/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12320097]

Why do veganfags like to pretend they’re not coping with their shitty soyburgers?

>look at us, look at how environmentally conscious we are, look how we respect Mother Nature, we totally are content with our soybased products even though we try to imitate your meat based products, were totally not coping, please give us attention haha

[Anonymous No.12320104]

>>12320097
It literally says soy free on the box.

[Anonymous No.12320106]

>>12320097
>soy free

[Anonymous No.12320108]

>accuses vegans of coping
>made a thread because of butthurt over some pea protein burgers
lmao

[Anonymous No.12320113]

>>12320097
It literally is "coping." Not in the stupid buzzword sense you're using it so much as in the actual meaning of the word. People like that want to eat meat like the rest of us but consider the slaughter industry immoral. So of course they would go for food products which offer as close as possible to the experience of eating meat without actually coming from animals killed for meat.
Not sure why people like you keep on posting this same question about why people who don't eat meat for ethical reasons would still like eating non-meat products made to resemble meat. Why wouldn't you do that if you were in their position?

[Anonymous No.12320139]

>>12320097
>pretend they’re not coping
>were totally not coping
What is with retards throwing this word around all the time now? I can't believe this caught on. Sounds dumb as shit.
>cope cope cope cope cope cope durr

[Anonymous No.12320142]

>>12320097
Vegans dont actually eat that shit. We eat meat like the rest of you, we just use these faux meats as a cover.

[Anonymous No.12320179]

>>12320139
>t. vegan

[Anonymous No.12320192]

>>12320179
No. I get plenty of meat in my diet. I just find that zoomer "cope" shit obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.12320195]

These products are to help fat fucks with no self control transition to a healthier diet. They are not meant to be eaten all the time like the typical american eats mcdonalds. Its a transition food.

[Anonymous No.12320198]

>>12320097
>coping with the existence of veggie/soy/embe burgers

[Anonymous No.12320202]

>>12320195
I don't think most people who eliminate meat from their diet are doing it for health reasons. It's more of an ethical thing.

[Anonymous No.12320204]

>>12320139
it's "u mad" iteration #9001.

[Anonymous No.12320231]

>>12320202
It's been proven that plant based diets are better for health. A lot of people are eating less meat for the health benefits as well as the environmental and ethical reasons.

[Anonymous No.12320253]

>>12320097
>Makes thread

[Anonymous No.12320265]

>>12320231
>It's been proven that plant based diets are better for health.
It hasn't if for no other reason than "better for health" isn't even a coherent claim in the first place. You'd need to get a lot more specific if you want to start talking about proof.
>A lot of people are eating less meat for the health benefits as well as the environmental and ethical reasons.
No. It's overwhelmingly an ethics thing. The health claims are more a secondary thing people already not eating meat for ethical reasons like to read about because it reinforces their ethical decision with incidental benefits.

[Anonymous No.12320290]

>>12320265
Modern science is overwhelmingly leading to the knowledge that plant based diet is the best diet for humans.

>Groundbreaking research done by Dr. Dean Ornish and Nobel Prize winner Dr. Elizabeth Blackburn found that a vegan diet caused more than 500 genes to change in only three months, turning on genes that prevent disease and turning off genes that cause breast cancer, heart disease, prostate cancer, and other diseases.

Of course people are talking about saving the billions of animals being murdered each year as well as the devastating effects the meat and dairy industry is having on the planet. With that said there are more and more people going vegan for health.

[Anonymous No.12320306]

>>12320290
>Modern science is overwhelmingly leading to the knowledge that plant based diet is the best diet for humans.
All I'm saying is you need to be more specific. "Better for health" and "best diet for humans" aren't even meaningful enough statements to be considered claims you could prove or disprove in the first place. An actual claim would be more like:
>People who eliminate meat from their diet have an X% lower risk of colon cancer compared to control population
>With that said there are more and more people going vegan for health.
Proof please. How many more people specifically are deciding to become vegan for health and not for ethical reasons, and for what particular time frame is this trend in effect?

[Anonymous No.12320321]

>>12320306
I'm not your research assistant faggot. Look up the two doctors I already mentioned and do your own reading.

I'll be more specific in my claims for you. Vegan diet is better for:
>Heart Health
>Cancer of all types
>Diabetes
>skin issues
>lymphoma
>alzheimers
to mention a few

[Anonymous No.12320330]

>>12320321
>My claims are unbacked bullshit
OK, sorry I asked then.

[Anonymous No.12320361]

>>12320330
>I don't like the conclusions of research so I'll just call it fake
Carnist logic, everybody!

[Anonymous No.12320386]

>>12320361
It's not even fake. There's no "it" at all because you're refusing to post proof, apparently because the lack of nutrition in your restricted diet doesn't leave you with enough energy to deal with actual evidence. Which is fine. Feel free to continue posting the names of doctors and vague pseudo-claims like veganism is "the best diet for humans."

[Anonymous No.12320404]

>>12320231
>It's been proven that plant based diets are better for health.
>Where's your proof?
>N-No, you can't ask me that! Shut up!
lol. Are you a real vegan or are you just claiming to be one while pretending to be retarded to make them look bad?

[Anonymous No.12320473]

>>12320290
>Groundbreaking research done by Dr. Dean Ornish and Nobel Prize winner Dr. Elizabeth Blackburn found that a vegan diet caused more than 500 genes to change in only three months, turning on genes that prevent disease and turning off genes that cause breast cancer, heart disease, prostate cancer, and other diseases.
>sourced from some vegan blogspam site
>sourced from a huffpo article
>which sources some top 20 list
>the current top rated one is actually the mediterran diet and the Ornish diet is ranked 2nd

>Forty-eight patients with moderate to severe coronary heart disease were randomized to an intensive lifestyle change group or to a usual-care control group, and 35 completed the 5-year follow-up quantitative coronary arteriography.
>Intensive lifestyle changes (10% fat whole foods vegetarian diet, aerobic exercise, stress management training, smoking cessation, group psychosocial support) for 5 years.
>More regression of coronary atherosclerosis occurred after 5 years than after 1 year in the experimental group. In contrast, in the control group, coronary atherosclerosis continued to progress and more than twice as many cardiac events occurred.

oh no it surely can't be stopping bloody smoking, doing exercise and therapy sessions, nah it's the evil meat in your diet you fucking carnist!

[Anonymous No.12320491]

It doesn't involve an animal dying, so what difference would it make to them if it resembles meat or not? The only person coping here is you for letting the fucking beyond meat burger trigger your fragile little victim complex.

[Anonymous No.12320503]

>>12320113
This. I'm not vegan, but I do think eating animal products is unethical so I try to minimize animal products in my diet and eat a lot of meat substitutes for protein. When I say unethical I mean from the utilitarian perspective of minimizing suffering, especially physical pain. A lot of the vegan movement is based around categorical ethical notions like freedom and autonomy, which I find bizarre when applied to animals.

[Anonymous No.12320510]

>>12320503
>I'm a not-a-vegan like you guys!

[Anonymous No.12320525]

>>12320510
I mean I already implies being vegan would be most ethical so it doesn't change my argument.

[Anonymous No.12320534]

>>12320097
>hyper emotional about nothing
OP has the PMS?

