/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12591792]

>drinking coffee

[Anonymous No.12591820]

>>12591792
I cant stop watching this gif

[Anonymous No.12592612]

People who self-identify as 'coffee snobs' should be lined up and shot. Goddamn, they're so annoying. They base their entire personalities off of what kind of coffee they drink and judge others harshly for having 'no taste' when in reality drinking coffee is one of the most tasteless things you could do. Drinking coffee once a day or more basically just means you're a degenerate caffeine-addicted junkie.
>hurr I only drink organic civet coffee. it costs $17,000 per pound and only grows in the most remote regions of Thailand
>DAE hate hate HATE Kuerig? gibe upboats plox! :)
>Ah-ah-ah, not until I've had my COFFEE!
SHUT THE FUCK UP OH MY GOD FUCK

[Anonymous No.12592624]

>>12592612
I AM a coffee junkie/snob, but I was never into the fancy stuff. No bullshit for me thanks - I just take it with a splash of milk. Coffee is only good when it's fresh too.

[Anonymous No.12592634]

>>12592624
Coffee's disgusting unless it's a Starbucks Frappe, thanks and don't respond to my posts anymore

[Anonymous No.12592639]

>>12592634
Have sex

[Anonymous No.12592648]

>>12592639
...with you? N-never! I'd never debase myself with a disgusting coffee drinker.

[Anonymous No.12592659]

>>12592648
No, fuck off

[Anonymous No.12592660]

Humans can turn anything into an elitist, exclusionary hobby.
Even hating on others for having elitist, exclusionary hobbies is -- itself -- an elitist, exclusionary hobby.

[Anonymous No.12592742]

>>12592648

But imagine the wonders! Do you know of the deliciousness of tiramisu? I could show you...

[Anonymous No.12592753]

I have to have only two cups a day, because before i even finish half of the third one i am dehydrated, i have a headache, and my anxiety comes back.

[Anonymous No.12592779]

>>12592660
>>12592660
Is making a point about elitist, exclusionary hobbiest an exclusionary hobby?

[Anonymous No.12592795]

>>12591820
It looks like it's from Bokusatsu Tenshi. Angels get explosive diarrhea if they lose their halo. It's a gem. "And she's too big to stuff in a coin locker."

>>12591792
How the hell can you not like coffee. Stop drinking Folgers. Use fresh, good quality beans. I bet you're one of those man-children who won't eat onions.

[Anonymous No.12592849]

>>12592612
>introduced to something
>hmm it's pretty good
>start partaking in it more often
>have a really good experience eventually
>"whoa how did they do that?"
>become intimately familiar through research and experimentation
>attempt to spread the word
>"HurRR fuCK oFf sNoBBs r GhEYyyyy"

kk you can just tell someone that's really interested in something that it doesn't interest you. You actually don't have to sperg out because someone expresses an avid interest in something. You might actually learn something if you do listen though.

[Anonymous No.12592967]

>>12592849
Word of advice: If you ever find yourself defending cat shit coffee, you're a part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.12592969]

>>12592849
Please reread my post very carefully.
There's a difference between simple, modest enthusiasts and "coffee snobs."

[Anonymous No.12593005]

>>12592639
dilate with nigger trannies.
t. based zoomer

[Anonymous No.12593071]

Would anyone on this planet ever have actually started drinking coffee if it didn't have caffeine in it? It's just bitter water, people only drink decaf coffee if they've already been addicted to the caffeine once so they therefore associate the bitter taste with the dopamine release of caffeine.

[Anonymous No.12593082]

>Drinking coffee

[Anonymous No.12593098]

>>12593071
you have to be 18 to post here anon

[Anonymous No.12593156]

>>12593098
I mean if you need caffeine to function, more power to you. It's just silly pretending coffee is more than that though, hence why this entire coffee is "art" culture sprung up, since you can use art to justify anything.

[Anonymous No.12593303]

what's even the point of drinking coffee when there's far more efficient ways of getting your caffeine intake?
especially when you can now get your caffeine without having to chug foul-tasting sludge?

