Veganism

[Anonymous No.11747559]

Give it to me straight cu/ck/s

What are vegans lacking in their diet other than vitamin B12 and protein and what vegan sources can they acquire them?

[Anonymous No.11747568]

>protein

[Anonymous No.11747585]

>>11747568
>Eat steak
>Get the nine final essential amino acids which the human body cannot produce
>Eat broccoli
>Don't get the nine final essential amino acids which the human body cannot produce

LOL

[Anonymous No.11747590]

>>11747585
Oh wow looks like im going to have to eat something that isn’t just broccoli oh no

[Anonymous No.11747599]

>>11747568
That's like 3/4 of a pound of broccoli. Who the fuck can eat that in one sitting?

[Anonymous No.11747607]

>>11747599
t. never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.11747613]

>>11747568
100 calories of broccoli is 8.4g protein. Its also a substantially higher volume of food than 100 calories of steak and its not as bioavailable.

Shitty vegan propoganda.

[Anonymous No.11747682]

>>11747568
You're comparing it in calories not in weight or volume

[Anonymous No.11747714]

>>11747568
ask me how i know the source is american

[Anonymous No.11747723]

>>11747585
Lazy carnists, what a surprise.

[Anonymous No.11747751]

>>11747723
>"we don't die of heart disease!"
>dies of malnutrition

[Anonymous No.11747761]

>>11747723
Correlation does not imply causation

[Anonymous No.11747763]

Veganism? Missing the nutrients and sustenance the human body needs to be healthy. Check the sciencex---

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs


Veganism-- A deficient diet that leaves even the mind starved, after a few years vegan, the cult members start showing severe signs of dementia and obsession.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QaGzenEaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0bJNMFsxA

[Anonymous No.11747806]

>>11747723
>majority of the population eats meat
>majority of the population dies
Vegans confirmed to be inmortal.

[Anonymous No.11747819]

I've been vegan for close to 7 years now. Never had I ever needed to take any supplements to compensate for any vitamin or nutritional deficiencies. I rarely get sick, and if I do it's just a runny nose or a sore throat, where as before I would've come down with a serious cold or flu. God bless

[Anonymous No.11747823]

>>11747723
There are like less than ten long term vegans they can even study lol, what a fucking joke 'infographic' of the ten, one died young (Dinsah) and 8 of the others are, well they appear dead, though they are alive lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA

[Anonymous No.11747827]

>>11747568
>massive amounts of anti-nutrients, phytotoxins and other repelents to not get eaten
>gut ength can't properly digest it, ends up as filler
>doesn't even have full amino spectrum
>would need to eat an assfull to compare with a slice of meat
>tastes like shit
Yikes.
B12 deficiency in action.

[Anonymous No.11747832]

>>11747819
>I've been vegan for close to 7 years now.
>Never had I ever needed to take any supplements to compensate for any vitamin or nutritional deficiencies. >I rarely get sick, and if I do it's just a runny nose or a sore throat, where as before I would've come down with a serious cold or flu.
>Just don't ask about my teeth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nf7wAMwfrw

[Anonymous No.11747841]

>>11747723
Ah Afraid to die much?

[Anonymous No.11748032]

>>11747751
since when has a person ever died of malnutrition because of a vegan diet, show me one case of this

[Anonymous No.11748063]

>>11747827
>boomerscience
Yikes

[Anonymous No.11748067]

>>11747761
>screams the incel

[Anonymous No.11748077]

>>11747559
>no sources
>bad science
>shitty, cherry-picked infographics
>"carnist"
Yep, it's a vegan thread.

[Anonymous No.11748079]

>>11748067

[Anonymous No.11748088]

I hate every single vegan I've ever so much as looked at. Everyone else I can take or leave.

Tell me why I should join you people despite that.

[Anonymous No.11748092]

>>11748077
The bad science of meta analysis of metabolic ward studies calculating the control at baseline :(

[Anonymous No.11748101]

>>11747819
You should absolutely supplement B12 and you should supplement D at least during fall and winter seasons

[Anonymous No.11748126]

>>11747819
>I've been vegan for close to 7 years now
If this is the case, then
>Never had I ever needed to take any supplements to compensate for any vitamin or nutritional deficiencies
is simply not true - unless you're incredibly well off financially and spend literally 90% of your waking life acquiring and preparing incredibly diverse meals. You're either a liar or you're a good deal less healthy than you understand.

[Anonymous No.11748145]

>>11748126
>unless you're incredibly well off financially and spend literally 90% of your waking life
And what’s the basis for this?

[Anonymous No.11748155]

>>11748032
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vegan-couple-gets-life-for-childs-death/

[Anonymous No.11748160]

>>11747761
To a vegan it does

[Anonymous No.11748161]

>>11748160
>get correlation and causation

>i-its old!!!

[Anonymous No.11748167]

>>11748067
This doesn't prove anything you moron

[Anonymous No.11748173]

>>11748167
Actually it does you moron

[Anonymous No.11748178]

>>11748161
Vegan logic
>eat some animal products
>instant cholesterol induced heart explosion
Gee can't see any flaws in that logic.

Why dont you use you magical vegan insight to have some introspection on what a nutrient deficient diet does to your body?

[Anonymous No.11748184]

>>11748178
Carnist logic

>dont address the facts at hand and just severly strawman

Maybe you should take some lithium you schitzy mess

[Anonymous No.11748186]

>>11747559
You have to work harder to eat a balanced diet as a vegan. Meat, dairy and eggs are so broad spectrum it's hard to ever cripple yourself with a deficiency. At most you'll get a mild deficiency.

The abundance of phytic acid can make them Zinc deficient, also iron deficient but that's more rare (just consume a lot of vitamin C).

Protein availability for muscle growth/maintenance tops out at around 1g/kg. A vegan which avoids both soy and protein powder will find it pretty much impossible to get there. Learn to love tempeh.

Carnitine is a powerful anti-oxidant and might be useful to boost as you get older, meat does that. On the other hand on a vegan diet you are likely to get other anti-oxidants in a greater amount as well.

[Anonymous No.11748187]

>>11748173
If you think it does then there is no helping you.
I suggest you devote some time to getting a proper education.

[Anonymous No.11748190]

>>11748184
Not a straw man anymore than it is a mirror of your exact same logic. Isn't finally being self aware fun?

[Anonymous No.11748191]

>>11748187
>y-youre wrong!!!! O-Okay!!!!!

Gonna cry to mommy about it?

[Anonymous No.11748194]

>>11748190
>no you!!!
This is sad

[Anonymous No.11748197]

>>11747819
Just stop choking on your boyfriends cuck, no more sore throat. You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.11748199]

>>11748186
You’d have to deliberately avoid all zinc to get a deficiency.

>Protein availability for muscle growth/maintenance tops out at around 1g/kg.
This is literal broscience and irrelevant unless you want to bodybuild

[Anonymous No.11748202]

>>11747559
I'm vegan and lack exactly 0 nutrients, except for vitamin D from tfw no sun where I live.

[Anonymous No.11748278]

>>11748155
but thats a 6 week old child,
not a fully grown person

[Anonymous No.11748311]

I love how people are like "veganism is bad because you don't get B12" AS IF YOUR OVERWEIGHT AMERICAN ASS IS EATING HEALTHY IN COMPARISON.

[Anonymous No.11748315]

>>11748278
Clearly I was wrong about vegans. They certainly have enough strength to move goalposts.

[Anonymous No.11748371]

>>11748311

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs

We just have a different definition of the word 'healthy' bro.

[Anonymous No.11748406]

>>11748126
Most of the times I am eating simple tofu sandwiches, vegetable soups, rice and beans or simple pasta dishes.

[Anonymous No.11748422]

>>11748311
It’s really only a few fringe schizos that get their livelihoods threatened by veganism. No person who has anything other than a completely empty life sincerely has a problem with vegans

[Anonymous No.11748434]

>>11748422
So in other words, the average 4channer

[Anonymous No.11748441]

>>11748199
>You’d have to deliberately avoid all zinc to get a deficiency.

The recommended daily intake for people on an unrefined cereal diet (which isn't too far removed from a whole food one) is pretty high relative to actual intake, especially for pregnant/lactating women.

Although for women iron is more important, that monthly bleeding depletes iron in a hurry.

>This is literal broscience and irrelevant unless you want to bodybuild

It's science for bros, but it is actual science. Even the US RDA is only a small amount lower (0.8 g/kg). Or do you want to call that bro science too?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25056502
https://www.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpendo.00382.2014

[Anonymous No.11748465]

>>11747568
>that extra plus as if meat doesn't have vitamins
They could at least pretend they're being unbiased.

[Anonymous No.11748469]

>>11748441
The broscience is 1 gram per pound. Theres a stark difference between .8 to a pound. There’s not much even reported difference outside .65 because excess will just get filtered out
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5622732/

[Anonymous No.11748472]

>>11748315

[Anonymous No.11748474]

>>11748469
*.8 to 1 whole gram

[Anonymous No.11748475]

>>11748155
Feeding infants on any natural die is highly likely to kill them. The fact that it's vegan is irrelevant.

You feed them breastmilk or formula.

