/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.12002693]

Has anyone had the Impossible Burger 2.0 yet? It is supposedly and finally cheaper than beef.
I personally can't wait to try it.

https://www.cnet.com/news/impossible-burger-2-0-tastes-like-beef-really/

[Anonymous No.12002704]

Cant imagine itll be worse than a mcdouble patty.

[Anonymous No.12002709]

>>12002704
Literally everything is worse than mcdonalds "meat".

[Anonymous No.12002714]

>>12002709
I don't think you thought that post out bud

[Anonymous No.12002729]

>>12002709
Is McDonalds ""meat"" the original ""impossible"" burger?

[Anonymous No.12002734]

>>12002709
You must have turned your brain off for a second there

[Anonymous No.12002740]

Is the price of beef a big issue in the US for the average consumer? Here in Australia I can get 5kg of good rump steak for about $18 AUD

[Dr. Princess (Frost) No.12002745]

>>12002693

>be virtue-signaling herbivore faggot
>h-humans weren't designed to eat meat, carnist
>spend decades and millions on modern-day alchemy in an effort to fill the crushing void deep within your shriveled, vestigial consciousness
>m-meat is disgusting murder!
>I-I'm happy and healthy, really I am!

[Anonymous No.12002750]

>>12002709
>false flagging

[Anonymous No.12002755]

>>12002740
>Is the price of beef a big issue in the US for the average consumer?

No, which is why it would be a big deal for Impossible to *finally* be competitively priced against ground beef. Being cheaper than beef is literally the only advantage it could have. Unfortunately for vegans, I read the article, and it is not true that Impossible is cheaper than beef. Maybe next decade.

[Anonymous No.12002758]

>>12002745
Who mentioned vegans? Does somebody have a boogeyman? Aww, it's okay little guy, rest your little head. I'm not vegan.

[Anonymous No.12002774]

>>12002740
A kilo of organic ground chuck will cost me ~10 Euro. Non organic cheaper of course.

[Dr. Princess (Frost) No.12002778]

>>12002758

Save it, kikepuppet. Everyone here on /fastfood/ already knows better. Try my home board, /k/; they'll rage at anything.

[Anonymous No.12002779]

>>12002778
What happens when plantbased meat is indistinguishable and cheaper than regular meat?
Will governments pull all the meat subsidies? Will Tyson foods crash and burn?
It seems like it's already a billion dollar industry, backed by Bill Gates and other billionaires and multibillion dollar corporations.
https://youtu.be/nIiLqNQOgPA

[Anonymous No.12002781]

>>12002693
Tried White Castle's version. Made me want to vomit. It's like someone softened up a bunch of cardboard, soaked it in fake blood then grilled it and doused it in MSG.

[Dr. Princess (Frost) No.12002785]

>>12002779

How fucking young are you, seriously? They've been pushing this shit since the nineties, and none of the morality-millstone dumbasses who've bought into it seems to have thought to ask the obvious question: why?

[Anonymous No.12002787]

>>12002779
>Will governments pull all the meat subsidies?

Probably not? The entire point of subsidies is to guarantee low prices and availability for a product regardless of market conditions.

[Anonymous No.12002790]

>>12002779
That will never happen. Every time science and industry gets involved the product becomes worse than its natural counterpart. I.e. industrial crops and factory-farmed meat both taste like crap compared to the alternative. Why do you think lab meat will be any different?

Don't get me wrong, it would be great if it tasted good. But I doubt it will, the track record for this sort of thing is the opposite.

[Anonymous No.12002792]

>>12002779
they can't make plantbased steaks

[Anonymous No.12002793]

>>12002779
It will never be indistinguishable until we get Star Trek replicators.

For the foreseeable future it can only get close for small pieces of chicken. It will likely stay more expensive regardless, especially if it needs to be fortified to get close to the nutrition of meat.

[Anonymous No.12002794]

>>12002790
>science makes things bad

[Anonymous No.12002802]

>>12002793
Isn't all meat fortified? For example, in Canada and the US, most cattle don't get enough vitamins due to lack of sun and sterile conditions so the government regulates how much fortification needs to be done beforehand and afterward. Those vitamins aren't very expensive...

[Anonymous No.12002809]

>>12002740
Price is not a big deal here, but seems like our prices are at least double of what you pay.

On the subject of soy burger? Who cares lol. When real meat disappears off the shelf then I guess I'll starve and die like vegans are doing now, by choice.

[Anonymous No.12002815]

>>12002802
>Isn't all meat fortified
No.
In fact, meat is almost never fortified.

Giving animals vitamins =/= fortifying a product. What next, are you going to say that giving plants fertilizer is "fortifying" them? Lolno. Fortification means to add a nutrient to a finished food, it has nothing to do with providing nutrients to a living orgainism.

[Anonymous No.12002818]

>>12002785
Exactly. I would like to know why these Norwegian billionaires, Saudi faggot princes and the WHO want to turn us into sickly soyboys.

Pierse Morgan is literally our last defender!

Long live Pierse!

[Anonymous No.12002819]

>>12002794
So far that's exactly what it's done to our food.

It's made it cheaper, but in every other way it's objectively worse. If you want good meat or good vegetables you need to avoid industrial ag and find old-school farmers who haven't traded away flavor for convenience or cost savings yet.

It's pretty simple, really: what tastes better? wild meat or factory farmed? tomatoes from Grandma's garden or the flavorless water balloons you get at the supermarket?

[Anonymous No.12002820]

>>12002802
Maybe they're fed fortified grains? I've never heard of meat being fortified

[Anonymous No.12002830]

>>12002740
In Canada 100g of ground beef can cost between 20 dollars (American) to 70 dollars (American).
In America people whom aren’t part of the global elite aren’t allowed to eat non-corn syrup food.

