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Can an American explain something to me. Why do blacks over there always make fun of whites for their food being bland and unseasoned, when black “soul” food isn’t much better? Could just be an internet thing but I always see blacks saying that white food is unseasoned and lacks spice yet soul food is just insipid. Do all Americans just have weak palates to consider this good? I wonder how blacks would react if they ate actual spicy food

>> No.12559065

>>12559051
American blacks have an inferiority complex and must always compare themselves to whites for some reason, while white people don't really think about black people's daily lives.

>> No.12559075

>>12559051
They all believe this meme, unironically. The other day I went to a sea food joint with a couple of black coworkers and before I could even order one of them says, "ay yo get this boy the cajun seasoning! Don't be scared to get a little color in you!". I was literally about order it with cajun. I just laughed but inside I was SEETHING with white anger.

>> No.12559077

>>12559051
People who only eat spicy food (e.g. african-americans) are unable to appreciate western-style cooking which is seasoned mostly with herbs and has a more subtle flavour.

>> No.12559082

>>12559075
>Anonymous 06/29/19(Sat)14:29:46 No.12559051▶>>12559065 >>12559075
>Can an American explain something to me. Why do blacks over there always make fun of whites for their food being bland and unseasoned, when black “soul” food isn’t much better? Could just be an internet thing but I always see blacks saying that white food is unseasoned and lacks spice yet soul food is just insipid. Do all Americans just have weak palates to consider this good? I wonder how blacks would react if they ate actual spicy food
>>>
they expected you to overheat or something? how hot is cajun sauce?

>> No.12559084

>>12559051
t. white american mad someone made fun of him for not eating spicy food
quit larping faggot you're not fooling anybody

>> No.12559086

>>12559075
We have a word for that kind of person, but /ck/s Jannie doesn't like it

>> No.12559089

>>12559082
Not hot at all. American blacks are just daft.

>> No.12559095

>>12559086
Naggers?

>> No.12559096
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>>12559077
>flavour
>>12559089
>daft

What the fuck are you doing

>> No.12559108

>>12559096
>people who spell words the correct way are soy

>> No.12559111

>>12559108
The frog gif was just convenient. “Soy” wasn’t really my implication

>> No.12559115

>>12559111
I don't really understand what you're getting at anon but I hope you have a good day free of melanin

>> No.12559120

>>12559115
Non-American speaking is if they are some authority on black Americans, or an American using foreign spellings and words. Either is cringe

>> No.12559124

>>12559065
Goyim have an inferiority complex and must always compare themselves to Jews for some reason, while Jews don't really think about goyim daily lives.

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>>12559065

>> No.12559216

>>12559084
Not white or American. I’m indian. I was just curious. I’ve been to the states and the only type of food I thought was decent was Mexican food. You all have bad taste

>> No.12559224

>>12559216
Did you poo in the loo?

>> No.12559229

>>12559124
That's stupid. Where do find people like that except on /pol/?

>> No.12559252

>>12559224
Yh

>> No.12559266

Does nobody understand it has nothing to do with how spicy the food is? They're saying black food is heavier on flavor (spices, seasoning) than white food. Every soul food place I've been to has Texas Pete or those peppers in vinegar on the table. Nothing spicy.

>> No.12559270

>>12559266
Them hot sauces is too spicy for white boys

>> No.12559276

>>12559120
I've lived all over the world anon, I wager I could talk more shit about ten different countries cultures than you could your own

>> No.12559277

>>12559124
Jews actually have power on Earth though, but that's still mostly/pol/

>> No.12559285

Black people coat their frozen Walmart chicken in lemon pepper and that's considered flavor.

They don't actually like interesting and flavorful food. Most of the black people I've known were very picky eaters who had a reason they wouldn't eat most things. They like well done steak, fried chicken, mac and cheese, and french fries. And who the fuck else doesn't?

>> No.12559286

>>12559276
I’m sure there are plenty of things you “could” do. That doesn’t make it any less cringe when you do them.