[Anonymous No.11748492]

>>11747559
>pro envoirement vegan
>each meal creates plastic trash which will trash the envoirement for centuries while beeing hormonally active and endangering marine life
>prime ingridient is farmed on destroyed virgin forests
Such is the dissociative mental gymnastics of brainlets. At this point I suspect that each meat paleo fag has a better eco balance than the average vegan having to import pretty much everything to barely survive.

[Anonymous No.11748493]

>>11748475
>natural die
>likely to kill them
you don't say

[Anonymous No.11748514]

>>11748088
People like you have been conditioned by shills like >>11748371
The social group you belong might exclude people with a vegan diet or your brain just don't know any source of nutrients better than meat, but it could quickly learn. Try being whole-food vegan for 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.11748515]

>>11748422
>No person who has anything other than a completely empty life sincerely has a problem with vegans

If you weren't trying to take my food away, and if the (((powers that be))) weren't behind you, I wouldn't even notice vegans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_CXwa-_5Uk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3odC9gEXX2c

[Anonymous No.11748540]

>>11748515
>trying to take my food away
>((((powers that be)))))
This is schizo for "I walked past the veggie burger section at the grocery store and the voices in my head went crazy"

[Anonymous No.11748561]

>>11748515
ok here is a video of you fine upstanding normal vegan exemplars, and Im the crazy one. OK bro, whats next after you get yourself tied up and branded?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QaGzenEaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0bJNMFsxA

[Anonymous No.11748574]

[Anonymous No.11748579]

>>11748574

[Anonymous No.11748592]

[Anonymous No.11748596]

>>11748540
Terry Davis was based and redpilled. Carnists are just limp cocked cucks

[Anonymous No.11748603]

>>11748596

[Anonymous No.11748606]

>>11748603
>The average vegan woman

[Anonymous No.11748607]

>>11748515
TPTB are feudalists, the left are just patsies. TPTB have no interest in outlawing meat consumption or hunting, they just want to price you out of it.

They want to privatize all public land for their private hunting pleasure and drop your income to the point you can't afford meat. The death penalty on poaching will return. Don't worry though, it will be your grand children who have to worry about it.

[Anonymous No.11748658]

>>11748592
W8.
Vitamin A? The one that is contained in carrots so eating carrots for eye health became a meme?
Vitamin D? The one that is synthesised by your body given enough sunlight?

[Anonymous No.11748872]

>>11748469
Yes but this is per kg and in fact correct. 1 g per pound is the Bros ience bullshit but fit promotes it sometime because protein is filling and as long as your kidneys are healthy there is no harm in overconsumption

[Anonymous No.11748875]

>>11748658
>Vitamin A? The one that is contained in carrots so eating carrots for eye health became a meme?

The equivalent vitamin A availability from beta carotene is controversial. Carrots are a relatively poor source relative to green leafy vegetables though (especially raw).

IMO the very low ball estimates of conversion are because beta carotene provides a far better homeostasis. Measuring serum retinol response in non deficient people is not an appropriate way to assess conversion factors, you have to measure them in people who start deficient.

[Anonymous No.11748909]

It's pointless to argue with vegans over which diet is more 'healthy' because vegans and us have a different opinion of the very word 'healthy'

Watch these videos what do you see? you see sick people, dying people, vegans see healthy people. Vegans have posted all these videos themselves to brag on how 'healthy' they are in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QaGzenEaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0bJNMFsxA

[Anonymous No.11748919]

>>11747568
>eat one steak
or
>eat 10lb of brocolli

what a dumb infograph

[Anonymous No.11749060]

>>11747568
100 calories of steak = 37 grams
100 calories of broccoli = 300 grams

Daily 2000 calorie diet = 6kg (13lbs) of broccoli

[Anonymous No.11749095]

>7 straight hours this autist has been spamming youtube videos
Almost impressed at this point

[Anonymous No.11749119]

>>11749095
I'm starting to think it's a vegan false flagging as a carnist

[Anonymous No.11749144]

>>11749060
So?

[Anonymous No.11749219]

>>11747559
>>11747568
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-muscle-nutrients-in-animal-foods/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/5-brain-nutrients-in-meat-fish-eggs/
>https://dailyhealthpost.com/4-brain-nutrients-found-only-in-meat-fish-and-eggs-not-plants/
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[5][7][25] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[26] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[25][27]
>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[28] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[4][5]
>There are no naturally occurring notable vegetable dietary sources of the vitamin
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources

[Anonymous No.11749300]

>>11747723
No shit, omnivores are more likely to be obese and not give a fuck about having a healthy diet compared to people who voluntarily choose a restrictive one.

[Anonymous No.11749370]

>>11749219
>https://authoritynutrition.com/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants/
Why do idiots keep mentioning vitamin D? So you can get a couple 10s of IU from food ... when you need 100s a day, that's useful. Or you can get 100s a day from codliver oil, together with vitamin A poisoning ... again, very useful.

[Anonymous No.11749380]

>>11749370
Authoritynutrition is a complete quack website run by snake oil salesmen. If veganism wasn’t so fucking gay and untrendy you’d bet they’d be shilling the shit out of it. That’s a mentally impaired sperg you’re replying to though

[Anonymous No.11749408]

>>11747559
A brain hyuk hyuk

[Anonymous No.11749417]

>>11748514
Perfect example of why I hate vegans.
They believe everyone else is conditioned or brainwashed and they are themones that see the truth. Holier than thou cunts.

[Anonymous No.11749433]

>>11749417
>LOL IM NOT HOLIER THAN THOU IM BETTER THAN YOU ALL

Nice one

[Anonymous No.11749488]

>>11748311
>AMERICAN
obsessed.

[Anonymous No.11749511]

>>11748067
>posts a graph that proves the opposite of what he thinks it does
>too vitamin deficient to notice
>healthy

[Anonymous No.11749536]

>>11749511
It’s apparently such a noticeable thing that you can’t even point it out

[Anonymous No.11749569]

>>11747763
why did it take him so long to get the oxyA torch burning right
vegans can't do anything right lmao

[Anonymous No.11749642]

>another vegan thread

[Anonymous No.11749660]

>>11748067
>carefully edited out the description of the graph that clearly identifies this as modeled "data"
>>11749536
Ancel Keys, 1992, New England Journal of Medicine
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199103283241306
"Dietary cholesterol has an important effect on the cholesterol level in the blood of chickens and rabbits, but many controlled experiments have shown that dietary cholesterol has a limited effect in humans. Adding cholesterol to a cholesterol-free diet raises the blood level in humans, but when added to an unrestricted diet it has a minimal effect."
Both the Canadian and American dietary guidelines have dropped the cholesterol limits due to lack of actual experimental evidence of any harmful impact.

[Anonymous No.11749701]

>>11749660
Oh my god you fucking retard what the fuck do you think he means by

>Adding cholesterol to a cholesterol-free diet raises the blood level in humans, but when added to an unrestricted diet it has a minimal effect."

The graph LITERALLY proves this you fucking idiot holy shit, this is Ancel Keys own fucking study on dietary cholesterol that he promoted to the day of his death, you didn’t even say anything wrong with the graph you no brained fucking chimp

>carefully edits out
What the fuck are you even talking about? Jesus fucking christ dude

And this is literally the American Dietary Guidelines WARNING about cholesterol, they removed a quantitative limit but still say eat as LITTLE AS POSSIBLE
>As recommended by the IOM, individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible … Strong evidence from mostly prospective cohort studies but also randomized controlled trials has shown that eating patterns that include lower intake of dietary cholesterol are associated with reduced risk of CVD, and moderate evidence indicates that these eating patterns are associated with reduced risk of obesity. … Dietary cholesterol is found only in animal foods such as egg yolk, dairy products, shellfish, meats, and poultry.”

How the fuck is it possible to be as fucking stupid as you? Holy shit

[Anonymous No.11749717]

>>11749660
Like the entire fucking graph shows the EXACT progression of different baseline scores and dietary intakes. Jesus fuck, how are people this fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.11749802]

>>11749511
You got awfully silent? Are you deficient in a pair of nuts?

[Anonymous No.11749832]

I hope a you faggots go die on heroin

[Anonymous No.11749842]

>>11749701
Yeah, I suspected you couldn't read a graph. Ancel Keys can though. Here's a clue: if you look at that graph and come to any conclusion at odds with his statement that "dietary cholesterol has a limited effect in humans" then you need to think a lot fucking harder. Take some vitamin supplements.
Here's a clue: look at the right side of that graph and think about how it might be consistent with his statement "when added to an unrestricted diet it has a minimal effect".
>removed a quantitative limit
So you can read after all. Of course they will still recommend eating low levels, haven't you ever read Kuhn's Structure of Scientific Revolutions? That's standard behavior when an old widely accepted theory has been disproved. The old guard continues hedging to avoid wholesale repudiation of the theory they built their careers on and the resulting loss of reputation. The last vestiges of the disproved theory wont finally be repudiated until the old guard has retired from their positions of influence, or died. Your insistence on hanging on to a theory that has been discredited for decades is pretty amusing though.

