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BASED
Now us vegans can enjoy ultra realistic chicken drumsticks. Gonna try to do it tonight.

>> No.12830038

>>12830018
Because appearances = taste.

I know the feel, sometimes I cook sausages, but throw them out because they look like cat turds.

>> No.12830044
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>>12830018
down to the soyface.

>> No.12830048

>>12830018
obsessed

>> No.12830062

>>12830018
vegans are gross when you think about it.

>> No.12830243

>>12830062
All life is gross when you think about it.

>> No.12830258

Why do vegans spend EVERY waking moment trying to recreate meat dishes? Perhaps it's some sort of biological imperative to eat meat?

>> No.12830377

With the money needed to buy all that stuff, and time wasted to make that shit, you could buy 10 whole chickens, at least.

>> No.12830395

>>12830258
Because they crave meat. Vegans always do this. Watch at least one vegan ''what i eat in a day'' video and you'll see. They always put some red sauce over their ''food'' because they want blood. They are mentally ill. That's why they are obsessed with going to slaughter houses. They pretend that they want to educate people about ''how animals suffer'', but in reality they want to eat the meat and drink blood.

>> No.12830480

>>12830258
I was just gonna fucking say that.

>> No.12830535

>>12830018
how does a vegan get so fucking fat?

>> No.12830540

>>12830535
Lots of potato chips

>> No.12830552

>>12830258
Your sampling methodology is lacking.

>> No.12830563

>>12830535
Sugar is vegan

>> No.12830644

fuck me how do vegans claim to have a more natural and healthier lifestyle if they need to add so many alien starches and artificial flavors

>> No.12830672

>>12830258
Savage post

>> No.12830708

>>12830552
Go eat your vegan chicken tenders and fuck off

>> No.12830714

>>12830535
He’s not vegan, in fact he’s not even vegetarian. He’s a pescatarian

>> No.12830720

>>12830018
funny how the first thing vegans do is imitate meat, makes ya think
>inb4 veganoid makes up a frivolous lie about how he was harassed in a restaurant for ordering vegan food

>> No.12830790
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These fucks all look the same

>> No.12831977

>>12830258
>have a vegan friend
>always tries to get me to convert
>bro c'mon it tastes just like a fucking steak bro
>try a bite
>tastes like nothing with salt on top
>ask him how he remembers what a steak tastes like
Most of the food I eat would be considered at least vegetarian but good fuck if you want to eat meat just eat it. I'd be more inclined to eat vegan if people actually showcased vegan food that isnt trying go imitate meat or cheese.

>> No.12832254

>>12830395
When are you gonna drink Frank Tofanos blood?

>> No.12832260

>>12830018
This guy is a vegetarian.

>> No.12832330

>>12830258
because they dont want to admit they got bored but are too stubborn to quit

>> No.12832422

>>12830535
Look at the OP. Replacing fried lean proteins with fried fruit. He might as well be eating a funnel cake.

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>>12830258
>>12830395
Can you imagine the adrenaline of killing a deer with your bare hands, eating his raw meat while still warm and drinking his blood? Is there anything that screams more "I'M ALIVE" than killing? This is literally one of the alternatives happy scenarios that I make for my future in my mind, the one where I became a complete savage after the collapse of civilization, I would even rank this one far higher than the one where I become a complete hedonist having sex all day, I was reading Lord of the flies recently and I'm pretty sure that slaughtering animals and dancing around a fire with my frenz could make me happy, but we could cut the part of killing each other, desu I don't know which part would be best, slaughtering animals or dancing around the fire, I studied in a military school and there was a feeling when we were all marching equal and literally screaming the same songs or battle cries that is hard to describe, a feeling of belonging, like if in that moment, we were all equal, we were all one, maybe I should just go out more and socialize more, now this is too big but I don't want to delete it, hope you enjoyed the reading.
"Kill the pig! Cut his throat! Kill the pig! Bash him in!"