[Anonymous No.12320539]

>You're vegan because you don't want to kill animals? Well, if you really cared about animals you would participate in their torture murder and eat them so they don't go extinct!

[Anonymous No.12320562]

>>12320510
>centrist, or any level of non-extremist, do not exist
imagine having to tell yourself that to have some sort of argument

[Anonymous No.12320569]

>>12320097
did you actually expect vegans to not ever be OBNOXIOUS?

[Anonymous No.12320683]

>>12320503
You don't need any animal products for optimal health and to enjoy food at its fullest. If you avoid becoming full vegan because of the eating habits of your friends or family, know that someone must lead the fight against this social pressure. They will probably join you afterwards. If you avoid it for health, check https://nutritionfacts.org/ and ignore the obnoxious antivegan shilling on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.12320685]

>>12320361
I conclude that you're a huge virtue signalling faggot. Source: everyone in this thread.
There, since I listed a "source" and a conclusion, it must be true.

[Anonymous No.12320689]

There’s a lot of cope going on in this thread, desu.

[Anonymous No.12320693]

>>12320689
Stop using that word you zoomer fuck.

[Anonymous No.12320699]

>>12320693
I’m 24 years old.

[Anonymous No.12320718]

>>12320699
>2019 - 24 = 1995
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z
>Generation Z or Gen Z, also known by a number of other names, is the demographic cohort after the Millennials. Demographers and researchers typically use the mid-1990s to mid-2000s as starting birth years.

[Anonymous No.12320730]

>>12320689
Imagine slowly killing yourself with cholesterols while causing massive amount of suffering to random innocent life for absolutely no other reason that your inability to think outside social conditioning.

[Anonymous No.12320731]

>>12320718
I was born in ‘94, moron. Mid 90s my ass. Meet me irl so I can fuck you in the ass, you little pozzed faggot.

[Anonymous No.12320752]

>>12320731
94, 95, and 96 are all mid-nineties years. Anyone born as recently as the 90s is young as fuck and it's not surprising you would be going around using obnoxious newfangled buzzword slang like repeating "cope" fifty times apropos of nothing. My jacket's older than you. The nineties were so recent it's weird people born then can even walk and talk.

[Anonymous No.12320753]

>>12320730
>eat meat for thousands of years
>social conditioning
wew lad

[Anonymous No.12320757]

>>12320752
>hurr durr everyone born in the 90s is a young retard

Nice cope, grandpa.

[Anonymous No.12320760]

>>12320757
>everyone born in the 90s is a young retard
But that's true... ?

[Anonymous No.12320761]

>>12320752
look at this boomer seethe.
t. 1996anon

[Anonymous No.12320765]

>>12320761
Shouldn't you be out mowing the lawn for allowance money?

[Anonymous No.12320769]

>>12320104
If it's vegan and it has protein it's guaranteed to be legume-based, so it might as well be soy.

[Anonymous No.12320772]

>>12320361
the burden of proof lies on you, you egregious cum guzzling faggot.

[Anonymous No.12320788]

>>12320752
>My jacket's older than you. The nineties were so recent it's weird people born then can even walk and talk.
People that young posting here legitimately creeps me out too. I don't get why they didn't make their own zoomer website instead of latching onto this one. Imagine being younger than Sonic 3 or the OJ Simpson murder trial.

[Anonymous No.12320902]

>>12320097
Real vegans dont eat this shit, or try to make things look like meat. Normal food is plenty good. The only thing I would try is tofu fried like chicken but honestly trying at home is degenerate.

[Anonymous No.12320923]

>>12320902
>Real vegans dont eat this shit, or try to make things look like meat.
Yes they do. It's not like regular meat eating people are driving imitation meat sales. That's retarded. You have the same weird idea OP has that somehow having an ethical issue with animal meat should somehow result in you no longer liking the same kinds of foods everyone else does. Your tastes don't alter themselves to match your ethical views. I'm honestly really baffled at how so many of you believe this.

[Anonymous No.12320938]

>>12320923
People who are doing it to virtue signal do, I agree, but it's the same issue I have with people who say "meat tastes good". Meat tastes as good as the spices put on it or the veggies you eat with it. Someone eating veggie/vegan at home does not try to make it look like meat unless they are taking pics of it for social media. I am not vegan just my input. I'm a vegetarian at home but am not autistic and will eat meat at social gatherings. I would also be much happier eating ethical meat and would do anything to destroy commercial animal farms.

[Anonymous No.12320962]

>>12320938
Flavor isn't the only component to food. Spices wouldn't make vegetables not give me GI problems for example. Most vegetables have massive amounts of indigestible cellulose while meat is considered low residue in comparison and less trouble for people with intestinal problems.

[Anonymous No.12321024]

>>12320769
Wheat is a legume?

[Anonymous No.12321049]

>>12320962
These fake meat products are mostly textured protein and water, no cellulose.

[Anonymous No.12321055]

>>12321049
I know, the other anon was arguing in favor of using spices on regular vegetable dishes and against imitation meat.

[Anonymous No.12321058]

>>12320195
>Its a transition food.
I know exactly what xhe meant by this.

[Anonymous No.12321065]

>>12320097
>see it in grocery store
>it's like $7 for two patties
>that's specially discounted price

[Anonymous No.12321068]

>>12320097
Why do you care so much what other people do?

[Anonymous No.12321070]

>>12320097
I don't dislike the taste.
I dislike the fact it's a dead animal.
So if a vegan burger is
>tasty
>nutritious
>healthy
>less wasteful (animal agriculture is at least 10 times more wasteful and destructive)
Then why you mad?
>b-but mu ancestors, muh tastebuds, muh peepee poopoo caca
Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12321072]

>>12320962
Kill yourself. Or at least make sure you dont breed. How the fuck are you so weak you cant handle vegetables? Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.12321078]

>>12321055
"Arguing in favor of using spices on vegetables" this is an argument? HONK HONK

[Anonymous No.12321084]

>>12320139
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.12321113]

I had one of these yesterday. I like it, tasted like one of those ballpark brand frozen burgers.

[Anonymous No.12321133]

>>12321084
you first

[Anonymous No.12321142]

>>12321113
Tastes better the rarer it is

[Anonymous No.12321147]

>>12321133
>ladies first
You're such a gentleman, anon-kun~

[Anonymous No.12321444]

>>12321133
Maybe you guys should fuck each other

[Anonymous No.12321479]

>>12320404
You do not have to be vegan to be healthy. Generally, avoiding cholesterol and sat/trans fats as well as oils is the easiest way to stay in good shape and avoid heart disease/atherosclerosis/cardiovascular disease. It just so happens that cholesterol-rich foods are animal products; so generally, the less animal products you consume, the less likely you will get certain disease. Sources:
>the china study (pick up the book, goes in depth on how the study was done)
>https://www.cdc.gov/cholesterol/ldl_hdl.htm

[Anonymous No.12321496]

>>12320097
Vegans don't care about animals or the environment in the slightest, the whole "OMG Animals!" argument is just a dodge, a misdirection ploy to point the blame away to something 'legitimate' to make their starvation cult more palatable.

for example-- Vegans claim to 'love' cows so much, they literally want to kill them all, plow over their natural habitat (grasslands) and grow soy on it presumably and force feed that garbage to us.