[Anonymous No.11749854]

>>11747559
saturated fats

[Anonymous No.11749856]

I stopped being vegan because those videos convinced me you need animal products, drink raw eggs everyday now

[Anonymous No.11749865]

>>11747819
nice anecdote
I eat whatever I feel like. Meat cheese bacon all sorts of animal products.
Flu season I usually get a lot of extra hours because I'm the only one doesn't get sick.

[Anonymous No.11749866]

>>11749856
I’ll be rooting for you in the heavyweight championship

[Anonymous No.11749868]

>>11747723
so instead you get cancer

[Anonymous No.11749877]

>>11747559
>not drinking milk
vegans confirmed for not white

[Anonymous No.11749884]

>>11749842
Holy shit you braindead fucking monkey you STILL cant even explain how im contradicting myself with the graph. The graph LITERALLY proves the statement, if you ACTUALLY LOOKED at the graph you’d see the EXACT fucking increases in serum cholesterol based on dietary and baseline. That is LITERALLY what Keys is saying and only can you not read a graph you can’t read two fucking sentences

EXPLAIN the ACTUAL issue with the graph, not some SEPARATE fucking quote about a case study of a guy eating 30 eggs a day that youre too much of a no brained nigger monkey to completely misframe

>and think about how it might be consistent with his statement "when added to an unrestricted diet it has a minimal effect".
MEANING WHEN YOUR SERUM AND OR BASELINE IS SKYHIGH ADDITIONAL HAS NO EFFECT. YOUR LIVER SHUTS OFF CHOLESTEROL SYNTHESIS AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DIETARY CHOLESTEROL

Holy fucking shit. Did your mother stomp on your no brained nigger monkey head when you were a kid?

>Of course they will still recommend eating low levels
Oh so now you’re just moving the goalposts

You are literally the stupidest fucking nigger on planet Earth. You literally have no brains to blow out of your thick fat fucking head

[Anonymous No.11749888]

>>11747585
Actually it does, so does mundane shit like brown rice

The essential amino acids are a meme, theyre in all kinds of foods

>>11747559
B12 and other B vitamins, zinc, iron, calcium for vegans
Easy to be deficient in those without meat (or dairy)

[Anonymous No.11749890]

>>11749866
They haven't made me gain any weight, I feel the same really. None of the ex vegan stuff happened to me

[Anonymous No.11749902]

veganism is just an eating disorder

[Anonymous No.11749920]

Hope you all eat FUCK

[Anonymous No.11749927]

Vegans and carnists: heroin is part of both you diet. GO FUCJIN OD ON IT

[Anonymous No.11749951]

>>11749890
Nah m8 I was just referencing Rocky cause you said drink raw eggs every day

[Anonymous No.11749982]

>>11749927

[Anonymous No.11749985]

>>11748406
Pasta isn't vegan

[Anonymous No.11749989]

>>11749884
>you STILL cant even explain how im contradicting myself with the graph
I gave you ancel keyes's explanation. It's not my fault you cant understand it. If you cant reconcile keyes's blanket statement about the unimportance of dietary cholesterol, co formed by the dietary guidelines dropping their limits, with the two graphs on that page (the second one makes it even more clear than the first, though the first is sufficient), then you're simply too stupid to educate. Go ask your babysitter, maybe she can point out what is utterly fucking obvious in those graphs, even without keyes's statement to explain it.
>ree ree reee
>ree reee reeee
Zero fucks given

[Anonymous No.11749991]

>>11749985
If its made from just grains then it’s vegan

[Anonymous No.11749992]

>>11749982
kys

[Anonymous No.11750000]

>>11749991
Not if the plants didnt willingly give up that grain to us with the clear and stated intent that it be eaten.

[Anonymous No.11750005]

>>11750000
quads witnessed

[Anonymous No.11750008]

>>11749982
Kyfs

[Anonymous No.11750009]

>>11750000

[Anonymous No.11750010]

>>11749989
>i gave you ancel keys explanation
Which has nothing to do with the graph. AGAIN thats him quoting someone eating 30 eggs a day and in NO way says “dietary cholesterol has no impact on serum cholesterol” he says “limited” when in an unrestricted diet as explained by the graph shows minimal increases when the serum and or baseline consumption is already extremely high. Your liver shuts off cholesterol synthesis when exogenous consumption is high enough.

>you cant reconcile keyes's blanket statement about the unimportance
Editorializing. He says LIMITED not minimal, not unimportant, this is highlighted by Keys ACTUAL studies and work, not you misframing a quote about a separate study

>co formed by the dietary guidelines dropping their limits,
And yet they recommend not intaking any. How do you reconcile that?

You’ve given ZERO explanation what’s wrong with the graphs, you are misframing and strawmanning because you’re a retard that got blown the fuck out

[Anonymous No.11750014]

>>11749982
k y f s
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l u g l
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[Anonymous No.11750020]

>>11749989
dude youre really dumb
keys has stated throughout his life that dietary cholesterol increases blood cholesterol
the graphs show the exact progression of if
i dont think youre bright enough to get that
look up the keys equation

[Anonymous No.11750032]

>>11749992
>>11750008
>>11750014
>(you)

[Anonymous No.11750033]

>>11750032
Kys

[Anonymous No.11750036]

vegans ITT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK-mnbH4s74

[Anonymous No.11750042]

>>11749856
Welcome back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QaGzenEaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0bJNMFsxA

[Anonymous No.11750045]

>Definition of limited
1a : confined within limits : RESTRICTED
limited success

Apparently this now means nonexistent

[Anonymous No.11750049]

>>11749951
Oh right on, I didn't want to cook them because if we are really meant to eat animal products that is the way we should do it

[Anonymous No.11750059]

>>11747819
go to the doctors fag

[Anonymous No.11750064]

>>11750049
>humans haven't changed since the invention of fire

Motherfucker, we have entire populations that can utilize lactose and others that can't due manipulation of the environment and evolution. Don't tell me what "WE" are meant to eat and not meant to eat.

[Anonymous No.11750066]

>>11750049
Humans started cooking food because it made it easier to digest, minimized risk of parasites or pathogens, lasted longer, and best of all tasted really fucking good. Don’t risk it when you don’t have to.

[Anonymous No.11750083]

>>11750032
id suggest shooting some fentanyl and dying faggot

[Anonymous No.11750095]

>>11750064
I don't tell anyone what to eat, I've struggled with eating disorders my whole life
>>11750066
Is raw eggs really risky? Loads of people drink them don't they

[Anonymous No.11750109]

>>11750095
Though most people and doctors would advise against it, you’re probably fine with raw eggs. That post made it sound like you were eating everything raw which would then make you retarded.

[Anonymous No.11750112]

>>11750000
I talked to the shire, he confirmed it was alright when the moon wasn’t sour

[Anonymous No.11750124]

>>11750083
>t. vegan obsessed with death because he's literally on death's doorstep

[Anonymous No.11750133]

>>11749701
>>11750010
>>11750020
What are you trying to argue, that eating cholesterol is bad, or that it's pretty harmless?
>>11749884
I think the thing he's not telling you about is the axis on the left of those two graphs, the "high" value is 1.2 mmol/l, and the curve is flattening out quickly at that point.
According to
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/cholesterol-test/about/pac-20384601
the high level for serum cholesterol is around 5.2 mmol/l, much higher than that graph. So if the curve is leveling out as the consumption increases, yet still well below what would be considered high, then this is consistent with what Keyes wrote about dietary consumption being relatively unimportant, eating huge amounts of dietary cholesterol in those graphs still doesnt push serio cholesterol out of the low normal range, even if you extrapolate the curve way out, because it appears to be flattening out towards an asymptote that would be well below even borderline high levels.
>>11749884
>MEANING WHEN YOUR SERUM AND OR BASELINE IS SKYHIGH
But it isnt sky high, in those graphs the serum levels are still pretty low or at least well below what the mayo clinic considers "borderline high". Even the mayo clinic's limit for borderline high LDL is 1.8 mmol/l, well above what those graphs are describing.
>>11749842
Do I win a prize?

[Anonymous No.11750135]

>tfw been considering vegan for a few months now but need to organize my diet/recipes/shopping a bit better

[Anonymous No.11750148]

>>11748315
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.11750156]

>>11750135
That’s some pretty gay bait you have there gaywad

[Anonymous No.11750180]

>>11750133
Eating dietary cholesterol is bad

>the "high" value is 1.2 mmol/l, and the curve is flattening out quickly at that point.
Thats the CHANGE, not the total

>then this is consistent with what Keyes wrote about dietary consumption being relatively unimportant,
Except it’s not. You CLEARLY have trouble reading especially when it goes against your narrative. Keys never said it was relatively unimportant, he said it was LIMITED, meaning if you eat 2500mg of cholesterol it doesn’t translate to 2500mg in the blood, which is the whole cutoff/limited point. There is a limit in which dietary cholesterol increases serum cholesterol, as Keys said and as the graph displays. That is what LIMIT means, your complaints about the curve are utterly irrelevant

Read the graph in its entirety VERY CAREFULLY

>But it isnt sky high, in those graphs the serum levels are still pretty low or at least well below what the mayo clinic considers "borderline high
A baseline cholesterol score of 500 is EXTREMELY high

You clearly do not understand the graph, it measures the changes in serum cholesterol

It looks at your baseline dietary intake, if its zero, and you add 2500mg it will skyrocket the serum because you are going from 0-2500

Think of the difference with that from having a baseline dietary intake of 500mg, adding 2500mg will have a far different effect

[Anonymous No.11750222]

>>11750180
Think this way. You pour water into two holes. One full, one empty. The empty will fill up. The full will remain unchanged. You don’t say “water always fills up” or “water never fills up” you say “how much did the hole have in it”

[Anonymous No.11750230]

>>11747559
>the number of ways you could fix that last sentence to help yourself not sound like a fucking dunce is driving me insane
they're lacking a vital dose of self-respect and introspect, and they can start by eating fish

[Anonymous No.11750301]

>>11749060

kek, can you imagine doing a broccoli bulk, 25lbs of broccoli a day.

