/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.13073616]

Going to see a GI specialist this week but I'm pretty positive I have either UC or Crohn's.
Pretty fucking bummed about it because I'm probably gonna have to cut out a lot of my favorite comfort foods to avoid shitting my guts out for weeks at a time.

I want to stay positive and think, well at least this will incentivize me to eat healthier. I can't imagine having to live without spicy food though...this shit is bleak.

[Anonymous No.13073628]

>>13073616
By any chance do you take xanax or prozac or other psychoactive medication? These notoriously give people IBS, Crohn's, etc. And not a single person who takes these demonic "medicines" will, in my experience, even entertain the notion of weaning themselves off these horrific drugs.

[Anonymous No.13073644]

>>13073628
Yeah I've been on Prozac, Zoloft, and most recently Effexor. Stopped taking Effexor a couple of weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.13073680]

>>13073644
I knew it.

Sorry they did this to you. If I were you, I would make the prescribing physician watch while I raped and murdered his entire family, pets, and livestock to death in horribly painful ways. Then I would repeat the process with the pharma salesgirl, pharma distributor, and pharma company board of executives. All in minecraft, of course.

It is too late to save your shattered GI tract but it is not too late for vengeance, assuming you wear adult diapers when you go operational. Godspeed, anon.

[Anonymous No.13073694]

>>13073616
>Pretty fucking bummed about it
Lmao you can say that again.

If you're lucky low doses of immunosuppressant like azathioprine can fix everything. 'been skipping out on mine but alcohol and/or meditation seems to work just as well.

>>13073628
Heh, strange thing you mention that, because that's exactly how I develloped my Crohn's. I've long since been off the meds, but the Crohn's still there.

[Anonymous No.13073719]

>>13073644
Enjoy your colostomy bag. Why the fuck did you let those kickback receiving medfags get you addicted to those psychoactive drugs, retard?
>muh medfag uses latin vocabulary
>he's a god

[Anonymous No.13073734]

>>13073719
Shrinks don't give a single fuck about the horrific side effects of these demonic "medicines" they Rx. Wrecked your GI tract? So sad, too bad, call a gastroenterologist because that ain't my problem? Had a bad reaction and shot up a middle school? Call the cops, not my problem.

[Anonymous No.13073783]

>>13073734
It all makes sense when you know all the shrinks are basically rejects who couldn't make it to surgeon or radiologist, but also don't care enough to become actual doctors. It's the bottom of the barrel.

[Anonymous No.13073815]

>>13073783
It is infuriating that they have given so many people GI tract issues that never get better. Like with accountants, when they screw up royally or do unethical shot, it creates more business and revenue for their guild.

[Anonymous No.13073851]

>>13073616
I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis when i was 21 (almost 29 now) and suffered with it until I was 25.5. I cured it along with my lactose intolerance (which I had since I was 11). If you would like any information on how I did it I can help you with my experience and advice. Same is true of the medication that they dish out, though I only took one suppository, which gave me pancreatitis. After that they offered me an oral medication that 1/400 people got cancer from. I said no and haven't been to a doctor since.

I'll tell you right now too, that my cure was cutting all grains of every kind from my diet (not carbs, still ate potatoes) as well as removing myself from a vegan diet.

I am not a troll and I am not a shitposter. You have options, you must put forward effort and try. What I just said above about no grains may not be a solution for you, but you may as well try.

Will watch thread and post funny gifs.

>>13073680
I am not aware of these medications affecting the gut, but they may, I just don't know. You should be looking to get off of them immediately, anti depressants and SSRIs should not be consumed. Really upset to see people shitting on you, I was in your boat once too, where I trusted docs completely. You are taught to, but now you can learn.

[Anonymous No.13073911]

>>13073851
I have not run any studies but in my (non-medical) line of work I noticed that damn near everybody who complained of GI tract issues was on, or had previously been on, xanax or prozac or something like them. It became something we joked about at the office. There is definitely something going on with these "medicines" and the recent surge in these colitis diagnoses etc.

[Anonymous No.13073979]

>>13073851
Yeah I'm definitely gonna be open to a lot of trial and error as far as figuring out what foods will work with me.
I haven't received any medications other than antibiotics to rule out some sort of infection (it's not).

These other posters seem to be going in a little too hard on demonizing shrinks and antidepressants (which isn't particularly helpful at this point because I've already been in and out of the system since 17 lmao)

Thanks for the support.

[Anonymous No.13074011]

>>13073628
geez I had no idea this could happen
thanks for the post ill steer clear of those

[Anonymous No.13074025]

>>13073979
Yeah I would what >>13073851 says. First try cutting out things at steps. Maybe try cutting out gluten. Then try cutting out grains at all. Then maybe try cutting out starch. Dairy, meat, seeds, nuts etc. etc. step by step.

But yeah, most often some sort of carbs or dairy products are the "devil" in these kinds of situation.

[Anonymous No.13074026]

>>13073644
>actually taking antidepressants
retard no

[Anonymous No.13074046]

>>13074025
These are all normal categories of uncontroversial foods.

The "devil" is whatever mysterious mechanism wrecked so many people's GI tracts. As detailed in my posts above, I have determined that devil to be these psychoactive "medicines" and the reckless shrinks who Rx them.

[Anonymous No.13074080]

>>13074026
Not him but personally, I didn't get a say, it was either come each month to get my shot or be forced into a mental institution. Luckily the secretary fucked up and somehow I ended up out of the system, never been better since.

[Anonymous No.13074102]

>>13074046
Yeah that may be true, but nevertheless, the damage is done, and it's done, specific foods are bad for you, and that's why you need to find out which.
Also maybe his state wasn't caused by the medicine, which I don't believe though in this case.

[Anonymous No.13074110]

>>13074080
Oof, sorry dude

[Anonymous No.13074129]

>>13073911
I've not done any studies with their relation to digestion, but they fuck up enough other systems to be a red flag. I was taking ibuprofen when diagnosed which didn't help at all.