[Anonymous No.12002834]

>>12002815
So why does giving animals the vitamins many times per day, for years until slaughtering them cheaper than taking them directly?

[Anonymous No.12002839]

>>12002834
>giving animas vitamins multiple times per day
there's no such thing.

If you're asking why ranchers give animals vitamins it's the same reason why farmers give plants fertilizer: it results in higher yeild. A higher weight of salable product per unit input. A cattle rancher wants the most weight out of his herd, the same way that a farmer wants the highest weight of crop from his field.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with getting that/those vitamins into the human body.

[Anonymous No.12002847]

>>12002839
And now we know you're full of shit

[Anonymous No.12002850]

>>12002834
It doesn't have to taste good to the animals. Formulating something palatable for humans is more complex and will sometimes require more pure ingredients.

[Anonymous No.12002852]

>>12002839
I think he means why bother making meat nutritious when you can take vitamins but really vitamins serve to fill deficiencies

[Anonymous No.12002967]

>>12002852
The average diet is deficient in 8 vitamins. You should be taking multivitamins regardless of your diet.

[Anonymous No.12002995]

>>12002847
What point are you trying to make, anon? Did you think people give that product to animals multiple times a day? That's absurd, the labor takes too long. It's given every once in a while.

[Anonymous No.12002997]

>>12002852
>bother making meat nutritious
Nobody bothers to make meat nutritious for nutrtion's sake. They give animals (and plants) nutrients to increase their salable yield.

[Anonymous No.12003006]

>>12002704
You joke but it reminded me of a thicker McDonald's patty

[Anonymous No.12003008]

>>12002693
>finally cheaper than beef
Sounds like some grade A bullshit, but very interested if true.

[Anonymous No.12003012]

>>12002830
What is all this gram shit? Nobody knows what 100g is, my best guess is one bite.

[Anonymous No.12003013]

>>12003012
Just under a quarter pound. Pretty sure he's lying though, not even Canada could be that fucked.

[Anonymous No.12003019]

>>12003013
Thank you for explaining that to a non mertricized-cuck.

[Anonymous No.12003039]

>>12003019
>Thank you for explaining that to a dumb faggot
*fixed

[Anonymous No.12003045]

>>12003012
kek, even the dog knows.

[Anonymous No.12003211]

>>12002995
It's mixed with their feed...

[Anonymous No.12003217]

they're shit. had one last weekend. sure, if you dress it up and load a burger with toppings and sauces, you might be slightly fooled by the texture at best.
try a bite plain and not only are they miles away from beef flavor, they're also fucking disgusting. pass.

i just realized what i had was the "beyond burger" but it's too late and im sure all of the above applies to this turd, so fuck it

[Anonymous No.12003227]

>>12002830
This is bait unless you live in some frozen shit hole like Nunavut. I go and get 500g packages of ground beef at my grocery store in my little town in southern Ontario and I've never seen it be more than around $6.75 CAD ($5 USD).

[Anonymous No.12003277]

>>12003227
t. Trudeau boy
Post the in store prices!

[Anonymous No.12003296]

>>12003277
I hate that cuck, and I'm not at home to go and see if I've got some ground beef in the freezer (I know I don't have any fresh). Again, I know you're trolling but how do you or anyone retarded enough to take you seriously think that fast food restaurants like McDonald's would even be able to stay open if meat was that expensive? Even if they were able to get meat at 1/4 of that supposed price that would still be ridiculous. It would be even harder for smaller restaurants to survive if it was. Do you think a Big Mac here is like $15 or something?

[Anonymous No.12003301]

>>12003217
They are very different and you seem very angry for some reason. Would you like a nice Impossible Burger 2.0™?

[Anonymous No.12003592]

What they should do is have something similar to stock cubes filled with all the macros you need and a good amount of calories that you can cook with. Together with cubes that give you the micros you need they'd be a perfect way to supplement your regular cooking for poorfags. Throw some cubes in a pot together with spices, stock, maybe a bit of cream, whatever vegetables you want to eat and serve over potatoes or rice or whatever. Easier to cook with than beans and would help you get your full RDI. As long as it's shelf stable, cheap and not distasteful you'll see people keep it around for both emergencies and regular use.

Basically soylent powder meant to be used as an ingredient.

[Anonymous No.12003860]

>>12002740
I buy fresh ground chuck from my local grocery store for between $2.50 and $4.00 a pound, depending if it's on sale or not. And that's not that pre-ground, shipped frozen in a tube Walmart shit, but actual chuck cut up and ground in the store daily.

[Anonymous No.12004746]

>>12002693
I went and got one of these today. A local pub near my house pub had them. Got it with cheese, lettuce, onions, and tomatoes.
It... actually tasted like a real burger.
9/10

[Anonymous No.12005493]

I've yet to try either Impossible or Beyond, but what has to convince me more than just the flavor is the texture. I am extremely picky about texture.

[Anonymous No.12005499]

This might seem like a weird question, but does it hold heat well? I like my hamburger patty to be piping hot. I imagine this thing being stone cold for some reason.

[Anonymous No.12005660]

>>12005493
https://youtu.be/nIiLqNQOgPA
Watch this. They try to get it as close to meat as possible.

[Anonymous No.12005677]

>>12005660
>soy

IT'S A TRAP!

[Anonymous No.12005681]

>>12002693
Stop advertising here
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.12005705]

>>12002693
I'd go hungry before I ate one of those pieces of shit

[Anonymous No.12005711]

>>12002792
>they can't make plantbased steaks
Not 100%, though the breakthrough for all of the tissue cultured meats is the development of non-animal serums to grow the cells.
Before now, you had to use fetal calf blood plasma to culture bovine muscle tissues (which makes it even more expensive than any meat in existence). Using serums derived from plants or yeast culture extracts finally makes it cheaper than actual meat.