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12321513]

>>12321070
Found the dischord tranny.

[Anonymous No.12321521]

>>12321496
Oh look, it's this bot again!

[Anonymous No.12321525]

>>12320104
Coping is hard for /pol/fags when reality doesn't line up with their meme world.

[Anonymous No.12321536]

>>12321521
>>12321525

[Veronica Kickisses No.12321540]

>>12320097
I just had the impossible burger. Drove all the way to St. Louis from Chicago and back in one day just to try it. I couldn't wait anymore. I must say it was worth the drive. The outside edge of was a bit dry, and therefore a bit soy-tasting. But more toward the middle it was juicier and it tasted like meat. I dare say, I liked it more than an actual whopper, because actual whoppers are almost always dry or soggy or generally disgusting. Meanwhile, the impossible whopper mimicked "juiciness" quite well and I totally forgot I was eating a soyburger. Image for attention, not shilling purposes.

[Veronica Kickisses No.12321549]

>>12321540
*Sorry the impossible whopper.

[Anonymous No.12321564]

>>12320503
Eating animals isn't inherently unethical... It's the abusive mass produced industry pumping out shit quality meat that's been tortured most of its life before becoming food that's the problem

[Anonymous No.12321568]

>>12320231
It definitely has been proven that a vegan diet will kill you very slow and painful too. You will start going delusional first and won't be able to get out of the death spiral by yourself. If you are lucky, the cancer will kill you fast enough, if you are very lucky, you will just die in your sleep after kidney failure/stroke/live failure or a heart attack. Go vegan and die.

[Anonymous No.12321579]

>>12320473
Nah, more like all the garbage that comes in the majority meat based food that the average person eats, and that doesn't even include hormones

[Anonymous No.12321591]

>>12321564
Based

[Anonymous No.12321596]

>>12321540
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.12321601]

>>12321564
>killing things unnecessarily isnt unethical
Yikes take

[Anonymous No.12321650]

>>12321072
The way archeologists pinpoint when a society switched to agriculture is literally to look for bone markers for health problems (tooth decay, growth arrest (Harris lines), anemia (porotic hyperostosis), scurvy, rickets, osteoperosis, etc). If you're not a cow you're not going to really digest most vegetable matter.
Also it's not like eating high residue foods would kill me. It'd just make me wish I were dead. When it comes to vegetable nutrition I go with V8. Most of why vegetables are "good for you" nowadays is because 2/3 of the developed world is overweight and the lack of cellulose digestion through human GI tracts makes it so that you can stuff your face full of vegetables and still extract very few calories from them.
>>12321078
>"Arguing in favor of using spices on vegetables" this is an argument? HONK HONK
His argument was that it didn't need to eat meat or even imitation meat because (according to him) you could just add spices to vegetables to make them taste however you wanted. Hence my response about flavor not being the only consideration for what kinds of food to eat. You might be able to make a salad taste like meat dishes in a very superficial way with spices / condiments but it's still not going to be anything like a meat dish in its actual substance.

[Anonymous No.12321655]

>>12321601
Yeah I suppose people hundreds and thoughts of years ago (even people today) should have simply lived off the veggies in their backyard, homemade tofu, and also all the supplements the average vegan needs to take on the side if they want to stay healthy. If you're a vegan get some Bloodwork done and see what you're lacking in, you might be surprised.

Coming from someone who's been through the diet and is now watching my sister go through it because "ethical consumption" when such a thing is arguably impossible in the current system we all live in. I suppose you don't care about the humans slaving away for your mass produced vegan equivalent product? Let alone vegetables? If you really care, grow your own veggies, slaughter your own meat or live in an area with lots of farmers who do the same thing. That's the best you can do and it's easier said than done, I know, but otherwise you aren't making a difference other than arguably affecting your health for the worse, not that cutting out excess foods that the average non vegan overly consumes won't make a difference, but I believe in balance.

[Veronica Kickisses No.12321737]

>all these walls of text
read Peter Singer

[Anonymous No.12321747]

>>12321655
>strawmans to a point about hundreds of years ago
Are we there or in the now?

>suppose you don't care about the humans slaving away for your mass produced vegan equivalent product? Let alone vegetables?
I suppose you don’t have an argument to make so you’re just equivocating a sentient being getting slaughtered with some wall jumper picking grapes

[Anonymous No.12321751]

>>12321650
>The way archeologists pinpoint when a society switched to agriculture is literally to look for bone markers for health problems
No. This is something you saw someone on 4chan write in long form autism and it conformed to your biases so you took it as fact

[Anonymous No.12321758]

>>12320097
>has no meat
>still perishable
explain this? i'm able to keep veggies out at room temp for several days if needed, why the fuck cant i do the same with this if it's technically the same thing?

[Anonymous No.12321761]

>>12321758
It’s already cooked

[Anonymous No.12321776]

>>12321761
No its not, its premade

[Anonymous No.12321777]

Well, sucks to be them. I'll just keep eating whatever I want or feel like eating until my disgusting asa drops dead to the ground
Out of curiosity, though, what do they use to make those patties if there is no soy or gluten?

[Anonymous No.12321781]

>>12321751
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1186&context=nebanthro
>The transition to agriculture in the Neolithic was arguably one of the most drastic lifestyle changes in human history. Changes in diet, living conditions, and subsistence activities had an enormous impact on human health, though effects varied from region to region. Skeletal analysis of these early agricultural communities suggests that the transition to agriculture had an overall negative impact on human oral health, increased the incidence of infectious disease and nutritional deficiencies, and contributed to an overall reduction in human stature.

[Anonymous No.12321800]

>>12321777
no gets shall ever go unchecked if i can help it.

also probably some other type of bean. fuck load of plant oil and/or fatty seeds as well i'd bet. i honestly have no clue though, seems like there'd be all kinds of nasty chemical shit swimming around to try and mimic taste and look of the real thing.

[Anonymous No.12321836]

>>12321781
>if i quote the conclusion I have nothing else to explain
Almost everything in there is purely correlarely. The rate of diseases is easily explained within the paper itself as a lack of hygiene and proper waste disposal with the introduction of the close proximity and raising of animals near humans. People becoming more dependent on stuff such as maize and not adequately fulfilling the nutritional gaps is a behavioral flaw than an inherent issue with eating the food itself. Everything is explained simply by growing pains of managing agriculture, there is nothing to suggest early humans did not have high rates of disease and malnutrition. Pre, early agriculture, or otherwise

[Anonymous No.12321848]

>>12321777
Pea protein is the main component, its also what I suspect sometimes gives it an off taste, beet juice gives it the redness and juiciness

[Anonymous No.12321853]

>>12321800
Yeah, I figured as much. Premade shit is always loaded with so much crap that it should be outlawed
I mean, even simple shit like premade tendies are made out of male chicks thrown into a grinder while still alive and whole, or so I've heard
The food industry is truly a dark business

[Anonymous No.12321876]

lol monocrops like soy are what destroy the environment, ruining soil, decimating ecosystems.