[Anonymous No.12593313]

>>12593071
>It's just bitter water

Yes and? That's the reason to drink coffee. It tastes good.

[Anonymous No.12593316]

My sister brought me a bag of whole bean "perfect blend" she got as a favor at some wedding with no info on bag, so I'm expecting oily dark roast charcoal but it's actually mild roast and fruity. I wish I could get some more.

>>12592967
>cat shit coffee
Yesterday as I was considering checking the prices of a small bag, I came across an article explaining why it isn't special anymore, especially the farmed sort. Has anyone here actually tried it?

[Anonymous No.12593454]

could cheap instant coffee be irritating my skin for some reason?

[Anonymous No.12593458]

>Drinking coffee once a day or more basically just means you're a degenerate caffeine-addicted junkie.

[Anonymous No.12593513]

>>12592612
I like this post a latte.

[Anonymous No.12593547]

>>12591792
Isn't this post just trying to say coffee makes you shit?

[Anonymous No.12593551]

>>12593547
It cleans you out like nothing else. My favorite effect of coffee

[Anonymous No.12593599]

>>12593551
I don't think it works on me.

[Anonymous No.12593602]

>>12593599
it only seems to affect about half of coffee drinkers that way. it could also depend on the coffee itself and how strong you make it, and some other things.

[Anonymous No.12593624]

>>12593602
Shame. I wish it did for me.

[Anonymous No.12593629]

>>12593599
Have you tried upping the dosage? I drink about 6 shots of espresso every morning and I usually have to head to the bathroom soon after

[Anonymous No.12593839]

>>12592639

DIE-LATE

[Anonymous No.12593862]

>>12593156
>I don't like coffee therefore nobody actually likes coffee
Holy fuck, you faggots are truly annoying. Go have your candy/soda/whatever the hell you're into and leave coffee drinkers alone, manchild.

[Anonymous No.12593867]

>>12593303
Because, pro-tip, we like the taste of it, manchild.

[Anonymous No.12593888]

>>12592612
>caffeine addiction
1950's housewife-tier meme

[Anonymous No.12593902]

>>12593888
How? Having too much caffeine can give you bad headaches and make you feel completely exhausted for days if you stop having it.

[Anonymous No.12593911]

>>12593888
there are people who can't function without drinking like 3 liters of coffee a day, it's a very real thing

[Anonymous No.12594270]

>>12593071
>It's just bitter water
Bitter hot bean water.

[Anonymous No.12594285]

>>12591820
It's cocktease anime with funny faces and gore

[Anonymous No.12594289]

>>12593902
>>12593911
https://teens.drugabuse.gov/blog/post/caffeine-really-addictive

[Anonymous No.12594292]

>>12593551
I hate it. It makes me shit, but it's that sludgy hot lava shit that takes an eternity to wipe away. Also stomach cramps.

[Anonymous No.12594701]

>>12594270
>a cherry seed is a legume

Yeah, I don;t think so sweaty.

[Anonymous No.12594736]

>>12592660
My hobby? Letting people know their post was based.

[Anonymous No.12594914]

So why does coffee make people shit? It never happens to me

[Anonymous No.12594926]

>>12592779
Yes, the ladder goes on forever anon, we are elitist exclusionaries about elitist exclusionary hobbyists making a point of elitist exclusionary hobbies.

[Anonymous No.12594927]

>>12593458
Yes, that's true, what's your point, everyone already knows that...

[Anonymous No.12594942]

>>12592612
Whens the last time youve had a conversation with a normal person outdoors? Read what you just wrote out loud. Now imagine yourself saying this in front of a group of people. Now go hang yourself for being so retarded

[Anonymous No.12595010]

>>12594927
His point is you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.12595027]

>>12594927
Also claiming "that's true" is not proof for your claim.

[Anonymous No.12595044]

>>12595010
>>12595027
If you're not addicted you can stop drinking it for over a month straight then, right? You can prove that, right?

[Anonymous No.12595059]

>>12595044
I could but I have no reason to do so.

[Anonymous No.12595076]

>>12595059
Claiming "I could" is not proof for your claim.

