/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12933647]

Why do obese ketofags get so upset when you mention that beef causes cancer?

[Anonymous No.12933651]

>>12933647
I don't know, why do fat fuck carb-brains get so upset when you point out that carbs are literal poison?

[Anonymous No.12933654]

Is it actually st4bige himself posting about how vegetables are poisonous, or just somebody LARPing?

[Anonymous No.12933710]

who cares

[Anonymous No.12933739]

>>12933647
>>12933651
>tfw not retarded and recognized that both extreme dieting is retarded and carbs make you fat early on
>eat whatever and trim down on carbs whenever I gain fat
>don’t do retarded stuff like eat the last bits of burrito that are all tortilla and throw away pizza crusts
Life is so easy if you fail at staying in good shape your definitely low IQ

[Anonymous No.12933768]

>>12933647
Name a food that doesn't cause cancer. You are now aware that every grain and vegetable in the US is sprayed with glyphosate.

[Anonymous No.12933773]

>>12933647
Because no one is ever able to tell me by what mechanism red meat supposey causes cancer.

[Anonymous No.12933808]

>>12933773
It just does. Stop eating it bro!

[Anonymous No.12933812]

>>12933773
grilling red meats forms carcinogenic compounds like heterocyclic amines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, also heme iron promotes colorectal tumorigenesis that forms carcinogenic n-nitroso compounds

[Anonymous No.12933838]

>>12933647
quantity and quality. Fried potatoes are way worse of a carcinogen than beef ever will be.

[Anonymous No.12933841]

>>12933838
what about fried beef?

[Anonymous No.12933846]

>>12933651
t.ass blasted ketofag

[Anonymous No.12933850]

>>12933812
So don't pyrolize your meat on the grill like some dumb boomer.

[Anonymous No.12933856]

>>12933841
I don't know anything about fried beef, I do know that using most common oils for frying is bad and generally speaking heating food increases the odds it is carcinogenic. bbut you can just dose antioxidants and have it not matter.

[Anonymous No.12933859]

>>12933812
So grilling food causes cancer. Okay.

[Anonymous No.12933867]

>>12933859
red meat produces far more carcinogens from grilling than any other meat

[Anonymous No.12933872]

>>12933859
>arsenic is poisonous

>so drinking water is bad, got it

Trumpanzee America

[Anonymous No.12933879]

>>12933838
No they aren’t

[Anonymous No.12933904]

>>12933872
Dude the fucking neanderthals that make these threads here and elsewhere don't understand basic shit hardly. Now that everyone from your boomer great grandpa to my 8 year old cousin are on the internet discussions are almost a total and complete waste of time. The amount of uneducated retardation that I see on this board daily is evidence of that. This thread, while being a troll shitpost, has legitimate people in it arguing and talking about stuff that they barely understand. People here probably don't even understand the basics about cancer how it forms or how your immune system functions, nor do they understand why cancer is so rampant now compared to historical times. There are cultures that have used food X as their staple to survive for generations without cancer, but now on the internet there are like seven studies about how food X is cancerous in specific ways. As I said this thread is a troll shitpost. If you don't understand how to eat and how to live, if you are still arguing about keto and red meat and the fact that soy beans feminize you then you're lost, you're just broken. And with the censorship of the internet, most of the old non big pharma big food resources are being snuffed out.

>>12933879
Yes they are, google search it for two seconds retarded mongoloid

[Anonymous No.12933906]

>>12933651
Yeah, that's why the countries with the longest life expectancies eat so few carbs, right?

[Anonymous No.12933928]

>>12933904
>g-google
Google how to how grow a brain you autistic fuck

[Anonymous No.12933955]

>>12933928
You didn't say anything. I visit libraries and request research journals from universities that have not been scanned yet mutt shithead, morons like you can use google and find surface level shit that makes you happy, so do that

[Anonymous No.12933967]

>>12933955
How do you ask for research journals? Just started going to local library last month

[Anonymous No.12933974]

>>12933768
No they aren't. There are only a few like hfcs corn and soybeans that have been gmo'd to tolerate glyphosate.