>Why the fuck you always eating broccoli bro?
Sorry i dont have time to talk, i need to eat this broccoli i still have 18lbs to go today.

[Anonymous No.11750319]

>>11749433
Interesting point

[Anonymous No.11750348]

>>11747568
>>11749060
>>11750301

[Anonymous No.11750564]

>>11748607
This anon gets it. Agenda 21 is clearly stating that people will be cage farmed in central megacities so the remaining land doesn't get touched by the filthy plebus. So while they will be feed with vegan slush which only allows for a existance, not a life, reduces fertility and life expectancy, so you freely want to die at the day of your pension in one of the future euthanasia centers, already beeing build because "muh empathy towards the suffering" - they will have private oasis in the new wild, eating venison and the findest produce like the feudal kings of the past.

With the only difference that those globalist elites wont be part of your ingroup or even ethnic background, for which you and your children will have to slave away and be nothing more than slave golems.

[Anonymous No.11750569]

>>11750564
>elites eating produce ever
they are carnivores

[Anonymous No.11750580]

>>11749701
>believing anything Ancel Keys said
Good lord, it has been known sinc his day that he shilled it for profit and left out data to come to his conclusion. It's one f the biggest science frauds in existance and has probabliy killed more through the shlling of the low cholesterol diet than both world wars.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/records-found-in-dusty-basement-undermine-decades-of-dietary-advice/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6-v37nOtY

[Anonymous No.11750584]

>>11750569
I meant produce of the land, to which flora and fauna belong.

[Anonymous No.11750585]

>>11748919
>what a dumb infograph
The person who made it knew that they were being dishonest, that's why they went by protein per 100 calories instead of weight. It's manipulative and dishonest and whoever made it should feel bad.

[Anonymous No.11750620]

>>11750000
I made my cousin cry at thanksgiving '17 with this argument. I brought up a bunch of articles that talk about plants being eaten and having a pain response.

Really put the icing on the cake when my brother yelled drunkenly "ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TOMATOES CRYING WHEN YOU EAT THEM?" followed by a random aunt walking by and asking him "Well, do you just not like meat?"

RAN OFF CRYING, hes 25 at the time.

[Anonymous No.11750632]

>>11750580
>Good lord, it has been known sinc his day that he shilled it for profit and left out data to come to his conclusion.
Amongst tinfoil hatted dumbasses who unironically eat up WAPF funded propaganda. You might be confusing Ancel Keys for Mark Hegsted who AFTER formulating the lipid hypothesis took grant money from sugar lobbies, and later advocated a whole foods based diet. Your claim of “leaving out data” is simply another product of your deliberate willfulness to accept misinformation. Why would you include a faulty variable into a data set? Death statistics in certain countries were completely unreliable.
https://youtu.be/xm52NOQJRts

>It's one f the biggest science frauds in existance and has probabliy killed more through the shlling of the low cholesterol diet than both world wars.
Lol sure. People are dying because they dont eat ENOUGH butter

You haven’t refuted an actual point. You just ad hominem and strawman. Calling Keys a fraud with vague misframed claims of quackery is not a substitute for refuting data

Ketolards and their apologists dont understand or want to understand facts so they attack the narrative.

[Anonymous No.11750634]

>>11748315
lmao

[Anonymous No.11750641]

>>11750620
Funny how this "infographic" only counts about hman teeth, and compares them to wild animals as physical features, ignoring that humans don't kill with their hands and teeth but with their brains through tools. And as well ignoring that our gut is much smaller due to this, making us a 90% carnivore to get enough fuel to power that massive brain, unlike our plant eating relatives too stupid to not get eaten by niggers.

To make such infographics you have to know this but still be so ideologically involved that you rather lie to people than to at least not speak at all about it. It's a pro-anorexia death cult where people near starvation will lie and try to kill you with it as well.

[Anonymous No.11750651]

>>11750632
>cellar full of ignored data posted in the scientific american
>just tinfoil dumbasses
Yikes.

>People are dying because they dont eat ENOUGH butter
People are dying because everything has been denaturealized. People eat meat, butter and milk which has been produced on grains and soy instead of grass and insect diets. This has consequences.

>muh logical falacies which don't even apply
I'm not the one you're talking with. I just wanted to share with you brainlet that you're using papers which have been considered faulty for decades. And I'm not keto. Not everyone criticising your retarded sources is some kind of keto conspiracist, especially as there is hardly any money in selling high wuality meat unlike the industrial cheap shit you promote.

[Anonymous No.11750660]

>>11750580
The funniest thing is that you talk about frauds while unironically citing Scientific American as serious discourse while they also simultaneously cite Rajiv Chowdoury’s (literally receiving American Egg Board fundin) universally lambasted meta analysis on saturated fats that was unprecedentedly ordered to have a retraction because the actual data in his study pointed to the opposite of his original conclusion that there was no or negative benefit to replacing saturated fats with poly or mono unsaturated fats
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2014/03/19/dietary-fat-and-heart-disease-study-is-seriously-misleading/

As usual, ketolards and their apologists cherry pick sensationalist tabloid headlines, extrapolate with strawmanning narratives, and fail to look at or address actual data

[Anonymous No.11750676]

>>11750651
>cellar full of ignored data
Has nothing to do with the Keys equation or lipid hypothesis

>Scientific American
A pop journal

>People are dying because everything has been denaturealized.
Lol what? Cool conjecture doctor

>People eat meat, butter and milk which has been produced on grains and soy instead of grass and insect diets. This has consequences.
Consequences you cant prove because youre a bullshitting dumbass.

>just wanted to share with you brainlet that you're using papers which have been considered faulty for decades.
And again, considered faulty by retards who dont read any actual papers

Read more for clarification here >>11750660

You have no interest in integrity. It’s why you’re strawmanning and using ad hominems with blanket vague unsupported generalizations instead of refuting the actual data. Who’s refuted it? Chris Kresser? Mercola? WAPF? You’re led by the same sheperds you claim not to follow. You will accept anything that supports your biases no matter how flawed

[Anonymous No.11750681]

>>11750641
Even if we accept the idiotic idea that we’re like carnivores despite using tools, in no way are we 90% carnivore

[Anonymous No.11750764]

>>11750681
Gut length to body length. It gets longer the more plants you eat, because they tae longer to digest.
Cat (true carnivores) 2:1
Sheep (true herbivores) 21:1
Humans 4:1

Sure, we can fuel ourself with plants for a while, just like cats don't starve to death after a week of vegan cat food. But we slowly waste away as our body starts autphaging the shit out of our meat reserves to get to what he needs. That's why there are no longterm vegan humans and cats which aren't looking like one of the acopalyptic riders.

[Anonymous No.11750777]

>>11750676
>And again, considered faulty by retards who dont read any actual papers
>You have no interest in integrity. It’s why you’re strawmanning and using ad hominems with blanket vague unsupported generalizations instead of refuting the actual data

Ironic. Enjoy your asscancer. I have long ceased to discuss with ideologues, it was primarily for the silent reader to do his own research into such retarded claims.

It does make it more laughable when considering my occupation, but than again, I don't need an argument of authority.

[Anonymous No.11750787]

>>11750777
Great argument, doctor. Another fact filled substantial rebuttal that isn’t an entire ad hominem!

Your job is to blow me and be my ass slave while I deal with the real big boys who can bring something to the table. Thank you! Next!!

[Anonymous No.11750803]

>>11750764
Except humans are 9x1. Carnivores dont need exogenous Vitamin C, do not suffer from hypervitaminosis A, have no enzymes to digest carbs or more specifically starches, have actual carnivorous teeth and nails

Your conclusion points us to being plant based omnivores more than anything. Like chimps are

[Anonymous No.11750967]

>>11750803
Not even the longest standard is 9m.
https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2001/AnneMarieThomasino.shtml

They don't need it because they get it through meat, just like humans can get all the Vitamin C from meat, especially the liver. Further so, as the requierement is lower due to lacking carbs which increase the need for it.

I also didn't say we are carnivores. I said we should be eating mainly meat, not exclusevly.