>> No.12832487

>>12830552

Yeah because lab grown "meat" isn't becoming insanely popular in supermarkets and fast food fucking retard

>> No.12832532

>>12832482
Yelling** instead of screaming

>> No.12832615

>>12830018
>Ugh, meat? No thanks. That will give you heart disease.
>Here, try these vegan chicken wings made with real cane sugar!

>> No.12832633
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I don't get it, why do vegans obsess over imitating the shittiest, cheapest meats and dairy? If you're gonna fake something, why not fake something with more demand than supply? Why can't I get a fake steak with perfect fake marbling? Fake ground beef and chicken isn't even cheaper. Give me a fake duck.

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this is vegetarian "duck", made with wheat gluten. They even emboss pattern on it to make it look like skin.

>> No.12833012

>>12830535
Cake
I know a bunch of fat Seventh Day Adventist vegans and they're all fat

>> No.12833019
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Why don’t vegans create vegan versions of vegetarian food?

>> No.12833033

>>12833019
Some people just like a challenge I guess. I do keto for weight loss and it's kinda fun finding low-carb alternatives to plug holes in my diet. But as soon as I reach my goal weight you better believe I'm breaking it with some french fries.

>> No.12833034

Surprising that people fall into veganism. Like, the average person only gets around 20% of their calories from animal foods at best, and you want to remove that last little bit entirely? Don't get me wrong, I used to think veganism was a fun meme, but then I realized that it was the most hilarious self-cucking one could perform. Ahh well, we all have experience to learn.

>> No.12833394

>>12833003
SATAN

>> No.12834876

>>12832487
the people into that stuff arent usually hardcore vegans, it's basically catering to guilty meat eaters

>> No.12834892

Tbh his recipes are interesting thought experiments that create interesting results for cooking . Tofu skin as a fake skin is a pretty cool idea. Crab meat from mushrooms is an interesting take. If u just look at it from a food aspect and not a vegan aspect some of the stuff sounds tasty or at least interesting.

He’s vegetarian too.

>> No.12834903

>>12830563
>Sugar is vegan
It isnt but HFCS is

>> No.12835008

>>12830790
They get pussy and you don't lol

>> No.12835359

>>12830018
vegans are based

>> No.12835365

>>12834903
Depends on what sugar you get

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>>12830018
*triggers OP*

>> No.12835713

>>12835387
Does this "Chicken" have "Bones" in them?

>> No.12836031

>>12830044
>Not chicken
Like literally anyone thought otherwise

>> No.12836056

>>12835387
Fund a company that's reknowned for using chicken kept in the worst and most unethical conditions imaginable because they have 1 vegan item on the menu. If this actually works, vegans are officially a meme.

>> No.12836344

>>12836056
lol fucking this. you know they're going to try it but this particular product is never going to take off.

>> No.12836663

>>12836344
Carnist cope is so pathetic. Go drink a tub of lard mixed with blood you sorry ass fatfuck.

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>> No.12836710

https://www.foxnews.com/us/vegan-parents-charged-after-starving-their-5-month-baby-by-switching-from-doctor-advised-organic-formula

>> No.12836786

>>12836663
i used to be vegan and vegetarian and all that. I only recently started eating meat. This faux meat thing is a trend but its ultimately the goal of (((certain people))) to make it successful in order to "reduce" the effects of climate change. I loved being a veggie, and I love being a carnivore but they are forcing veganism down our throats right now. I dont want to have to go back to eating vegetables all the time. I have my rights dammit.

>> No.12836787

maybe this beyond meat crap could inspire someone to make meat that doesn't already exist, or isn't something easily obtainable
like vegetable based hippogriff burgers, or toucan steaks

>> No.12836789

>>12836787
fairly certain this post is ironic.

>> No.12836792

>>12836786
Its the goal of certain people to not destroy the planet we live on. To make us healthier. To not needlessly slaughter every living thing?