[Anonymous No.12933997]

>>12933967
At my library I have a database I can scan for my state, it seemed weird to me but your state probably has that too, I'm in Michigan. For me, the first time i went I went with a list of books I wanted to look over with authors and dates. The lady searched them in the database and only found two, one was some article written by a scientist in a sort of monthly magazine, and it only had what I had already read online. The other was a large science journal that there was only one copy of, and I would have to drive to the university of michigan to read it, since it was special or something. After that she set everything up with me and I can just browse authors/doctors, request the ones you want, then it says when they will be sent to your library, then you pick it up like any other book.

[Anonymous No.12934036]

>>12933739
>throw away pizza crust
Kys

[Anonymous No.12934050]

>>12933906
Rekt

[Anonymous No.12934172]

>>12933647
Breathing now causes cancer.
Drinking water causes cancer.
Eating a fucking brocolli causes cancer.
The planet is poisoned beyond repair, I'll eat whatever the fuck I want until I get cancer, and if it gets too bad I can always have a great last feast and then put a bullet in my head.
Now stop making these stupid fucking threads, you malnourished imbecile.

[Anonymous No.12934194]

>>12933812
so then vegetables can also cause cancer, looks like those mexican corn sticks are off the menu lads.

[Anonymous No.12934200]

>>12934172
this anon said what i was going to say

[Anonymous No.12934203]

>>12933647
You think if anyone cared about getting cancer they'd be posting on this website after 2016?

[Anonymous No.12934218]

food bad

[Anonymous No.12934237]

>>12934172
Okay then, consume some plutonium and then tell me how that compares to breathing

[Anonymous No.12934239]

>>12934194
Do you not understand what relative risk is and the concentrations of these compounds are? No? Not like you care since you laughably are trying to justify the carcinogens in meat

[Anonymous No.12934245]

>>12934237
Wow, a hyperbole!
I'm glad you used that against me. Certainly now I'll see how eating red meat will immediately turn me into pic related!

[Anonymous No.12934260]

Everything causes cancer if you are predisposed to get cancer, so why worry.

[Anonymous No.12934447]

>>12934245
What movie that is?

[Anonymous No.12934449]

>>12933859
>dont grill meat
boiling it is then

[Anonymous No.12934460]

>>12933739
>throw away pizza crusts
disrespectful and wasteful

[Anonymous No.12934464]

>>12934447
It's a tv show, Chernobyl.
It's a tv show about the Chernobyl incident.

[Anonymous No.12934470]

>>12933768
>You are now aware that every grain and vegetable in the US is sprayed with glyphosate.
At worst, the anti-cancer aspects of those foods outweigh the potential cancer-risk of glyphosphate. They are anti-cancer foods. Beef has no redeeming quality when it comes to cancer.

[Anonymous No.12934510]

>>12933651
>skinniest people in the world eat the most carbs, least fat
>fattest people in the world eat the most fat, least carbs
>only reason keto even causes weight loss is because it makes you sick so you lose your appetite

[Anonymous No.12934514]

>>12933812
Homocyclic animes

[Anonymous No.12934518]

See the thing is everything causes cancer. Cooking your food causes cancer, breathing causes cancer, most available water contains chemicals causing cancer, sitting in sunlight causes cancer, not getting enough sunlight causes cancer, walking barefoot causes cancer, and so on and so forth. The list of cancer causing things is so long that saying something causes cancer is meaningless. This is even more true because cancer causing chemicals are measured in how sure it really does increase your likelihood, not how much it increases it.

[Anonymous No.12934542]

>>12934518
This post gave me cancer.

[Anonymous No.12934553]

>>12934518
I just find it funny that nobody ever says this about other easily avoidable cancer-causing things like tobacco, but when it comes to meat, they go "come on, everything causes cancer, don't worry about it, nothing really matters"

[Anonymous No.12934586]

>>12933647
Because it doesn't

[Anonymous No.12934596]

>>12934518
Yeah thanks for your scripted NPC drivel it was already posted and surmisely shat on as braindead nigger shit

[Anonymous No.12934601]

>>12934245
>DUDE EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER LOL

Your words exactly, dumbass. Now go drink Chernobyl water you stupid nigger, its just like breathing air its cancer xD

[Anonymous No.12934616]

>>12934553
I don't give a fuck about people smoking tobacco. I only care if they smoke next to me because I don't like the smell.