Unlike chimps our intenstinal length is far shorter, because guts need energy and you can't have tweo massive energy wasters. We evolved to meat because our brain needs more energy (or vice versa) so plants wont do, especially as we had to cut our intestines shorter to save the needed energy. That's why chimps need to eat all day long without much time for anything else and still beeing brainlets. Your brain wastes a quarter of your whole energy requierement. You wont find enough food outside of the fruit season to get enough of it. Let alone that a fruit diet would fuck you up badly, as there are little to no saturated fats on which your brain works.

If you want the gut to run on plants, don't be surprised that your mental capabilities will shorten.

[Anonymous No.11751000]

>>11750967
>not even the longest standard is 9 meters
Right, it says 10, and we’re talking ratios

>they dont need it because they eat meat
Thats not the point, they dont need exogenous vitamin C, if humans dont, they die, you can only get sufficient Vitamin C from the liver if you have no problem spiking Vitamin A levels

>Further so, as the requierement is lower due to lacking carbs which increase the need for it.
Pseudoscience, competition for Vitamin C and glucose does not happen beyond oral ingestion which is to say it’s irrelevant and oxidized Vitamin C through DHAA does not compete with glucose. A myth that is apparently supposed to demonize fruit and vegetable consumption

>also didn't say we are carnivores. I said we should be eating mainly meat, not exclusevly.
Carnivores do that too. Doesn’t make your idiotic claims less silly

>and you can't have tweo massive energy wasters. We evolved to meat because our brain needs more energy (or vice versa) so plants wont do
This and the intestine speak to cooked foods more than anything. Especially glucose rich starches and carbohydrates that our brains immediately and efficienctly run on

There is no omnivore or carnivore that gets atherosclerosis from eating saturated fats and cholesterol, yet humans do? Interesting. It seems according to your own dip shit theories youre not eating enough meat

[Anonymous No.11751003]

>>11747559
Principles. They generally suffer from too much ideals from their ideology, which blocks the uptake of principles, which also shows up in an imbalance of morals.

[Anonymous No.11751049]

>>11748475
Vegan breast milk is nutritionally deficient to the point of killing infants.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk

[Anonymous No.11751063]

>>11751000
I got guests to entertain, otherwise I would keep up the fun of proving you wrong. But let me at least thank you for saving the good food for those of us beeing able to put it to good use. Agenda 21 wont realise herself without such selfless soldiers like yourself, fighting for their own demise. But at least you keep it diverse, after a whole week of insect-diet shilling.

Thank you for your service.

[Anonymous No.11751070]

>>11751063
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FAGGOT

YOU

GOT

FUCKING

WRECKED

WOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.11751072]

>>11751063
yikes

[Anonymous No.11751250]

>>11750620
Well done. People in a starvation cult should not be encouraged in their stupidity.
>>11750641
The fraud of that infographic is that it compares meaningless differences. Lions teeth vs ours. Lions hair vs ours. 100% meaningless. Only thing that matters is the digestive system, and Lions wolves and us are really really close (one stomach system) and we are miles away from the four stomach system of herbivorous sheep and cows.

[Anonymous No.11751252]

>>11747559
Testosterone.

[Anonymous No.11751255]

>>11747723
>dies of aids instead

[Anonymous No.11751257]

>>11750676
Let's just get down to basics and not the esoterica of research and science.

Vegans healthy? Yes or no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QaGzenEaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0bJNMFsxA

[Anonymous No.11751336]

>>11749370
>>11749380
>Getting this upset at facts and science

[Anonymous No.11751347]

>>11749701
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html

[Anonymous No.11751349]

>be omnivore
>eat 9 portions of vegetables a day
>also have meat and protein shakes
>get everything I need and 100g+ protein for gainz
>"y-you're gunna have a heart attack from eating meat! Pick a side!"

[Anonymous No.11751367]

>>11751349
Exactly. Meanwhile Hom J Dindu the founder of the American Vegan society died of a heart attack at age 66. (And at that time he looked 166 lol )

[Anonymous No.11751391]

>>11750620
>That chart
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Meat+in+the+human+diet:+an+anthropological+perspective-a0169311689
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>"People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate) "
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/

[Anonymous No.11751505]

>>11750180
>Thats the CHANGE
I suspect that's his point. according to your graph, eating 2500mg (eggs have about 180mg of cholesterol, so roughly 14 eggs) every day can only raise your total cholesterol by 1.2mmol/l. that's a pretty small fraction of what is considered normal cholesterol levels, and even that minor increase requires a pretty serious commitment to eggs.
>A baseline cholesterol score of 500 is
the limits in the US are 240mg/dl which is 6.2 mmol/l in the units of that graph. not sure where you got the 500 from, the only place I see it come up in this thread is in the lower right graph on your image, but that's dietary input in mg/day, not cholesterol score which is mg/dl (and a unit which doesn't appear to be used in this paper), and certainly not mmol/l which is the UOM used in this paper. perhaps that is the source of your error - reading mg/day as mg/dl? certainly if dietary cholesterol was capable of raising cholesterol by 500 mg/dl (roughly 13 mmol/dl) that would be significant. but it doesn't, and neither the graphs nor the page you've shown demonstrate that.
>you add 2500mg it will skyrocket the serum
but it doesn't. it will increase it by roughly 1.2 mmol/l, which is roughly 45 mg/dl. that's not nothing, but it isn't much either, not from eating the equivalent of 14 eggs per day.
>adding 2500mg will have a far different effect
true, that's what the graph in the lower right corner shows (same data as the upper left graph, just makes the point more clearly). dietary cholesterol, even when abused to the point of ridiculousness, just doesn't budge the serum cholesterol numbers very much. 1.2mmol/l is just above the noise level, you'll see wider swings than that from a moderately stressful day at work.
I really think you've gotten confused somewhere, you keep pointing at this molehill and claiming that it is a mountain, and then get angry when people point out your error.

[Anonymous No.11751523]

>>11748067
>serum cholesterol
>not LDL
kek. how old is this graph grandpa? nobody has cared about total cholesterol since the significance of HDL was discovered.

[Anonymous No.11751530]

>>11751505
>roughly 13 mmol/dl
argh make that "roughly 13 *mmol/l*

[Anonymous No.11751541]

>>11750301
>25lbs of broccoli a day.
explains why vegans always seem to be so full of shit. they literally are.

[Anonymous No.11751547]

>>11750632
>Why would you include a faulty variable into a data set?
when the primary "fault" is that it inconvenient destroys your preconcieved conclusion.

[Anonymous No.11751620]

>>11751505
> (eggs have about 180mg of cholesterol, so roughly 14 eggs) every day can only raise your total cholesterol by 1.2mmol/l. that's a pretty small fraction of what is considered normal cholesterol levels, and even that minor increase requires a pretty serious commitment to eggs
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-proven-health-benefits-of-eggs
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-eggs-are-the-healthiest-food-on-the-planet#section1
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=eggs
>http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/189529
>http://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8539
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/search?q=egg+yolk
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2015/07/egg-ology-today-underappreciated-health.html
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013/11/underestimated-vitamin-d-sources.html

[Anonymous No.11752206]

Just thought I’d leave this here

In humans, the small intestine is about 6 meters or 20 feet long and the large intestine is about 1.5 meters or 5 feet long. The gastrointestinal tracts of the Chimpanzee, Orangutan, and adult human and a human fetus were studied and compared by Stevens and Hume in 1995. The chimpanzee intestines showed a longer appendix, a much lower number of loops in the small intestine, and the large intestine had increased haustrations, as compared to humans. It is thought that reduction of the gut is a function of the higher-quality, easier to digest (i.e., less fibrous) diet of humans realtive to other apes, and that an evolutionary trend for gut reduction began when early members of the genus Homo began to incorporate a greater amount of animal tissues (marrow fat, brain matter, and muscle) about 2.5 million years ago. Since gut tissue is metabolically expensive, the reduction of the gut may have allowed early members of our genus to devote greater metabolic energy to brain growth and maintenance, thus relaxing a constraint on the evolutionary increase in brain size ( an idea known as the "expensive tissue hypothesis": Aiello & Wheeler, 1995). It has also been suggested that cooking, which breaks down plants fiber (cellulose and lignin) and connective tissue in meat (collagen) allowed early humans to extract more nutrients from foodstuff with less digestive effort, thus also contributing to an evolutionary reduction in (shortening of) energetically expensive gut tissue.
https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio

[Anonymous No.11752477]

>>11748315

[Anonymous No.11753130]

>>11747559
How do vegans reconcile themselves to the deaths of animals necessitated by protection of any food crops, from insects to birds and large herbivore pests.
because if you don't kill them somehow you wouldn't be able to even grow your food.

[Anonymous No.11753172]

>>11753130
Vegans openly laugh and mock the animals they massacre in their vegetable farms. Vegans and "animal rights advocates" don't give a shit about animals, and they confirm it every time you ask them about their use of pesticides, deep tilling, deforestation and intensive cultivation methods. Ask any vegan about this, and they will deny reality, and laugh in your face, because you thought they cared about animals.

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

[Anonymous No.11753205]

>>11753172
they just flat out ignore this. its pointless "arguing" with vegans just like its pointless arguing with any type of liberal faggot. they have been programmed in a way where they are always right and on the right side, so they will do all sorts of mental gymnastics and double think to justify whatever they do.
until theres a 40 second buzzfeed video telling them not to eat farm raised vegetables and only scavenge for food like a barbarian, they wont care.