>>13073979
Well look at it this way. What part of your body is fucked up? Your digestive system. Shrinks/natropaths and all that stuff will talk about diet being the primary factor for all sorts of problems, I would advocate this too, but no doctor questioned my diet substantially when I was diagnosed, no effort was put in. Your system that you eat with is hurt, so change what you are eating. It may not be your diet, but you can control your diet, do not feel helpless, you can try things. Antidepressants are very harmful, I would never advocate for them, but if someone is addicted to them or relying on them, it is not helpful to insult them, they are a victim.

>>13074025
The most basic diet is the best for a while. When I was ill, I couldn't do dairy. For me, as I said I was vegan initially, I went to a pescitarian diet at 21 and did that until 25.5 where I started to eat some more meats. When I was 27 I bought a hog from a local farmer and ate pork, eggs and greens for three months. One week into that diet my lactose intolerance was gone and I can now eat any dairy I want to.My UC has never come back, and I now eat grains and sugars again.

Hard nos for testing my advice are all sugars, keep sugar intake below 5 grams a day if possible, and no grains. Corn, rice, wheat, even the meme ones like that one South American one that's new. No soy. No canola oil.

Regenerative foods for your gut are animal broths (Gelatin made from animal bones is good for you). There are anti inflammatory options too from essential oils and incorporating herbs like thyme and rosemary into your diet.

[Anonymous No.13074137]

>>13073979
You say we go in a little too hard but wearing depends for 40+ years strikes me as hard. Client after client of mine complains of Crohn's and IBS etc. I eventually realize they are either females who have borne children or females and males who have a history with prozac or xanax etc. Am I supposed to NOT shout it from the rooftops? I am the guy above who asked OP if he had ever taken these types of "meds" and sure enough, he did.

When something like this keeps fucking happening, people notice patterns. So if I am going in hard then so be it.

[Anonymous No.13074138]

>>13073616
Damn. Just my breakfast alone fits into all these categories.

[Anonymous No.13074145]

>>13074046
What do you mean by normal categories of uncontroversial foods? In my understanding and research, eating glyphosates (from GMO grains) and not eating gut regenerative foods lead to candida and harmful bacteria lining your intestines, and you body is unable to rid it. I am assuming OP's gut is filled to the brim with hostile stuff, he/she needs to stop feeding the bad bacteria before it does more damage. Likely, they will be so addicted to sugars/grains and technically carbs, that they will struggle to refrain from gorging on them for a few days while the candida die.

>>13074102
Damage can be reversed. Extreme UC cannot, but if this person is posting that they -think- they have it and didn't go to ER because they prolapsed a shredded colon they are probably in early onset stages that can be corrected through dietary changes. I might be wrong, of course, but I like to be hopeful.

[Anonymous No.13074151]

>>13074137
I'm taking your input with a grain of salt solely based on the fact that you lump SSRIs and benzos together in the same category

[Anonymous No.13074158]

>>13074145
And to clarify, it isn't the bad bacteria doing the damage. The bad bacteria lining your gut and intestines and colon are attacked by your immune system, causing your body to damage itself because the bacteria and shit is cloying within you. That's why your immune system is fucked and inflamed, that is why for me, I believe attacking the bacteria that thrived on sugars and grains saved me.

[Anonymous No.13074164]

>>13074158
Would it be a good idea to start eating more probiotics? Yogurt and fermented foods and whatnot?

[Anonymous No.13074171]

>>13074164
Yes, but also prebiotics which are even more important. Lots of fresh greens and veggies, some fruit, some berries.

[Anonymous No.13074187]

>>13074151
None of that shit should be ingested by a human being. If one is depressed, one should contemplate the miserable shit that our ancestors endured, culminating in painful deaths at insanely early ages.

I already proudly stated I am in a non-medical profession. I noticed these patterns during long years of talking to working adults struggling with disabling health conditions. I neither know nor care what an ssri or a "benzo" is, specifically. What I DO know is that prozac and xanax are named in 70% or more of colitis, IBS, or Crohn's cases my clients encounter.

[Anonymous No.13074203]

>>13074187
>I'm not in a medical profession
>but I'll happily hand out medical advice like an expert
Fuck off. I feel sorry for your clients having to deal with such a clueless retard and probably fucking them up even worse.

[Anonymous No.13074205]

>>13074164
Well like I said, when I started out and had bad UC (I say bad because it was a constant pain in my life, but compared to other UCs I caught it early and just the lower parts of my colon were effected. My advice is worthless in serious situations with the disease as medical intervention would be needed).So for me, it just made each trip to the bathroom way worse. in the long run, yes, you do want probiotics, and things like unpasteurized sauerkraut and other at home fermented vegetables are options if dairy bothers you. Because it worked for me, I would say no to the dairy while doing no grains/sugars, but you are obviously free to test out what works for you.

Over the counter probiotic pills are whatnot are typically shit, and a waste of money. Good bacteria from food and nutrients from food always obliterate supplements.

>>13074187
Big agree on people never taking these things. If you are sad, it is for a reason. If things are hard, you have to make changes or the people around you must help you. It has been many years since I read about the differences in depth. SSRI deal with your ability to process serotonin, and fucks with your emotions. Anti Anxiety meds do something else - xanax put me to sleep for the whole day and I can't remember anything, and SSRI's numbed me up completely emotionally.

[Anonymous No.13074210]

>>13074145
Bread is literally the staff of life. That is grains. Meat and dairy are the other mainstays of the human diet, starting in infancy.

I can see seeds or nuts inflaming somebody with diverticulitis, perhaps, but if you are trying to claim that grain, meat, and dairy are "controversial" then you are just wrong.

[Anonymous No.13074212]

>>13074205
Couldn't remember*
Havent had either type of med since I was 22

[Anonymous No.13074218]

>>13074203
I get my clients money, often staggering amounts, you dirty prozac addict pillpopping moron.

[Anonymous No.13074241]

>>13074210
I wasn't suggesting that at all. Bread requires you to look up glyphosates, which have been talked about a lot lately. Unless you are growing grains yourself or know an Amish family or group doing it, you are consuming grains that are tainted with gut damaging chemicals. This has been in the news a lot. I am also not stating that anyone who eats grains is going to get UC, it has to do with other problems and deficiencies working with the negative chemicals in grains. It's complicated and that is why there is a lot of division and shit flinging.