[Anonymous No.12005722]

>>12005677
>being afraid of soy

[Anonymous No.12005742]

>>12002693
so it's soy mix with flavor powder and some red juice mixed in. why the red juice? is this some mental hurdle people need in order to try it? "that burger better BLEED if you want me to take one fucking bite faggot." That is what this burger and their marketing aim to conquer, I feel. Retarded man-children who create distractions to their dissatisfaction with the size of their penis

[Anonymous No.12005761]

>>12002819
>i just LOVE unpasteurized juice and milk
>i prefer more seed than fruit, personally
>anti-biotics? YUCK! I rather eat diseased meat.
>no, no I want the fruits to be smaller! Why would you spend less money on larger produce?!
>high efficiency? better for the environment? c'mon we all know that's just elitist science-jew talk designed to confuse us.
>science just makes things worse. That's why I live in a mud hut without electricity and eat tainted meat from sick animals.
based retard

[Anonymous No.12005802]

>>12002750
Is that on an English muffin? I think I'm gonna be sick

[Anonymous No.12005844]

>>12005660
>they TRY to get it as close as possible

And if you try flapping your arms to fly like a bird, you will have just as much success as they did at trying to recreate meat.

[Anonymous No.12005863]

>>12002794
Applied technology does make things that one appreciates on a taste or artistic level bad, because it doesn't value those aspects.

[Anonymous No.12005874]

>>12002745
red meat is actually bad for you though

[Anonymous No.12006178]

>>12005742
If you watched the video and paid attention, it's not just a cosmetic function. Holy shit, you're the one being retarded right now.

[Anonymous No.12006183]

>>12002693
Beyond Meat's burgers, sausages, and such are the best substitutes I've had yet. My non-vegan coworkers have tried it and say it's incredible. We buy it from Whole Foods and Epic Burger.
Never even heard of Impossible Burger, not that I was looking, though.

[Anonymous No.12006260]

>>12002740
In germany you pay 6 times more.

[Anonymous No.12006886]

>>12005863
The video literally shows you their technology and strategy for making it taste exactly the same though. I personally want to try one.

[Anonymous No.12006922]

>>12006886
The video literally wasted your time, because their strategy failed and the product is shit.

[Anonymous No.12007156]

>>12006922
>t. Never tried it

[Anonymous No.12007172]

>>12002967
Or you could just stop being a faggot and eat some liver

[Anonymous No.12007174]

>>12005660
The narrator is such a faggot. Look at the jew soyboys developing this shit. Fuck all these kikes

[Anonymous No.12007474]

>>12007174

[Anonymous No.12007482]

>>12002693
Goddamn California trannies are shilling this hard.

[Anonymous No.12007959]

>>12003039
>Seething non-American.

Measure out your vegan tears in milliliters.

[Anonymous No.12008614]

>>12007482
Are you really this triggered over an ethically, nutritionally and environmentally superior product?

[Anonymous No.12008738]

>>12002785
>muh conspiracies, duh jews
plants are inherently and indisputably cheaper & more efficient to maintain and process than animals. it is so simple it doesn't even qualify for "economics 101". once again occam's razor slices right through the regular schizo /pol/ nonsense.
>b.. b.. but i didn't actually SAY it was a conspiracy/jews
you idiots are always en route to the same place, i just beat you there.

[Anonymous No.12009143]

>>12008614
>Ethically environmental etc superiour product°
>°in my opinion

Arguing which diet is healthier is dumb because we have opposite opinions. Be a happy healthy vegan with your wheatgrass diet bro, no carnivore cares what you eat.

[Anonymous No.12009157]

>>12008738
>°"in my vegan brainwashed mind"

If you love plants so much fucking eat them nobody gives a fuck lol. But the (((vegan agenda))) which you support is trying to force me into your starvation cult, that's where we have a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv6kFH-WwgA

[Anonymous No.12009989]

>>12009143
>>12009157
>this is the arguments you have on an omnivore diet
Shit man, you've turned me vegan.

[Anonymous No.12010002]

>>12005660
Is this the Ashkenazi test that weeds out the goyim from their lab?

[Anonymous No.12010049]

>>12002740
Here in midwest USA a pound of 80/20 ground beef costs about $3.50.
$2.99 for the 70/30 shit.

>>12002834
>>12002847
Are you fucking stupid? You answered your own question with that stupid image.
>for nutritional maintenance of healthy animals
It has nothing to do with vitamins for people because it's vitamins for cows, you absolute fucking mong. Cows need vitamins to be top tier healthy like any other living thing.
i.e. If your mom had taken her prenatals we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Anonymous No.12010063]

>>12002830
What northwest territories frozen hellhole do you live in? Extra lean ground beef is like 10 bucks a kilo in nova scotia

[Anonymous No.12010262]

>>12009157
you do realize the image you posted is claiming that vitamin a can't be gotten from plants, right?

[Anonymous No.12010686]

>>12009157
>the market is adapting to cut costs and i won't get what i waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant!!!!!!
if you can't afford the kind of meat you want then get off your lazy ass and get a better job. if you can't afford it you don't deserve it. i'm sick of you commie faggots thinking you deserve everything.

[Anonymous No.12011570]

I've eaten them, they're pretty good.
If I could reliably get it for cheaper than ground beef, then I'd probably switch over.

[Anonymous No.12011733]

>>12002693
Vegans and their fake food. They miss satisfying food so much they try to replicate it. Vegans are depressed, low sex drive people unable to admit that they miss real food.

[Anonymous No.12011761]

>>12011733
>haha those vegans are actually cooking and creating good food hahaha!