>>12934542
>>12934596
Meat's cancer causing effects, particularly red meat. It was 2014 when the IARC evaluated red meat. It received a Class 4, meaning they are pretty sure they are correct in it increasing cancer.

However it has only ever been shown to increase the likelihood of a few cancers (gut, colon, throat, stomach) by a small amount with extremely high red meat consumption. So really do your fucking research before you turn into a retard. Your cancer risk is being increased more by literally living at sea level and I don't see people moving to the mountains.

[Anonymous No.12934632]

>>12934616
Yeah none of what you said matters you stupid fucking nigger. Breathing isn’t the same hazard ratio as red meat when it comes to cancer

[Anonymous No.12934638]

>>12934632
Yes it is. Living at high altitude actually reduces your likelihood of cancer proportionally more than eating high amounts of red meat increases it. Having higher oxygen partial pressure in the air is a high cancer risk that has been proven at the same certainty factor as red meat. So if you move to Denver you have done more to effect your cancer chances than eating a steak for every meal would.

[Anonymous No.12934639]

>>12934616
The IARC studies didnt isolate the cause of cancer to red meat.

[Anonymous No.12934664]

>>12933651
Funny bc even when you ingest zero carbs your body goes to great lengths to create glucose and keep your blood glucose up. Some “poison” that is

[Anonymous No.12934665]

>>12934639
They did, and separately to processed meat.

[Anonymous No.12934669]

>>12934638
Certainty factor, not relative or absolute risk, or any hazard ratio you braindead fucking retard

[Anonymous No.12934671]

>>12933773
Funny because no one is ever able to tell me by what mechanism fructose causes diabetes

[Anonymous No.12934694]

>>12933773
The most well understood is the form of iron in red meat (pic)

Another contributor is a molecule called neu5gc

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4299224/

[Anonymous No.12934697]

>>12934665
That's just not true. There was no control over the experiments because there were no experiments. The epidemiological studies they used made no distinction between people in the mcdonalds diet and people on Mediterranean diets. Further they relied on 'self reported' diet history which is demonstrably unreliable for overweight people.

To wrap it all up, the 'increased cancer risks' are smaller than the margins of error associated with the statistical analysis.

To give you perspective, unprocessed red meat supposedly increases your cancer risk by 6%, while cigarettes increase your risk by 3000%

[Anonymous No.12934701]

>>12934697
Whoa now you’re saying I can’t smoke either

[Anonymous No.12934702]

>>12934664
Next you'll tell me UV light isn't bad for you because your body uses it to synthesize vitamin d

[Anonymous No.12934718]

>>12934697
If you read the report, the strongest evidence they found was from the mechanistic data involving direct experimentation to determine carcinogenicity. The epidemiology, by contrast, was considered slightly inconsistent, which is why red meat isn't in the same class as processed meat.

[Anonymous No.12934723]

>>12934697
Epidemelogical study by design will isolate habitual behaviors

>self reported' diet history which is demonstrably unreliable for overweight people.
Self reported diets are demonstrably accurate. Making shit up entirely

[Anonymous No.12934733]

>>12934697
>To give you perspective, unprocessed red meat supposedly increases your cancer risk by 6%, while cigarettes increase your risk by 3000%
It's 17% per 3-ounce serving per day for a common cancer affected by other factors in a society where terrible diets are a norm, against a pack-a-day habit of a cancer that pretty much only comes from smoking, where the only alternative to smoking is not smoking.

[Anonymous No.12934736]

>>12933739
>not eating the burrito in a way that never leaves you with only tortilla
>not eating the crust as you eat the toppings part
>throwing away crust when you've already eaten 95% of it
you are a max retard

[Anonymous No.12934737]

The increase to your risk of cancer from red meat is so small that it's negligible, smaller than many other daily habits people have that they could stop to lower their risk. Alcohol raises your risk of cancer much more and no one is telling me we need to eradicate all booze.