I said nothing bad about meat, and mentioned in another post animal stocks and gelatin are amazing healers for damaged guts. Dairy, as I stated in my other posts, gave my own digestive system (which was compromised) trouble. You want to keep things simple while you fix a damaged gut. Dairy is difficult for most people, maybe not for you, but you also sound like you have had a good gut your whole life.

As for allergies, I was allergic to shellfish, that went away as did my seasonal allergies when I did three months of no grains or sugar. All my auto immune disorders disappeared totally.

Someone with a fucked up body can't digest everything someone else can properly, and they need to fix it in different ways a lot of the time. That is one reasons blanket 'take x med' solutions for 100 people doesnt help all of those people (or any, in my opinion, when concerning digestive health there are no meds I would take. Only foods and diet changes.)

[Anonymous No.13074254]

>>13073616
Fuck I like everything on that list

[Anonymous No.13074261]

>>13073628
>These notoriously give people IBS, Crohn's, etc
This is completely false.

[Anonymous No.13074267]

>>13074164
>needs to eat probiotics
Virgin detected

[Anonymous No.13074274]

>>13074241
Glyphosates have been in the news because one law firm in one jurisdiction was able to convince one jury that glyphosates were maybe harmful to one person. Just because a jury (a panel of everyday rubes) is duped into ruling a certain way does not mean they were right. Indeed, they are often very, very wrong.

Same thing with talc. Talc is inert dust, but a clever lawyer convinced a jury somewhere that it gave some bitch ovarian cancer so here come the class action commercials on every TV in America.

[Anonymous No.13074280]

>>13074261
Have you even read the thread? Did you notice I was 100% right about OP?

[Anonymous No.13074283]

>>13074267

[Anonymous No.13074312]

>>13074274
>please believe my editorialized take, i have no skin in the game, sir
Cringe

[Anonymous No.13074319]

I didn't take antidepressants until a year after my ulcerative colitis diagnosis. I started needing them since the thought of shitting my pants kept me housebound. Zoloft helped and when I got off it during a remission (no symptoms) nothing really changed so I was relieved to feel that I could manage with one less pill. I ended up in a flare after some time and began taking Zoloft again. I'm not going to argue causation since it's just not true in my case. My diagnosis precedes ssri usage. Not surprised that many UC patients use antipsychotics though considering the hell this disease puts you through.

if you have any questions, OP, shoot. hope whatever you have gets treated quickly

[Anonymous No.13074327]

>>13074312
It has become clear that I am casting pearls before swine. Go gobble some prozacs and xanax, addict cringegirl. Just make sure to stock up on adult diapers . . . you're gonna need 'em.

[Anonymous No.13074351]

>>13074327
I've done a lot of research on why my gut was messed up, for a long time. I posted in this thread to help the OP, not to argue with you. I disagree big time if you are suggesting the way we treat grain crops doesn't have negative impacts on people's health. I don't want to discuss that with you either, I just want to give advice to someone who is not doing well, and the advice I have given is all harmless if it doesn't work. It is the OP's decision whether or not they want to try my suggestions, which have cured me.

[Anonymous No.13074361]

>>13073616
i didnt really read your bullshit but i can say drinking whole milk helped me with my ulcers when i would eat wings and cheese fries in college like 4 times a week.

[Anonymous No.13074531]

>>13073851
tell it like it is
some people's guts suck, and others just can't tolerate the bullshit the market has decided is our food

[Anonymous No.13074637]

>>13073628
Fuck you my antidepressants saved my life.

[Anonymous No.13074648]

>>13074637
fair enough but chron's will kill a couple percentage of patients

[Anonymous No.13074661]

>>13074637
Like every single medication on the planet, there are pros and cons. Alcoholism and abuse of alcohol can also be beneficial for someone who can't get over grief. If you don't mind the negatives, enjoy.

[Anonymous No.13074740]

>>13074274
Why the fuck does monsanto pay their shills to post on /ck/ of all places? Give it up, faggots, lol!

[Anonymous No.13074764]

>>13074740
Wow you are so clever! I guess our primitive ancestors never experienced cancer because there were no big scary corporations back then. Except . . .

[Anonymous No.13074829]

>>13074764
absolutely seething with cope

[Anonymous No.13074838]

>>13074829
can some other homosexual tell me what this poster means?

[Anonymous No.13074850]

>>13074829
You're dumb as a box of rocks but you're entertaining, lady. I'll give you that.

[Anonymous No.13074942]

>>13074838
The guy is literally saying all these digestive health problems are from xanax and SSRIs and then saying that cancer is as prevalent now as it was in cave man days. He doesn't even understand that what he is saying is that
>we have an increase in digestive health cases because of modern treatments
>There is no way digestive cancer is more common now because of what the bulk of humanity eats now compared to before

Shill or surface level baiting, it doesn't matter, his basic argument is contradictory.

[Anonymous No.13074981]

>>13074942
These modern treatments are not digestive treatments you absolute mouthbreathing cretin. Please try to keep up.

As for the rest of your "argument," it boils down to "there was no cancer among human beings before tort law was developed." You have zero idea what you are talking about yet refuse to keep your ignorant yap shut. Stupid people never do realize how stupid they are.

[Anonymous No.13075036]

>>13074981
No, but the harmful stuff used to raise your food goes into your digestive system, you are just stating that everyone with these problems in your experience is on depressive disorder meds, that doesn't mean anything to be, I have no idea what you do. Youve given no information or background and are just attacking people in the thread

[Anonymous No.13075069]

>>13075036
Keep those adult diapers handy, it sounds like you'll be needing them. I called my shot like Babe Ruth when it came to what was ailing OP for a reason.

But you seem like one of these "happy pill" addicts who scrambles desperately to justify her path of self-destruction. We're never gonna get you off those pills. You will go to your diarrhea-splattered grave moaning about Monsanto and other red herrings while thanking God for your accursed "medicine."

Let this wretched woman be an example to others in this thread. This is what maniacal pharma addiction looks and behaves like.

[Anonymous No.13075087]

>>13074319
>if you have any questions, OP, shoot
When you feel a braaappp coming on does it sometimes end up being a liquid leakage instead of gaseous?