Yikes. Nothing cringier than an incel triggered by a carrot making him feel inadequate

[Anonymous No.12011895]

>>12010049
>cow lacks vitamins
>meat somehow has those vitamins afterwards
Are you literally fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.12012129]

>>12002745
>be herbivore
>eat meat
>die

[Anonymous No.12012139]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UvaDo-AevI

[Anonymous No.12012293]

>>12009989
Thank God. All NPCs should go vegan, and preferebly get vasectomies too.

[Anonymous No.12012381]

>>12002758
He said nothing about vegans

[Anonymous No.12012402]

>>12012129
>Be omnivore
>Eat pork beans rice and tons of vegetables
>Outlive rotting vegans and based vegetarians

[Anonymous No.12012414]

>>12012402
>Die from heart disease.

By my research, heart disease is the number one killer of vegans. so their memes and propaganda make zero sense.

[Anonymous No.12012422]

>>12012414
It's probably because obesity, which is more prevalent in omnivores, causes heart disease.

But so does their shitty cult diet.

[Anonymous No.12012424]

>>12002693
This one has soy, so I’m buying them. So many fat incels gonna be triggered

[Anonymous No.12012429]

>>12012414
Heart disease is the number one killer of human beings so that makes sense

[Anonymous No.12012492]

>>12011761
are vegans not incels because they lose their sex drive and therefore the "involuntary" part

[Anonymous No.12012501]

>>12005874
No, it isn't "actually" bad for you, "though".
I can tell you're low IQ by the stylometry you use in your post. Back in the day, imbeciles like you weren't even taught to read. You have no right to comment on anything.

[Anonymous No.12013583]

>>12012139
Lol what an idiot. Dont get me wrong, I eat meat but I'm not delusional. They use more crops for feed than if we just ate the plants directly. If you free range on grass it would be fine but it's not sustainable for our population. Just deal with the fact that animals are suffering. Unless you hunt and kill your own wild meat. In which case I salute you.

[Anonymous No.12013737]

>>12002709

[Anonymous No.12013752]

Here in Australia I've recently been buying this stuff from the mainstream supermarkets called "Minced" (Funky Fields Mince 100% Plant Based).

It's 100% plant based stuff that's made to LOOK like "mince", and it's genuinely very very close to actual mince in the way it works in food. I've tried lots of these artifical mock meats and cheese and mostly found them pretty terrible, but this is pretty awesome stuff. I've even fed this to someone who believed in was genuine mince meat and didn't realise it was vegan.

I wouldn't say it tastes exactly like beef but the way it actually works, looks, and the texture seems very close. If you can get your hands on this, I'd try it out.

[Anonymous No.12013759]

>>12012429
We just love *too* much!

[Anonymous No.12013770]

>>12012429
It's also a misleading statistic because heart failure just happens to be how people often die regardless of the root cause, and a misdiagnosis of heart disease is often retroactively applied.

[Anonymous No.12013887]

No (you) for you.

>be virtue-signaling herbivore faggot

Or perhaps some people are simply authentically upset by the knowledge that meat has to come from brutalising and then killing sentient beings?

>h-humans weren't designed to eat meat, carnist

The meat industry and government have pushed the opposite claim for 50+ years, and continue to do so based mostly on speculation and romantic ideals. The best evidence shows that all of our closest primate relatives are adapted for a diet that it's on average 98% plant-based, with most of the exception coming from insects like ants high in B12. Our teeth and digestive systems have not radically diverged from the teeth and digestive systems of our closest primate relatives. Our digestive systems RELY on a diet high in fibre (meat has zero) to function optimally and to dump toxins, hormones, etc that the body rejects. Every nutritional organisation on earth recognises that an adequately planned vegan diet is more than sufficient to meet all needs. None would say the same about a diet that consisted of even more than 30% meat.

>spend decades and millions on modern-day alchemy...

The meat industry here in Australia is subsidised by billions of government dollars and only exists because of modern technology and science. Even your average survivalist hunter uses lots of modern technology and you can bet your ass the moment they get sick or hurt they opt for "modern-day alchemy" of medicine and hospitals. Sami Reindeer herders use fricking GPS and often truck their reindeer long distances.

>m-meat is disgusting murder!

The vegan approach to this is very balanced and non-hystrionic. The vegan considers what 'murder' actually entails, why it might be bad, and then applies these principles universally. The human-centric carnis are more likely to be hystrionic hypocrites.

Begone spooks.

[Anonymous No.12013894]

Finally, a meat alternative perfect for guys like me!

[Anonymous No.12013934]

>>12013583
>I eat meat but I’m not delusional
>animals are suffering

Your story doesn’t check out.

[Anonymous No.12014016]

>>12013887
1
>perhaps some people are simply authentically upset by the knowledge that meat has to come from brutalising and then killing sentient beings?

You are "upset" that animals have to die for my food? But you don't give a microscopic fuck that animals have to deal for your food....
.https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

Because you are a Hypocrite supreme! (A leftist and a vegan, so that's a given)

[Anonymous No.12014026]

>>12002693
Yes, I have tried it because I was really curious! Is it "finally cheaper than beef"? FUCK NO, at least not at stores here! It's in the refrigerated section and $8.99/lb. Quality ground beef is $4.99/lb tops.

As for taste and texture they're not lying though, nearly indistinguishable from a real burger. But you HAVE to cook it properly, much less forgiving than actual meat.

[Anonymous No.12014239]

>>12014016

>You are "upset" that animals have to die for my food?