>> No.12559294

>>12559266
seasoning gives me and everyone else I know the runs. that's why Taco Bell has the reputation that it has. don't blame whites because we can't digest certain foods.

>> No.12559321

>>12559051
blacks eat cheap shitty food and can't cook so they don't want to actually taste anything. Sushi per example boggles the negro brain

>> No.12559333
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12559333

>>12559321
this. pic related is perfectly seasoned. you need to be able to savor the natural flavor of the meat and vegetables.

>> No.12559334

>>12559266
Then why do they use shit spices for chicken in america?

>> No.12559335

Everybody above this post minus op was successfully trolled.

>> No.12559348

>>12559051
It's because white American moms can't cook for shit and make bland as fuck food like unseasoned chicken breast.

>> No.12559351

>>12559348
seasonings just cover up the natural taste of food and drown it out. learn to cook.

>> No.12559370

>>12559216
0/10

>> No.12559384

>>12559334
Like what?

>> No.12559519

Black "people" are some of the pickiest eaters I've ever met also i think they need to have heavy seasoning on their food because of all the menthol cigarettes they smoke fucks up their taste buds

>> No.12559531

>>12559051
I don't hang around blacks at all, so it could just be an internet meme but probably isn't. There are a few factors that play into this. Low income Americans in general, not just blacks, buy poor quality foods that need to be covered in heavy seasoning, hot sauce, or other condiments to become palatable. The type of poor folk who live in an endless poverty-welfare cycle in trailers and section 8 housing, have no cooking abilities and make no effort to learn how to cook. This is out of laziness, stupidity, never having learned any kind of cooking skills growing up, and often genuinely not realizing that food can taste good. Many spend their entire lives in trailer courts or the urban ghetto, never leaving the county lines. They've only ever eaten highly processed, extremely low quality foods, and going to Longhorns or Applebees is a huge deal and fancy night out. No one in their circle knows better, so they really believe the type of food they eat is as good as it gets. Blacks in particular are seemingly predisposed to slathering their food in hot sauce and cayenne seasoning mixes over ketchup, mustard, and mild BBQ sauce. When they see poor whites eat buttered sketti with hotdogs and some ketchup it blows their minds. Or steamed peas and boiled potatoes with just salt or something like that. You'll notice they never post a photo of haute French cuisine or mediterranean dishes, rather they post photos of boiled hotdogs and frozen chicken nuggets. They are barely aware that flavorful, non-poverty food exists but ar vaguely aware that white cuisine around the world isn't slathered in hot sauce and cajun seasoning, and therefore it's all bland wypipo food. Hope this helps OP and non-Americans.

>> No.12559533

They want to get a rise out of white people. Same as the 'white people don't wash their meat' meme. It's best to ignore it and let them wallow in their own frustration.

>> No.12559561

I don't know about America but in England, Caribbean black food is pretty good and quite oily and spicy. So they compare that to their white next-door neighbour's food, who is cooking something like frozen breaded fish/chicken fillets, frozen chips, frozen peas, baked beans, ready meals etc. and they think, wow white people don't know about food. And there is truth in it because working class white people somehow lost the ability to cook and lost all their traditional recipes, instead chasing whatever new fashionable foreign food is in vogue. It's as though cooking traditional budget food became unfashionable. Obviously it's not that all black households have excellent cooks but I think that they, at least when I was growing up, retained some of their traditional stuff whilst the white people shunned a lot of theirs.

>> No.12559577

>>12559531
woah buddy sounding pretty racist there

>> No.12559602

Their taste buds are completely fucked from smoking, I have a few black friends and they’re constantly smoking blunts and Newport menthols. That’s why they love hot sauce and really sweet things.

>> No.12559605

It's a dumb meme. Black people fucking cake on the spices almost at random imagine cooking chicken and just randomly dumping 10 different spice blends all with salt as the first ingredient and thinking it's good. White people use actual herbs and spices. Black people have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to this.

>> No.12559607

>>12559270
I'm a white from flyover country and I'm sure you cannot handle spice like me.