Sounds like some very fine people on that side.

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>>12836792
I used to be like you, but then i realized that climate change is no more man made than it is a side effect of volcanoes and ocean currents.

Imma enjoy my steak.

>> No.12836806

>>12836803
Oh you realized it in the same way you realized you’re a virgin because dark people are taking the girls you have oneitis for?

>> No.12836809

>>12836789
nah just some food for thought

it's like trying to take a sausage and make it taste like a potato when you can easily just have a potato.

>> No.12836815

>>12836787
I approve. I'll buy lab grown dodo and t rex meat lul.

>> No.12836822

>>12836806
please
go home >>>/r9k/ you're drunk

>> No.12836823

Most vegans are vegans for moral reasons. Is it so hard to comprehend tha someone wozld give up some pleasure for his ideals?
And why shouldn't they eat immitation meat? If it helps them to stick to their lifestyle of not hurting animals, why do you have a problem with it?

>> No.12836824

>>12836803
I looked this stuff up once. Can't a single volcanic eruption pretty much do more damage to the planet's atmosphere and climate than all of humankind's history at once?

>> No.12836826

>>12836815
t-rex is probably out, don't think theres any dna left of that in any available fossils
but both wooly rhino and mammoth could be on your table with relative ease

i kinda want some dodo tendies

>> No.12836828

>>12830018
>Now us vegans can enjoy ultra realistic chicken drumsticks
you realize being a vegan is a choice and you can just eat the real thing whenever you feel like it?

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>>12836824
not ALL of human history. SO many volcanoes have gone off since the dawn of time but it regulate itself. But even more so than volcanoes, the ocean currents and the jet stream are also the cause of global warming. The currents and jet stream have been changing drastically for the past 10 years or so. People never pay attention to the real facts. So go do some research and get learned. You'll instantly be smarter than 90% of america thinking COWS are farting too much.

>> No.12836839

>>12836056
what the fuck are you talking about, that's ethical capitalism in a nutshell. it's been happening for decades. that's how starbucks got to be so popular. the idea that you can negate all the bad a business does by buying a socially-conscious product. Tom's shoes is based entirely on that. The Boondocks had an episode on it.

>> No.12836856

>>12836822
Trumpanzee humor really is something else

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>>12836832
>just take my vague word instead of actually listening to fact!!
Man i wish was so frogging redpilled like you guy

>> No.12836872

>>12836863
its crazy that it is literally in order of how good they are for the not plant based things

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>>12830018
>realistic vegan hot wings
>holding a fucking fake chicken leg

Good riddance, more for me.

>> No.12836877

>>12836856
check it my dude >>12836832 get learned. Go discover the real reasons for global warming. The ocean currents are slowing, and the jet stream is taking twists and turns like it never has before.

But of course eating a steak and driving a car is the primary cause of changing climate. Do you KNOW how much the climate has changed over and over again through the millennia? Long before mass farming and motor vehicles were a thing

>>12836863
are you afraid to google "ocean currents and climate change"? go do some reading my dude. It will blow your mind how much propaganda goes into all this climate change bullshit.

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Post wings

>> No.12836887

stop whining about global warming
ur on /ck/ u should WANT global warming
we are heading toward global cooling
and that means much less food
u dont want to starve do u?

>> No.12836891

>>12836877
He's right, guys. It's okay if the temperature doesn't drop below 100 Fahrenheit for months because it's just the ocean currents.

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>> No.12836903

>>12832482
This was a good read. Would join your fire dancing after the collapse.
Seriously tho, i need to learn to shoot a bow

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>> No.12836908

>>12836877
Uh yeah, check it my fat retard, ACTUALLY get learned by something other than a vague shitty post and platitude
>>12836863

>The ocean currents are slowing, and the jet stream is taking twists and turns like it never has before.
Then substantiate this claim and its relevance to the current climate trends

>Do you KNOW how much the climate has changed over and over again through the millennia? Long before mass farming and motor vehicles were a thing
And none of it is the slightest bit relevant to the anthropogenic factors of today because it is outweighed significantly or not present

>are you afraid to google "ocean currents and climate change
Are you afraid to actually present an actual argument and refute the actual evidence provided other than “LOOOL COW POOPY XDD” ?