[Anonymous No.13075096]

>>13073616
You're gonna have an intestinal obstruction soon! They will put a nasogastric tube and cut your intestine

[Anonymous No.13075106]

>>13075069
Have sex

[Anonymous No.13075112]

>>13075036
H-hi fellow white people, let's sue those icky gentile-dominates agriculture companies for horrific problems caused by (((our))) pharmaceutical companies.

[Anonymous No.13075118]

>>13075106
I do, regularly, and without having to wear depends either lmao. Go play in traffic, diarrhealet

[Anonymous No.13075123]

>>13075118
*cums in your asshole* lol nothing personal retard

[Anonymous No.13075129]

There is no reason to be smug on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.13075139]

>>13075123
So you have admitted defeat. Good. You have the spirit that could make you a good wife to some man one day, if you can lay off the pills. But the adult diapers? Those are forever, I'm afraid.

[Anonymous No.13075153]

>>13074829
If this was a drink name what would the ingredients be

[Anonymous No.13075176]

>>13075153
3 parts prozac, 2 parts xanax, 1 part shame, 1 part denial, 1000 gallons of diarrhea

[Anonymous No.13075692]

>>13073851
Can you elaborate a bit more on your diet and maybe give a few example meals/foods? When you say no sugars, do you mean no fruits as well or just no artificial sugar?

[Anonymous No.13075762]

>>13074164
No, probiotics won't do any good if your gut condition is hostile to good bacteria.
Eat beans and legumes. They'll help reestablish the bacterial biofilm in your gut.

And stay away from aspartame and sucralose. Harmless to you, toxic to gut bacteria.

[Anonymous No.13077527]

>>13075692
Hopefully you're still around! My diet currently is pretty lazy and budget oriented so grains have come back into my diet, but my gut isn't as harmed by it because I did a good job fixing it and maintaining it. I can talk about that if you want but I suspect you want what I ate when clean eating and what I think is best, so I'll explain that.

When I was fixing my gut over the course of three months, my diet was extremely simple.
First meal was at 1pm, before that I had black coffee. Three eggs scrambled with hot peppers onion and sometimes garlic, salt and pepper. Then however much smoked bacon I wanted. After this, I would have salmon and greens (Kale, broccoli, spinach) cooked in olive oil and butter, salt. I would also eat Jacksonville Italian sausage brauts with sauerkraut. Besides this, I would have pork chops or roast, and sometimes I'd have a salad made out of romaine, the greens I mentioned, topped with either a chicken breast seasoned with paprika and smoked paprika or a can of tuna. After a week passed, and I realized I was no longer lactose intolerant, i started to incorporate FULL FAT (important!) cheeses and milks, as well as Kefir.

I say no sugars at all, but this is controversial. The goal is to starve and kill the negative gut flora which subsist on sugars.

>>13075762
Big agree with the aspartame and sucralose being bad. I personally get brain fog from stevia too.

[Anonymous No.13077539]

>>13077527
Oh and I did eat potato chips and potatoes that I cooked for myself after the first week too. I also drank beer, which I wouldn't suggest, but it didn't seem to impact me negatively after that first week of basically no carbs passed.

[Anonymous No.13077610]

>>13074280
>one anecdotal evidence prove me right
Not how it works. You're spreading disinformation.

[Anonymous No.13077618]

>>13075153
2 parts vodka, 1 part whiskey

[Anonymous No.13077713]

>>13077527
OP here, not the guy you replied to but I'm surprised you were able to handle processed meats with no problem. Anything too greasy sets me off right now.

Also it turns out my appointment is actually next month so I'm just gonna tough it out and strip down my diet until then.

[Anonymous No.13077731]

>>13077713
Why are you pretty confident you have UC or Crohns, OP?

[Anonymous No.13077759]

>>13077713
I didn't eat a lot of them, the processed meats were pretty much what I ate when I didn't have time to do things. I wouldn't recommend processed meats either!

[Anonymous No.13077848]

>>13077731
Bloody diarrhea for about a week straight, CT scan showed thickening of the large intestine due to inflammation.
Stool samples came back negative for infection of any kind.

[Anonymous No.13077873]

>>13077848
I see. No colonoscopy?

Good luck. It will work out, but fuck me there's a bunch of nonsense posted itt. Be skeptical.

[Anonymous No.13077881]

>>13077610
Diarrhea is a listed side effect of both prozac and xanax. But sure, just keep telling yourself "anecdotal" while gobbling your happy pills and ripping your guts to tattered shreds.

[Anonymous No.13077887]

>>13077873
Not yet unfortunately. Thanks for the well wishes.

[Anonymous No.13077891]

>>13074046
You realise that he listed gluten and that coeliac is a thing?

[Anonymous No.13077904]

>>13077881
Diarrhea isn't IBD.

[Anonymous No.13077913]

>>13074187
>SSRI prescriptions are correlated with IBS
Why does this surprise you?

[Anonymous No.13077922]

>>13074280
>>13077610
OP thinks he might have an inflammatory bowel disorder, and hasn't even been given a diagnosis. We haven't proved anything.

[Anonymous No.13077932]

ER doc here with a master's in pharmacology from one of the really old places. Just dropped in to say that this thread is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.13077966]

>>13074187
>What I DO know is that prozac and xanax are named in 70% or more of colitis, IBS, or Crohn's cases my clients encounter.
What kind of quack business is this?

[Anonymous No.13078425]

>>13077527
Thanks anon, I'm still here. Thanks, that's helpful, it's been confusing since a lot of the supposed trigger foods for UC are high fiber foods like the greens you listed, which are also essential for nutrition. I'll have to experiment more.

[Anonymous No.13078535]

>>13077932
How much did you receive in kickbacks from big pharma this year pirate?