I did not say "your" food. I was responding to the accusation of "virtue-signaling". Most vegans were once omnivores themselves and although most people by the time they're in school know where meat comes from on a conceptual level - most have not actually invested significant time consciously considering it. Many people end up confronting the reality of where meat comes from and become upset by it. This was my point. That the accusation of "virtue signalling", while sometimes appropriate, in this case is being used to falsely characterise vegans as a whole. I know many, many vegans and most arrived at their position in the way I'm describing - by simply becoming conscious of the reality of how animals are treated and killed. So notice that I never made a contrast between "you" and "me", but then you jump to representing my argument that way, possibly in an unconscious attempt to claim that (or simply an assumption that) I'm belittling you for not being vegan. It's a false characterisation, as blanketing vegans with the accusation of "virtue signalling" is.

[Anonymous No.12014257]

>>12014016

>But you don't give a microscopic fuck that animals have to deal for your food....

Another false assumption\assertion. You're projecting a notion that vegans are somehow "absolutist" in their position and don't have a nuanced comprehension of the reality. ALL of the vegans I know were once non-vegan, and all completely understand that being vegan doesn't somehow make you as an individual morally "clean", washed of "blood guilt" or something. This is a characterisation put forth in the very title of the article you've linked to, in order to set up a 'straw man'. Every vegan I know is aware that they live in a world dominated by animal-consumption as a cultural norm, and the average vegan is MORE educated on average on how food (including vegan food) is produced, how it's delivered, who is delivering it, etc.

Most vegans take the very simple position that the first and major step away from brutalising animals unnecessarily is to take a position against the DELIBERATE and unnecessary killing of highly complex animals. When you purchase a pack of meat at the supermarket, you're effectively (it's much more complex than this, as most vegans know) paying for an item that can only be produced by the raising of animals as commodities to be killed, and that this process even under the strictest conditions happens to be cruel. Just consider the life of the average vegan. The average vegan lives surrounded by people who consume animal products. The average vegan faces animal products anywhere they go. Most vegans ENJOYED eating animal products at one point. They live in an economy built by people who consume animal products (but who don't HAVE to). Most vegans have non-vegan friends! They are fully aware that they are a single small part of a complex economy and that their own act of going vegan is only a very small thing in this context - but they are attempting to do SOMETHING, and attempting to educate and encourage others to do the same.

[Anonymous No.12014273]

>>12014016

Abolishing slavery hasn't ended all forms of exploitation of labour, has it? Does that make abolishing slavery pointless? Or a better question may be - as an individual, given the choice between buying something from a slaveowner, and buying something, even if slightly more expensive, from someone who pays his\her labourers and doesn't claim the right of live or death over them, isn't it better NOT to buy from the slaveowner?

I will not bother to address the specific claims of the article you've linked to because this is a very old argument that most vegans have heard before, the argument is responded to and debunked by commenters on the page, and has been debunked by a variety of sources outside of the page you've linked to. It also makes all sorts of assumptions and claims about NUMBERS which are very clearly based on faulty assumptions and reasoning, but those issues would require too much time right now for me to go into debunking here, and I have other places to be.

>Because you are a Hypocrite supreme! (A leftist and a vegan, so that's a given)

You've characterised me as a "leftist" without any access to information on any political position held by me. More aspersions. I get the feeling that no matter what I tell you about my own positions, you'd find a way to be outraged by them. I take no position on laws or the state, I do not support any form of government. I am a man of faith (I believe in the God of the Old Testament [yes, the one where in the Garden of Eden God prescribed a vegan diet]). Most would see me as 'pro gun' (but again take no position for or against laws of any kind). I am married to an Afrikaaner girl who was once a prolific hunter of impalas.

Have a good day.

[Anonymous No.12014314]

Reminder the longest lived people on Earth eat meat and god is okay with eating meat
God doesn't give a crap about me killing a cow so I can eat it's delicious flesh

[Anonymous No.12015164]

Has it rolled out to all the Impossible Burger locations or are most of them still serving the original recipe?

>>12014314
I eat meat, but don't you at least find the idea of people being able to fake meaty qualities using plants kind of interesting? Like as a curiosity?

[Anonymous No.12015173]

>>12002693
you are a shill and you should head on over to /a/ and isekai yourself. The ice age is coming and this bullshit is designed to train the unwashed masses into giving up real meat in exchange for unhealthy fake shit. This product is designed to take poor people one step closer to accepting nothing but bug meat and plant-based substitutes for their main sources of protein. 50 years from now when your children are apart of a permanent underclass, subsisting on this fake shit and you can't figure out why they never reached their full potential just remember: you poisoned them during childhood so they became permanently crippled from malnutrition while you happily force fed them slop your grandparents wouldn't even consider fit for pet food.

[Anonymous No.12015180]

Why do vegans want to eat pretend-meat that tastes like the real thing? Why not just get over yourselves and eat real beef?

[Anonymous No.12015184]

>>12012129
>2019
>still believing 1990s propaganda by agriculture industry that meat magically stays in your arteries and gives you heart disease after 50 years of eating bacon because the stuff your body literally needs to make things like your BRAIN are 'bad for you'.
>not realizing it was sugar and other carbohydrates all along and that this has been known since the 1960s

remember to eat your 15 servings of whole grains a day, this message brought to you by the american wheat industry.

[Anonymous No.12015191]

>>12015180
it's about conditioning the population to accept non-food as food so the real food can be kept and enjoyed by the ruling classes. Theyve been pushing this fake meat bullshit for years now on reddit on /futurology/, it's basically a social engineering project.

[Anonymous No.12015202]

>>12015180
>>12015191
It's because the cattle industry is a massive drain of energy and resources, and the founder behind Impossible wanted to figure out the best problem he could solve for humanity.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/bill-gates-backed-impossible-burger-ceo-patrick-brown-on-fighting-meat.html

[Anonymous No.12015205]

>>12015191
This is all disgusting, I hope the ice age wipes out these vegans and the ruling classes.

