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12314071 No.12314071 [Reply] [Original]

why do vegans not eat meat but want their food to look like meat?

seems hypocritical to me

>> No.12314105

>>12314071
It's like how trans people reject gender binaries and yet want to look like the opposite gender binary

>> No.12314118

>>12314071
the worst I've ever seen was an avocado concoction that was trying to mimic an egg
just like, do vege tempura if you want some umami

>>12314105
mtf tranny here, there are only two genders
anyone who says otherwise is a feminist trying to either be malicious against us or trying to destroy the concept of gender "so we're all equal"
wish I was joking

>> No.12314156

>>12314118
Post feet

>> No.12314168

>>12314071
you seem like an idiot. Pro tip: elmers glue is non toxic but you shouldn't just keep eating it.

>> No.12314183

>>12314156
they're gross manfeet, sorry

>> No.12314199

>>12314183
But you're female?

>> No.12314204

>>12314168
Why does he sound like an idiot? It's a valid question. If vegans are against meat in general, why would they look for a substitute for it?

>> No.12314217

>>12314118
what about TERFs

>> No.12314236

Because they like the taste and texture and versatility of meat but don't want to contribute to the meat industry because it goes against their moral philosophy.

This isn't difficult OP.

>> No.12314274

>>12314071
Because the reason for abstaining from meat isn't because they think it tastes bad it's usually the reason behind it being something like "I don't like killing animals" or "muh bad for the environment" and despite this they still like the taste of meat and want to eat it. Think of it like wanting to get drunk but you don't want to deal with the hangover or wanting to avoid eating shark fin soup because its bad for sharks, yeah its tasty but the way it's produced is for the most part bad so you might want to abstain from eating it.

>> No.12314315

>>12314236
It is difficult for people who don't want to understand it.
Lets stop pretending people are out there completely oblivious to the reasons people do what they do. They know.
They just don't care, they want to be right and win out against what they think their opposition is.
Humanity is in a sad state.

>> No.12314325

>>12314217
TERFs are intolerant subhuman hypocrites.

>> No.12314348

>>12314236
DING DING DING
You can like the feel or use of something and still not do it because of the moral implications
Like raping a woman every time you go out to bar, it may feel great for you and cumming that way is the most intense pleasure you'll ever receive, but since we all kinda agree that rape is evil people look for substitutes in permanent relationships

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>>12314348
>>12314236

>human morals
>non sentient livestock

>> No.12314368

>>12314071
Yeah! And why do people who protest the burning of fossil fuels want to generate electricity from other sources? Stupid hypocrites.

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>>12314359
>Implying the rape analogy isn't perfectly on point
>NUH UH HUMAN FEMALES HAVE JUST THE SAME MENTAL CAPACITY THAT MALES DO
Human females are on the same level as livestock you fucking soi, and we still don''t go out and rape all of them because it's considerd distasteful.

>> No.12314370

>>12314204
because literally no vegan ever based their arguments for their lifestyle on taste or texture you miserable cancerous lump of malformed neurons.

>> No.12314377

>>12314315
this

>> No.12314384

>>12314370
Every vegan I ever met looked like a soyboy and based his decision on meat testing "Yucky" while also wearing pleather jackets and having the hipster hitler youth haircut

>> No.12314385

>>12314369
t. idort

>> No.12314386

>>12314348
>>12314369
*tips*

>> No.12314393

>>12314384
I don't believe you. I've talked to quite a fe and its generally based on moral arguments and empathy for non human life. Perhaps you just have a hard time dealing with social cues.

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>>12314385
>>12314386
t. male feminist allies
>Imagine whiteknighting females

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>>12314384

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>>12314393
>I talk to a lot of vegans
Yeah I can tell

>> No.12314403

>>12314395
Behold that person with nonstandard opinion. THEY ARE WEAK, WEAK AND EFFEMINATE. TRUE MASCULINITY IS ATTAINED BY BINDING TO SOCIAL NORMS THOUGTLESSLY YOU FAGGGOTS. THE MOST IMPRESSIVE MAN IS THE ONE WHO DOES WHAT THE DADDY IN THE SKY AND THE DADDY IN THE GOVERNMENT SAYS.