[Anonymous No.12321878]

>>12321781

[Anonymous No.12321884]

>>12321836
>there is nothing to suggest early humans did not have high rates of disease and malnutrition. Pre, early agriculture, or otherwise
Not sure where you're getting this idea from. There's clear evidence of the different health problems listed above occurring with agriculture in particular and not before its adoption. Which you seemed like you were agreeing with in the first part of your post by trying to account for those problems with reasons like over-reliance on a single crop or hygiene concerns, but then you suddenly claimed these agriculture related problems somehow applied to people who hadn't adopted agriculture.

[Veronica Kickisses No.12321885]

Consider the venus fly trap. Now tell it that its food habits are unethical.

[Anonymous No.12321908]

>>12321878
No. I didn't write anything remotely right wing and I'm not claiming jews are poisoning people with modern foods. All I did was point out it's not really that weird for people to have problems related to vegetables in diet. They're mostly high residue foods which can't be digested by a human GI tract. A lot of why they're considered "healthy" today is because so many people are fat and this sort of high residue / mostly indigestible cellulose heavy food can be consumed in large quantities while yielding very few calories.

[Anonymous No.12321909]

>>12321747
Wasn't a straw man, I referred to people today was well.

>wall jumper picking grapes
Racist vegan, you're like a stereotype yourself. You should be put against a wall if you know what I'm talking about, since you care more about animals as opposed to human beings. I care about both. Anyhow, go get that bloodwork, or maybe some mental work. I can tell you need help.

[Anonymous No.12321916]

>>12321747
>Are we there or in the now?
Not everyone lives in the same "now" you do where you go to grocery store and get your processed vegan meat equivalent covered in packaging to satisfy your ego in thinking you're making a difference.

[Anonymous No.12321934]

>>12320097
i had one of those like a week ago just to give it a try and its not bad. its not like real burger good but i would probably eat it again

[Anonymous No.12321938]

>>12320097
have sex

[Anonymous No.12321945]

>>12321884
Nowhere does it say malnutrition and disease didn’t exist before agriculture. You will find nothing suggesting that anywhere. They even make a point to say early agriculture was an issue, not agriculture in itself. The predecessor supposedly being better is not an indictment of it being good.

>but then you suddenly claimed these agriculture related problems somehow applied to people who hadn't adopted agriculture.
Again, are you seriously suggesting disease and malnutrition didnt exist in people living on subsistence? There is nothing to suggest that.

Agriculture happened because people wanted and were capable to progress beyond spending every brain wave and second on hunting or food gathering or resting for those activities and move onto more societal grander things. But I’ll wait to hear how all the cavemen were centurions who cooked their zucchini noodles and grass fed elk in mct oil

[Anonymous No.12321951]

>>12321909
>>12321916
People are very much capable of going vegan in a modern society, especially with a more cooperative effort. But thats more geopolitical than anything. The exception does not change the generalization

>talking about, since you care more about animals as opposed to human beings. I care about both. Anyhow, go get that bloodwork, or maybe some mental work. I can tell you need help.
Aww did I hurt your fee fees fatboy?

[Anonymous No.12321953]

>>12321945
>Nowhere does it say malnutrition and disease didn’t exist before agriculture.
The entire point is these are stress markers associated with the transition to agriculture. If they were already there to begin with then they wouldn't be stress markers associated with the transition to agriculture.

[Anonymous No.12321956]

>>12321953
>The entire point is these are stress markers associated with the transition to agricultur
Higher association of, not the existence of. What aren’t you getting?

[Anonymous No.12321959]

>>12321951
>assuming everyone who isn't vegan is fat
At least I don't assume every vegan is a racist like you.

[Anonymous No.12321965]

>>12321959
You are fat

>At least I don't assume every vegan is a racist like you.
When did I make that assumption? You made that assumption because you’re short on arguments.

[Anonymous No.12321980]

>>12321956
If conditions before agriculture were the same as conditions after there wouldn't be any sort of writing on this topic to begin with. It doesn't make any sense to try to dismiss the findings as something that was already happening in any sort of comparable way. If you mean before agriculture there existed a much smaller number amount of stress markers but not zero then I don't see what your point is. The idea is the same. Also there are some explanations that relate to non-diet factors, but there are also stress markers which are explicitly considered dietary in origin.

[Anonymous No.12321985]

>>12321965
I didn't say you made the assumption, I said at least I don't assume that based on your comments.
Regarding weight, want me to send pics? You're a waste of time. But hey, keep believing in ethical consumption while you buy your packaged trash and those people you generalise as "Grape picking wall jumpers" slave away so you can eat the trash you live off at the super market because you miss meat. Don't forget to take your supplements.

[Anonymous No.12321999]

>>12321980
>If conditions before agriculture were the same as conditions after there wouldn't be any sort of writing on this topic to begin with.
I didn’t say they were the same. Again, what part of higher incidence in Y variable COMPARED to X do you not understand?

San Salvador is more dangerous than Detroit

But Detroit is not safe
Y’see?

Again, where do you see that malnutrition and disease was nonexistent before EARLY agriculture?

[Anonymous No.12322005]

>>12321985
>I didn’t say you made the assumption

>>At least I don't assume every vegan is a racist like you.

Ah, “””pretending””” to be retarded. Very good trick.

>noooo you hurt my feee feees!!! Im leaving
Wall just got five feet higher, bucko

[Anonymous No.12322010]

>>12322005
Is English not your first language? Do you read books? Or do you live off 4chan posts? It's hard to accept that you're a racist, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.12322019]

>>12322010
Is this the best cope you can do because you don’t know how to speak your second language, Pedrito? Or are you just really fucking dumb and desperate to avoid the argument?

Do me need talk you like dis?

[Anonymous No.12322029]

>>12322019
What's the argument? You denying the fact you're a racist while continuing to prove that you're one? I'm white too, but you're a big dumb dumb white. Big epic 4chan troll white. XD posts

[Anonymous No.12322032]

>>12320097
Wondering, everyone who is anti-impossible burger, thoughts on black bean burgers? I will never eat fake meat, but what about a product thats more honest about what theyre offering?

>want something hearty but not in the mood for meat?
>try this shit....or dont
>thanks!

I like a good pan fried bean burger patty with a side of veggies now and then when I dont want a bunch of red meat

[Anonymous No.12322034]

Impossible burgers are just off. Anyone else feel this way? They do taste mostly like beef but leave a weird aftertaste that I always burp up for hours afterwards. It's really distinct and not entirely pleasant

[Anonymous No.12322054]

>>12322034
>they leave a weird aftertaste that I always burp up for hours afterwards

How many of those things have you eaten to have a baseline? And why

[Anonymous No.12322056]

>>12322029
>What’s the argument?