[Anonymous No.11753237]

>>11753205
The only retort we could have to any vegan, is to mock them for their sickly starvation diet (which they can't help but see, even if they dont' admit it, this video series destroyed the 'healthy vegan' myth)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFF30jfTubU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HwBtRlyxPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFnkWjmvMOA

The other is, no matter what they say about "animals" just hold up a mirror to their face, and say their hands are dripping with animals blood, and they are massive hypocrites.

Vegans pay for pesticides and deforestation which kills animals. I pay for ZERO PESTICIDES, and my money pays for cows to literally be born, and get a nice comfy outdoor life for ex pic related. I actually like animals, unlike vegans who only kill them.

[Anonymous No.11753240]

>>11753205
What if I told you that the land use and carrying capacity for veganism was significantly less than any other?
https://www.elementascience.org/articles/10.12952/journal.elementa.000116/

What if I told you that animals weren’t so retarded as a species that they could just run away from a harvester?
https://sdaos.org/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/2002/39-45.pdf
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167880904002944

What if I told you the amount of animals killed per hectare and calorie was significantly in favor of veganism based on actual provided data by national agricultural institutes?
http://www.animalvisuals.org/projects/data/1mc

What if I told you the only basis for vegans mass slaughtering is a miscalculated study which measures animal displacement and not actual death as a result of harvesting?
https://fewd.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_ethik_wiss_dialog/Matheny__G._2003_Defense_of_Veg__in_J._Agric_Ethics.pdf

Considering how fair and open minded you are being a big strong smart conservative, you’ll evaluate the facts at hand!

[Anonymous No.11753247]

I'm a farmer
I was flat out called a rapist by a vegan woman I was casually talking to in a shoeshop
apparently AI (artificial insemination) was considered rape by her, this doesn't really make sense consaidering how violent bulls can be when it comes to mating.
she although appearing to listen to what I said basically started rolling off a bunch of youtube vegan bloggers
I think she said "joey carbstrong" and "earthling ed"

[Anonymous No.11753253]

>>11753240
>What if I told you that the land use and carrying capacity for veganism was significantly less than any other?

Only if you control what "any other" means, and craft your comment so (no problem for vegan liars)

and regardless your point is moot. Vegans go about sobbing and crying about how much they care about animals, then dump tons of chemical pesticides on them. Amazing hypocrites.

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

(diff anon)

[Anonymous No.11753267]

>>11750620
>chimps
>frugivore

[Anonymous No.11753275]

>>11753240
>What if I told you that animals weren’t so retarded as a species that they could just run away from a harvester?

Turtles, snakes just sprinting away from harvesters? Fucking liar. How about moles and ground hogs and rabbits underground, just going to hop out of the way when you come through deep tilling?? Well you are a vegan so that makes you a liar 100%

Not to even mention pesticides, which you dump on animals just trying to survive. Impossible for most animals wherever vegan farming and money is involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSM4s12ULWs

[Anonymous No.11753278]

>>11753240
what if I told you about the limited amount of land suitable for arable and horticulture compared to that suitable for livestock

[Anonymous No.11753289]

cold forest rabbits and deer have been filmed eatting carrion

[Anonymous No.11753304]

>>What if I told you the amount of animals killed per hectare and calorie was significantly in favor of veganism based on actual provided data by national agricultural institutes?

Absolute pure retardation. Cows killed per hectare, is like one cow per 15 acres on pasture, while vegan intensive cultivation kills so many animals you can't barely count them. vegans will not hesitate to lie their ass off every chance they get, they know nobody will ever utter the truth in any TV show, media or national news. (Only here)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSM4s12ULWs

[Anonymous No.11753330]

>>11751505
>that’s a pretty small fraction
Lol. A 1.2 change in total cholesterol can make you hypercholesterolemic, that’s not a minor increase.

The 500 is from baseline dietary intake, thats a typo

>but it doesn’t, it’s not much!!!
But it does. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

Your entire ridiculous argument is operating entirely under the belief that we have zero serum cholesterol which is not true, a 1.2 change in mmol or 40+ point change in mg literally goes across three different spectrums of diagnoses. Healthy, borderline, and dangerous

You not only don’t understand graphs you don’t understand serum cholesterol

[Anonymous No.11753334]

>>11753304
>listening to a neocuck draft dodger

[Anonymous No.11753338]

>>11751523
The protective and non necessary benefits of HDL are highly minimized by LDL increase, which of course is the primary increase in saturated fats and dietary cholesterol

[Anonymous No.11753354]

>>11753304
Pastures get foraged. Steven Davis even concedes that at the very least 7.5 animals get killed in pasture foraging per hectare

Do you think that nothing else lives on pastures? That land doesn’t get cleared for it? That grass doesn’t get treated?

It’s okay. You can admit youre a balding literal and figurative mental midget thar has no interest in fact

[Anonymous No.11753359]

>>11753275
>how about this!!!
Well. If you bothered reading the stats. You’d see that yet again a plant based diet reduces harm the most. Your delusional ranting is irrelevant

[Anonymous No.11753367]

>vegans are worse at X!!!!
>>here’s the actual story
>thats not fair it cant be true!!! what about Y!!!
>>as it says here...
>LA LA LA LA VEGANS ARE THE REAL RACISTS!! MOOOOOM!!!!

Rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.11753392]

>vegan: water is two hydrogen, one oxygen

>carnist: well thats just not like fair man come on!!! water is actually three hydrogen when you look at this way!!!

[Anonymous No.11753408]

>>11753359
You are just doubling down on lies.

1. You pay for and you directly fund, chemical pesticide use. (I do not)
2. I pay for and fund cows to be born, to enjoy a life outdoors dining on grass (you do not)

Your 'studies' just compare vegetables crops with factory (Auschwitz) farm hogs and chickens and decide fewer animals are killed per square foot. Pure absolute sophistry and false comparison, when grassland raised cows kills infinitely fewer animals, than you bloodthirsty vegans do.

Keep on lying bro, we can't stop you and (((your side))) controls the media.

[Anonymous No.11753410]

>>11753392
>Omivore: damn the bpth of you, I'm going to eat whatever

[Anonymous No.11753418]

>>11753408
to be honest if we're talking about conversion efficiency we should be looking at insects rather than large meat animal.

[Anonymous No.11753431]

pastoralism is about as close to ecologically stable as you can get, you're basically taking the million strong wild herd model, and deposing the usial apex predators, in favour of humans.

[Anonymous No.11753438]

>>11753289
Check out this compilation, there’s tons of videos of herbivores eating meat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdTXaFtDqZE

[Anonymous No.11753452]

>>11753354
>Pastures get foraged. Steven Davis even concedes that at the very least 7.5 animals get killed in pasture foraging per hectare

Thats a stretch, but maybe the ATVs and motorcycles etc run over some mice. Driving your Prius to and from work at your non-profit kills more animals than that.

>Do you think that nothing else lives on pastures?

That is the point. Rabbits, foxes, mice, snakes, squirrels etc all can live on the pasture, and LIVE, unlike your vegan farms where you sterilize the land and kill every living thing on it with chemical pesticides and intensive harvesting machines. You kill animals, I pay ranchers to have more cows. I literally give life to cows with my money, you pay for chemical pesticides with yours.

>That land doesn’t get cleared for it?

It does, but not for me. America and Australia can provide all the meat for themselves, with zero extra deforestation, the rest is for export, feeding Africa for free, making "ethanol" a scam etc etc etc. But make sure you blame me for all that lol.

>That grass doesn’t get treated?

MINOR MINOR MINOR, and usually just once when setting up the fields, unlike your farms where you kill every living thing on it, every single year (chemical pesticides)

[Anonymous No.11753465]

>>11753431
The Hearst Ranch in California is the best example of this in my opinion. Huge ranching operation. Provides beef to the market, and the land is absolutely gorgeous, pristine. Helps when you are already billionaires and don't have to outproduce the competition just to stay solvent though.

[Anonymous No.11753472]

>>11753452
>thats a stretch
Oh im sorry. Do you think I give a shit about your opinions? Because the whole baby mice thing from your article is from his study

>that is the point
Oh okay. Alternative facts

>It does but not for me
Great point. Facts are only facts when it fits you

Carnists are fat inbred retards that eat and vote against their own interests.

[Anonymous No.11753492]

>wE doNT uSe cHemIcALS LiKe pestICiDes

https://ag.tennessee.edu/EPP/Redbook/Pasture%20Insect%20Control%20Recommendations.pdf?Mobile=1

[Anonymous No.11753503]

>get a graph about vegans killing less in every metric

>it doesn’t even include global warming

>>well what about my conjecture!!!

[Anonymous No.11753536]

Carnism is a religion. They are dogmatic in their beliefs and even in the face of fact, they maintain a devotion to their fragile feelings/identity no matter how pants on head retarded they are. Carnism like religion is counter-signaling to reality itself “we are horrible and wrong and that is our entire personality!” They have a victim complex despite being the overwhelming majority in power because they have no abilities other than playing the victim because they want no responsibilities for their actions much like a religious person absolves his stupidity and barbarism to “gawds plan!!”