[Anonymous No.12015219]

>>12015191

I'm a member of the overclass, and yes I can confirm this is our plan, we have a meeting about this the other day.

One new development is that we also want your kids eating soy and grain to fatten them up so we can start eating them.

[Anonymous No.12015228]

>>12015219
Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.12015235]

>>12015202
The founder wanted to get crazy rich, that's it.

[Anonymous No.12015302]

>>12015164
Of course I do but until it's cheaper and tastes better It's useless to me just like most of the stuff I'm insteresd in

[Anonymous No.12015384]

>>12002740
cost isn't really the problem, you can buy tubes of shitty cheap factory beef at walmart for cheap
it's a societal issue, people are taking a look at how much water and farmland it takes to raise cattle, and how much pollution it creates (look up manure lagoons)

[Anonymous No.12015386]

>>12015302
according to OP it's apparently both
so what then

[Anonymous No.12015653]

>>12015173
Not him but this sounds like a pretty cool dystopian future story idea. I know they're all the same but I still enjoy them.

[Anonymous No.12015659]

>>12015219
SECRET meeting

[Anonymous No.12015667]

>>12015228

I am. I could detail our entire agenda but I'm on board for most of it. The only thing I disagree with is the mandatory chastity and feminising of boys who fail to find a girlfriend.

[Anonymous No.12015755]

>>12014257
>Most vegans take the very simple position that the first and major step away from brutalising animals unnecessarily is to take a position against the DELIBERATE and unnecessary killing of highly complex animals

Note- You are just simply a liar, dissembler,dd d

And sophist..

for your cause (your starvation cult)

Dumping chemical weapons (pesticides) on wild animals is 100.00000000000% deliberate, intentional, killing. This is what you do with your money. This is what every vegan does.

Also vegans are comical, in their use of the term "necessary"

For example, your food is "necessary" my food is not. Basically when a vegan liar like you says "necessary" it means "what I like and what I do"

Thank God you are at least starving yourselves to death.

[Anonymous No.12015760]

>>12015184
A medical doctor has come out and confirmed this. I will get the link up in future threads.

[Anonymous No.12015799]

>>12015755

Wow, an imagine full of cherry-picked malnourished-looking people! I'm sure that represents the tens of millions of vegans around the world!

I've been vegan for 10 years and I don't have ANY issues with nutrition. You're simply projecting your imagination

>For example, your food is "necessary" my food is not.

I used the word 'unnecessary' because every major national and international nutritional organisation on Earth agrees that an adequately planned vegan diet is more than sufficient for human nutrition. So the killing of animals is absolutely unnecessary - regardless of who eats it.

Is it possible you have higher protein requirements than me? Sure, but you could get that from vegan proteins.

[Anonymous No.12015810]

>>12015755
Im not that guy but I'll add something. Neither diets are technically necessary as long as you have an alternative. Knowing this, you can decide if you like one where animals suffer more than eating plants. About your health argument: do you believe it is impossible to be as healthy as a vegan as you could be as a omnivore or do you think it's just way harder and people fuck it up all the time?

[Anonymous No.12015836]

>>12013934
Wat lol? Its logically consistent so I assume you just dont believe me. Animals are suffering and I've come to terms with my own apathy about it. Meat taste better than I care about animals. Probably there would be more vegans if everyone consciously considered this. Most people just cover their ears and close their eyes and continue to believe in their cognitive dissonance on the issue.

[Anonymous No.12015911]

>>12013894
This guy eats meat though. His Instagram has like twenty tendies in it.

[Anonymous No.12015921]

>>12015755

[Anonymous No.12015926]

>>12015836

[Anonymous No.12016118]

>>12015926
Kek posting this on a cooking board of all places. Yeah man, multiple ingredients in a single dish often have different flavors which compliment each other. Shocking I know

[Anonymous No.12016148]

>>12016118
Nonargument

[Anonymous No.12016169]

>>12002693
>tastes like beef
>not actually beef
I'll pass.

[Anonymous No.12016243]

>>12015911
Maybe they were rabbit tendies and he's suffering from rabbit starvation.

[Anonymous No.12016300]

>>12016148
Wat? Maybe explain what the point of that image is where what I said didn't directly refute it.

[Anonymous No.12016336]

>>12015760
>i will get the link up in future threads
Why not this one? Could it be because you don't have one and are pulling shit out of your ass?

[Anonymous No.12016340]

>>12016169
>le reddit purist
Cringe

[Anonymous No.12016362]

>>12002693
I actually would like to try this. My girlfriend went vegan lately so I figured these might be good. Finally found a restaurant that has them
>Served with cheese
>cooked with oil and butter
>served on Brioche
>she won't eat it
Dating a vegan is suffering.

[Anonymous No.12016368]

>>12015926
Do vegans not season their food or cook their food? Sauces and seasonings don't exclusively exist to mask flavors, when used competently they exist to enhance.
But you're just baiting for (you)s so who cares.

[Anonymous No.12016460]

>>12016368
The seasoning is the flavor anon. Look at tofu. It has no taste and can be made to taste like anything. Go eat some raw meat and tell me how it tastes.

[Anonymous No.12016466]

>>12015386
it's not unless common meats in the country you live in is extremely expensive
I live in California so meat is cheap especially if you're desperate enough to buy shitty walmart factory beef

[Anonymous No.12016471]

>>12015799
>every major national and international nutritional organisation on Earth agrees that an adequately planned vegan diet is more than sufficient for human nutrition. .

[Anonymous No.12016479]

>>12016460
If I cook it it would taste pretty decent for something that doesn't have any sauces or seasoning on it

[Anonymous No.12016496]

>>12016362
Let the bitch find her own food then.