Just what I expected out of you fat retarded incels. Cope harder and hold the L

[Anonymous No.12322064]

>>12321999
>San Salvador is more dangerous than Detroit
>But Detroit is not safe
>Y’see?
Not sure how that's a point. Just because health problems associated with agriculture weren't 100% nonexistent prior to agriculture doesn't mean pre- and post- were anywhere close to similar on that front. Whether it went from zero to happening or from near zero to happening the general idea's the same.
Anyway there's a book that goes much more in depth on this if you want (Paleopathology at the Origins of Agriculture). But in lieu of that book here's a rundown on the same sort of topics including how pre- and post- were not the same:
http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html
> One straight forward example of what paleopathologists have learned from skeletons concerns historical changes in height. Skeletons from Greece and Turkey show that the average height of hunger-gatherers toward the end of the ice ages was a generous 5' 9'' for men, 5' 5'' for women. With the adoption of agriculture, height crashed, and by 3000 B. C. had reached a low of only 5' 3'' for men, 5' for women. By classical times heights were very slowly on the rise again, but modern Greeks and Turks have still not regained the average height of their distant ancestors.
>Another example of paleopathology at work is the study of Indian skeletons from burial mounds in the Illinois and Ohio river valleys.
>Compared to the hunter-gatherers who preceded them, the farmers had a nearly 50 per cent increase in enamel defects indicative of malnutrition, a fourfold increase in iron-deficiency anemia (evidenced by a bone condition called porotic hyperostosis), a theefold rise in bone lesions reflecting infectious disease in general, and an increase in degenerative conditions of the spine, probably reflecting a lot of hard physical labor.

[Anonymous No.12322065]

>>12322054
I used to work next to an Earthburger

[Anonymous No.12322066]

>>12322056
Another brain dead response not worth reading from an egotistical vegan who spends too much of his time on 4chan. I wish you the best in life and hope you grow

[Anonymous No.12322075]

>>12322065
I dont know what that is and Im glad. Im at least partially living my life the right way

[Anonymous No.12322077]

animals are going to die regardless might as well eat them

[Anonymous No.12322093]

>>12320772
But cum's an animal product, you filthy carnist

[Anonymous No.12322101]

>>12322064
>Not sure how that’s a point
That really doesn’t surprise me

[Anonymous No.12322106]

Reminder that picky eaters are the worst kind of human beings.

[Anonymous No.12322107]

>>12322101
It's rhetorical and polite way of telling you "that isn't a point."

[Anonymous No.12322108]

>>12322066
Aww, triggered little fat bitch running away. I’ll try not to trigger your menstrual cycle next time

[Anonymous No.12322118]

>>12322107
Okay, then in regards to your follow up response, I don’t really see how that’s a point

[Anonymous No.12322130]

>>12320689
desu

[Anonymous No.12322149]

>>12320097
I ate your mom's shitty soyburger last night fag

[Anonymous No.12322152]

>>12322118
Recursive paradox. If you didn't see that as a point then you wouldn't be able to use it as a point about itself not being a point.

[Anonymous No.12322159]

>>12320097
We are beyond the Third Reich

Hail Hitler !

[Anonymous No.12322163]

>>12322152
No, I saw your own unique reply as not being a point, not the idea behind it.

[Anonymous No.12322166]

>>12322163
>your own unique reply
>not the idea behind it
I think you're having a stroke.

[Anonymous No.12322175]

>>12322166
I think you’re just retarded. You made the desperate assumption I assumed the idea of “not seeing how thats a point” was “not a point” and not just your own actual reply of in itself which was of no substance

I appreciate the cope tho

[Anonymous No.12322176]

>>12320097
You do realize these weren't made to appease vegans right? The CEO said it himself.

[Anonymous No.12322185]

>>12322175
>cope
Oh, never mind. It's not a stroke, you're just a zoomer. Carry on.

[Anonymous No.12322188]

WE HAVE THIS THREAD EVERY FUCKING DAY

[Veronica Kickisses No.12322192]

>>12322188
ISN'T IT WONDERFUL? WE'RE EXTERMINATING ANIMAL TORTURERS EVERY DAY ONE THREAD AT A TIME

[Anonymous No.12322196]

>>12322185
Its amazing everytime one of you fat retard incels get BTFO you need to latch onto things that hurt your fee fees to justify running away like a fat bitch

Cope harder :)

[Anonymous No.12322204]

>>12322192
>namefag
Opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.12322210]

>>12322176
Yeah, it’s more to convert people to eat less or no meat. But I don’t see the issue. It’s vegan and they want people vegan or plant based

[Anonymous No.12322213]

>>12320097
it tastes like fucking NOTHING but I really enjoyed the texture

[Anonymous No.12322214]

>>12322196

[Anonymous No.12322264]

>>12322214
Me but unironically

[Anonymous No.12322367]

>>12322192
Cum

[Anonymous No.12322508]

>>12320097
Vegans are delusional. They literally think that just because there is an issue in meat production (industrial farming) everyone should just stop eating meat because its bad. Even though they just eat industrially farmed legumes and vegetables, which are enviormentally destructive on an equal scale if not more because they love eating exotic fruits which get shipped by the boat load across the fucking ocean.

Not to mention grain based diets are terrible and those grains used to make bread and stuff would be put to better use as animal pasture.

[Anonymous No.12322886]

>>12321564
Agreed, as I said in >>12320503 I'm approaching this from a utilitarian perspective. But I have to consider the actual options not some theoretical abstractions. There are a lot of different companies, brands and certifications, but I haven't found anything that fully resolves the ethical problem. For example, a lot of organic farms avoid antibiotics because organic products can't use antibiotics, so if a cow is given antibiotics it has to be removed from the organic herd and put in the regular herd, losing money. But cows still get mastisis in organic farms, so they end up being less likely to get proper treatment and treated with bullshit like homeopathy. There are better farms like Ronnybrook Farms where they don't get organic certification and do use antibiotics, but then those farms don't have any third party certification, you just how to trust the owners.

Ultimately, no farm animal is going to be treated as well as a pet, and the necessities of running a business are going to result in unacceptable levels of suffering. I say unacceptable but I still do eat some animal products, mostly dairy. But I consider it more ethnical to eat none. On the flipside, products like pea protein are amazing, and don't come with any of the ethical (or environmental) problems of animal products.

>>12320683
Fair points, I am taking it one step at a time.

[Anonymous No.12323985]

>>12322077
Farm animals are purposely born to be killed.

[Anonymous No.12324012]

>>12320097
I eat meat, but now that I earn enough, I try to buy the best quality I can, organic at a minimum. This is just personally: when I want to eat meat, I want to eat great meat. When it’s just some jerk off mass-produced sandwich, I’d prefer not to fund factory farming. At the same time life is too short to eat bullshit. So right now when I eat jerk off food I eat it with meat, but the moment In-n-out has a comparable nonmeat product, I’ll probably switch. I’m still not sure if I consider chickens to be sentient enough to qualify as meat. Maybe chickens should be classified as vegetables/little dinosaurs and fuck them (I lived in a shared house with someone who raised chickens, and my conclusion is: fuck those assholes, I’m glad you’re being killed by the millions daily).

[Anonymous No.12324017]

>>12320113
Because it's a ridiculous position born out of people wanting to feel better about themselves. Wear shoes then that prevent you from stepping on ants as much. You won't. Raise animals on a farm you fund that otherwise would be slaughtered. You won't. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.12324025]

>>12320290
>more and more people going vegan for health

That doesn't mean it's healthier.

[Anonymous No.12324027]

>>12320321
You have absolutely no proof a vegan diet reduce the risk of cancer in a general sense like you're claiming.

[Anonymous No.12324032]

>>12324017
Your not a very bright person are you.

[Anonymous No.12324034]

>>12323985
good

[Anonymous No.12324036]

>>12324032
And you're still bitter and you still won't.