>> No.12559610
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>>12559531
>I don't hang around blacks at all, so it could just be an internet meme but probably isn't. There are a few factors that play into this. Low income Americans in general, not just blacks, buy poor quality foods that need to be covered in heavy seasoning, hot sauce, or other condiments to become palatable. The type of poor folk who live in an endless poverty-welfare cycle in trailers and section 8 housing, have no cooking abilities and make no effort to learn how to cook. This is out of laziness, stupidity, never having learned any kind of cooking skills growing up, and often genuinely not realizing that food can taste good. Many spend their entire lives in trailer courts or the urban ghetto, never leaving the county lines. They've only ever eaten highly processed, extremely low quality foods, and going to Longhorns or Applebees is a huge deal and fancy night out. No one in their circle knows better, so they really believe the type of food they eat is as good as it gets. Blacks in particular are seemingly predisposed to slathering their food in hot sauce and cayenne seasoning mixes over ketchup, mustard, and mild BBQ sauce. When they see poor whites eat buttered sketti with hotdogs and some ketchup it blows their minds. Or steamed peas and boiled potatoes with just salt or something like that. You'll notice they never post a photo of haute French cuisine or mediterranean dishes, rather they post photos of boiled hotdogs and frozen chicken nuggets. They are barely aware that flavorful, non-poverty food exists but ar vaguely aware that white cuisine around the world isn't slathered in hot sauce and cajun seasoning, and therefore it's all bland wypipo food. Hope this helps OP and non-Americans.

>> No.12559615

i dont know i just know thats pretty crazy

>> No.12559633

>>12559577
I honestly tried not to make my explanation racist. The point is that all generationally impoverished Americans don't understand quality food. It just seems that blacks in particular prefer spicy things as their method of covering up the shit taste of shit food.

>> No.12559720

>>12559531
>I don't have any experience with black people but I'm also an expert on black people
lol

>> No.12559769

>>12559720
No I have plenty of experience with black people, but I do not currently and have never socialized with any as more than acquaintances, co-workers, or customers. I'm not opposed to it. I've just never made a solid connection with a black person.

>> No.12559783

>>12559769
>There were black people at my retail job therefore I'm an expert on black people
lol x2

>> No.12559784

>>12559051
>>12559065
>>12559124
Wow, so what you're saying is /pol/ is full of insecure racists from all over the world, imagine that...

>> No.12559793

>>12559783
>school mates
>neighbors
>friends of friends
>co-workers
>customers (sales but retail isn't that far off)
You're the expert apparently, so why do black Americans make fun of white people food and call it bland?

>> No.12559815

>>12559793
it's a stereotype like black people stealing things and not being able to swim. obviously not every nigger is a thief and plenty of them know how to swim. stop getting so offended at jokes and stereotypes pussy

>> No.12559839

>>12559815
>it's a stereotype like black people stealing things and not being able to swim
>stereotype
LMAO just stop you've been around blacks less than I have clearly. I'm not offended by blacks calling white people food bland. I simply offered an explanation for why this has become a meme. And so far you cannot refute anything in that explanation.

>> No.12559949

Imagine being such a cuck that you spend all day talking about what black people do and deluded yourself into thinking you don't care what black people do. Polfags do yourself a favor and neck yourself.

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>>12559949

>> No.12560051
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>>12559972

>> No.12560114

>>12559216
As an Indian do you like Italian food?
I'm wondering because I know an actual Sicilian and he does not like Indian food, specifically curry.
My theory is that there's too many ingredients for the Italian, and possibly real Italian food may have too few ingredients for the Indian.

>> No.12560124

>>12559334
>shit spices
wtf, I heard they eat roadkill in America but didn't know they do this

>> No.12560136

>>12559561
>working class white people somehow lost the ability to cook
They started forcing their women to go work in factories.

>> No.12560143

>>12559633
Not him but what I took away from your post is poor black people use hot sauce and cajun seasoning, and poor white people use salt

>> No.12560168 [DELETED] 

>>12559051
Blacks (or niggers, as I like to call them) are low iq hypocrites with a lacking sense of self-awareness.