[Anonymous No.11753559]

tell me are the ~80% of the so called "vegans" in this thread actually just the usual trolls and shitposters the same for every other board on 4chan/nel

[Anonymous No.11753564]

>>11753559
I would have no problem putting carnists in a factory farm setting and raising them for livestock

[Anonymous No.11753576]

>>11753564
see there's your real issue industrial factory style farming eiyther form is bad for the environment, intensive tasteless grain finished beef feedlots are both of our enemies

[Anonymous No.11753608]

>>11753576
All carnism is the enemy. Veganic farming has consistently proven to be the most ethical and efficient but lobbyists control the world and carnists are fat babies that have a victim complex against a fringe minority

[Anonymous No.11753625]

>>11753608
>fat babies
where the hell did that come from?
my people are pastoralists, maybe you should look up what that means

[Anonymous No.11753639]

>>11753330
0.1 increase can make you hypercholesterolemic if your starting out from the wrong number. If your cholesterol is so high that a 1.2 mmol/l increase pushed you into the danger zone, then your problem is whatever has fucked up your liver so badly to get you into that state.
>you dont understand graphs
I'm not the one that got his dependent and independent variables confused, fucktard.
>you don’t understand serum cholesterol
>says the mongoloid who doesnt know that total cholesterol is nearly meaningless
>>11753338
>of course
You're gonna have to provide a citation for this, after the embarrassing "science" thrown around in this thread.

[Anonymous No.11753648]

>>11753536
>reeee carnists are just like us vegans
why are vegans so deluded? Is it the vitamin deficiencies, or the pre-existing mental illness? Or the thrill of staring in the face of reality shouting "I cant see you"?

[Anonymous No.11753666]

>>11753559
I'm pretty sure they are the same ones doing the logposting on /b/. Thrre seems to be an inverse relationship between veganposting here and logposting on /b/, and occasionally one of them accidentally posts to the wrong board, giving the game away. I always figured their fascination with eating human shit is because it's the only vegan source of b vitamins, assuming a willing donor of course.

[Anonymous No.11753677]

>>11753247
Did you go ahead and rape her? If you're gonna be accused of it, you may as well get the fun out of it.

[Anonymous No.11753685]

>>11747568
100 calories of soy beans has ~8g of protein and ~4.44g of fat so suck it, bitch.

[Anonymous No.11753720]

>>11753338
That hasn't been my experience. I was a vegan for a little over a year due to my girlfriend, and my total cholesterol went up, ldl went up and my hdl went down. my doctor put me on lipitor. After we broke up I went low carb because i just couldn't stand the sight of vegetables anymore, and my hdl shot up and ldl an total cholesterol dropped like a rock, even after quitting lipitor. For me at least, carbs increased my cholesterol and esp ldl, meat decreased them.

[Anonymous No.11753724]

>>11753536
>Avowed carnists should have their spawn ripped from the mothers' loins and raised in a proper setting where empathy for living beings is emphasized
True, that.

[Anonymous No.11753726]

>>11753639
>If your cholesterol is so high that a 1.2 mmol/l increase pushed you into the danger zone, then your problem is whatever has fucked up your liver so badly to get you into that state.
The own frame of reference has 5.0 mmol as an optimal zone. 6.0 is where it is dangerously high. So no, this has nothing to do with ill conceived notions of fucked liver. The margins between optimal cholesterol and dangerous amounts are surpassed by potential increases in mmol

>I'm not the one that got his dependent and independent variables confused, fucktard.
Neither did I, you apparently don’t even know what that means because that was a non sequitir, retard

>total cholesterol is meaningless
And of course this is a cited well based claim, right. You’re a fat fucking retard that can’t read a graph and thinks a 1.2 change in mmol of cholesterol is benign because he’s so retarded to believe serum cholesterol leveld in humans are ZERO

>You're gonna have to provide a citation for this, after the embarrassing "science" thrown around in this thread.

LDL outweighs HDL significantly and increases cholesterol oxidation
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9001684/

Eggs DECREASE HDL levels
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9001684/

Higher HDL genes don’t lower heart attack risk
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(12)60312-2.pdf

Higher HDL may not be cardioprotectivr
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/high-hdl-may-not-protect-the-heart

HDL can oxidize and cause atherosclerosis
http://www.jbc.org/content/273/11/6080.full.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25912129/

If you need any other basic literacy, biology, or statistical lessons. Feel free to kick your legs and scream like the “scientific” dumbass you are

[Anonymous No.11753728]

>>11753503
I kill one cow per year.
And my money pays for four or five cows to be born per year (all the milk and cheese I eat = no cow deaths only life)

Vegans money goes almost entirely to chemical pesticides and intensive harvesting machines (an animal genocide)

I pay for life
Vegans pay for death

(And they don't give a flying fuck about the truth, animals or anything, besides their cult and defending their cult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSM4s12ULWs

[Anonymous No.11753734]

>>11753648
>>reeee carnists are just like us vegans
Except I said the opposite. Was this supposed to be some witty retort? Yikes

[Anonymous No.11753735]

>>11753564
Feel free to try it (remember that we have 99% of the guns) good luck!

[Anonymous No.11753745]

>>11753720
An interesting anecdote but an anecdote nonetheless. A vegan diet is not immune from raising cholesterol. You can raise cholesterol from dietary cholesterol, saturated fats which are bountiful in vegetable oils, or simply a caloric surplus, there is nothing inherent to carbs that give them cholesterol raising properties

[Anonymous No.11753753]

>>11748067
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article-abstract/59/1/39/4722525
>‘In the adult man the serum cholesterol level is essentially independent of the cholesterol intake over the whole range of human diets.’
>There’s no connection whatsoever between cholesterol in food and cholesterol in blood. And we’ve known that all along. Cholesterol in the diet doesn’t matter at all unless you happen to be a chicken or a rabbit.
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11753757]

>>11753728
As your own sources claim. You kill one cow and at the very least 7.5 other animals. Facts don’t care about your feelings. And despite your delusions, the eBiL peStICides are prevalent in pastures, and the land use per hectare and calories as proven by agricultural statistics is in favor of veganic farming. Your response to this is just to be a broken NPC with a glitchy sound file and repeat the same dogshit opinions

Carnists are fat inbred retards that eat and vote against their own interests

[Anonymous No.11753776]

>>11748492
>implying that the average vegan buys pre-made meals rather than making them themselves

[Anonymous No.11753786]

>>11753753
They meant they hadn’t conducted an extensive meta analysis of metabolic ward studies that control for baseline intake. What did you think they meant?

[Anonymous No.11753788]

>>11748492
>at this point i suspect my utterly useless and baseless conjecture is reality

So is the humble glucose deprived carnist

[Anonymous No.11753793]

>>11753757
that's a curious statement
what is a carnist?
I'm unfailiar with the word, I'd like to know how you define it,

[Anonymous No.11753794]

>>11753735
Carnists are fat cowardly retards that can’t even walk on the same sidewalk as a minority without having to shit themselves at a Walmart.

[Anonymous No.11753798]

>>11747590
>>11749888
Protein is the second most abundant item in the body, only to water. It's utilized in most functions and compounds. E.g., intakes are very correlative to height. Epinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin are products of amino acids. 150g / day is very reasonable. Purely that as energy is 600 Cals. …

[Anonymous No.11753806]

>>11753798
Cool. No one asked, faggot.

[Anonymous No.11753823]

>>11753794
This feels like disingenuos projection.
I thought the major cause of obesity was the subsidised consumption of maize?

[Anonymous No.11753833]

>>11753823
I’d think that too if I was dumb enough to listen to WAPF talking points and not researching the issue beyond NYT sensationalist headlines

[Anonymous No.11753836]

>>11753735
And a whopping 1% of you know how to break them down and clean them. Enjoy your weapon jamming while I run my Katana under your sternum, carnieboi.

[Anonymous No.11753848]

>>11753836
>katana
you can beat the average sword fighter with a swinging weight on the end of a chain

[Anonymous No.11753864]

>>11753833
a bigger factor is probably the decline of manual jobs
anyway fats reflect what an animal eats if the animal is fed grains then only grain storage fats will be stored, oddly enough most of those grain fats are from maize

[Anonymous No.11753875]

>>11753864
>blah blah blah my utterly baseless opinion trumps fact

Carnists in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.11753909]

>>11753726
>The own frame of reference has 5.0 mmol as an optimal zone.
Who is "the" in this sentence, and how was this determined to be optimal? Thst seems quite high for someone who isnt eating any cholesterol at all, and probably means you should get your liver checked. My own serum cholesterol is 3.6 mmol/l and I eat eggs and meat regularly, so all that dietary cholesterol has done to me is move my numbers from low to mid-normal. My numbers when I was a vegan were considerably worse, it took lipitor to get my total cholesterol down to that level. So I can understand why a vegan might consider a 1.2 mmol/l increase significant, since you're eating a diet that raises your cholesterol. But that seems to be a problem that is easily solved by switching to a diet that will give you a lower baseline cholesterol number.