Because I’ll gladly read evidence, not the musings of some fat retard who seems to have taken a cyanide pill more than a red pill

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>>12836913
>>12836909
>>12836905
>>12836897
>>12836886
>>12836874
Stop, I just had dinner.

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>>12836921
You can have wings tomorrow, anon

>> No.12836932

>>12830044
What's that weird ass sore/boil/zit on his face?

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>>12836930
>>12836926
>>12836919
henlo fren

>> No.12836940

>>12836877
Oh and while you’re at it my fat dude, you should google Global Warming and animal agriculture, skepticalscience global warming, how to not be a virgin, it will blow your mind how much of a septical dumbass you actually are

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>>12836936
well well well, look what the cat drug in

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>> No.12836963

>>12836826
yeah, but maybe someday they will be able to figure out t rex... For sure mammoth steaks sound interesting too!

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>> No.12836985

>>12836932
HIV/AIDS

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>>12836969
what is so veryvery hot bout them

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>>12836992
I used too much of that god awful death sauce

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>> No.12837024

>>12836908
id say 'anyone with half a brain could realize this" but the fact is nobody is going to tell you how the ocean current is what holds our ecosystem together and the jet stream is directly affected by the ocean currents. Ill pick a few random articles but im tired as fuck and I expected you to google shit on your own

>regarding ocean currents
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07052018/atlantic-ocean-circulation-slowing-climate-change-heat-temperature-rainfall-fish-why-you-should-care

>regarding the jet stream
https://www.livescience.com/27825-jet-stream.html
>ctrl+f jet streams and the weather

Now, if you want any more information you're on your own. I am showing you the way, so dont stop there.

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>> No.12837030

>>12830018
>stinky durian

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>>12837003
I like 2 add tiny splash of daves insanity when I’m done making my sauce

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>>12837035
Did you get a deep fryer?

>> No.12837050

>>12837024
Oh so anyone with half a brain not including those climate scientists just know the jet streams and currents are fucking everything up magically and not any anthropogenic activity related to it? You’re so big and smart

You’re such a fat retard that you can’t even explain the evidence or yourself or even realize the articles you’re posting are pointing to anthropogenic activity CAUSING these issues

But you’re so friggin redpilled you dont even realize it my dude!!!

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>> No.12837054

>>12837024
>inb4 you see the part about the ocean currents that blame Co2 levels in the air that are causing the polar ice caps to melt

because remember the jet stream directly influences where cold and warm air are distributed cause warm weather that causes the ice to melt.
>disclaimer

>>12837050

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>>12837045
I’ve always have a electric deepfryer pot. I will not eat the baked wings. Baked wings are a sin and untastey I will not eat them

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>>12837057
Actually baked wings can be pretty good, but you need to melt a stick of butter in a pot, and individually dip each wing into it before baking

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>> No.12837082

>>12837057
There are baked >>12836919

Wish I had a plate of them rn desu

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>>12837071
it is forbidden

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Saving the best for last. 3 hours in a crockpot until they're falling off the bone, then seared and crisped in a kettle grill over coals. Lots of work, but worth it.

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>>12837088 (repeating digits)
Guess so

>> No.12837123

>>12837054
There is nothing you said that refutes my claim or anthropogenic warming. Your articles literally argue and show evidence of anthropogenic activity causing and severely exacerbating your mindless shit about currents that you still fail to show any actual evidence of outweighing AWG

Now when are you going to Google how to lose your virginity and animal agriculture global warming?