[Anonymous No.12016511]

>>12016460
>seasoning is the flavor anon
No it really isn't. It adds to the flavor of the cooked meat.

[Anonymous No.12016598]

>>12016368
>Do vegans not season their food or cook their food?

They don’t. They can’t take the risk that a spice mix may have an animal-derived anti-caking agent, that a salt might have been harvested by slave labor, or that a pepper might have been grown in manure.

[Anonymous No.12016889]

It's literally impossible to prove plants don't have consciousness and don't feel pain. There's actually strong evidence they do. Check mate atheists.

[Anonymous No.12016896]

>>12016598
>incel humor
Yikes

[Anonymous No.12016986]

>>12016889
>plants have souls
Is that why knuckle dragging, mouthbreathing evangelicals don't eat vegetables, particularly microgreens because that's tantamount to midterm abortion?

[Anonymous No.12017032]

>>12002830
I have ground veal in my fridge RIGHT NOW that was $11/KG in fucking Toronto stop fucking lying you seething third-worlder

[Anonymous No.12017067]

>>12016336
Stay vegan my friend....

[Anonymous No.12017139]

>>12017067
>3 examples
>full time antivegan
>strawman and fake accusations
>proof by example
Your brain on carnism

[Anonymous No.12017155]

>>12015760
>I will get the link up in future threads.

[Anonymous No.12017271]

>>12017139
>A healthy vegan.

best joke ever told.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ

[Anonymous No.12017318]

>>12017271
>3rd proof by example
>3 examples
>full time antivegan
>strawman and fake accusations
>proof by example
Your brain on carnism

[Anonymous No.12017397]

>>12002794
You goddamn mongoloid. Apply yourself.

[Anonymous No.12017424]

>>12006260
Yeah, 18AUD for 5kg seems outrageously cheap, so cheap in fact that i'm inclined to call him a lying bogan faggot.

[Anonymous No.12017437]

>>12011761
You have to go back.

[Anonymous No.12017461]

>>12002779
>Let's mimic a raw uncooked burger.
It's almost like they don't know what real burgers are supposed to look like.

[Anonymous No.12017473]

>>12012129
I like how you posted a picture that doesn't support your argument. Quality stuff mate. Try learning about statistics, correlation, and the scientific method before putting your foot in your mouth next time.

[Anonymous No.12017501]

>>12010063
Hey fellow Nova Scotia bro! And yah desu lean ground beef is usually around $3. Sirloin tip steak can be the same price on sale.

[Anonymous No.12017507]

>>12017473
Wow you destroyed him with facts and logic dude!!

[Anonymous No.12018031]

Hmm let's get to the bottom of it?
Are vegans healthy?

[Anonymous No.12018081]

>>12002740
$5 for 1lb of 80/20 chuck here

louisiana is a shitty fucking place dont come here

[Anonymous No.12018443]

>>12018031
>3 examples
>full time antivegan
>strawman and fake accusations
>proof by example
Your brain on carnism

[Anonymous No.12018459]

>>12002693
i only ever bother to buy ground turkey which in my opinion is just as good. what they should focus on is making a mega chicken that yields in meat closer to beef than poultry

[Anonymous No.12018495]

Why are most the vegans on /ck/ retarded
It's only ever here I see a retarded vegan

[Anonymous No.12018625]

[Anonymous No.12018628]

>>12018625

[Anonymous No.12018665]

>>12018625
Didn't Jesus miraculously multiplied fish for people to eat?

[Anonymous No.12018740]

>Indistinguishable from real meat
Maybe if all you ever eat is a fucking ground meat burgers, if even

Let me know when you vegans can enjoy a nice, marbled, thick slab of ribeye cut against the grain to a perfect med-rare

[Anonymous No.12018799]

>>12018740
Actually it's indistinguishable from real meat if all you ever eat is hamburgers made from meat from a dollar store or a shitty run down walmart

[Anonymous No.12018807]

>>12002794
Jewish indoctrinated pro vaxx good goy detected

[Anonymous No.12018814]

>>12003012
Is that niglet adopted or did that woman literally get bbc sperm inside her, whats the story here? This fills me with a dread

[Anonymous No.12018857]

>>12016148
Nonfunctioning autistic human being. Nonanswer. Nonrebuttle. Nonfuckyourselfanddie

[Anonymous No.12019137]

>>12018443
this bitch has aged so much in a few years lol
pic related is from her most recent video

[Anonymous No.12019816]

>>12018665
Real time divine replication isn't killing anon.

[Anonymous No.12019819]

>Only available in AMERICA

Come on you dumb stale euro hamburger industry, copy this shit already instead of making the buns of dumber shit every year.

[Anonymous No.12019933]

>>12019819
Why would we want to copy such a fucking chemical abomination? Literally saw dust and plastic

[Anonymous No.12019958]

>>12019933
>Impossible Burgers are made from a handful of ingredients, including wheat protein, potato protein and coconut oil. Many of these products have been used in veggie burgers before, so the Impossible Burger's real secret sauce is a substance called leghemoglobin, or "heme" for short. It's this heme that makes the burgers bleed.

Is the word "leghemoglobin" scaring you or what's up anon?

[Anonymous No.12019964]

>>12019958
I just don't prefer to eat chemical abominations. I eat food, not lab made mush formed in a patty injected with various big pharma """vitamin""" powders.

[Anonymous No.12019980]

>>12019964
I like how your examples has nothing to do with the Impossible Burger.

[Anonymous No.12019985]

>>12019980
Tell me how does it magically acquire Vitamin B12 then? or B6? Or B2?