[Anonymous No.11753911]

>>11753875
baseless opinion?
fat profile studies are pretty standard analysis
I don't have any convenient graphs easy to hand, and I'm not overly familiar with US scenarios, nbut you seem to be overly simplifying your arguments for convenience
you also haven't defined what you mean by carnist

[Anonymous No.11753930]

>>11753798
A 80kg adult will max out MPS at significantly less than 150g/day.

[Anonymous No.11753933]

>>11753786
>There’s no connection whatsoever between cholesterol in food and cholesterol in blood. And we’ve known that all along. Cholesterol in the diet doesn’t matter at all unless you happen to be a chicken or a rabbit.
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11753963]

>>11753788
Why would a carnist be glucose deprived?

[Anonymous No.11753971]

>>11753726
>Neither did I

[Anonymous No.11753982]

>>11753909
>Who is the
The reply chain and discussion is jumbled up. The original talking point of optimal mmol was the reference point from the chart linked here >>11753909
but that’s so far removed time and post wise I understand the confusion.

It is significant because you are going from optimal to unhealthy. Or optimal to dangerous.

[Anonymous No.11753984]

>>11753734
>claiming veganism isnt a cult

[Anonymous No.11754002]

>>11753911
>baseless opinion?
Yes. You’re making a retarded blanket claim, your dumb conjecture as fact that everyone is supposed to accept, then we’re supposed to meet with your lack of evidence with “well you should just believe me!!”

I can’t imagine you’d accept such an absurd notion in any other facet of life

[Anonymous No.11754010]

>>11753971
>>11753984
Great thoughtful opinions from carnists once again. I love meat now!!!

[Anonymous No.11754013]

>>11753982
Or optimal to optimal, because really if your base cholesterol with no dietary cholesterol is 200 points, you've got serious problems you need to get looked at before worrying about the 40 points you might get from eating over a dozen eggs per day. That 40 points isnt nothing, but it's not remotely the low hanging fruit in this situation.

[Anonymous No.11754022]

>>11753933
Why do carnists think spamming the same retarded debunked talking points is an effective tactic? I mean I guess it is on incelchan but that’s a low bar to clear

[Anonymous No.11754024]

>>11753745
>frantic flurry of handwaving and excuses
You arent fooling anyone vegan

[Anonymous No.11754050]

>>11754013
>or optimal to optimal
Possibly? It’s an objectively significant change

>because really if your base cholesterol with no dietary cholesterol is 200 points, you've got serious problems you need to get looked at before worrying about the 40 points you might get from eating over a dozen eggs per day.
Okay, we went over this point already. And we’re rehashing the fact you think optimal cholesterol going to well over the dangerous amount is insignificant and seem to yet again not understand the fact cholesterol synthesis and absorption cuts off at a certain point. Plug in the Keys equation and tell me what you find

>That 40 points isnt nothing, but it's not remotely the low hanging fruit in this situation.
Uhhh yeah, that doesn’t mean what you think it does. People don’t start with serum cholesterols of zero

[Anonymous No.11754060]

>>11754022
"Cholesterol is not considered a nutrient of concern for overconsumption.”
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11754065]

>>11754024
Coconut oil is almost as atherogenic as butter, are you saying plant oils don’t contain saturated fats or are you just again just kicking and screaming at reality with your opinions?
http://www.jlr.org/content/36/8/1787.full.pdf

[Anonymous No.11754074]

>>11754050
People who *start* with serum cholesterol levels of 5.0 have problems that cutting a few eggs won't solve.

[Anonymous No.11754078]

>>11754060
That there is no quantitative limit on cholesterol consumption in regards to harm but nonetheless you should consume as little as possible

>As recommended by the IOM, individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible … Strong evidence from mostly prospective cohort studies but also randomized controlled trials has shown that eating patterns that include lower intake of dietary cholesterol are associated with reduced risk of CVD, and moderate evidence indicates that these eating patterns are associated with reduced risk of obesity. … Dietary cholesterol is found only in animal foods such as egg yolk, dairy products, shellfish, meats, and poultry.”

[Anonymous No.11754088]

>>11754074
I didn’t say they start with 5 either. You can spin this in literally any fashion you want. Your opinions and misframing are completely irrelevant

[Anonymous No.11754104]

>>11753930
There are other aspects.

Another perspective: what, in the availability of simple pills and powders, the purpose of carbs even is. They're another method of acquiring energy, but pyruvate supplements are existent; and hypoglycemia is huge for sensations and interests.

>>11753806
>>>/global/rules/6

[Anonymous No.11754109]

>>11747559
>lacking protein
this meme needs to end
chump veggies/vegans don't help it though

[Anonymous No.11754111]

>>11754065
>vegan diet is lower cholesterol than carnist
>n..n..n..no vegan diet can be higher cholesterol than carnist
>thinks this is a defense
the fruits of years of vitamin deficiency

[Anonymous No.11754112]

>>11754104
>>>/global/rules/7
>>>/global/rules/10
>>>/global/rules/13

Your posts and shilling have nothing to do with the discussion you faggot

[Anonymous No.11754123]

>>11754111
Vegan diet is lower in dietary cholesterol, but serum cholesterol isn’t dependent on dietary cholesterol

Did you think that was a clever comeback or something by pretending I said something I didn’t?

[Anonymous No.11754132]

>>11754088
Speaking of spin, did you hear the one about the vegan who claimed that dietary protein was bad because someone (vegan) in incipient liver failure might push themselves over the edge if they suddenly decided to go on an ovitarian diet? No no wait, that's not the funny part. The funny part is he (pic related) expected people to take him seriously.

[Anonymous No.11754148]

Vegan: The sky is blue

Carnist: THATS NOT FAIR WHAT ABOUT SMOG

[Anonymous No.11754150]

>>11754123
How retarded are you? serum cholesterol is clearly dependent on dietary cholesterol, as shown in
>>11748160 and
>>11749701
Wipe the drool off your chin and try to pay attention.

[Anonymous No.11754157]

>>11754150
Are you even trying at this point?

[Anonymous No.11754224]

>>11748658

Preformed VitA from animal products is digested much better than from fruits and veggies.

[Anonymous No.11754250]

I'm an omnivore btw, not sure if that matters.

So I just cooked up a vegan dish of potato and lentil curry with coconut milk and a side of medley rice for meals this week. It doesn't taste that bad honesty and I find it fun to play around with some occasional vegan options since it can be both tasty and nutritious.

[Anonymous No.11754303]

>>11754224
On the other hand, it's very hard to poison yourself with beta carotene.

[Anonymous No.11754317]

>>11754148
The sky is black, it's just the way sunlight refracts through water particles in the air.

Proof: the sky is black when it is night time even from the reflected light off the moon, from other stars, and even when you shine a very bright light into it.

[Anonymous No.11754374]

>>11754123
>The European countries, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Korea and India among others do not have an upper limit for cholesterol intake in their dietary guidelines. Further, existing epidemiological data have clearly demonstrated that dietary cholesterol is not correlated with increased risk for CHD. Although numerous clinical studies have shown that dietary cholesterol challenges may increase plasma LDL cholesterol in certain individuals, who are more sensitive to dietary cholesterol (about one-quarter of the population), HDL cholesterol also rises resulting in the maintenance of the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio, a key marker of CHD risk.
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11754451]

>>11754374
Quoted by Maria Luz Fernandez

[Anonymous No.11754476]

>>11754374
>>11754451
Lol

[Anonymous No.11754787]

>>11754022
Bro, vegans are entertainment for normal people. I can't think of anything else useful they do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-QaGzenEaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0bJNMFsxA

[Anonymous No.11755550]

>>11753720
If you are American,then it makes sense.

[Anonymous No.11755553]

this is one laughable thread.

[Anonymous No.11756894]

>>11750620
You realize how many more plants are consumed per pound of meat yeilded compared to per pound of fruits and vegetables?

[Anonymous No.11756916]

>>11754476
Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.11757255]

>>11750620
>That chart
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Meat+in+the+human+diet:+an+anthropological+perspective-a0169311689
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>"People who read books know a fact that vegetarians do not- that at one point in history, the Earth's total population of humans dropped to between 5,000 and 10,000 individuals, due to the eruption of Mt. Toba in Sumatra, which killed off most of the available plant and animal life on Earth in 71,000 BC. During this period of time, humans were confined to an extraordinarily small area of Africa that escaped glaciation, where they subsisted on a diet that was "approximately 50-70% meat and 50-30% plants, respectively." This diet was necessitated by the die-off of plants and animals, and the lack of a varied diet that could have been otherwise obtained though plant gathering. It was at this time that the Neanderthal diet came to consist of naught but meat, due to the complete lack of availability of edible vegetation, which likely lasted for at least 1000 years.(Plants/climate) "
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/

[Anonymous No.11757315]

>>11747568
>fat is bad

[Anonymous No.11757324]

>>11753130
they know that they're preventing billions of brapping cows from destroying the earth so they can live with some dead bugs, rabbits, and snakes

[Anonymous No.11757574]

>vegan vs retard thread
the mental gymnastics & fake news, every time. c'mon, guys.