>> No.12837154

>>12837123
this is my last post. Co2 levels might be higher now than ever before, sure. But its not the CAUSE of climate change. The climate has been changing since before cars were invented; Millions of years worth of climate change and its happened drastically 100 times.

https://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/climateChange/general/causes.html
>the primary cause of global warming is not Co2 levels alone

There is
>deforestation
>jet stream and ocean currents
>the sun and earths orbit and axis
>volcanoes
>etc

There are many things that are out of our control, and things in our control, like deforestation. Ive seen hills stripped bare of all trees and not just in one place. We've been destroying the ONLY thing that can save the planet because green plants absorb Co2

Fight Me!!

>> No.12838439

>>12836874
>Good riddance, more for me.
Youtube comment-tier

>> No.12838446

>>12831977
>if you want to eat meat just eat it.
It's not like people go vegan because meat tastes bad. Meat tastes good, and he still wants to experience that type of flavour, but not at the expense of a living thing.
>I'd be more inclined to eat vegan if people actually showcased vegan food that isnt trying go imitate meat or cheese.
No you wouldn't

>> No.12838451

>>12830258
>Perhaps it's some sort of biological imperative to eat meat?
Yeah. Most of them just don't like the killing part to get the meat. A lot of people who eat meat will still admit that part of it is unpleasant, even if it's necessary. A lot of vegans will start eating lab-grown meat when it's available though, because it's technically real meat, but nothing had to be killed for it.

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>I'm not a VEGAN KEK but I still love animals tho :)

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>>12838439
kill yourself vegan

>> No.12838470

>>12832487
What the fuck? Where do you live that lab grown meats are available in supermarkets, let alone even slightly affordable.

>> No.12838476

>>12832487
You're confusing already available plant-based "meat" with lab-grown meat. Lab-grown meat is still being developed, it's not available for purchase yet, and is actually real meat being produced through culturing.

>> No.12838484

>>12838469
Not vegan, smoothbrain

>> No.12838512

>>12838469
those peppers are going to slide out with each bite, i think you should cut them into smaller pieces

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>>12838484
Sorry, vegetarian

>>12838512
Not if you've got big hands

>> No.12838565

>>12838556
Nah, meat eater. You're just a retard who makes shitty wings

>> No.12838567

>>12833033
I lost a ton of weight on keto then gained it back in a year

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>>12838565
wtf I hate wings now

>> No.12838578

>>12835008
female dicks*

>> No.12838582

>>12836056
I made this point in my podcast last week. It's good to know lots of other people work out these conclusions.
Nothing is solved by veganism. slaughtered animals just go off because less people to buy them so they get thrown in the bin instead of giving someone nutrition.
It has to be an "everyone or no one" system to be viable and it will never be everyone.

>> No.12838591

>>12838470
This. I've never seen it myself in person.

>> No.12838593

I dont think that guy is a vegan though? Ive seen a couple of videos and he seems to know in decent detail what meat should taste like. Hes just making faux meat for fun. Lighten up ffs.

>> No.12838598

>>12830258
You're basing your assumptions exclusively on people making videos about themselves online or trying to make a living advertising dumb crap to naive people. That's not a sensible thing to do. I would suggest getting off the internet for a bit, as they should too but you do you anon.

>> No.12838604

>>12830018
Looks like it was microwaved inside a wet towel.

>> No.12838606

>>12838582
If meat consumption reduces humans will slaughter less animals based on what they sell. You're implying that everything's fixed and the butcher doesn't look at their stall at the end of the day thinking about how to waste less money.
This being said, I agree with you about KFC being terrible to animals and american vegans being a joke if they just go there to have imitation chicken.

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>>12833003
This stuff is pretty good actually, it's not like meat but I like to eat it

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>>12838556
>>12837088
Namefags, not even once.

>> No.12838618

>>12833012
It's weird because Ellen White even said that too much sugar was worse than eating meat

>> No.12838678

>>12830018
why he gotta cumstain on his cheek

>> No.12838686

>>12832482
yikes

>> No.12838720

>>12838678
haven't you seen soy rash before?