[Anonymous No.12595085]

>>12595076
Burden of proof is not on me, I'm not the one claiming that people who drink coffee are addicted to it.

[Anonymous No.12595629]

>>12594927
>>12595044

There is a popular health-culture that circulates mistaken ideas about nutrition, and coffee drinking has been a perennial target of this culture. It is commonly said that coffee is a drug, not a food, and that its drug action is harmful, and that this harm is not compensated by any nutritional benefit. Most physicians subscribe to most of these “common sense” ideas about coffee, and form an authoritative barrier against the assimilation of scientific information about coffee.

I think it would be good to reconsider coffee’s place in the diet and in health care.

Coffee drinkers have a lower incidence of thyroid disease, including cancer, thannon-drinkers.

Caffeine protects the liver from alcohol and acetaminophen (Tylenol) and other toxins, and coffee drinkers are less likely than people who don’t use coffee to have elevated serum enzymes and other indications of liver damage.

Caffeine protects against cancer caused by radiation, chemical carcinogens, viruses, and estrogens.

Caffeine synergizes with progesterone, and increases its concentration in blood and tissues.

Cystic breast disease is not caused by caffeine, in fact caffeine’s effects are likely to be protective; a variety of studies show that coffee, tea, and caffeine are protective against breast cancer.

Coffee provides very significant quantities of magnesium, as well as other nutrients including vitamin B1.

Caffeine “improves efficiency of fuel use” and performance: JC Wagner 1989.

Coffee drinkers have a low incidence of suicide.

Caffeine supports serotonin uptake in nerves, and inhibits blood platelet aggregation.

Coffee drinkers have been found to have lower cadmium in tissues; coffee making removes heavy metals from water.

Coffee inhibits iron absorption if taken with meals, helping to prevent iron overload.

[Anonymous No.12595636]

>>12595629
Caffeine, like niacin, inhibits apoptosis, protecting against stress-induced cell death, without interfering with normal cell turnover.

Caffeine can prevent nerve cell death.

Coffee (or caffeine) prevents Parkinson’s Disease (Ross, et al., 2000).

The prenatal growth retardation that can be caused by feeding large amounts of caffeine is prevented by supplementing the diet with sugar.

Caffeine stops production of free radicals by inhibiting xanthine oxidase, an important factor in tissue stress.

Caffeine lowers serum potassium following exercise; stabilizes platelets, reducing thromboxane production.

One definition of a vitamin is that it is an organic chemical found in foods, the lack of which causes a specific disease, or group of diseases. A variety of substances that have been proposed to be vitamins haven’t been recognized as being essential, and some substances that aren’t essential are sometimes called vitamins. Sometimes these issues haven’t had enough scientific investigation, but often nonscientific forces regulate nutritional ideas.

The definition of “a disease” isn’t as clear as text-book writers have implied, and “causality” in biology is always more complex than we like to believe.

[Anonymous No.12595646]

>>12595636
Nutrition textbooks flatly describe caffeine as a drug, not a nutrient, as if it were obvious that nutrients can’t be drugs. Any of the essential nutrients, if used in isolation, can be used as a drug, for a specific effect on the organism that it wouldn’t normally have when eaten as a component of ordinary food. And natural foods contain thousands of chemicals, other than the essential nutrients. Many of these are called nonessential nutrients, but their importance is being recognized increasingly. The truth is that we aren’t sure what they “aren’t essential” for. Until we have more definite knowledge about the organism I don’t think we should categorize things so absolutely as drugs or nutrients.

The bad effects ascribed to coffee usually involve administering large doses in a short period of time. While caffeine is commonly said to raise blood pressure, this effect is slight, and may not occur during the normal use of coffee. Experimenters typically ignore essential factors. Drinking plain water can cause an extreme rise in blood pressure, especially in old people, and eating a meal (containing carbohydrate) lowers blood pressure. The increased metabolic rate caffeine produces increases the cellular consumption of glucose, so experiments that study the effects of coffee taken on an empty stomach are measuring the effects of increased temperature and metabolic rate, combined with increased adrenaline (resulting from the decrease of glucose), and so confuse the issue of caffeine’s intrinsic effects.

