got the flair for a steal as well) Also anyone considering either, don't fuck yourself. Get the pressure gauge.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:00:58 2019 No.13413959 >>13411837 Uh no not really. You might be able to fake it using something like the stagg prismo or whatever for the Aeropress but you’re still not making espresso, and you’re still not getting real crema.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:03:22 2019 No.13413972 >>13412056 >>13412463 >>13412559 >>13412582 From what I’ve seen, flairs will make decent espresso but they’re a pain in the ass. The cafelat robot looks way better to me, but it’s like $380

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:07:15 2019 No.13413989

>>13413896
I would think that once you got a feel for things, the gauge wouldn’t matter as much. But then again I’m a lazy fuck and ease of use is a big deal to me so I’d rather have the robot personally, but either one will make good espresso and the flair’s much less expensive.

Right now I don’t have any espresso set up at all so I’m jelly regardless
>>13413889
This

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:11:06 2019 No.13413996 File: 1.80 MB, 400x225, 78DB0AA6-45E9-4C64-8A51-E3C1210488B1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Merry Christmas Anon Hope it’s a comfy one

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:12:45 2019 No.13414003
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Coffeefags are the most insufferable of the weird bunches.
I drink folgers decaf because fuck all the shit that comes with caffeine. It goes through a regular drip coffee machine into a thermal carafe so it stays hot for hours.
Eat shit but have a merry christmas

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:32:22 2019 No.13414065

>>13413972
I think them being a pain in the ass is EXTREMELY overstated by people who haven't used it. I can wake up grind 14g of beans, shit, shave, and come back to a boiling kettle. Preheat the cylinder, by the time its hit thermal equilibrium(~1m30s), I'm tamped and ready to go.

>>13413989
The entire point of manuals is to get pressure profiling cheap. Get the gauge. Bonus is the PGK comes with a stainless plunger rather than the original plastic.

>>>13414003
Most people take issue with this level of poverty in their lives. Do you drink out of an ozark trail yeti knockoff too?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 13:02:31 2019 No.13414141

>>13414003
I also try to drink more decaf than regular but I drink better stuff than Folgers. Merry Christmas

>>13414065
I use an ozark trail tumbler with a yeti magnet lid. Works pretty great. I don’t see the point in getting an actual yeti tumbler since it doesn’t perform any better. Their lids are the shit though.

Anyway why are you grinding your beans so far ahead of time? Are they like super fresh and you need to let them off gas CO2?

IMO the point in getting a manual machine isn’t cheap pressure profiling per se, but just cheap espresso period.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 13:40:31 2019 No.13414219

>>13414141
I'm not shaving or shitting every day. I'm just illustrating the biggest annoyance with the flair is letting your electric kettle come to boil, you can fill that time real easily. Its not that big of a deal. For $400 you can snag a machine that can do 2 to 12 bar and an m47 phoenix. Absolutely ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 13:44:23 2019 No.13414229 >>13395461 i'd be afraid of dropping one of those glass containers at the top...

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 16:38:11 2019 No.13414751 >>13349553 Got a Nespresso Espresso machine from my parents. How would you guys rate these machines?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 17:51:09 2019 No.13415076 espresso is for work brew is for home

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 18:28:26 2019 No.13415263 >>13412056 I woke up to a Flair for christmas and I think I'm an idiot because I cant get it to produce crema, only a very burnt tasting shot. I am coming from a >Mrcoffee so I dont know if I'm retarded or its my taste buds, please help

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 18:32:10 2019 No.13415275 >>13415263 Theres a bit more to brewing espresso; tamping, pressure, pre infusion, ect. I wouldn't get dismissed if you pull shitty shots in the beginning. Did you also get the pressure gage?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 18:43:40 2019 No.13415336

I'm a complete normalfag when it comes to coffee. Just got a Breville Barista Express like in the OP image. I can't get a decent extraction for my life.

Using the included grinder.

Black Rifle Coffee AK47 Espresso blend. Can't get any pressure during extraction. Turned the grind to the finest on the external setting. No real change. Turned the grind to the finest on the internal setting as well. Slight pressure, 14s extraction for a double shot. Switch to the double-wall pressure basket. Managed to get a little more pressure and extraction at 18s. I don't think there's anything else I can possibly do to increase the extraction time here, right?

As it's Christmas Day and we really want to at least see if the machine is capable of doing anything but underextraction, we sprint to the only open place and grab Starbucks' dark espresso blend.

At finest internal and finest external grind, we choke the machine at get an extraction like 47s for a double.

We backed the external grind one level and now we're getting 16s underextraction, sour as fuck.

