/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11671515]

Just a reminder: Diets. Do. Not. Work.

[Anonymous No.11671531]

>>11671515
Imagine being so weak you can't stop yourself from eating a cookie.

[Anonymous No.11671542]

>>11671515
They work if you eat less calories than you use.

[Anonymous No.11671556]

>>11671515
>Diets. Do. Not. Work.
they certainly do.
The diet becomes what you eat all the time.
I would never eat a cookie in the current year.

[Anonymous No.11671583]

>>11671515
I mean what do you mean they do not work? Like dieting is a physical impossibility?

[Anonymous No.11671596]

>>11671515
Everyone knows the person on the right is also going to eat all the cookies. They just won't feel bad about it

[Anonymous No.11671602]

>>11671531
based. fatties have no self control

[Anonymous No.11671609]

>>11671515
>trying to avoid sweets
>craves cookie
>eats something healthier to give full feeling
>drinks some tea to satisfy sweet tooth
wow how impossible

[Anonymous No.11671611]

>>11671515
>Diets. Do. Not. Work.
t. fatty

[Anonymous No.11671638]

>>11671515
Some fucking jew at munchies probably made this.

[Anonymous No.11671645]

Cringe.
Usually /fit/ has ridiculous coping that acts as motivation fuel but this is just distasteful

[Anonymous No.11671687]

>>11671515
epic... simply EPIC...

[Anonymous No.11671695]

glad people are finally getting woke on this subject

[Anonymous No.11671699]

>>11671583
Look up 'intuitive eating' and 'health at every size.' It's science-denialist obesity apologism.

[Anonymous No.11671707]

>>11671695
It's literally basic math. Your body needs energy to live and perform any function at all, and calories are the measure of that energy.

Now, for just life processes, normally you'll burn about 2000 calories. If you eat 2000 calories worth of food, then you'll maintain equilibrium. No weight gain, no weight loss. But if exercise and burn another 500 calories on top of that, wheres the extra 500 calories gonna come from if you only ate 2000? Stupid tumblr dumbasses.

And yes, there are other things to consider like how much sugar and macronutrients your getting, but "calories in, calories out" is an effective measure for how to gain/lose weight.

[Anonymous No.11671717]

>>11671687
I remember when I was fixing my diet, I had intense cravings for fried potatoes. Chips, fries and hash browns because that's what I mostly ate. I started making plans about relapsing or what I'd eat when the month was over. At the end of the month though, I just didn't care about them anymore because the cravings were gone. Started eating them again because I need more calories to bulk up but I don't crave them

[Anonymous No.11671742]

>>11671707
Trying to explain to my fat short cousin that she can't eat as much as her 6 foot tall co-workers and not get fat was infuriating

[Anonymous No.11671745]

>>11671695
When I encounter retards like that I ike to start with extreme examples and work back towards a realistic situation to see when they start suddenly denying basic physcis.

>okay so if you eat nothing at all you can't gain weight right
>right
>and if you only eat 1 apple a day you'll definitely lose weight right?
>yeah
>but what if you only eat small buttered cracker
>well butter's fat so it's bad and the cracker is just carbs and that's not good either
>yeah but only 1 a day, nothing else, that's about as much calories an apple
>...okay yeah [clearly not agreeing deep down]
etc

[Anonymous No.11671749]

>>11671707
You're right on theory wrong with your generalized 2k a day prescription that's just an average but every person is a unique point on that average based on many factors an individuals maintenance kcal intake could vary anywhere between 1.5k to upwards of 3k. Its a good place to start because its an average but you should also track your weight over the course of months and tweak intake as needed. When people skip the more tedious step of hammering down their particular maintenance allotment is where they run into trouble. It could be that you're really close to the average so you've never had this problem. I'm a manlet and because I have a smaller frame I simply do not need as many kcals as taller people.

[Anonymous No.11671755]

>>11671745
>Expecting fat women to use logic and not feelings
Wow, way to mansplain bigot

[Anonymous No.11671760]

>>11671749
You can find TDEE calculators and they'll be fairly correct, all it need is height, weight, age and sex.

[Anonymous No.11671766]

>>11671609
>drinking sweet tea
Kill yourself cousin fucker

[Anonymous No.11671777]

>>11671749
Imagine being such a fucking autist that you can't maintain a healthy weight without micromanaging your goddamn caloric intake

[Anonymous No.11671778]

>>11671766
stfu coastie cuck. Sweet tea is gross tho.

[Anonymous No.11671787]

>>11671778
>implying coastie

[Anonymous No.11671791]

>be fat
>don't want to be fat anymore
>decide to stop overeating
>cut out one meal from my day
>do 20 minutes of exercise daily
>drop nearly 100 pounds in a year

Sometimes you just gotta push forward mates.

[Anonymous No.11671793]

>>11671515
If you're incapable of restraining yourself from ruminating simple carbs, you're not human. These inhuman butter golems deserve to suffer.

[Anonymous No.11671795]

>>11671687
i enjoy this photograph, i saved it without your permission

if it weren't for booze, i wouldn't have to diet though.

[Anonymous No.11671797]

>>11671777
Some people don't grow up with healthy eating habits and have to learn from scratch. Most of my mom's family grew up poor with scarcity of food. They all have issues with food hoarding and overfeeding their kids every two hours with whatever they want. Most are fat and don't understand that they overeat.