[Anonymous No.12324038]

>>12320097
Yeah. They're smart enough to understand real meat is unsustainable even if they like meat. Problem with that? Cope.

[Anonymous No.12324046]

>>12324038
It's funny considering their kids/grandkids will probably have to eat bugs and wood after everything eventually goes to shit when making impossible burgers wasn't enough to save the environment and prevent unsustainable consumption. Might as well enjoy the real burger

[Anonymous No.12324050]

>vegan
>healthy
You can't even get your essential vitamins without supplements

[Anonymous No.12324063]

>>12324046
MUCH OF FLORIDA WILL BE UNDERWATER IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS

[Anonymous No.12324067]

>>12324063
[c] 2006

[Anonymous No.12324070]

>>12324063
Very nice pol-post, but I'm more California/Oregon man myself. Can't wait for my beach house in some bumfuck Nor-Cal/Oregon city nobody cares about now.

[Anonymous No.12324074]

>>12321070
>nutritious
>healthy
Y-yea, those processed man made fake meats are healthier than real organic meats

[Anonymous No.12324076]

>>12324070
Yeah I agree /pol/ said something therefore it’s wrong regardless of the facts.

[Anonymous No.12324082]

>>12324076
I mean, you don't even really have to believe the global warming meme if you don't want to. Ice caps are melting and the ocean levels are rising, doesn't really matter what you attribute it to, be it a natural cycle or global warming.

[Anonymous No.12324096]

>>12324082
Lol, faggot, where have you been? It’s no longer global warming, it’s climate change. Of course, this has the advantage of being non-falsifiable, unlike every single prediction Al Gore has ever made, all of which turned out to be false.

>WHOA MELTING ICE CAPS

[Anonymous No.12324105]

>>12324096
This isn't even a partisan thing. Ice caps are melting, unless you don't believe satellite imaging. I mean don't get me wrong, I know what you're doing, I'm just giving out yous tonight.

[Anonymous No.12324108]

>>12324096
Inb4 we just can’t take the chance... TRUST ME, we have been wrong about literally everything and have proven ourselves so corrupt we can’t even acknowledge the truth when it makes a breif apprearance... BUT TRUST US THE ICE CAPS ARE MELTING GIVE UP ALL OF YOUR GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS ESPECIALLY THE SECOND AMENDMENT BECAUSE ONLY BAD PEOPLE WOULD EVER RESIST TYRANNY THEREFORE YOU ARE BAD AND PLUS SHOOTING GUNS MELTS ICE CAPS AND MAKES LGBTQFUCKBOI+++ UNEASY ALTHOUGH THAT DOESN’T MATTER AT ALL AND IN FACT AS FREAKS THEMSELVES THEY SHOULD PROBABLY ARM UP.

[Anonymous No.12324113]

>>12324105
You're talking to someone who thinks that science is a liberal hoax and pictures of people of the opposite sex who aren't siblings are Jewish race mixing lizard people propaganda. Replying to them just makes this place worse, as if that was even possible.

[Anonymous No.12324136]

>>12324105
You’re right, it’s not a partisan thing. It’s an evidence thing, and all predictions made to date from (shockingly) partisans pretending to be scientists or partisans pretending to represent them have turned out to be wrong. All of the doom and gloom about global warming was false. We heard about global warming for DECADES. What did it amount to? 100% bullshit. It has now been rebranded “climate change” and we all know the fucking climate has changed yearly for the last 10000 years, otherwise we wouldn’t know why the praries are flat (glaciers, omg).

The unspoken pivot from “global warming” to “climate change” is one of the great hypocrisies of our times. Fortunately, it is one that is already falling, regardless of efforts like yours to prop itup.

[Anonymous No.12324149]

>>12324136
(you) for you. Thank you for taking your time

[Anonymous No.12324163]

>>12324113
So going backwards from your post, me reading what you wrote, thoughtfullly considering it, then replying with my own, independently formed thoughts...
>makes this place worse, as if that was even possible.
Hmm. Right, seems totally normal. I enjoy being here with my /ck/ brethren, if you think this place sucks, is beneath you, or if you think your very own participation makes it worse, why would you stay?

Also, rants about race mixing are not on topic here, so kindly stop.

[Anonymous No.12324170]

>>12324149
Appreciated, brother.

[Anonymous No.12324173]

>>12322508
Veganism is the weirdest anorexia cult in world history. The idea that these self-obsessed leftists give the slightest fuck about animals should go down in clown world history.


https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.12324181]

>>12323985
Your comment is Satanic. You want to eradicate cows? You want to exterminate cows? I assume the answer is "Yes" and you also consider yourself "compassionate"

[Anonymous No.12324184]

>>12324173
Holy shit would destroy right hand side MILF over and over before even moving on to Bon Appetite cast or that chink with a mole. Though the chink with the mole could be second, full disclosure.

[Anonymous No.12324194]

>>12324136
>All Gwhores chicken little predictions
>All turned out to be 100% wrong and retarded
>Liberals faith in "global warming" is unchanged.

Why would the liberal rank and file go along with this nonsense when 99% of them are not bought off "scientists" going along with the "climate change" gag?

[Anonymous No.12324211]

>>12320097
I'm vegetarian and I used to like hamburgers, most vegetarians used to eat meat and didn't grow up as vegetarians. That one time a year I want to eat a veggie hamburger I don't care about the patty in the hamburger tasting like meat but I want good texture and consistency which are hard to find.
Either way I don't see what's wrong in wanting to imitate something or using the original nomenclature, I paint with synthetic squirrel brushes, they behave like squirrel brushes which indicates certain properties, but they're synthetic.
I don't understand all the hate for people who simply like animals, there are a bunch of crazy annoying virtue signaling vegans but most ethical vegetarians just try to avoid making animals suffer. This is no different than SJWs saying all white men are all pigs because a white guy in Hollywood is a rapist, I hope you realize that

[Anonymous No.12324224]

>>12324173
>factory farming is OK worldwide because Australia can't use large areas of territory for cultivation
>some retarded photo

[Anonymous No.12324249]

>>12324173
why don't you use your brain when you read an article? the article says that large cultivations in Australia have caused environmental damage while grazing livestock just eats grassland, but it completely forgets to mention that the majority of meat consumed in Australia is not grass fed but factory farmed, and the majority of factory farmed meat is grain fed. So those large cultivations that did so much environmental impact are mostly (90%+) used to feed animals

[Anonymous No.12324256]

the beyond burger is basically movie theater popcorn in burger form.
lots of saturated oils, salt, and carbs mashed into a patty with yeast grown heme to give it a bloody flavor.

[Anonymous No.12324263]

>>12320503
>This
Go back to plebbit.

[Anonymous No.12324365]

>>12324173
Fucking hell, Anglo women age worse than dogs.

[Anonymous No.12324762]

>>12321650
So we never foraged for plants? Sure, bud. Insoluble fiber cleans your system out.

[Anonymous No.12324768]

>>12321650
It's not his, it was mine. I didn't say make veggies taste like meat you idiot I said meat only tastes good because of the spices you add to it. Fish is the only one I would say has good flavor on it's own.