>> No.12314404

>>12314400
I bet you talk to a lot of erotic chatbots.

>> No.12314406

>>12314403
>Implying you sois don't follow the mass media agenda that's been imprinted on you for the last two decades
EL OH EL

>> No.12314409

>>12314236
/thread

>> No.12314414

>>12314406
I get where your coming from but you made a fundamental overcorrection early in life and therefore will probably spend the rest of your life as an antisocial moron.

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GENERAL REMINDER THAT VEGANS ARE INTELLECTUALLY AND MORALLY BETTER THAN YOU EXCEPT IF YOUR A NIHILIST TO WHO THESE WORDS HAVE NO MEANING. IF YOU HAVE A MORAL PHILOSOPHY ITS ALMOST CERTAINLY COMMANDING YOU TO BE VEGAN.

>> No.12314494

>>12314071
It's not hypocritical but it is cucked as fuck

>> No.12314499

>>12314425
My moral philosophy tells me that superior beings can eat whatever the fuck they want out of inferor species or races. Kys moralfag.

>> No.12314504

>>12314494
you're cucked as fuck. Why are you eating another species periods?

>> No.12314511

>>12314499
Your definition of superior is almost definitely a circular clustefuck of reasoning. If superior simply means superior intelligence and physiology then I could eat you yet I choose not to for more enlightened reasons.

>> No.12314512

>>12314504
Because I like them and I can eat whatever I want, s o y b o y

>> No.12314514

>>12314071
It's because their sickly and frail bodies long for actual food again

>> No.12314519

>>12314499
If that was true how the fuck are you still alive?

>> No.12314520

>>12314512
ok eat a rock then. Prove your manliness. devour a 10 pound lump of granite raw as it begs for mercy.

>> No.12314523

>>12314511
>If superior simply means superior intelligence and physiology
If this is where your mind goes when thinking of superiority then you're definitely simple minded and inferior to me, my dear dinner.

>> No.12314529

>>12314523
The only reason that you haven't been eaten yet is my superior moral fortitude,

>> No.12314532

>>12314520
I don't want to so I won't

>> No.12314540

>>12314529
Wanna RP with me? :3

*takes a small bite of your arm*

>> No.12314543

>>12314532
"I could kill four CIA agents then bench press 400 pounds I just don't wanna today"

>> No.12314547

>>12314540
I exclusively roleplay dnd 3,5, slob tf and bizarre transformation fantasies. I'm a bit beyond you... kid

>> No.12314552

>>12314543
>"I can eat whatever I want"
>"Eat rocks"
>"I don't want to"
>*tard screeching*

>> No.12314557

>>12314547
*pisses in your fridge*

Take me to the ward daddy :3

>> No.12314568

i hate vegan fake meats. ive tried them all.
vegan jerky is disgusting. overly sweet and makes your mouth taste of processed dirt
vegan mince is just soy protein
vegan nuggets taste like tofu
vegan prawns are a joke
qorn sucks
beyond meat is worse than mceonalds default patty
impossible is impossible to get where i am, so its the one i havent tried

>> No.12314569

>>12314552
go stick a storied and ancient crystal skull uip your ass. It will cure your syphilis.

>> No.12314575

>>12314568
you should start a blog.

>> No.12314579

>>12314575
i actually run two blogs already. one genrates a passive income and the other boosta my youtube income

>> No.12314580

>>12314569
S o y as fuck. I bet you'd like that anal insertion you faggot.

>> No.12314582

>>12314579
Are they cooking blogs? Is it hard to promote and monetize your blog?

>> No.12314588

>>12314118
Kill yourself degenerate.0

>> No.12314605

>>12314580
the male g spot is most easily accessed through the anus. Make of that what you will. Perhaps that yearning hole in your chest is simply a call homolust. Perhaps all of your irrational anger could be cured if you just took it up the butt a few times.