>> No.12560200

>>12559784
Being a faggot won’t make girls want to have sex with you.

>> No.12560216

>>12560143
>Blacks in particular are seemingly predisposed to slathering their food in hot sauce and cayenne seasoning mixes over ketchup, mustard, and mild BBQ sauce.
I meant to convey that it's common for whites to use milder condiments and seasonings. Plenty of whites, poor or otherwise, use hot sauce and enjoy spicy foods, too, but there is definitely truth in the idea that white people don't spice the ever living hell out of every meal. And that many white people who like spicy foods are not used to the level of heat in things like Indian food and other very spicy foods. The meme is clearly an exaggeration that pokes fun at these trends, but I do know people who can't even eat foods seasoned with cracked pepper, all of whom are white. Personally I'd usually prefer to eat >>12559333 the meal in that pic than spicy fried chicken, hot cheetos, and deep fried vegetables.

>> No.12560231

>>12559051
West African cuisine was traditionally never very spicy, unlike pre-Columbian Asian foods that included a wide variety of peppercorns, spicy alliums like garlic, and ginger which has some heat.

Even after the Columbian exchange West African never took to spicy food like Asians. Even East/North Africa and the Middle East today don't use that much spicy spices, compared to say, SEAs or Sri Lankans.

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>>12559051
this shit is the best

>> No.12560246

>>12560231
Go eat some Nigerian food, tell them you want it as spicy as they eat it. Then get back to us good sir.

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>>12560242
>Not Lao Gan Ma
What's wrong with you?

>> No.12560265

A lot of northern americans don't use a lot of spice in their food. I've known some people to call Black Pepper as "spicy". (Like, really?)

A lot of mid westerns are from Scandinavian backgrounds and they're known to have potato and cream-based bland foods. When they go down to the southern states, they usually get their tongues rocked out of their skulls from the massive amount of herbs and spices and sauces that most of the food is cooked or covered in. I moved from Tennessee to Minnesota and made friends and blew them all away with their first experience with sriracha. None of them could handle more than a tiny drop. It was cute and pathetic.

>> No.12560266

>>12560252
Lao Gan Ma is super fucking overrated.

>> No.12560274

>>12560246
I've had Nigerian/Ghanaian and it's literally nothing compared to Sri Lankan.

>> No.12560281

>>12560252
That shit sucks

>> No.12560294
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>>12560266
>>12560281
Look at these contrarians hating on decent food products after it gets popular with the mainstream crowd.

>> No.12560320

>>12560294
hipster ketchup, not very spicy, can literally drink from the bottle

>> No.12560344

>>12560320
I'm not saying it's spicy, I'm saying niggers here only hate it because soyboys from reddit started liking it. It's a perfectly fine and interesting flavor.

>> No.12560354

Every black person I see on the street stops me and asks why my food isn’t spicy.
It’s taking almost an hour to collect my welfare check

>> No.12560357

>>12560216
About once a year I get a bucket of chicken from kfc and I always get original not zinger.
But I do like spicy foods, just not all the time. Also I'm not poor or American.

I know people like that with the black pepper, my mother is kind of like that. Her favourite food is plain steamed vegetables, I think it's because when she was small her family had little money so they practically lived off the vegetables they grew themselves, I think it's her comfort food.

I remember being 11 or 12 and trying tomato salsa dip with tortilla chips, getting the mild hot one and feeling the chilli. Today if I get the hot salsa it's not even hot for me. Spiciness gets easier, you build up a tolerance for it.

>> No.12560363

>>12560200
Right back at you faggot

>> No.12560368

>>12560344
You sir are correct. Who gives a fuck what Reddit likes anyway.

>> No.12560461

>>12560114
Not him but I’m indian and I’m not a fan. I can see why some would like it but I only like spicy food. Thai food is nice because it can be quite spicy and Mexican is nice too.

