/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11884309]

>The cattle ranchers and farm bureaus of America are not going to give up their hold on the word meat without a fight.

>In recent weeks, beef and farming industry groups have persuaded legislators in more than a dozen states to introduce laws that would make it illegal to use the word meat to describe burgers and sausages that are created from plant-based ingredients or are grown in labs. Just this week, new meat-labeling bills were introduced in Arizona and Arkansas.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.11884329]

It's not meat if it's made from plants. And the definition of meat is the flesh of an animal, if there was no animal then it's not meat.

And your steaks and burgers don't bleed. That's myoglobin and moisture from the meat. Blood would congeal. Well-done fags are idiots.

[Anonymous No.11884334]

>>11884309
Probably good, some vegan products are starting to be misleading on purpose to get people to buy them without realizing it's a vegan alternative.

[Anonymous No.11884342]

i think truth in labeling is important. i'm not sure being grown in a lab should preclude something from being meat.

[Anonymous No.11884348]

>>11884309
as events play out according to a logic which is either predetermined or indistinguishable from predetermined, there is no meaningful way to apply the terms good and bad to any event, action, utterance or thought

[Anonymous No.11884349]

>>11884309
Both, I suppose.
Good: Companies can't call meat substitutes "meat". The English language has been butchered enough by Americans. This prevents a little bit of damage. Vegans should just admit they want to eat meat instead of calling vegetable paste formed into meat shapes "meat".
Bad: Vegans will throw shitfits anyway.

INB4 "Obsessed/Europoor", I'm from the U.S..

[Anonymous No.11884355]

I'm generally not a fan of big government or excessive regulation, but consumables is where I believe strong regulations are required.
If a product that is meant for consumption is incorrectly labeled, it is dangerous for the consumer.

If I'm allergic to whatever plant material they use, then I need to know that the product is made from that plant. By calling it "meat", you inherently refuse to do that.

[Anonymous No.11884358]

>>11884309
You should have to describe things accurately you're trying to make people buy.

[Anonymous No.11884364]

>>11884348
Bad: Vegans will throw shitfits either way.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.11884365]

>>11884309
People who defend this will shout about a nanny state whenever anybody suggests it should be illegal to vocalize hate speech.

[Anonymous No.11884371]

>>11884309
Calling something meat when it's made of vegetables is false advertising and should be punishable regardless. Calling lab grown proteins "meat" is fine, but it should definitely have some sort of added label so the consumer knows what they're buying. Obviously it won't be "lab grown" since that's got a shitty connotation to it, but I'd be fine with something like "made meat."
Really just anything that lets me know what I'm buying instead of trying to trick me.

[Anonymous No.11884378]

>>11884364
but if it will happen regardless, what is the point of describing it as bad?

[Anonymous No.11884383]

So this shitfest all over again

[Anonymous No.11884394]

>>11884383
There was a shitfest with sour cream and onion chips?

[Anonymous No.11884395]

>>11884371
>Obviously it won't be "lab grown" since that's got a shitty connotation to it, but I'd be fine with something like "made meat."
I think they're calling it "cultured" meat.

[Anonymous No.11884403]

>>11884371
Regulation should state that it must be included in the name and not some fine print or stamp in the corner.

"Batch Meat" "Farmed Meat" "Vat Meat" or any word indicating there was no animal; "Faux-Meat"

[Anonymous No.11884414]

>>11884309
The government should called it "Fag-meat" or "iMeat".

[Anonymous No.11884418]

>>11884394
Chip company took Pringles to court because Pringles didn't make "chip" but call themselves chips. So now Pringles have to call themselves crisp while there is a gazillion "chips" calling themselves as chips now.

[Anonymous No.11884435]

>>11884418
Let me guess, Britain?

[Anonymous No.11884446]

>>11884435
Back in the State in 75. The brit part is more recent.

[Anonymous No.11884456]

What is it about cattle ranchers that makes them such pussies?

[Anonymous No.11884458]

>>11884418
pringles aren't chips because they're goddamn compressed potato flakes

[Anonymous No.11884465]

>>11884456
losing money isn't good for buisness

[Anonymous No.11884471]

>>11884465
Maybe they should get better at business instead of begging the government for handouts.

[Anonymous No.11884478]

>>11884309
Lab grown meat sounds fuckin delicious

[Anonymous No.11884497]

>>11884471
no, i think all they have to do is raise cows until they can kill them

[Anonymous No.11884498]

>>11884309
idgaf about the plant stuff, but lab-grown muscle tissue is still meat
>>11884478
It's cool shit. They can make woven patterns of fat and muscle. Imagine frying up a scarf made of beef.

[Anonymous No.11884508]

>>11884497
And yet here they are, afraid of vegans.

[Anonymous No.11884520]

>>11884309
Fuck cattle ranchers.

[Anonymous No.11884661]

>>11884365
>Telling the truth is a bad thing

[Anonymous No.11884670]

>>11884309
Good thing. I don't want a lab grown chemical "burger" or "sausage" sold to me as a real meat burger or sausage.

[Anonymous No.11884703]

>>11884334
They can change the name and lie all they want, but the stupidly high prices they demand will always be a dead giveaway.

[Anonymous No.11884746]

>>11884309
>plant based
Not meat, fuck off with that shit. I don't even dislike veggie burgers but they aren't meat and calling them that is false advertising.
>lab grown
Depends on the result. If it's effectively identical to something cut off a cow then sure, if it's "a matrix of cultured proteins and fibers structured in a way emulating muscle tissue" or whatever only-technically-meat jargon they can come up with then no. I don't know enough about the technology.