>> No.12314606

>>12314582
ones a lifestyle blog. i make money off affiliate links and sponsored products, and advertise by social media and giveaways. the other is the one i actually put hard effort into which is a diy channel

>> No.12314609

>>12314606
Out of curiosity, which blog?

>> No.12314613

>>12314609
surely you can understand why i dont want to post it here. i will say the diy channel is at nearly 1.5m subs

>> No.12314627

>>12314613
Posting something in a fucking ck thread will garner you nothing positive or negative but might let me know what the fuck your talking about. This isn't pol/

>> No.12315050

>>12314579
>blogs in the year 2019

nani?

>> No.12315057

>>12314325
Trans women are not real women. You are completely deserving of human rights but don't pretend you understand what it's like to be an actual woman and struggle with the problems women experience growing up and living in this world. TERFs want you to gather under your own banner and not hijack theirs just cuz you think wearing a dress and lopping off your genitals makes you a woman.

>> No.12315136

>>12315050
realise most websites are formatted in a blog format now days, tumblr is just a blog, even twitter is just microblogging.

>> No.12315150

>>12314071
They are the SJWs of the food industry.

They cannot create their own stuff, so they just hijack and copy.

>> No.12315309

>>12314359
>non sentient livestock
What do you think sentience is?

>> No.12315340

>>12314071
Because they are seriously mentally I'll.

>> No.12315346

>>12315057
stfu roastie nobody gives a shit what you think

>> No.12315349

>>12315309
>sentient
adjective: sentient
Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively.


being sentient to me is being able to argue with me whether Spongebob is actually gay or not, or if they prefer pepsi or coke

>> No.12315522

>>12314105
fpbp

>> No.12315532

>>12314315
We live in a SOCIETY

>> No.12315538

>>12314568
>beyond meat is worse than mceonalds default patty
WRONG!

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>>12314393
>Y-you don't understand! M-muh moral arguments!

This moral argument holds no ground when veganism does more damage to the nature than being fucking normal.

We are omivorous by nature, and if vegans had any respect for it, they'd not bother others with their 'moral arguments'.

All this kind of vegans want (the other kind being the few who can't eat meat due to health issues) is to feel better about themselves and have a meaning in life they lack otherwise.

>> No.12315585

>>12314315
>>12314377
>SOCIETY
>THIS

I had no doubt NPCs and vegans have a big overlap

>> No.12315595

>>12315349
Well then you must be either illiterate or retarded because that literally doesn't match the definition you have there.

>> No.12315654

>>12315569
Oh geez who am I going to believe when it comes to climate friendly diets? 96% of the experts and scientists in the field? Or one article written by Australian cattle farmers?

>> No.12315689

>>12314369
have sex

>> No.12315704

>>12314071
Because they want to convert more people into going vegan for environmental and social reasons.

>> No.12315705

>>12315595
animals cant perceive
you think chickens actually think?
its just meat with some instincts attached to it

>> No.12315709

>>12314118
Based?

>> No.12315726

>>12315705
You can train chickens to do tricks and shit. To come running when you call their name. They are individuals in the same manner as your cat or dog are.

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>>12315654
>The only two choices are authorities (that never lie nor can have a bias) or biased cattle farmers!

You are in a desperate need of nutrition, anon.

Don't take it from me, take it from farmers that have to exterminate every little thing that would dare to threaten your precious greens and beans.

Or those animals don't count since we don't eat them?

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>>12315726
>Chickens are individuals

>> No.12315794

>>12315769
Again. Where do you get those insane numbers of "by kill"? Oh from Australian cattle ranchers.

>> No.12315797

>>12315726
Don't forget goy, bugs are people too

>> No.12315800

>>12315782
In the same capacity as your dog is? Yeah sure.

>> No.12315807

>>12315726
conditioning = / = thinking

the chicken isnt AWARE of its actions, it just knows doing X gets it food or treats

its not capable of creative expression and wouldnt recognise itself in the mirror

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>>12315794
What insane numbers? What cattle ranchers? Are you actually retarded? You brought them up in the first place, dipshit.

Your 'moral argument' is inconsistent, and is applied only when you feel like it, you hypocritical malnourished ape.