[Anonymous No.12324771]

>>12321650
Yeah people get scurvy from eating fruits and veggies, great theory anon.

[Anonymous No.12324774]

>>12322210
>Yeah, it’s more to convert people to eat less or no meat

That idea is ridiculous because non-vegans are simply going to eat real meat and not feel an ounce of guilt about it. There is literally no reason to even look at these substitutes unless you're already a vegan.

Instead of fiddling with plant-based bullshit, the bleeding hearts should instead invest in laboratory-grown meat (test tube meat grown from cultivated cells). That stuff can actually replace at least a part of regulkar meat on the market if its cost gets down enough, because iuts taste is identical to real beef (due to the fact that it IS real beef, it just never was alive).

[Anonymous No.12324775]

>>12322032
They are good. Premade ones usually have too much salt/cumin but they are kind of a pain to make. Try just making black beans and eating them with rice(a complete protein meal), like a normal person.

[Anonymous No.12324780]

>>12322508
Ted nugent's feeds thousands of poor people using deer meat. He is a saint.

[Anonymous No.12324964]

>>12324224
>Vegans REEEE about factory farming.
>Meanwhile grass fed cows live their entire lives and never see a fucking "factory"

Eating grass fed cows, which live their lives outdoors in the sun, is more "vegan" than vegans, because it kills far far fewer animals, and no pesticides needed. (Because cows eat grass that grows for free, on grassland)

>REEEEEE factory farms!!!

There I saved you the trouble of making your retarded vegan response.

[Anonymous No.12324975]

>>12324249
>Vegan jargon and talking points
>Factory farming reeeee
>I'm vegan so I don't give a fuck about animals or being honest.

Here is where your vegan dollars go.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McW1fJHY0-Y

[Anonymous No.12324985]

>>12320290
imagine actually believing this

[Anonymous No.12324987]

>>12324964
Now we just need these exact conditions everywhere and for everyone to stop factory farming pigs and chickens who are unable to sustain on grass to the level the industry demands of their meat.

[Anonymous No.12324992]

Same thread every single day.

[Anonymous No.12325026]

>>12324987
Not going to happen.
A. Liberals in Europe and the US demand we feed the entire world and all non whites/migrants etc for free. (Forever or at least until all whites are dead)
This requires cheap food- only factory farming can make that.
B.subsection 1.Nibbas need their friend chicken
And they want it close to free, only factory farming
Can provide this.
B. Factory farming (extreme high volume output means extreme amounts of money) so we need their money to fight the vegans politically just to keep the right to eat meat at all. We need their $$$$ Lobbying power, because of the (((vegan agenda)))

[Anonymous No.12325059]

>>12320290
>Diet that requires you to pay close attention to the nutrients you are missing out on is healthier than just eating anything without paying any attention
No shit

[Anonymous No.12325089]

>>12320097
I tried those burgers. They had a weird chemical taste to them and made me shit fucking lava the next day.

[Anonymous No.12325103]

I tried some beyond burgers a few days ago, They're not bad, but they have the taste of feel of those cheap pre-made frozen hamburger patties, rather than real fresh ground beef patties like you'd really want and expect them to be.

Definitely a lot better than usual veggieburger patties, though. They just need to be cheaper than near 10 dollars for two patties.

[Anonymous No.12325122]

>>12324256
Yeah, it's almost as bad as meat.

[Anonymous No.12325167]

>>12324017

If you are incapable of having empathy towards the sufferings of other creatures doesn't mean others are also incapable. I know many vegetarians and vegans who dont even talk about their dietary habits. I realized them after seeing them choose different foods and because they would cook for me non animal protein foods. Which were delicious btw, and I eat a shit ton of salmon and cow. Go back to friend.

[Anonymous No.12325187]

>>12325167
Funny how all vegan advocates also eat a lot of meat. Does Earthling Ed enjoy eating lot beef and fish as well?

[Anonymous No.12325218]

>>12325187

Lol. Im writing this from a sushi place. It seems you lack a true capacity for mentalization. I wont continue arguing with you if you cannot accept the basic truth that other people share different value systems and interest/motivations. May you some day mature.

[Anonymous No.12325239]

>>12320503
>unironic utilitarianism
imagine having a brain this small jfc

[Anonymous No.12325249]

>>12322005
ESL are not allowed on this board, wetback
take your "veganism" and fuck off back to Nicaragua

[Anonymous No.12325254]

>>12322886
>I'm approaching this from a utilitarian perspective
stop! please! it's too much I can't take it!

[Anonymous No.12325268]

>>12325249
>responding to a day old dead conversation just to seethe

[Anonymous No.12325275]

>>12325268
>t. seethe

[Anonymous No.12325276]

>>12324774
Plenty of non vegans look at it, so your entire point is moot. The biggest selling point is the environment

>Instead of fiddling with plant-based bullshit, the bleeding hearts should instead invest in laboratory-grown meat
Not mutually exclusive, and this is far more in the advanced stage than lab grown meat

[Anonymous No.12325279]

>>12325275
>no you!!!

[Anonymous No.12325283]

>>12325279
cope harder, Juan

[Anonymous No.12325285]

>>12325283
>no you!!!

[Anonymous No.12325290]

Daily reminder that there is ZERO excuse to participate in animal agriculture

[Anonymous No.12325296]

>>12325285
cope harder, Juan

[Anonymous No.12325301]

>>12325296

[Anonymous No.12325439]

>>12325290
This 'stat' is ridiculously false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McW1fJHY0-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjF-CTCiJ_c

[Anonymous No.12325830]

>>12324263
You're new, stupid, but want to fit in, we get it.

[Anonymous No.12325936]

>>12320195
Fuck off bitch. I eat make vegan meat and sosij and soy milk and fake fish and all the fake animal products. I'm a vegan carnivore. There's a vegan version of everything that tastes exactly the same.
>t. went vegan two months ago.

[Anonymous No.12325991]

>>12325439
>carnist youtube propaganda rants renders legitimate research void
You go girl!

[Anonymous No.12326097]

>>12321525
this

[Anonymous No.12327227]

>>12325439
Absolutely destroyed by
>>12325991

[Anonymous No.12328168]

>>12321024
yes

[Anonymous No.12328197]

>>12321496
Literally written by Australian cattle ranchers with shitty DeviantArt illustrations to boot.

[Anonymous No.12328206]

>>12321885
You are not a Venus fly trap silly cute tranny.

[Anonymous No.12328225]

>>12320290

[Anonymous No.12328246]

>>12328225
There's no reason to believe that baby wouldn't be malnourished on an omni diet. Clearly had shitty parents.

[Anonymous No.12328260]

>>12321496
Oh the meat industry shill is making some bucks!

[Anonymous No.12328279]

>>12328246
>There's no reason to believe that baby wouldn't be malnourished on an omni diet.
Yes there is. It's a lot harder to be malnourished if your diet includes meat and dairy. Human digestive systems mostly don't work on cellulose in the way a cow's digestive system would. There isn't any regular enzyme digestion of cellulose and all you can get out of it comes from a very small amount of breakdown through bacteria in the intestines. Also most vegetables don't provide a complete protein source, which is why vegan products frequently have soy isolates to try to cover that need through artificial processing.