>> No.12560466

>>12560246
You’re comparing the “spicy ness” of Nigerian and Ghanaian food to Sri Lanka food? Lmao

>> No.12560498

>>12560252
spicy grandma sucks compared to ning chi

>> No.12560518

>>12560461
What do you have on your pizza?

>> No.12560525
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>>12559051
>Why do blacks over there always make fun of whites for their food being bland
joke's on them, though

>> No.12560545

>>12560518
I don’t eat pizza, but in the past, I usually picked whatever looked the hottest. I have tried quite a few different types. Authentic Italian pizza, New York style pizza, Chicago style pizza. I guess it’s just not my thing. Not saying it was bad. I would definitely eat those pizzas again but everyone seems to love pizza all over the world and I’m sat here thinking what the big deal is

>> No.12560554

>>12560344
this desu, I like it BECAUSE it's spicy ketchup

>> No.12560570

>>12560545
Put whatever you want on it though. Whatever you think goes good with bread and cheese, you don't have to have a tomato sauce even.
They do in Australia some tandoori prawn pizza and put chutney and yoghurt and stuff like that.

>> No.12560619

>>12560570
That sounds quite good. Will look into that.

>> No.12560822

>>12559051
it's like the other anon said, economic cycles that reinforce poverty reduce your options to cheap stuff like red beans and rice, chicken, etc. I've lived in new Orleans for about two years now and there's a not a big difference between the """cultural""" foods like gumbo that get served to tourists and commodified for 15 dollars in the French quarter compared to red beans and rice that impoverished blacks eat because it's all they can afford. what they eat our of necessity is being sold as a cultural experience to the people who have never known actual hardship in their lives (and I'm not claiming to be a member of the underclass, just to be clear).

that's just my observation, not trying to pass judgement one way or another.

>> No.12560829

>>12559051
blacks just have a huge inferiority complex and it colors everything they do

>> No.12560883

>>12559065
/thread

Haven't read any other posts yet but I bet at least one person replied trying to use /pol/ as example of white people or something else that's delusional.

>> No.12561065

>>12560822
that has nothing to do with eating bland food though. cajuns were poor and they still managed to season their food.

>> No.12561081

>>12560320
>hipster

>> No.12561185

>>12560822
This right here is pretty much the closest to the truth that anyone in this thread has gotten. As far as traditional Black American soul good goes, it is an edible history of necessity. During the times of slavery, the plantation owners ate all the good cuts of food and gave the slaves the left-over slop. Intestines, hoof, skin, gristle. If you were lucky, you might get internal organs. As far as
vegetables? Weeds. Find some shit out in the field, then throw it in a pot. Every bit of food they got would've been pretty much inedible if they didn't find a way to cook it and spice it so it would go down. Back in the day, if a black person saw a white person's "bland" food and were surprised it was probably because they were amazed they didn't have yo cook it a certain way for it to be edible.

>> No.12561314

>>12561185
>b-but /pol/ said slavery was fake, so their food was fake.

>> No.12561650

>>12559561
Like boiled Mutton?

>> No.12561651

>>12561065
you're technically right and I could find a million foods from white American culture that have tons of flavor, but past a point I'd be wasting my time trying to disprove such a harmless and patently untrue generalization.

>> No.12561660

>>12561185
turkey neck is another really good example of a bad cut of meat that has to be boiled to hell and back to be tolerable. they sell turkey neck in a lot of the poorer, blacker parts of new Orleans, but you won't find them in the whiter parts of town. probably not a complete coincidence.

>> No.12561692

They think crystal hot sauce and salt is the peak of seasoning.

>> No.12561716

>>12559561
>but in England
Do wypipo really?

>> No.12561740

>>12559561
>their traditional stuff
Working British peasant food was bread, milk, butter, cheese, boiled vegetables, eating weeds like dandelion and nettle, and gruel. All the fancy "traditional" white British foods that get recorded in medieval cookbooks were only eaten by the upper classes who had servants to cook it for them.