I'm curious about the actual wording though.
>Tastes just like real meat!
would be fine, as long as it is clear that it isn't actually, and that is technically using the word meat to describe it.

[Anonymous No.11884767]

>>11884371
Lab grown chemical compounds should be properly labeled as well. If vegans are willing to consume literal soylent green, they won't have a problem with "lab grown chemical compound"

[Anonymous No.11884773]

>>11884456
What is it about vegans that makes them such amazing flamboyant skeletons?

>born this way

[Anonymous No.11884782]

>>11884508
>>11884520
>Vegan tears...

This literally never gets old.....

[Anonymous No.11884789]

Can't stick around vegans but keep your tears flowing.....

[Anonymous No.11885537]

>>11884348
From a philosophical standpoint sure but speaking practically whats good is good for me, whats bad is bad for me. For example:
A distant relative dying an early death is bad for them, the money I get from their will is good for me.
So with the practical in mind it is good for me that things are labeled based on the definition of words, even if this is about sales and not words it is still helpful for me, and so is good. However arguing meat has to come from a once living animal to be meat is bad for me, because for me lab grown meat is also meat.

[Anonymous No.11885576]

>>11884309
So they'll call it MEAT*

*food product

[Anonymous No.11885638]

>>11884309
Probably good. Meat is flesh, no other way about it. To advertise something that's not meat as meat is false advertising. Possibly bait and switch in some scenarios.
It'd be like letting margarine call itself butter, sugar fluid being allowed to call itself honey.

[Anonymous No.11885946]

>>11885638
Meat is flesh, but flesh is not necessarily meat.

Guess Beyond Meat will have to go with Beyond Flesh now.

[Anonymous No.11886396]

>>11885537
TWO MEN ENTER. ONE MAN LEAVES.

[Anonymous No.11886410]

>>11885537
Lol i remember that toy sword, aww good times.

[Anonymous No.11886418]

"Meat" shouldn't be used to describe things that aren't meat.
like
durr

[Anonymous No.11886571]

>>11884309
fucking cismeat bigots
what if my soyburger identifies as being made of ground beef?

[Anonymous No.11886593]

>>11886418
If something is imitating something, why would you give it a name that doesn't incorporate the name of the thing you're imitating? Nobody would know what it is.

[Anonymous No.11886603]

im surprised /pol/ is pro nanny state now. why can't companies name their products and customers be smart and research it. let the lazy people who dont get fucked.

[Anonymous No.11886750]

>>11886571
Then it needs counseling and medication.

But our society is lazy so we are just pretending severe mental health issues are choices instead problems.

[Anonymous No.11886757]

>>11886750
No mental health issue can be cured with any of the knowledge we have at this point. They are intrinsic and can only be moderated so that they don't clash too violently with everyday society.

[Anonymous No.11886782]

>>11884365
>implying corporations shouldn’t be held to a higher standard than the individual

[Anonymous No.11886789]

>>11886603
the average person is going to have a really hard time against billion dollar companies trying to be misleading without any kind of regulation.

it's not about being lazy, you can put in hours of research and still be fed a ton of bullshit lies and not know anymore than when you started.

[Anonymous No.11886794]

Huge interest groups lobbying the government to enact restrictions without the will of the people is never a good thing, but it's completely normal in America.

If terms like "vegan meat" or "meat substitute" would apply, the restriction is certainly excessive. Also, when lab grown meat becomes cheaper and more efficient to produce, there will be nothing separating it from real meat except for the tons of waste prevented and that these cowboys wouldn't be getting paid.

[Anonymous No.11886858]

>>11884355
If you're allergic to something, but you're too dumb to check the label when you buy something, then you're not going to last long.

[Anonymous No.11886862]

>>11884329
>And your steaks and burgers don't bleed. That's myoglobin and moisture from the meat. Blood would congeal.
In the right circumstances you can see this happen if your steak has a bit of larger scale vasculature in it. The albumin in the plasma cooks, making teeny little spots of what look like cooked egg white on the surface of the meat.

[Anonymous No.11886866]

>>11884371
Completely agree. Some kind of label would be good. I'm all for progressing the science behind lab grown meat but the problem comes in when this shit will start to be sold and mixed in with the real thing. A label or tag would be nice. Not a fan of corporations lobbying Government for this type of shit but I do understand it to an extent.

[Anonymous No.11886869]

>>11884767
>>11884773
>>11884782
Genuinely curious, what's the deal with vegan health? I've seen bodybuilders who are vegan, or at least claim to be look perfectly fine but then you have skeleton creatures like this. What's the deal?

[Anonymous No.11886873]

>>11886869
It's very easy to go excessively low protein on a "natural" vegan diet. Meat+dairy+eggs make filling nutritional gaps and getting decent protein intake easy mode.

If you look at something like Soy baby formula, once you apply science it really isn't such a big deal.

[Anonymous No.11886996]

>>11884365
Fraud, libel, incitement to violence, and hate speech are all different categories of speech.

[Anonymous No.11887349]

>>11886757
I'll settle for suppression. Beatings are pretty effective.

[Anonymous No.11887655]

They knew that they couldn't get lab meat banned from being called meat by itself, so they lumped it with veggie burgers that don't even call themselves meat in the first place. Fuck farmers