[Anonymous No.13078579]

has anyone itt experienced relief from a low fodmap diet? I tried it but it didn't seem to do much. The no grain diet is interesting, I still eat a lot of rices and rice flour baked goods. I'll start eating more fermented veggies that sounds good. but high fodmap foods like beans, cabbage, onions, and really garlicky foods set me off a bit still.
I had a gluten allergy that aggravated my colon so much it swelled by my bladder making my pee burn like fuck. went to the urologist for montha before getting any actual help. now I still have weird triggers outside gluten, like greasey foods, lactose, big meals, and other puzzle pieces I haven't found yet. its fucking aggravating. I need to go back to the gi and get an actual diagnosis but the thing is I never have diahrea, I have the opposite, little rabbit turds that are hard as rocks. my colon is lined with a thick layer of mucus making it really hard to pass these little turds. and when it gets bad I have a drippy, burning piss like an old man. this shit all started on my 20th birthday a while ago and I feel like I'm finally reaching the end
/end blog

[Anonymous No.13078621]

>>13074637
Fuck you antidepressants ruined my life.

[Anonymous No.13078625]

>>13078425
I think what you are talking about is referred to as 'roughage'. Things like corn kernels and nuts, insoluble fibers that you shit excrete push into your membrane, and if that membrane is already scarred and inflamed, then it will get cut and hurt by the high fiber things. It is a weird situation, where they say to get lots of fiber but then sort of dissuade you with the greens. A solution is soups, where you can take vegetables like carrots and kale and soften them up a great deal while still drinking the broth so you get all the nutrition.

>>13078579
Never heard of what you're talking about before, beans, cabbage onions and garlic all make me bloat when eaten in excess. Onions are supposedly amazing for your digestive system despite this. Just keep trying things, I ran the gambit when I was trying to pinpoint my issues. No dairy, then no gluten, then no rice, etc. the list goes on. It sounds like your gut is really fucked up, so I'd tell you the same I told the other people in the thread. The big takeaway I want people to get is that you must try and commit to diet changes dramatically different from how you eat now. Don't be lazy and let your afflicted gut control what you eat.

[Anonymous No.13078642]

>>13078625
thanks for the advice bro. I grew up on an Italian carb-heavy diet. pasta 3 times a week, bread with almost every meal. I really believe all of the big grain evils in the news now cause of my past. thank god i made it to Italy right before I got sick

[Anonymous No.13078659]

>>13078642
The topic of contaminated grains is one that people who are well read will argue with each other a lot about. Some say that all grains are GMOd and all are bad. I personally don't believe that, and I buy unenriched pasta from Italy. Eating those sparingly are better, eating walmart or dollar store brands immediately make me bloat and feel god awful. I'm not Italian but I've been eating a tablespoon of olive oil daily for almost ten year.

[Anonymous No.13078670]

>>13073616
I had ulcerose colitis as a kid. Doctors wanted to cut my intestines out and give me a shit bag.
Mother wanted none of it and took me to some woowoo magic man that gave me shroom and herb extracts. Can't remember what exactly but I remember I took shiitake.
Anyways I'm cured now.

[Anonymous No.13078696]

>>13078579
I narrowed my problem foods down to anything high fructose. No onions, no garlic, no bread, it's pretty miserable.

I eat normal food on weekends but I have to eat boring food during the week or I'll be farting nonstop at work.

[Anonymous No.13078755]

>>13078670
Fucking mama's boy. How long did you sleep in her bed before she weened you.

[Anonymous No.13078760]

>>13078755
I was 4.

[Anonymous No.13078805]

Diagnosed with UC at 22 years old, now 26. Diet can certainly give you symptom relief. Exercise, hydration, and nutrition are very important too.

For me a big bothersome food is refined sugar. While in a flare-up I can go from a lot of bleeding to little/no bleeding just by cutting out sugar. Fruits are fine though.

I tried cutting out grains for a long time, added back in rice and nothing changed, added in a little whole wheat bread and nothing changed. I also cut out dairy for a long time even though I knew I tolerated it just fine. I added in a couple cheese products and yogurts. I used to drink 2-3 cups of milk a day and pasta/bread/grains all day but now I just don't.

Meats also seem very easy to digest and will tolerated for me. Eggs > Fish > white chicken/turkey.

Past few weeks I started showing symptoms again, need to go back to GI doc and get a prescription. I've been through a lot of the medications and they mostly didn't work or made me worse. Prednisone works well but has bad long term side effects. Xeljanz also seemed to work well for me and I did not show any side effects from it.

Another personal thing is that I live in an old house that has had a mold issue in the past and it has came back very recently. There is a small chance that could be the root of my problems.

[Anonymous No.13078891]

>>13077966
It is a "quack business" governed by the Supreme Court and the state bar association, you syphilitic retard.

Just keep gobbling pills, you odious, oozing uterine cyst. You have demonstrated that you have no functioning brain cells.

[Anonymous No.13078924]

>>13078891
how many times have you posted in this thread lmao ya fucking nut

[Anonymous No.13078949]

>>13078924
How many times did you shit your pants today, prozacpopper?

[Anonymous No.13079124]

>>13078949
How come your tone and stance is hatred and being so mean to people who have been conned into taking these meds? You've not said anything about your 'job' which apparently is lax enough to enable you to focus on this thread for two days, you've shared no real information at all either. Do you not want to help people? If you're attitude is like this you probably scam all the people who buy your 'services'.

[Anonymous No.13079832]

>>13078621
>antidepressants ruined my life
>getting my foreskin snipped ruined my life
>parents divorcing ruined my life
I will never stop hating jews and liberals, it’s all I have left now

[Anonymous No.13079885]

>>13079124
I apologize for the hostility.

I am an attorney. I sue employers on behalf of enployees who got terminated due to disabilities or who were retaliated against for taking FMLA leave.

I am stunned by how many of our clients suffer Crohn's or IBS or UC. After a while I noticed the connection with prozac and xanax and other "antidepressants" or whatever they are called. Dismiss it as anecdotal if you wish, but I can't help but notice a glaring pattern when I bump into one. Discouragingly, it is almost impossible to talk my clients into reconsidering the pillpopping. They are like cultists. We have seen some of this cultlike behavior in this thread.

[Anonymous No.13079922]

>>13079885
There is the people that do not want to make any lifestyle changes whatsoever, they would rather get their guts cut out than consider a strict diet and exercise. There's also people that believe in a miracle pill that will fix all of their issues.
From my experiences both of these kinds of people are very vocal in the IBD community. But there is a large chunk of people that manage their disease normally and simply live their life normally.