What the hell do I need to do to make this machine work? Are there any beans that'd fucking work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:16:57 2019 No.13415479 >>13415336 Breville barista is a piece of shit. See >>13353537 >>13353461 TOLD YOU

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:17:31 2019 No.13415484

>>13415263
Okay well coming from the world of Mr. Coffee, first thing you need is a good grinder. Get a kinu m47 Phoenix. It’s the best, cheapest, espresso-capable grinder out there. It’s a $200 hand grinder but because of that it punches WAY above its weight class in terms of grind quality for the price. Or get a kinu m47 classic which is $344 but an absolutely god-tier hand grinder imo. The Phoenix apparently does very, very nearly as good a job though.

>>13414219
Yeah it’s insane value for money when you compare it to literally anything electric. You’d be hard pressed to really get a good espresso grinder for $400, nevermind a proper machine. To say nothing of a pressure profiling semi automatic.

>>13415336
Yeah that sounds more like grinder problems than bean problems to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:19:54 2019 No.13415491 File: 1.71 MB, 2880x2160, 20191225_144630[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13415484 Surely the grinder should be able to function.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:22:19 2019 No.13415507 File: 1.87 MB, 2880x2160, 20191225_144622[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13415491 Maybe not particularly well, but if it literally doesn't work, what's the point of having it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:23:07 2019 No.13415509 >>13415491 Stepped grinder. Low quality stepped grinder. No consistency and from 46s to 16s after one step tells you WHY it’s regarded a piece of shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:24:40 2019 No.13415519 >>13415507 >what's the point of having it People fall for the convenience factor easily and buy it without thinking

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:26:01 2019 No.13415526

>>13415491
I think you’re seriously underestimating the task of grinding for espresso. If you have a pressurized portafilter then you could use that as a crutch to compensate for your grinder until you get a good one. Those things are designed to make drinkable coffee from a shitty/incorrect grind size, by adding the pressure that the coffee puck can’t.

Get a kinu m47 Phoenix.

Btw everyone with new espresso gear should watch these:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lFwJF-_SUr0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1eK0eidOA_U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-BT7-yOUMDM

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:01:37 2019 No.13415669 >>13415336 >Black Rifle Coffee kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:21:56 2019 No.13415750 >>13415526 >kinu m47 Phoenix >200 bucks Jesus christ. And the cheap Javapress handheld grinder I have won't be good enough, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:23:06 2019 No.13415755 >>13415750 Do you not do research on anything before you buy it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:25:09 2019 No.13415763 >>13415755 The espresso machine was a household gift for christmas. The handheld grinder I have I purchased for french press coffee.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:26:37 2019 No.13415772 >>13415755 >>13415763 Not to mention every video I'm finding on this machine has no problem with using the grinder to get proper extractions with an unpressurized basket on normal settings.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:29:59 2019 No.13415779

>>13415275
No pressure gage. Got the Signature I believe. Ive been able to produce decent crema with my mr coffee somehow, I thought itd be easier with a technically better device
>>13415484
What is the difference between cheap burrs on Amazon and the phoenix? I dont mind a manual but I dont want to spend 200 on a grinder that has minimal difference with a comparable 50 dollar grinder

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:49:24 2019 No.13415849

>>13415779
>no pressure gage
Get the gage. Your going to want that to know how much pressure your applying to produce consistant shots. Its not too much to buy separate. They honestly shouldn't sell them without the gage.
>crema
Are you sure it was crema or froth? Also know how fresh roasted your beans are and if they are degassed play a big part. I wouldn't worry about getting crema too much.
>cheap burrs
The biggest thing is grind consistency. The expensive grinder will give you greater control over adjusting and will give consistant size particles. If your particles aren't uniform that is going to screw up the extraction. Too big of particles will yield sour brew, too fine bitter. Finding the sweet spot for a set of beans that are consistently ground is possible.

James Hoffman also reviews some hand grinders, flair and other coffee related stuff. Biggest thing is to not get discouraged cause your going to pull bad shots in the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 21:26:23 2019 No.13415966 >>13415849 Ill probably invest in the gage at some point. Theoretically if its all about grind consistancy, cant you acheive that by double grinding, or triple grinding til its all as even as possible?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 21:28:32 2019 No.13415976 >>13415966 I feel like that's just going to clog your grinder.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:23:59 2019 No.13416147

>>13415750
>And the cheap Javapress handheld grinder I have won't be good enough, right?
oh god no not for espresso
I have a $344 big brother of the phoenix and it's fucking exquisite btw.