>> No.12316143

>>12314071
>why do vegans not eat meat but want their food to look like meat?
>seems hypocritical to me

It's amazing OP. Vegans go to great lengths to make certain the milk they are buying and drinking is NOT MILK (but some soy/almond substitute) and the yoghurt etc is NOT YOUGURT etc, then they make videos and casually call the soy powder slop "milk" or "yogurt" it's pure insanity as Sv3rige has observed many times.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLk5AAKRem8

>> No.12316152

>>12315769
Here are two awesome videos which provide the visual proof of the killing, murder, of animals for vegans food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McW1fJHY0-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjF-CTCiJ_c

>> No.12316154

>>12314071
Most vegans would eat lab-grown meat when it's available because their issue is mostly with factory farming and the billions of animals being killed. I'm not a vegan, but the dislike of such a large amount of death is pretty normal.

>> No.12316157

>>12314118
Don't transition man it's only gonna bring you more peacelessness

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>>12316154
It's ironic because vegans spend most of their time 'proving' how horrible and disease causing meat is .... I don't see why they would eat cloned meat, considering how quickly it gives you heart attack/cancer etc etc (according to them)

Maybe it's for casual shoppers, who don't have youtube channels lol, they're already buying soy milk etc etc.

>> No.12316175

>>12314236
This.
>>12314359
Based retard

>> No.12316192

>>12316172
>It's ironic because vegans spend most of their time 'proving' how horrible and disease causing meat is
There are some who say they like meat and just have a moral issue with it. It's easy to see which ones are a bit more fanatical once they start trying to say veganism is healthier though. And you'll probably see less of the "veganism is healthier" arguments once lab-grown meat is available since they won't have to keep trying to justify the diet since there'd be a guilt-free alternative.

>> No.12316243

>>12316152
Don't cattle consume way more plants than humans? So arent omnivores responsible for not only the death of the cow, but the vastly larger amount of pigeons and mice than vegans?

>> No.12316250

>>12316192
Generally avoiding red meat is healthiest, stuff like chicken is just high in cholesterol, which can of course contribute to heart disease. I'm quite sure the optimal diet if you still consume meat would be fish, as it doesn't contain all the negative affects of red meat/pork/chicken.

>> No.12316294

>>12316250
>Generally avoiding red meat is healthiest
I think the issue is just the amount that people consume more than red meat being inherently unhealthy, and that their general diet also isn't the healthiest with too much junk food and sugar. I only really crave meat about once a week, and the rest of the time I'm eating eggs, cheese, peanut butter, beans, etc. for protein. So you probably don't need to eat a pound of it or more every day like some people do.

>> No.12316301

>>12314348
>Rape is the most intense pleasure but is evil
Is rape the veal of sex?

>> No.12316366

>>12314071
i agree. if you want to be veg or vegan than just eat vegetables and pulses,,,,such as indian food. no need to have vegan cheese and tofu meat and setain and all this and that and third

>> No.12316381

>>12314105
Trannies choose the opposite sex, that's the whole point. The ones who identify as anything but are a different breed of degeneracy.

>> No.12316382

>>12316381
Then what's this whole "gender is a spectrum" nonsense that is constantly pushed?

>> No.12316397

>>12316301
The best kind of rape is the kind that's technically not rape. Psychological manipulation of women is the best. It's a shame it gets so difficult when women are past their early 20s. Although once in their 30s you can leverage their fear of not having kids in the most creative ways.

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>>12316243
>Don't cattle consume way more plants than humans?

No. Cows eat grass, and wheat and silage (grass and stuff) Things which humans cannot, and do not eat.

1. You may be thinking of hogs and chickens, but vegan propaganda always make the 'cow' argument, for their own (((reasons)))
2. Cows do consume, some, grains on feedlots, but that is not all cows, and that is not all their lives, just the end "fattening up" part.