>> No.12561836

>>12560051
>ig: turnupthewifi
Holy mother of cringe you really are a nigger aren’t you

>> No.12561857

>>12561651
it's not a baseless claim though. most white americans especially in the midwest are descended from immigrants from central and northern europe, places known for boiled meat and potato.

>> No.12562151

>>12561740
That’s probably why some of the food is a bit odd. Basically giving a bunch of retards a place to live in exchange for having them find a way to cook and make use of ever part of an animal, and make it not taste like complete shit.

>> No.12562431

>>12559051
>Why do blacks over there always make fun of whites for their food being bland and unseasoned

it's uncultured swine thinking that drowning your food in salt and spicy seasoning equates good food. Blacks don't get the concept of subtle and their 'spice cabinet' consists of the entire product line of Mrs. Dash seasoning salt.

I have a black coworker who was ecstatic upon finding a bacon jalapeno seasoning salt. I told him that it wasn't a spice and he looked baffled.

>> No.12562688

>>12561740
It was mainly bread, fish, peas, and ale. Nothing has really changed for the Brits.

>> No.12562717

>>12562431
>their 'spice cabinet' consists of the entire product line of Mrs. Dash seasoning salt.
You know nothing about black people stop lying you fucktard

>> No.12562730

>>12559051
Jesus Christ /pol/ is shitting up this fucking site. Have fun when the CIA doxxes you twats.

>> No.12562762

>>12559051
Collard greens are usually made fairly spicy, but yeah, the rest of that stuff isn't typically spicy. Maybe the chicken is spicy. I can't tell if it's supposed to be jerk or just overcooked. In any case, it's a poor attempt at banter. Most soul food is appropriated white food, anyway, so it doesn't matter if it's spicy or not, because the point is moot.

>> No.12562792

>>12559051
Go watch hot ones. The blacks with Jamaican and other islander mixed features do ok, while other blacks start doing crazy shit. Stereotypical southern white people like food bland comparatively to most others. It's a really really old meme though and not one that really works with today. Blacks tend to smother their food in hot sauce, but it's usually pretty weak hot sauce that doesn't fit how much they are boasting.

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>>12560252
>pleb detected
real shit coming through

>> No.12562828

>>12562792
>Stereotypical southern white people like food bland comparatively to most others
Spoken like someone who has never been to the south.
Maybe if you are talking stereotypical southern old money and rich folks but in general southern white people food is exactly the same as stereotypical black people food.

Because black people food is really just poor people food that blacks have appropriated.

>> No.12562841

>>12562828
>It's a really really old meme though and not one that really works with today.
How did you miss that part?

>> No.12562854

it's a fucking twitter meme that you retards took seriously

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>>12560294
>Look at these contrarians hating on decent food products after it gets popular with the mainstream crowd.
this

lao gan ma & sriracha are both great
There are just other great things too.

I wonder if people are going to start pretending sambal olek or doubanjiang suck if they start getting memed on

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*ting ting ting

Ahem

>> No.12562866

>>12562854
>implying niggers separate black twitter from real life
You sweet summer child

>> No.12562869

>>12562865
FUCK TRANSHUMAN POSTPOLITIC PRETOPTIANS

>> No.12562929

>>12559075
They're just playing with you dude. You're being hella insecure to a friendly prod.

>> No.12563056

>>12562866
most of this website has the same problem apparently

>> No.12563079

>>12559051
I like cajun and creole food, but the bland meme is just a meme, because African-American food is fairly unseasoned as well. The only difference is, most of the ingredients were the cheaper cuts/produce, but most of that has changed with gastronomic knowledge increasing over the years.

>> No.12563143

>>12559972
Why are lolicon trash always racist? Is there a correlation with being a pedophile and hating blacks?

>> No.12563185

>>12562929
just until they get used to it, only they are "allowed" to prod you (otherwise they get pissed off and lecture you later, like mom, about respekk) and do it more and more often. you will only be allowed to change that by killing that friendship as they do that more and more often, and in a more disturbing way, as time passes.

friendly prods are not like that, especially if there's no gain for anyone, or something that's against "common knowledge". the more you let them evolve, the worse it gets