[Anonymous No.12328859]

>>12325991
>>12327227
You can't destroy the truth, you can only lie, obfuscate and hide it. (Vegans only strategy)

Veganism kills billions of living things, and vegans don't give the slightest fuck either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McW1fJHY0-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjF-CTCiJ_c

[Anonymous No.12328865]

>>12320097
tbf if these patties weren't shaped like literal hockey pucks, they'd be decent veggie burgers but you need a certified soyboy's mouth to fit that with the usual toppings and a regular sized bun in your mouth

[Anonymous No.12328873]

>>12328246

It's much easier to be malnourished if you are on a strict vegan diet if you aren't well versed in getting all necessary nutrients, even if you have lots of money. You can be plenty healthy as a vegan, but you need to know what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.12328877]

>>12328859
vegans also don't care that most of their produce is picked by either underpaid farmers in third world countries or illegal immigrants who get ICE'd before getting paid to keep prices artificially low
cashews are also picked by workers who aren't provided gloves and pick related happens cuz the fruit releases a caustic acid when the nut is picked but vegan cheese is totally superior, you guyz

[Anonymous No.12328900]

>>12328877
Check this out-- The guy who literally invented the term 'vegan' was a calm, diet advocate who was against the screeching animal rights advocacy. (he was pro animals, but not just rabid about it) He was kicked out of the vegan society he created... by the nutjobs.

The literal founder of veganism, is now considered "not vegan" Here a sane vegan lays it all out in 44 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTx_d8pau3c

[Anonymous No.12328913]

>>12328859
prease derete for unsuble refelense to day when nothing happen
thank

[Anonymous No.12328921]

>>12320097
Veggie here, used to love these. But now I can't stand the smell of these things

[Anonymous No.12328926]

>>12320204
>cope oof yikes seethe!
Anders was fucking right, only way for these kids to learn is to swim or die

[Anonymous No.12328931]

>>12328279
This is why vegans are retarded. Nothing is wrong with eating eggs or honey.

[Anonymous No.12328958]

I get these at work.
They suck

[Anonymous No.12329135]

>>12328900
>look into my proof by example anon
>watch my baldy videos
>listen to my narrative
>destroy the planet anon yes

[Anonymous No.12329275]

>>12328900
all vegans are nutjobs, you nutjob

[Anonymous No.12329482]

Be an environmentalist. Hear that bees are in danger so I build a few beehives. Realize I can enjoy some benefit by eating a bit of their honey. Vegan fags catch wind and come burn down all my beehives, because they "love animals".

This one aspect is what makes me hate them.

[Anonymous No.12329686]

>>12329482
I'll have things that never happened for 800, Alex.

[Anonymous No.12329717]

>>12320097
Vegan burgers I can understand, because burgers are about more than just meat, and vegan patties rarely try to imitate the actual taste and texture of meat, moreso just the shape. But pretty much all other types of imitation meat are retarded.

[Anonymous No.12329900]

>>12320097
What you expect? They are mentally ill

[Anonymous No.12329932]

>>12324017
>I can't save ALL the people in this burning building so I guess they'll all just die because I'd rather do nothing than something because I can't solve the whole problem
Brilliant.

[Anonymous No.12330379]

>>12320097
I guess it's not the soy that makes it taste bad then.

[Anonymous No.12330389]

>>12324263
newfag

[Anonymous No.12330396]

>>12321496
Cows don't have a natural habitat because they are man-made. We don't want to kill cows, they should not exist in the first place. The best solution is to slowly stop breeding them while society is adjusting.

[Anonymous No.12330444]

>>12328877
>kill all animals because some people get paid like shit

That really made me think

[Anonymous No.12330593]

>>12328877
Anon, there's no one else going to do that kind of labor. You and 90% of amerilards would collapse after 2 hours in the fields.

[Anonymous No.12330638]

>>12320321
>Vegan diet is better than gorging yourself on fastfood and sugarwater

Oh wow no shit Sherlock.

Next do a comparative study with people that eat meat as apart of a balanced diet and people that eat like pigs but swap animal for plant protein.

[Anonymous No.12330796]

thanks swaglord

[Anonymous No.12330871]

>>12320097
Had to eat this and similar a few dozen times during lent. Not recommended. Didn't taste bad, simply because it didn't taste of anything, and didn't leave me feeling any sort of satisfied.

[Anonymous No.12330942]

>>12320104
/thread

[Anonymous No.12330970]

>>12330444
kill all animals including you lol

[Anonymous No.12330982]

>>12330593
Then raise the costs and provide the workers with a safe environment. I don't get what you're trying to say? People should suffer because of your taste for shitty imitation cheese while you cope with the loss of animal products? How misanthropic.

[Anonymous No.12331014]

>>12322032
Chickpea and broccoli with mint/cilantro seasoning is superior it's s bean Patty that holds together and while it doesn't taste like a burger it's not trying to

[Anonymous No.12331017]

Impossible is going to put these people out of business. It's just a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.12331074]

>>12330982
Then even less people will be eating vegetables, aka real food instead of cheap subsidized garbage, if you could even find amerilards willing to work that kind of back breaking labor in 95F+ heat 12-15 hours/day (vegetables don't wait to start rotting because of fair labor practices) for $15/hour. Protip, amerilards neither will nor can do that kind of work anymore. Now it's a well known fact trump's base thinks vegetables other than ketchup are an atheist, socialist, communist libruhl conspiracy to steal precious bodily fluids, but most reasonable people don't want real food unavailable and priced at the same level as meat.

[Anonymous No.12331097]

>>12330396
Do you think cow's are genetically created in a lab?

[Anonymous No.12331110]

>>12331097
What if we just genetically engineered cows without brains? I bet it would be cheaper than growing meat in a petri dish, since that requires all kinds of crazy chemicals that are rare and expensive.

[Anonymous No.12331198]

>>12330396
I like cows, you want to kill them because you are Satanic. Pet dogs are also 'man made' per your definition, I'm sure you want to kill them next. Since extermination is your prime directive- Start with yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8SwO3OMIiE

[Anonymous No.12331207]

>>12331074
None of that made sense, and you seem to have made a typo at the end as well, Meat is the real food. Grass is available everywhere you'll survive long after we're gone.

[Anonymous No.12331239]

Just sit back and fathom the level of mental illness this takes
>>/ck/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=Theconversation+

[Anonymous No.12331259]

>>12320113
>Why wouldn't you do that if you were in their position?
Because I would want my cuisine to have an identity of its own. I would start by removing the “Protein front and center” paradigm, then I would stop trying to veganfy already existing dishes, take into account the needs and ratios of my diet and formulate dishes. By the end I should have stop eating “Vegan X” and instead my diet should consist of dishes that can only be thought as vegan and the idea of “meatfying” them should be just as petty as soy meat

[Anonymous No.12331271]

>>12331074
>real food instead of cheap subsidized garbage
Who the fuck do you think picks the ingredients cheap subsidized garbage?

[Anonymous No.12331536]

It's good for the planet. Whatever

[Anonymous No.12331858]

>>12331198
>retard uses retarded arguments to defend his diet
Tell me more about how vegans want to kill cows more than the people killing cows to eat them do. I eat meat btw, I'm just not a fucking idiot convinced by 80 IQ posts.