[Anonymous No.12934739]

>>12934697
https://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
>In the case of red meat, the classification is based on limited evidence from epidemiological studies showing positive associations between eating red meat and developing colorectal cancer as well as strong mechanistic evidence.
>strong mechanistic evidence

[Anonymous No.12934744]

>>12934737
Yeah 20% is negligible

[Anonymous No.12934750]

>>12934737
>people don't say alcohol is unhealthy!
They do, and that's all they're saying about red meat too. It's up to the individual whether they want to keep eating it, or eating the same amount of it, but stop trying to deny the fact that it's a cancer risk

[Anonymous No.12934760]

>>12934744
Wtf my risk for cancer went from 1/8000 to 1/7000

[Anonymous No.12934766]

>>12934760
1 in 23 people develop colorectal cancer

[Anonymous No.12934767]

>>12933812
That sounds awesome.

[Anonymous No.12934771]

>>12934766
And more than half develop heart disease, another thing that red meat is famous for causing

[Anonymous No.12934773]

>>12933812

sounds like everything I want in my body

[Anonymous No.12934774]

>>12934723
You're projecting your dishonesty and ignorance onto me

[Anonymous No.12934776]

>>12934750
I'm not denying the fact that isn't a cancer risk. I'm saying the increase is negligable.

>>12934744
17%, not 20%. Even so a 17% increase doesn't mean you have a 17% chance. You're going from (less than, just pulling this number to show what I mean) 5% to 5.85%. People look at an increase like that an panic, but when your chance of getting the disease is going from tiny percentages to still tiny percentages who cares?

I'm going to keep eating red meat because cancer is on its way out in terms of health risk. The strives in cancer treatment even in the last 10 years are astounding. Taking a small increase to my chance at a few cancers in exchange for a pleasurable meal option is definitely worth it, especially since by the time I am old enough for cancer to be a real worry it'll be far more treatable.

[Anonymous No.12934780]

>>12934774
No youre just deflecting yours onto me

[Anonymous No.12934781]

>>12934766
That's a 4.3% chance. If the increase is off that as a baseline then you're going from 4.3% to 5.0%, or a .7% increased risk.

[Anonymous No.12934801]

>>12934781
For every 3-ounce serving. On an individual level, that's a bad deal, and on a population level that's a lot of cancer cases

[Anonymous No.12934804]

>>12934776
I dont think you understand what negligible even means. .85% percent from a single minimal serving a week is an enormous impact on your body. This isn’t even considering all other risk factors. People care because they don’t want cancer and don’t want retards like yourself trying to editorialize 5-5.85 increase. Especially considering the average person eats about five times the servings of the amount that increases the risk nearly 20%

[Anonymous No.12934817]

>>12934801
Yeah I’m ok with that increased risk. When I weigh the two options, low my risk by a fraction of a percent vs eating red meat I definitely choose eating red meat every time.

>>12934804
Eh, when I do the math for myself I really don’t see the increased risk as being big enough to justify not enjoying red meat. As I said, a .85% increase in an individual level is negligible, especially considering how cancer is becoming easier and easier to treat if I roll the dice and they come up poorly.

[Anonymous No.12934837]

>>12934817
Yeah that’s because you’re retarded and still don’t know what negligible means.

This isn’t .85 from stuffing your gross face with meat each week, its per a fairly small serving. But by all means, boost yourself to a 1–10 chance to natch a terminal illness from 1 factor alone

[Anonymous No.12934838]

>>12934702
Uhh yeah, that shows some UV light is good for you

[Anonymous No.12934845]

>>12934771
This. I don't know why the discussion about red meat always revolves around cancer. It's much more likely to give you heart disease, cancer's just a secondary risk.

[Anonymous No.12934847]

Imagine having to go on a highly restrictive, expensive diet because you're a pos without self control and incapable of eating smaller portions. Then there are people convinced piece of bacon is better for them than tomato and fruits are the devil causing obesity.