In one study (Krasil’nikov, 1975), the drugs were introduced directly into the carotid artery to study the effects on the blood vessels in the brain. Caffeine increased the blood volume in the brain, while decreasing the resistance of the vessels, and this effect is what would be expected from its stimulation of brain metabolism and the consequent increase in carbon dioxide, which dilates blood vessels.

[Anonymous No.12595651]

>>12595646
Many studies over the last 30 years have shown caffeine to be highly protective against all kinds of carcinogenesis, including estrogen’s carcinogenic effects on the breast. Caffeine is now being used along with some of the standard cancer treatments, to improve their effects or to reduce their side effects. There are substances in the coffee berry besides caffeine that protect against mutations and cancer, and that have shown strong therapeutic effects against cancer. Although many plant substances are protective against mutations and cancer, I don’t know of any that is as free of side effects as coffee.

To talk about caffeine, it’s necessary to talk about uric acid. Uric acid, synthesized in the body, is both a stimulant and a very important antioxidant, and its structure is very similar to that of caffeine. A deficiency of uric acid is a serious problem. Caffeine and uric acid are in the group of chemicals called purines.

Purines (along with pyrimidines) are components of the nucleic acids, DNA and RNA, but they have many other functions. In general, substances related to purines are stimulants, and substances related to pyrimidines are sedatives.

When the basic purine structure is oxidized, it becomes in turn hypoxanthine, xanthine, and uric acid, by the addition of oxygen atoms. When methyl groups (CH3) are added to nitrogens in the purine ring, the molecule becomes less water soluble. Xanthine (an intermediate in purine metabolism) has two oxygen atoms, and when three methyl groups are added, it becomes trimethyl xanthine, or caffeine. With two methyl groups, it is theophylline, which is named for its presence in tea. We have enzyme systems which can add and subtract methyl groups; for example, when babies are given theophylline, they can convert it into caffeine.

[Anonymous No.12595654]

>>12595651
We have enzymes that can modify all of the methyl groups and oxygen atoms of caffeine and the other purine derivatives. Caffeine is usually excreted in a modified form, for example as a methylated uric acid.

One of the ways in which uric acid functions as an “antioxidant” is by modifying the activity of the enzyme xanthine oxidase, which in stress can become a dangerous source of free radicals. Caffeine also restrains this enzyme. There are several other ways in which uric acid and caffeine (and a variety of intermediate xanthines) protect against oxidative damage. Coffee drinkers, for example, have been found to have lower levels of cadmium in their kidneys than people who don’t use coffee, and coffee is known to inhibit the absorption of iron by the intestine, helping to prevent iron overload.

Toxins and stressors often kill cells, for example in the brain, liver, and immune system, by causing the cells to expend energy faster than it can be replaced. There is an enzyme system that repairs genetic damage, called “PARP.” The activation of this enzyme is a major energy drain, and substances that inhibit it can prevent the death of the cell. Niacin and caffeine can inhibit this enzyme sufficiently to prevent this characteristic kind of cell death, without preventing the normal cellular turnover; that is, they don’t produce tumors by preventing the death of cells that aren’t needed.

The purines are important in a great variety of regulatory processes, and caffeine fits into this complex system in other ways that are often protective against stress. For example, it has been proposed that tea can protect against circulatory disease by preventing abnormal clotting, and the mechanism seems to be that caffeine (or theophylline) tends to restrain stress-induced platelet aggregaton.

[Anonymous No.12595655]

>>12595085
"something does exist" and "something cannot/does not" exist are both positive statements and both require proof, we've already had this thread on /sci/ a million times. You saying "caffeine addiction doesn't exist" requires just as much proof as "caffeine addiction does exist". Purden of proof is a materialist copout memephrase desu, has no basis in reality

[Anonymous No.12595658]

>>12595654
Possibly more important than coffee’s ability to protect the health is the way it does it. The studies that have tried to gather evidence to show that coffee is harmful, and found the opposite, have provided insight into several diseases. For example, coffee’s effects on serotonin are very similar to carbon dioxide’s, and the thyroid hormone’s. Noticing that coffee drinking is associated with a low incidence of Parkinson’s disease could focus attention on the ways that thyroid and carbon dioxide and serotonin, estrogen, mast cells, histamine and blood clotting interact to produce nerve cell death.