[Anonymous No.13079931]

>>13079124
Far from scamming anybody, I advance all costs including filing fees and transcripts (which can easily surpass $10k in a complicated case) out of my own pocket.

I get attorneys fees and costs only if I get a judgment in my client's favor, or reach a settlement. My clients typically just lost their job. They cannot afford to pay an attorney his hourly rate.

[Anonymous No.13080386]

>>13074637
If that's true, you should have done the decent thing and died.

[Anonymous No.13080445]

>>13079832
Yeah sure your shitty life totally all the fault of jews and libs you fucking manchild

[Anonymous No.13081267]

>>13074838
>can some other homosexual tell me what this poster means?
No spoonfeeding

[Anonymous No.13081541]

>>13074187
>I already proudly stated I am in a non-medical profession.
>t. don't need no fancy book learnin'
What's up with the anti-intellectualism these days?

[Anonymous No.13081554]

>>13074205
Depression is not being "sad", you absolute mong. What if you literally, and I do mean literally, unable to get out of bed and do the most basic human shit because your brain is so imbalanced? People like you were absolutely no fucking help.
>like, just get over it

[Anonymous No.13081561]

>>13081554
If depression doesn’t let you get out of bed you’re enabled and I envy you

[Anonymous No.13081572]

>>13079885
These are some of the most prescribed meds there are, of fucking course many people are on them, you retard. Stay in your goddamn lane.

[Anonymous No.13081575]

>>13081572
>I trust big corporations to not offer me things detrimental to my health

[Anonymous No.13081579]

>>13080445
He has to hate someone or he'll start looking at his role in all his troubles.

[Anonymous No.13081585]

>>13081579
>his role for his problems that were all actually caused by liberal politics and jews and jewish psychology

[Anonymous No.13081592]

>>13081585
your parents getting divorced isn’t your problem dumb conservitard

[Anonymous No.13081596]

>>13081592
>broken homes don’t do anything to the kids
It hurts to see the reality of your beliefs doesn’t it

[Anonymous No.13081680]

>>13081585
>his role is being a seething faggot with an inferiority complex.

[Anonymous No.13081697]

>>13081680
I thought the left cared about people’s inferiority complexes and wanted to get rid of them

[Anonymous No.13081784]

>>13079885
So you're not a doctor. You're not a nurse. You appear to have no medical training whatsoever. You conflate IBD and IBS. You think prozac and xanax can be lumped into the same category. And you wonder why nobody listens to your medical advice?

This is an astonishing level of ignorance. Fuck me.

[Anonymous No.13082187]

>>13081784
Yet I nailed the diagnosis of OP in a single try, right out of the box. If everybody in your neighborhood drank a jug of varnish and dropped dead, would you require a "medical background" to conclude that maybe varnish should not be a beverage of choice? Credentialism for credentialism's sake is no virtue, anon.

Anybody prescribed these dangerous "meds" should stock up on depends, and friends and family should shun them because they tend to go on shooting rampages at school, work, garlic festivals, just about anywhere.

[Anonymous No.13082198]

>>13082187
Everyone that breaths air and drinks water dies too.

[Anonymous No.13082214]

>>13081554
If this were true, if it were really, actually true, then the responsible males in your family would leave a loaded .38 on your nightstand, tell you "you know what needs to be done" while giving the revolver a significant glance, turn out the lights, and shut your bedroom door so that you could do what was needful.

Our forefathers were based and took care of things like this the proper way. If younger brother was suspected of buggery, dad or older brother would do as described above. Same thing if a family member was moping around being "depressed." Acceptable alternatives include lobotomy and/or being sent to an institution or locked in the attic.

[Anonymous No.13082216]

>>13082198
Eventually, yes, but these are things that sustained them for years. Don't be silly.

[Anonymous No.13082272]

>>13082187
Oh my. You don't even know what diagnosis means. OP gave you the diagnosis he thinks he has (he hasn't been diagnosed yet).

You're just spouting nonsense without any evidence, data or studies to back up any of your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.13082309]

>>13082272
Just when you think there is no creature more abject and contemptible than a cop worshipper, along comes the lowly Whitecoat Worshipper.

Muh doctors are gods, muh doctors are not bungling overhyped veterinarians, muh Big Pharma has our best interests in mind. Doctors are paint-by-numbers hacks with few exceptions, unimaginative checklist wielding robots.

But sure, keep licking their scrotums and inflating their massive egos. Keep thinking that shrinks care deeply about the damage their meds of choice do to the GI tract. I am sure that will work out well for you, anon.

And remember: if your kid comes home with an arrow stuck in his eyeball, don't you dare usurp the role of our sainted doctors and nurses by drawing any conclusions from it. You are not qualified or credentialed to determine whether little Sally needs to have it removed or not.

[Anonymous No.13082324]

Personally, I found Crohn's to be a really big fucking meme.
Besides when it flares up, it's literally not hindering in any way.

[Anonymous No.13082391]

>>13082309
Again, no arguments. just a bunch of emotional hogwash.

[Anonymous No.13082413]

>>13082391
are there non emotional arguments in politics

[Anonymous No.13082431]

>>13077904
Constant diarrhea from medicating can be misdiagnosed as ibs, and it's bad for you

[Anonymous No.13082434]

>>13082413
Is medicine politics?

[Anonymous No.13082436]

>>13077932
>allegedly master's in pharmacology
>thinks this qualifies him as a nutritionist

[Anonymous No.13082460]

>>13082431
IBS isn't the same as IBD.