Some guy I used to watched on youtube aged himself 10 years in six months of keto. Man was already fit af and didn't need to get rid of the little fat he had. All the talking about healthy lifestyle and he jumped from late 20s straight into middle age with a sunken, grey face.

[Anonymous No.12934854]

>>12934847
Pics? Keto really fucks you up

[Anonymous No.12934860]

>>12933647
We're not upset, what you see are fits of laughing at your vegan teeth.

[Anonymous No.12934864]

>>12934860
omg source

[Anonymous No.12934895]

>>12934864
>The "Raw Runner" on Jewtube.

Like all Malnourishment diet vegans with horrible teeth, he has a million reasons why his teeth are a rotten mess, and it had nothing to do with his vegan diet lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nf7wAMwfrw

Even young vegans teeth are scary.

[Anonymous No.12934896]

>>12934837
Show me evidence that it will increase my risk to 1 in 10. If you can I might reconsider the mental arithmetic for whether to continue to eat steak every other day. If not then meh, I’m ok with increased risk factor. It would have to be an increased risk of more than 200% to push it to 1 in 10. Even then 1 in 10 isn’t bad considering how easy cancer is getting to treat, especially the cancers that red meat supposedly causes.

[Anonymous No.12934912]

>>12934860
>>12934895
Carnist samefag. Pic is him.

[Anonymous No.12934924]

>>12934896
Meat doesn't cause any cancer whatsoever, the infinitesimally small so-called increased risk vegans say it has, is a mere factor of confounding factors and healthy user bias.

Vegan "science" is a pure joke, it's not science it's vegan marketing conducted and published by vegans, vegetarians and Seventh day Adventist cultists..

Just look at the gaunt emaciated vegan doctors themselves, don't pay attention to the propaganda.

[Anonymous No.12934930]

>>12934912
Is that vegan pioneer Arnold Kaufman in his younger days? Arnold's not looking so good lately. Looks like he had one kale smoothie too many..

[Anonymous No.12934978]

>>12934895
ho ly shit

[Anonymous No.12934984]

>>12934896
Every 3 oz serving a week increases your risk nearly 20% as you admitted, the average person eats way way more than that

1–10 odds is absolutely horrible for a terminal illness, you’re very unintelligent and unaware of oncology, cancer treatment is varied by each particular cancer and strides in treatment and slowing progression do not make it some common cold shit you’re making it out to be

[Anonymous No.12934985]

>>12934984
The common cold is unironically harder to treat than most cancers.

[Anonymous No.12934990]

>>12934984
Find me how high the increase is for higher consumption friendo. You can't extrapolate higher consumption is higher risk, the risk can level out or have diminishing returns on risk. If you show me further evidence than as I said I'll consider it. Until then I'm gonna keep eating meat.

>1–10 odds is absolutely horrible for a terminal illness
Good then I'm not 10 people.

[Anonymous No.12934994]

>>12934985
Cool, now give yourself the cold and we’ll compare treatment and pathology with the pancreatic cancer you give yourself. Enjoy!!

[Anonymous No.12935003]

>>12934990
The exact study you’re touting as showing having miniscule risk literally equates higher consumption with higher risk

[Anonymous No.12935020]

>>12935003
Link it? How much higher does it say the risk is? Because I'm not denying higher risk I am saying I doubt it is a 1 to 1 meat to percentage risk.

[Anonymous No.12935024]

>promoting ((((vegan science)))

Wow wow so career vegans, whose entire career and advocacy is 100% pro-vegan, these people have said meat is unhealthy!!! That's proof enough for me!!

[Anonymous No.12935037]

>>12935024
>beef is the only meat that exists
nice strawman retard

[Anonymous No.12935045]

>>12933647
not eating meat causes cancer also

checkmate faggot

[Anonymous No.12935057]

>>Veganism is so healthy...

[Anonymous No.12935070]

>>12933647
With how CRISPR is going they'll have cancer cured by the time I'm at the most risk so im gonna just continue with life.

[Anonymous No.12935110]

>>12935020
It’s literally in the report you’re citing, or are you actually just bullshitting about everything and didn’t read it?