>> No.12838759

>>12838606
>u're implying that everything's fixed and the butcher doesn't look at their stall at the end of the day thinking about how to waste less money.
You're right that this would work if it was still small butchers, running small businesses and making these good decisions... but it's not.
Huge supermarkets fuck this up very frequently. They won't reduce stock because that leaves the potential to run out of stock which they don't want.They don't care about the minute amount of money wasted by not selling produce that goes bad.
In the UK on a Sunday, stores close at 16:00. Go in at 15:50 and there is a shole half aisle dedicated to reduced produce. There is always a huge amount of meat left after people have gone through about bought the discounted meat. Staff are only going to take so much home. The rest is thorn into waste as mandate.
We're all part of the problem, I'd be happy to just use a small local butcher to buy local produce, but I'm not going to when super markets make it cheaper and easier. Because me making a change won't make a difference. If I stopped buying meat from huge chains, I'm still funding them when I buy other groceries and they will still use that funding for their meat products.
I did go to a farm shop on Saturday, bought some of their farmed eggs a couple onions, one onion was half rotten inside. This is the other problem when the friendly local alternative is shit and just as expensive because they are a niche and don't have enough regular custom to be viable.

>> No.12838785

>>12832482
based anon, I hope one day we will dance around the fire

>> No.12838863

>>12830258
Literally what I was gonna fucking write. If you are a stone-cold vegan, who hates that animals are killed for food, so you avoid meat and poultry and won't wear even leather or buy ANY products make from animals. Why in the world would you want to recreate an 'accurate' taste of cooked animal flesh/muscle?

For what purpose?

>> No.12838894

>>12838759
You can get your groceries from small shops and have locally grown food anon. It's sad that you got unlucky with your latest farm shopping but there are some good people selling their produce out there. Try another market or farmer.
Be the change you want to see in the world.

>> No.12838936

>>12830258
Not a vegan but... yeah. We DO have a biological imperative to eat some meat with our plant based foods. A lot of vegans however become vegan because they have moral qualms with "exploiting" animals. For them "fake meat" is the ideal solution.

I don't get why veganism is the hip new meme over vegetarianism though. There are perfectly morally sound ways to keep cows and extract their milk, or to get honey from a beehive. And let's not forget that unfertilized chickens drop eggs all the damned time, so it'd practically be a waste to not eat them.

>> No.12840027

>>12830018
I've listened to some of his videos while working because they popped up in my reccomended. I hate how he erything he makes is "good" and "meaty." And It makes me cringe whever he overjoyfully says, "I coulld definately fool some meat eaters with this!!!" Or some variant, implying he would put some weird shit into someones food without telling them.

A vegan cousin did this to me before when I was a teenager and it was really creepy. She was staring at me intently just to tell me what I had eaten wasn't real chicken. Instantly made me guess the other ingredients she might have snuck in and it made me feel queasy. I would have tried it if she said it before hand, but she got off on being secretive or something. Her 4 year old kid at the time was also ""vegan"" and was the smallest damn 4 year old I had ever seen.

>> No.12840041

>>12840027
>Her 4 year old kid at the time was also ""vegan"" and was the smallest damn 4 year old I had ever seen

thats borderline child abuse. I hate parents who force their kids on some meme diet, the child cant give consent or know any better. Kids need all the nutrients they can get for brain development, its a very crucial time. Proteins, amino acids, omega oils...

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>>12836932
Which one?

>> No.12840552

>>12830258
this. stop cheating, you cunts. you made your bed, now lie in it.

>> No.12842253

>>12840041
Yeah, it was pretty sad. That was a bit over a decade ago so she'd be 14-15 now. Wonder if shes even still alive. No one talks about that cousin anymore. She gave me a card to visit her vegan resturaunt but I never went.