[Anonymous No.13082498]

>>13081784
>So you're not a doctor. You're not a nurse. You appear to have no medical training whatsoever.
Ad hominem and therefore irrelevant to the substance of what he's saying.
>You conflate IBD and IBS
He "conflated" one letter in an acronym, doesn't mean he conflated the concept those represent, you're only criticizing the form not the content.
>You think prozac and xanax can be lumped into the same category
Arguing nomenclature is even worse than arguing semantics.
>And you wonder why nobody listens to your medical advice?
"medical advice" yeah sure, in the same way that "you should walk at least 30 minutes a day instead of sitting on your ass all day" is medical advice then maybe.
>This is an astonishing level of ignorance.
Says the guy who provides nothing but nonconstructive criticism.
>Fuck me.
Get laid

>>13082272
>You're just spouting nonsense without any evidence, data or studies to back up any of your bullshit.
You've brought no proof that this was nonsense. If it were provable - and before you spew any retarded bullshit about proving a negative, a few counter example would be enough - you would have done so and shut him down instead of dragging this for so long. Which means you can't which means you're at least as much as full of shit as he his since you've stooped at least down to his level according to your own standards.
Of course since you offer no alternative you're effectually lower than him.

>>13082391
>Again, no arguments
That's fucking rich coming from the guy who just says "that's wrong" in a lot of different paraphrases without bothering to exactly argue how it would be wrong.
When presented a hypothesis you don't say "no", you say "no because [x]".
>just a bunch of emotional hogwash.
See, that's a claim, not even an argument. You didn't even bother to cite examples or anecdotes, that makes you even less believable than him.

[Anonymous No.13082529]

>>13082498
It is also worth remembering that I called my shot like Babe Ruth at the very beginning of the thread regarding what was ailing OP. Note how the pillpoppers consistently ignore this.

[Anonymous No.13082628]

>>13081554
I've been that person, the meds made it worse. The only fix for my 'depression' was getting my shit together and trying. Like with my advocacy of alternate treatments to UC I am the same with 'depression' and 'anxiety' which are both normal emotions that happen for a reason and have solutions other than mind breaking drugs. You can be mad at me and disagree with me, when people are struggling and have problems or run into rough patches I try and help them. SSRIs and anxiety meds have only existed for conditions that only existed recently, with the sole intent to get cash and not help their patients. These medications are one of the greatest crimes against people in recent times and there is never a reason to prescribe or take them, and there is no exception to this. They exist to enslave and destroy people for profit. You are free to be mad at me or talk about it further.

As my boy Chrisuhfur from Gabagool said,
>there's no chemical solution to a spiritual problem, T.

[Anonymous No.13082700]

>>13082413
First of all, this is a cooking board there is a politics board and you should go there, second medicine is not politics, you should take yours, schizo.

[Anonymous No.13082705]

>>13082214
Or I can take prozac and live a normal life, you tremendous faggot.

[Anonymous No.13082729]

>>13081697
I'm not a liberal and the inferiority complex of white people have lead to some of the worst atrocities in the 20th century. Nazi wannabes should follow their leader. Also, this is a cooking board, this is off topic, go to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.13082733]

>>13081554
And I mean, I do sympathize with you, you're a victim if you've taken SSRIs and anxiety meds, it's as simple as that. You need help, you needed help before you took them, just like a heroine user or alcoholic. It's a shame you didn't have anyone strong in your life to guide and help you, but most families are like that now unfortunately. Things are swinging back the other way though, and men and women are starting to stand strong as men and women and do what needs to be done.

>>13082700
Things got side tracked bad while I was asleep lol. The thread is about digestive issues, which is related to cooking. Dunno how to fix it now, unless someone comes in and says they have heartburn or some shit.

Pic related, the food equivalent of where the thread has gone

[Anonymous No.13082750]

>>13082733
Fuck off, seriously, you schizo. You derailed a perfectly good thread with your antivaxxing insanity.

[Anonymous No.13082788]

>>13082750
>i trust big pharma and the government that now allows propaganda implicitly why don't you

[Anonymous No.13082872]

>>13073616
yo i've had ulcerative pancolitis for 18 years.
THIS is what you need...
http://gaps.me/

not going to spend all day trying to convince you, but it's fact. and next year this clinical trial will prove it:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT03058679

good luck man, this disease is true hell.

[Anonymous No.13082969]

>>13082872
That study has nothing to do with the pseudoscience that the myriad of malabsorption, autoimmune, enzyme deficiencies, mental illness, and personality disorders can be resolved through dietary changes alone.

Look at the author of that webpage. She's listed among people like Dr. Oz. The same people who have been selling vegan lifestyle books for the last 50 years instead of practicing medicine or conducting research.

Even if it was relevant a single 200 person study over 3 years isn't going to revolutionize our understanding of UC.

>>13073616
Unless you've seen imaging and you're a licensed radiologist, I wouldn't be so sure. Even if you do have UC the severity and triggers vary dramatically from person to person. It might help if you take a detailed food journal of everything you put in your body and whether you have issues that day and the next.

[Anonymous No.13082996]

>>13082969
oh fuck off anon, i've had this disease for 18 years and i really cannot be bothered to argue with some seething pleb on 4chins. go read the hundreds of thousands of testimonials online. shoo.

[Anonymous No.13083122]

>>13082996
>hundreds of thousands of testimonials
A million testimonials still isn't very credible either. I could certainly believe a mediterranean diet low in dairy and grain helps, but that's nothing groundbreaking and it's never going to replace immunosuppressants and steroids for someone with an active disease.

If it really did work, why wouldn't every MD be billing for dieting advice which takes 15 minutes rather than fighting with insurance for weeks to get approval for imaging, labwork, and dozens of medications? Life isn't that convenient!

[Anonymous No.13083585]

>>13082969
They took CT scans and found thickening of the large intestine due to inflammation.
Barring a bacterial infection, the doctor I spoke to suspected it may be the beginning of some form of IBD. But I won't know for sure until a month from now.

[Anonymous No.13083687]

>>13082498
>Ad hominem and therefore irrelevant to the substance of what he's saying.
No it's not. It's very relevant because he is advising people to stop taking medications given by qualified health personnel. He's clearly unqualified.
>He "conflated" one letter in an acronym, doesn't mean he conflated the concept those represent, you're only criticizing the form not the content.
He's literally conflating all "GI tract issues" and saying they are caused by "demonic medicines".
>Arguing nomenclature is even worse than arguing semantics.
God forbid we use correct and accurate language when giving advice that may impact someones health.
>"medical advice" yeah sure, in the same way that "you should walk at least 30 minutes a day instead of sitting on your ass all day" is medical advice then maybe.
Walking 30 minutes a day actually has scientific merit.