Thinking about how caffeine can be beneficial across such a broad spectrum of problems can give us a perspective on the similarities of their underlying physiology and biochemistry, expanding the implications of stress, biological energy, and adaptability.

The observation that coffee drinkers have a low incidence of suicide, for example, might be physiologically related to the large increase in suicide rate among people who use the newer antidepressants called “serotonin reuptake inhibitors.” Serotonin excess causes several of the features of depression, such as learned helplessness and reduced metabolic rate, while coffee stimulates the uptake (inactivation or storage) of serotonin, increases metabolic energy, and tends to improve mood. In animal studies, it reverses the state of helplessness or despair, often more effectively than so-called antidepressants.

[Anonymous No.12595668]

>>12595658
Caffeine has remarkable parallels to thyroid and progesterone, and the use of coffee or tea can help to maintain their production, or compensate for their deficiency. Women spontaneously drink more coffee premenstrually, and since caffeine is known to increase the concentration of progesterone in the blood and in the brain, this is obviously a spontaneous and rational form of self-medication, though medical editors like to see things causally reversed, and blame the coffee drinking for the symptoms it is actually alleviating. Some women have noticed that the effect of a progesterone supplement is stronger when they take it with coffee. This is similar to the synergy between thyroid and progesterone, which is probably involved, since caffeine tends to locally activate thyroid secretion by a variety of mechanisms, increasing cyclic AMP and decreasing serotonin in thyroid cells, for example, and also by lowering the systemic stress mediators.

Medical editors like to publish articles that reinforce important prejudices, even if, scientifically, they are trash. The momentum of a bad idea can probably be measured by the tons of glossy paper that have gone into its development. Just for the sake of the environment, it would be nice if editors would try to think in terms of evidence and biological mechanisms, rather than stereotypes.

[Anonymous No.12595672]

>>12595655
Burden of proof is valid, invalid, and neither

[Anonymous No.12595700]

>>12591792
Iced caramel macchiatos should be given to everyone for free

[Anonymous No.12596024]

>>12595700
>we need to increase the number of fatties

[Anonymous No.12596544]

>>12592969
yeah the point was I really don't trust you to tell that difference because your snob alarm is too sensitive

[Anonymous No.12596726]

>>12593316
>I wish I could get some more.
Call up the bride or groom and ask them what the blend was

[Anonymous No.12596738]

>>12595629
>>12595636
>>12595646
>>12595651
>>12595654
>>12595658
>>12595668
>all this cope

[Anonymous No.12596926]

>>12596738
>scientific studies are cope
cope

[Anonymous No.12596962]

>>12596738
Have fun with your caffeine deficiency

[Anonymous No.12597451]

>>12594736
based post

[Anonymous No.12597551]

>tfw quit coffee, tea, and chocolate one year ago
>tfw no longer a slave to the narcotic bean
>tfw consistently high energy level for over 18 hours a day
>tfw sleep better than I have in years
>tfw jump out of bed and ready to go
>tfw my vision has improved
>tfw living clean with no mood-altering substances whatsoever
You, too, can make the leap, bros.

[Anonymous No.12598352]

>he doesn't drink one of the best beverages on the planet

[Anonymous No.12598383]

>>12598352
but I do drink water?

[Anonymous No.12598525]

>>12597551
Why would I?

>>12595629
>>12595636
>>12595646
>>12595651
>>12595654
>>12595658
>>12595668
based and sciencepilled

[Anonymous No.12598552]

>>12592634
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.12598829]

>>12594942
>the things people say on 4chan should always be like the things they say in real life
then why even bother with the whole anonymity bit?
pretty sure calling people retarded and telling them to hang themselves would garner just as much social backlash irl as saying coffee snobs should be lined up and shot

[Anonymous No.12598963]

>>12595629
based and redpilled poster