[Anonymous No.12020008]

>>12019985
https://impossiblefoods.com/faq/
>Extract nutrients from named plants
>Incorporate into patty
>BIG PHARMA """VITAMIN""" POWDER INJECTIONS

I bet you don't mind the animals you eat are injected with a hefty dose of antibiotics.

[Anonymous No.12020017]

>>12020008
There is no Vitamin B12 in any plant whatsoever you dumb fuck, why do you think vegans supplement it from the same exact powder pills?
You clearly know jackshit about what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.12020023]

>>12019985
you realize they also supplement cows with that?

[Anonymous No.12020027]

>>12020023
If you eat Walmart tier supermarket meat, yes. Which is why you should eat local small farm grass fed meat.

[Anonymous No.12020038]

>>12018807
Glad a lot of stupidity is gonna die out after fucking measles, polio, and smallpox takes you lot out

[Anonymous No.12020100]

>>12020017
Not him but I always just believed it when people said that. Apparently it's not true. Sounds like nori is a good source. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042564/

[Anonymous No.12020144]

>>12020100
Only raw non dried nori, which basically no one consumes
https://youtu.be/es-8qIaxRRY

[Anonymous No.12020181]

>>12020144
I eat dried nori. Who eats undried? Not enough but then again I eat meat and take a multivitamin. Point is that even if you were against supplements for some reason you could still get it from a "natural" source

[Anonymous No.12020186]

>>12020144
Er wait I think I misunderstood what you said. I am reading in this study and in this video that it is the dried stuff that gives you the b12 and not the raw stuff

[Anonymous No.12020191]

>>12020181
>Vitamin B-12 comes in a variety of forms, some of which are active, while others are inactive and can’t be absorbed by your body. Most types of seaweed contain inactive forms of the vitamin, which is sometimes referred to as pseudovitamin B-12. The majority of blue and green algae, including spirulina, contain the inactive form, according to an article in the June 2013 issue of the “Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.” The purple laver tested in 2001 was reported to contain active forms. However, seaweed is not a reliable source of B-12, according to the Vegetarian Resource Group.
So no, you can't get B12 you need exclusively from nori, or any plant source for that matter.

[Anonymous No.12020209]

>>12020191
What are you quoting from? I am having trouble finding it

[Anonymous No.12020223]

>>12020191
To add to that, what you pasted doesn't contradict the study. Only that the "vegetarian resource group" that looked pretty sketchy and unscientific say it is "not reliable". I want to know why they think this. Everything I am reading suggests I could easily get all my b12 just from eating it.

[Anonymous No.12020245]

>>12020209
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17959839
>>12020223
>Everything I am reading suggests I could easily get all my b12 just from eating it.
Bioavailability is a thing, also there's active and inactive B12, and as said most of the edible blue-green algae used for human consumption is which is inactive in humans.

[Anonymous No.12020257]

>>12020245
I dont get it. This still doesn't dispute anything in the study. The study said specifically that you would not be able to get it from other types of seaweed. Even this source you have linked agrees with the study. And it is active b12 I am talking about in dried nori.

[Anonymous No.12020285]

>>12020257
>Yamada et al. (19; 1999, Japan), tested nori (P. tenera), due to the results of Dagnelie et al., to see if it could reduce methylmalonic acid (MMA) levels, the gold standard for determining the B12 activity of a food:
>Raw nori was purchased within 48 hours of harvesting. Dried nori was purchased from a store. Inactive vs. active B12 was determined by IF assay and confirmed by paper chromatography. 10 people (all nonvegetarian) were then studied.
>The results indicate that B12 in raw nori can be changed into harmful inactive B12 analogues by drying, and that dried nori decreases B12 status. Yamada et al. said that although dried nori cannot be used as a B12 source, in small amounts it is not harmful.
https://veganhealth.org/vitamin-b12-plant-foods/

[Anonymous No.12020310]

>>12020285

I am going to have to go but this seems to directly contradict the 2011 Gov study. From a quick glance this article does not address that specifically. I will read in a bit and respond if the thread is still up. Thanks

[Anonymous No.12020362]

Imagine being this emotionaly traumatized by strangers eating food that you personally don't like.

>>12005802
my dude, I can't speak for english muffins, but sometime try a burger on cornbread. messy af, but oh lawdy that sum good food.

[Anonymous No.12020598]

>>12020191
>So no, you can't get B12 you need exclusively from nori, or any plant source for that matter.

Fermented food products can have significant amounts of B12 (hydroxy, Methyl and adenosyl cobalamin ... the active ones). In theory at their peak values more than enough to supply a vegan's needs, except that It's not dependable because the fermentation process isn't designed for it. The values can be all over the place, batch to batch.

[Anonymous No.12020651]

>>12019819
These substitutes only taste competitive with shitty American soy-fed, antibiotic-logged pink slime trash beef. Europeans would taste the difference between Impossible and real beef right away, so the product has no future there.

[Anonymous No.12020657]

>>12002818
It's "Piers" you illiterate faggot.

[Anonymous No.12021245]

>>12015926
this is the stupidest argument I've ever seen posed

[Anonymous No.12021772]

>>12020191
B12 can be synthesized in a lab autonomously and at a grand scale. It exists and is simply available via fortified food, /sips/, multivitamins, and you can suppository it up your loose ass.
>inb4 BUT IT'S NOT NATURAL
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.12021998]

Never ever vegans

[Anonymous No.12022154]

>>12002779
Two scenarios that flow from the same realtiy.
>it will never be as good as meat
So where you go from here is will there or won't there be massive government subsides or outright taxation/bans of the alternatives.
>subsidized to fuck and back
Then it turns into something like Electric cars
>not subsidized to fuck and back
Then it goes the way of the gardenburger. A passing fad where a few dieters / holier than thou activists pretend it isn't shit for a few years.