>You've brought no proof that this was nonsense
It's nonsense on its face. We have a random anonymous poster in the asshole of the internet making extraordinary claims based on an unknown amount of clients of his not backed up by the current medical knowledge.

First of all IBD existed before Xanax or Prozac was a thing. It's also more common to suffer from depression and anxiety if you have a chronic disease. That is true for IBD and the prevalence is comparable to other diseases. You would think the prevalence of depression and/or anxiety would be higher if antidepressive or anxiolytics were the cause of IBD. What we do know is that it might make the course of the disease worse. So to see anyone arguing against treatment is simply infuriating.

IBD is very complicated. It's caused by an interplay btw genetics (more than 200 genes implicated) and environmental factors. That leaves a lot of room for quackery like we get from Saul Goodman itt.

Making dietary changes is all good though. Find out what works. It's very individual.

[Anonymous No.13083734]

>>13083687
Note the shift in stance that has happened here, threadmates.

When attorneys convince a gullible jury that "scary glyphosate" causes cancer or other health problems, they are geniuses and their clients are worthy and Monsanto is "evil," and that's that.

On the other hand, if an attorney voices concern about some junkie's drug of choice, he is immediately a Slippin' Jimmy Saul Goodman shyster who cannot be trusted.

The rest of us wish you pillpoppers would make up your mind.

But thanks for the very instructive real world lesson.

[Anonymous No.13083771]

>>13083734
Shift in stance? I still think you're a bumbling fool.

[Anonymous No.13083807]

>>13083122
>If it really did work, why wouldn't every MD be billing for dieting advice which takes 15 minutes rather than fighting with insurance for weeks to get approval for imaging, labwork, and dozens of medications? Life isn't that convenient!
because people are lazy and want a pill to solve all their problems. Not everyone wants a lifestyle change.

You can significantly reduce your risk of heart disease, improve your cognitive ability, feel happier on a consistent basis, sleep better and so much more by just going to the gym 3 times a week and going on a run/swim every day that you dont go to the gym, but so few of the general populous does this...

The same can be said for a good diet.

[Anonymous No.13083882]

>>13083771
Ah, the inevitable resort to poo-flinging when your "arguments" are skillfully eviscerated.

[Anonymous No.13083925]

>>13083882
You didn't address a single point I made in that post so it's hard to see you skillfully eviscerated anything.

[Anonymous No.13084144]

>>13083687
>"demonic medicines"
Wasn't mentioned before your post. You're resorting to making up quotes so fuck you and anything you've said so far, you are a waste of my time and have no understanding of how one should argue.
You've been nothing but purposefully disingenuous and clearly have a double standard that favors your argument over other's, asking for proof on their part yet providing none while only laying claim on claim with no argument to back up anything, when you're not just side-stepping or refuting exaggerated version of what has been said.
And no I won't go into details because by now it is clear you favor your opinion over logic. The way you "argue" is pathetic and shameful.

[Anonymous No.13084172]

>>13084144
>Wasn't mentioned before your post
Literally in the first post in this thread you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.13084187]

>>13083925
Are you literally retarded? You made no "point" in that post. You said that you still think I am a bumbling idiot, or some other ad hominem stupidity. These pills are not working out well for you. This is worrying.

[Anonymous No.13084620]

>>13084144
>Wasn't mentioned before your post. You're resorting to making up quotes so fuck you and anything you've said so far, you are a waste of my time and have no understanding of how one should argue.
It was actually mentioned twice.

>and clearly have a double standard that favors your argument over other's, asking for proof on their part yet providing none while only laying claim on claim with no argument to back up anything
What a novel idea to ask someone to back up their outlandish claims. My claims are really pretty basic and can be read in an easily available wikipedia article on IBD. If that's not good enough for you you have to be more specific and I'll sauce you up. And yes, I do favor my argument (Xanax/Prozac DOES NOT notoriously give people IBS, Crohn's).

>The way you "argue" is pathetic and shameful.
It's a bit ironic because you said earlier I was only criticizing form and not the content, and here you are criticizing my form and not my content.

[Anonymous No.13084830]

How do you end up with so many white knighters for big pharma here of all places? Christ, the npc programming has become extreme to say the least.

[Anonymous No.13085764]

>>13083734
>junkie's drug of choice
>antidepressants
You should take your meds.

[Anonymous No.13085767]

>>13084830
If you come into a thread and totally derail it with insane conspiracy theories, prepare for some push back. Go back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.13086383]

>>13084620
>It was actually mentioned twice.
Search function says otherwise, not my problem if you can't properly quote.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/quotation-within-quotation/

>What a novel idea to ask someone to back up their outlandish claims
Apparently yeah since you then go on to say
>My claims are really pretty basic
Not until proven that they are

>here you are criticizing my form and not my content.
I'm not criticizing your "form", as that would refer to the way you phrase your arguments.
I'm criticizing the way you argue, ergo the root of the tree instead of its shape. I'm saying that your "arguments" are not made properly thus can't be considered as such.
I'm sorry that you failed to understand that and made me spell it out for you. Clearly even though you claim to be qualified in the medical field, you are not when it comes to arguing.

The thing is, I'm not even on the lawyer's side, and there are a PLETHORA of ways to discredit him through valid arguing, EVEN if you take him at face value. So why the fuck you go rogue when you could've shut him down with logic aeons ago is beyond me. You either don't know shit or purposefully argue like a jackass because it's fun, that's the only way your action make sense. And this place being what it is I'm betting on the latter.

[Anonymous No.13086657]

>>13086383
>Search function says otherwise, not my problem if you can't properly quote.
Is this a joke? You accused me of lying and making stuff up. If you actually read the thread you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself. It's entirely your problem.

You're clearly not interested in the topic at hand and would rather have a meta-discussion and write blogpost about me and the argumentative technique. What an absolute waste of time.
Not to mention your posts are riddled with logical fallacies themselves. I'm not even gonna give you examples. You can reread your posts and see if you can spot them. Have fun!

[Anonymous No.13086671]

>>13084830
They are addicted to their happy pills no matter how they wreck their innards. They won't hear a word against them, or the kikeaceutical industry more broadly.