>>13415779
>I dont mind a manual but I dont want to spend 200 on a grinder that has minimal difference with a comparable 50 dollar grinder
They're not remotely comparable. It's like the $50 Amazon grinder is a knockoff hotwheels toy while a Kinu is a Formula 1 racecar. Just one tiny example: the burrs on the cheap grinder are dull, and molded out of cheap ceramic. The kinu's burrs are machined out of steel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:25:16 2019 No.13416152 >>13415966 No, because it will reduce oversize particles, it will produce way more super fine particles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:27:12 2019 No.13416159 >>13416152 Should be >No, because even though it will reduce oversized particles, it will produce way more super fine particles. And those fines will fuck everything up.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:39:14 2019 No.13416190

>>13415849
>The biggest thing is grind consistency.
And for espresso, how fine your grinder can go while producing consistent particle sizes, AND how precisely you can adjust the distance between the burrs. Because a tiny difference in grind size when making espresso will make a big difference in terms of the flavor. So if your grinder can only adjust in big steps, and step 1 is too fine and chokes your machine, while step 2 is too coarse and gushes, it doesn't matter how consistent your grinder is. You're still fucked if you can't adjust it to the right spot.

That's why you need a grinder that's both very consistent, and very finely adjustable to make espresso. The kinu has stepless adjustment that makes little clicks as you turn the adjuster knob. Each of those little clicks equals a 0.01mm change in burr distance/grind size. And in case that's somehow too much, you can always adjust between the clicks since it's stepless.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:54:08 2019 No.13416250

>>13416147
>>13415526
>>13415509
For the hell of it, I took the starbucks beans and ran them through my cheap javapress. 18g of beans in, ground, tamped, and then pulled a double shot. It got up to the appropriate pressure and took about 27s to pull.

If this shitty hand grinder is better than the built-in one, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:00:10 2019 No.13416267
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I knew my kinu shilling months ago would pay off.

>>13415779
PGK is the way to go. It swaps out the plastic plunger for a stainless steel ring. I've got the original signature(old narrower portafilter) and the phoenix. Your christmas present effectively cut the route to proper, tasty espresso in half. After the grinder, all of your budget goes to beans. You won't upgrade to a "better" espresso machine, just a potentially more convenient one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:23:02 2019 No.13416346 File: 6 KB, 448x357, fd797456045614a4ff3e3a9042d51d4de1431fa6d5802d208104d6a6a7638ea8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13416250 >If this shitty hand grinder is better than the built-in one, I'm gonna be pretty disappointed. F

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:24:35 2019 No.13416351

>>13416346
It didn't taste very good, but just getting to "up to pressure, around the usual time to pull" is a fucking miracle.

And making me very disappointed. Wondering if I should convince everyone to return this thing and get one that doesn't waste money on a shitty grinder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:46:10 2019 No.13416418 >>13416351 You can literally get a Gaggia Classic, an actual espresso machine, for the same price as that piece of shit. You have to buy your own grinder, but you should already be doing that anyways.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:52:57 2019 No.13416434 File: 2.00 MB, 200x200, 1542427804518.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13416351 Wow. >return this thing and get one that doesn't waste money on a shitty grinder. I would.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:54:27 2019 No.13416438 >>13416418 https://www.amazon.com/Gaggia-RI9380-46-Espresso-Stainless/dp/B07RQ3NL76 This thing?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:58:56 2019 No.13416449

>see espresso shop open
>2.25 for 4 shots of black espresso
>god damn that's amazing
>always tip a dollar because prices are nice and the baristas are kind
>walk there every day when I wake up, maybe get one of their homemade muffins for 2 dollars
>walk there one day
>4 shots of espresso for 3 dollars
>o-ok, I'll get a muffin
>3 dollar muffins now
>go there about 4 times a week now
>fast forward to last week, 3 shots of espresso for 3.75
>muffins are 4 bucks

GOD. FUCKING. DAMNIT. It was too good to be true.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:59:50 2019 No.13416452 >>13416438 https://youtu.be/LeqGtnC9ntw These guys who seem to know what they're talking about like it a lot and say that it's one of the best entry level espresso options

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:31:54 2019 No.13416520 >>13416418 If you're not willing to put in $150 in mods,rip it open and void the warranty immediately, just get a flair or robot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:33:32 2019 No.13416523 >>13416520 What do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:51:38 2019 No.13416562 >>13416520 That go for the new model or just the old one?

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:52:34 2019 No.13416566

>>13416523
https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/35036-links-to-various-mods-for-gaggia-classic/

Its not that good of a machine out of the box. You'll want a full pid rebuild kit like mr shades used to offer. You'll also need to mod the opv which means you need to build a pressure gauge. It adds up.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 01:15:47 2019 No.13416651

>>13416351
Get a robot or a flair. If you wanted to do milk drinks you'd need a separate steamer. You'll probably be better off with a flair or robot than an entry level single boiler espresso machine. If you're making espresso for multiple people consecutively, then the robot looks like it'll be a little easier to use than the flair, but either will make good espresso.