Cows can spend (and should spend) their entire lives like pic related....

https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

>> No.12316464

>>12316157
this meme is so weird to me

myself and every tranny i know of has swung a 180 on depression after transitioning and is happier with themselves than they've ever been, don't pretend like you know what's best for people you hate

>> No.12316465

>>12316382
I think it was mostly supposed to mean that there are also feminine men and masculine women, which is okay. And maybe for intersex people. But it started to get a little silly with the literally 30+ genders and people trying to one up each other by claiming a new gender.

>> No.12316475

>>12316464
i think the people who say stuff like that have more of an issue with the fact that the medical stuff isn't perfect yet more than the trannies themselves

>> No.12316488

>>12316475
I mean HRT is pretty spot-on. SRS is a mixed bag depending on who you get but I know of several people who have gotten it from Suporn and they're more than thrilled with the results

Transition will never be perfect but it's way, way better than nothing

>> No.12316517

>>12314071
dunno buddy, i'm from a household thatused to butcher when iwas younger, so i do know what i tastes like etc. however, since i am also a couple of buzzwords that get the average 4chan poster to REEE i think emulation is an acceptable pratice, since a lot of people like me didn't quit for taste. in any way idgaf ultimately, because i am happy to eat flowers eternally

>> No.12316682

>>12314071
(Mostly) vegan here. I don't like fake meat. Seems silly to me, and I don't like the taste of most of it.

>> No.12316775

>>12316682
I'm not a vegan but some veggie burgers are okay. And I had fake chicken nuggets and fish sticks which were pretty close to the real thing.

>> No.12316782

>>12314071
>t. Brainlet
It shocks me how some people dont "get" the concepts and foundational thoeries of veganism yet still trash it.
t. Non vegan

>> No.12316812

>>12314071
>Be lesbian
>Sexually repulsed by penises and male bodies
>Use dildos and strapons for sex when penetration is completely unrequired for female orgasm
>Clearly okay with some body hair, muscle, flat chests, boxy bodies, no makeup, and husky voices, based on typical lesbian partners
Sometimes shit just don't make sense yo

>> No.12316836

>>12314071
Because they don't think meat tastes bad, they just don't like where it came from.

>> No.12316838

cummy wummies in my tummy :3

>> No.12316843

>>12314370
>be vegan
>absolutely freak out on random people online for questioning your questionable diet
personally i think it's the cholesterol deficiency

>> No.12316968

>>12316843
>be carnist
>see a vegan thread
>get extremely paranoid that the 2% of the population who are vegan are part of a vast globalist, atheist, socialist, gombunist, jewish, muslim conspiracy to take away muh meat
Personally, I think it's the chronic arteriosclerosis.

>> No.12316983

I like to watch those insider videos of 3rd world meat processing plants where they torment the pigs and chickens before my meal. It makes the meat taste so much sweeter.

>> No.12316993

>>12314071
seems like a western thing

>> No.12317135

>>12316397
Imagine being happily married to a woman for 50 years and it was all just a clever ruse and then you rape her.

>> No.12317773

>>12315585
go eat some more paste you poser at individuality

>> No.12317781

>>12315807
you have no way of knowing that

>> No.12317788

>>12314071
How is that hypocritical? They want to eat the same food the rest of us eat but probably choose not to for perceived ethical reasons. Hence imitation meat.

>> No.12317792

>>12317781
do you know how stupid chickens are

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>>12316983
>I like to watch those insider videos of 3rd world meat processing plants where they torment the pigs and chickens before my meal. It makes the meat taste so much sweeter.
I like being a mentally healthy adult who can both eat meat and maintain a sense of respect for the animals we get meat from, but to each his own I guess.

>> No.12317810

>>12317792
yes

that's not an argument

>> No.12317857

>>12315807
>conditioning = / = thinking
What are you talking about? Thinking is conditioned as fuck. Go pull up some Sesame Street on youtube, the way you teach people how to think when they're kids is through extreme amounts of repetition more than anything. Most of the time people of any age aren't consciously aware of what they're doing. Autopilot is the norm.
It's easy not to recognize this as true because we tend to attribute everything we do to the "self," but if you take language for example it's not like everyone here is actually thinking through which little line drawings correspond to each letter in each word of each block of text they're shitposting to 4chan. Or similar deal with moving around. You don't really consciously orchestrate all the little muscle movements required to make walking happen. You can check out videos of people with damage to the cerebellum to see the huge difference between walking on autopilot vs. not having balance taken care of automatically and needing to consciously monitor and direct your body from one step to the next.