Then, down the road, if you decide you need to "upgrade" to an electric that's more convenient, get a Brevile dual boiler or something for ~$1.2K. It probably won't make "better" espresso than a flair or robot, it'll just be a little easier to use (maybe) and faster to consecutively pull shots and steam milk.

But you'll still keep your flair or robot as either a backup or travel machine or just cuz you like it. If you get an entry level gaggia or whatever, once you upgrade, you'll have no use for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 01:17:25 2019 No.13416657 File: 38 KB, 720x502, 1569134387070.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I make dark coffee taste good

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 01:24:50 2019 No.13416684

>>13416657
>dark coffee
>taste good
You're going to need to elaborate significantly if you want anyone to actually help you. What advice are you expecting to get from such a retarded statement? What do you think would happen if I went into a thread on /o/ and said "How do I make my car go fast?" I would get called a fucking retard and get told to kill myself, and rightfully so, because what I just said was retarded. Try reformatting your question to not be retarded and maybe we can help you.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 01:35:58 2019 No.13416727

>>13416657
>dark coffee

You mean a dark roast? Step one is buy better beans.

Failing that:

Try under extracting it somewhat and see if that tastes any better. I updose, grind coarser, and (sometimes) use cooler brewing water. I normally use boiling water for pourover (~210-211 at my altitude) so for charred-ass dark roasts I'll sometimes use 200 or 206. As a last resort, you can add cream and/or sugar/sweetener if you're able to do that sort of thing. (I can't for dietary reasons.)

Or you could make it as cold brew.

Personally, I don't like many dark roasted coffees so I try to avoid them. I wrote this assuming your taste in coffee somewhat approximates my own and you don't like one-note, charred, bitter coffee.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 01:42:45 2019 No.13416753

>>13416727
>Step one is buy better beans.
By that I'm not saying don't buy dark roast coffee, just that you should buy dark roasts that actually taste good to you. Many dark roasts taste bad to me, but some are rather nice. Also, dark roasted coffee has a more porous, fucked up structure than lighter roasted coffee because it took more damage in the roaster. Because of that, it has weaker cell walls. And in my experience, that means it stales faster, and produces more fines. Also, it seems like dark roasts have more static for some reason... Maybe lower moisture content?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 02:26:14 2019 No.13416885 >>13416562 As far as I'm aware, ALL of them. https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/47816-adjustable-opv-mod-for-gaggia-classic-20182019-is-this-worth-it/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 03:04:14 2019 No.13416968 >>13416885 o shit son

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 05:59:47 2019 No.13417265

>>13416684
How do I make dark roast taste good with a French press?

>>13416727
I bought some local beans, but they're barely better than buying drive-through coffee; maybe just less "burnt at the bottom" taste. Drinkable, but not actually tasty by itself. I'm a coffee newfag too, only just started brewing at home and not a regular drinker. Though, I'm trying to avoid spending like $18/lb on coffee.

Probably will go back and get another variety to compare, and fiddle with my method. I did around 28 on my Encore, added water, brewed 4m, and slowly pressed.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 07:27:50 2019 No.13417417

>>13417265
>How do I make dark roast taste good with a French press?
Dark roasts suck and I don't like them.
That being said I'd do the inverse of what >>13416727 recommends. Grind finer and brew slightly shorter, the coffee is always going to be one note and charred. Underexctracting to make it taste more like a medium roast isn't going to help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 10:23:24 2019 No.13417727 >>13416753 This. Dark roasts are pretty much universally bad for flavor, but some nail the rest. I've had dark roasts that could be enjoyed with no sugar. The problem is most can't be enjoyed because there's not a lot left to the bean.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 12:01:22 2019 No.13417961

>>13417265
>I'm trying to avoid spending like $18/lb on coffee.
Try happymug, RhoadsRoast, fresh roasted coffee llc, and compelling coffee. Once you find something you like, buy in bulk and freeze it in one-week portions.

Also look around for local roasters. Some of them might have good prices on good coffee.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 12:04:04 2019 No.13417968 >>13417265 >French press https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=st571DYYTR8

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 13:27:32 2019 No.13418249 Hey new flair guy, Make sure you're keeping your orings lubed. Really helps with longevity of them. Superlube ptfe grease. Food Grade. Just a little smear on your plunger orings every month or so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 14:44:00 2019 No.13418560 >>13418556 >>13418556 New thread

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 16:44:29 2019 No.13418961

>>13417265
>some local beans
Again, you're going to have to elaborate. Different beans taste better when brewed through different methods. e.g. a fruity and acidic African coffee is going to taste weird in a French press, and should be brewed using a filter method.

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