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>>12314071

>> No.12317985

>>12314105
binary trans people and nonbinary "gender isn't real" trans people are different groups

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>>12314568
Qorn? Is corn an animal byproduct now? Has science gone too far?

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>why do vegans eat vegan food?

The world may never know

>> No.12318064

>>12314183
Post feet anyway

>> No.12318816

>>12317857
conditioning is part of thinking, sure, but animals dont actively know WHY they are doing it. they dont have higher thinking, no sense of self nor time, no concept of the future, even squirrels saving acorns for the winter, its all done instinctively.

>> No.12318894

>>12314359
Morality isn't about other people, it's about ourselves. It's perfectly rational to make lifestyle choices based on our feelings, recommended even. If we feel happier by not killing animals to live, then why wouldn't we do that?

>> No.12318898

>>12314118
You're a man. You'll always be aman. You will never not be aman. Nobody will ever believe you are a woman, but nobody in their right mind would ever deem to call you a "man" as a term of respect, either. You will never have a uterus. You will never bear children. You will never give milk. You would have done better to accept reality rather than allow yourself to be taken in by charlatans who promised you the world.

There's a reason you dumb fucks keep killing yourselves, you know, and it sure as shit isn't "muh bullying".

>> No.12318966

>>12314071
because it's not for them, it's for YOU because they want you to stop eating meat. get it, yet?

>> No.12318972

>>12318898
>There's a reason you dumb fucks keep killing yourselves, you know, and it sure as shit isn't "muh bullying".
suicide rates are still lower in places where they aren't mistreated as much though, and people who go through traumatic experiences in general are more likely to commit suicide.

maybe you just have an issue with the medical stuff seeming barbaric and not advanced enough to make them "real" women, in which case you shouldn't be trying to abuse people with medical problems. or maybe you have an obsession with suicide because it confuses you, or maybe the thought of death itself confuses you. which is normal. but you shouldn't try to take it out on others.

>> No.12319053

>>12318972
transgenders have a higher suicide rate than jews in Auschwitz, you certainly don't have it as bad as they did so there's more to it than bullying

>> No.12319061

>>12314547
>dnd 3.5
>superior to anyone

>> No.12319062

>>12319053
>so there's more to it than bullying
obviously, but if less bullying still results in less suicides, would that make you treat them better? do you want to abuse anyone else who has been through something tough and has issues even if it's not from bullying?

>> No.12320447

>>12314118
>mtf tranny here
stopped reading there

>> No.12322136

>>12314105
You don't know what you're talking about, and pretending otherwise embarrasses you.

>> No.12322150

>>12314425
You know Astartes aren't vegan, right?

>> No.12322158

>>12316382
1. Mostly not pushed by trans, and 2. >>12316465

>> No.12322162

>>12319053
>there's more to it than bullying
>so I'm free to bully as much as I want
Remember the times when you were bullied, anon. Why would you do that to someone else? Does it make you feel strong?

>> No.12322221

>>12314359
You don't even know what sentient means retard.

Charitably you're trying to say sapient or maybe self-aware.

>> No.12322231

>>12322150
That's a Primarch and he's such so stoic, spartan, and focused on discipline of the self in pursuit of what he thinks needs to be done, while also not actually having a biological need to eat, that it would be very unsurprising if he was vegan.

>> No.12322237

>>12314071
The vegans are right. I'm not vegan, but we're kidding ourselves with these insane, convoluted rationalizations that such an obviously hellish thing is right.

>> No.12322243
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>>12322231
>Astartes gains
>vegan

>> No.12322247

>>12322243
Man you literally don't know what you're talking about. This is an advanced level of posing for something so nerdy and lacking in status.

>> No.12322265

>>12322247
R U S S

>> No.12323971

>>12316488
literally killl yourself you fucking worm of a non human pest