[Anonymous No.11671800]

What if your intuition is to eat all the cookies?
This post is retarded

[Anonymous No.11671813]

>>11671797
I grew up on mcnuggets and top ramen, sat on my ass drinking soda and playing video games throughout HS, and have never been over a 27 on the BMI. Just stop being a fucking brainlet autist

[Anonymous No.11671822]

>>11671813
I bet you have the flabby body comp of a half way deflated balloon.

[Anonymous No.11671833]

>>11671822
Say it to my face, faggot

[Anonymous No.11671857]

if you unironically try to diet rather than fast to lose weight you are a true idiot.
it takes literally 0 effort to fast and makes you lose quicker, while dieting requires planning and calorie counting and makes you lose at a literal snail's pace

anybody who defends dieting over fasting unless they have some kind of medical condition like diabetes is either a literal retard or in denial and angry that he wasted time trying to diet

[Anonymous No.11671865]

>>11671857
Fasting is a type of diet though

[Anonymous No.11671868]

>>11671857
t. anorexic

[Anonymous No.11671892]

>>11671857
It’s better to change your eating habits in the long run. I’d rather not sporadically fast my entire life. Instead, I just adopt healthy eating habits. Much easier and much better for you

[Anonymous No.11671896]

>>11671833
Post body larper.

[Anonymous No.11671904]

>>11671857
I lift so fasting would make me weaker. If you’re fat you’ll get loose skin and it won’t look good without some muscle

[Anonymous No.11671908]

>>11671515
fasting is unironically better
>dieting
>get craving/hungry
>eat healty
>craving/hunger doesnt go away
>have to keep yourself busy all the time to distract yourself or else you will end up eating

>fasting
>get craving/hunger
>dont eat
>craving/hunger goes away
>get to eat watever you want (a reasonable portion) later on
>end up still consuming less calories

[Anonymous No.11672075]

>>11671896
Ok senpai

[Anonymous No.11672093]

Do Americans?

[Anonymous No.11672546]

>>11671515
Do I have self control if I've never been overweight but still eat like shit and can't stick to a diet?

[Anonymous No.11672704]

>>11671515
You are right, but for the wrong reason

[Anonymous No.11672713]

>>11671857
Dumbest post itt

[Anonymous No.11672735]

I would probably lose 20 pounds per month if I just stopped drinking. I don't even understand how people get so heavy outside of drinking soda.

[Anonymous No.11672777]

>>11671515
The left side only applies to disgusting fat fucks like you and your family.

[Anonymous No.11672876]

>>11672713
Dumbest post itt

[Anonymous No.11672971]

>>11672876
pumbest Dost tit

[Anonymous No.11672976]

>>11671515
>eat 2 meals a day
>realize i'm gaining weight
>make one of my meals smaller
>lose weight
It's not hard. Wanting a cookie and thinking eating a rice cake is going to satisfy you is kind of weird though, you should either just only have a cookie occasionally and stop eating if you're not really hungry.

I wonder if anyone will ever come up with 0 calorie food that actually tastes good though, that would really help most people lose weight.

[Anonymous No.11673055]

who here /fast/?

[Anonymous No.11673060]

>>11671515
diets work, dumb broads just don't know how to diet
also exercise is half of what you need on a diet, muscle mass increases metabolism and allows you to occasionally cheat with a cookie and stay lean

[Anonymous No.11673103]

>>11671515
The whole point of the exercise of fasting is to condition a new habit over the dependence on food you created. Food should always be simple and should only be eaten when you're hungry. I know this is contrary to what this board stands for. Do you really need to eat five doughnuts, two bags of chips, and a pheasant wing four times a day? Boil some vegetables in water the next time you're hungry and eat that.

[Anonymous No.11673112]

If you just eat normal amounts of food and stay physically active on a daily basis you don't need to diet.

[Anonymous No.11673146]

>>11673055
no I'm bulking

[Anonymous No.11673215]

>>11671515
This is so true, I have a sister that would buy snacks cookies, chips etc. But would not open the bag until I do, but I just take a hand full because I crave em, but the next day the snacks are gone because she ate them all! Btw she's on a diet

[Anonymous No.11673237]

>>11672976
>eat 2 meals
>gain weight
You throwing fucking bacon and frying your meals?

[Anonymous No.11673249]

>>11673055
Dry /fast/er here. Doing a 3 day dry transition to 5 day wet.

[Anonymous No.11673267]

>>11671755
I’m fat and that’s not what I believe.

[Anonymous No.11673276]

>>11671791
I cut a meal... but I wind up eating more food either for the other 2 meals or I eat only 1 meal and wind up A) mindlessly snacking or B) eating one way-too-big meal. I swear men have it easier but I don’t know - I realize my problems are literally all in my head. I either talk myself into something I shouldn’t eat “just one more” or “just this time” or “this will be the last for months/years/whatever” or I wind up just forgetting all about any resolve and just eating something I shouldn’t.

I CAN do it, I just need to get the mentality back like I had before. Cutting out sugar is monumental for health.

[Anonymous No.11673281]

>>11671515
>I have no self-discipline: the thread

[Anonymous No.11673282]

>>11671813
Seriously? Simply having a low BMI doesn’t mean you are healthy. You can have a healthy body weight and hypertension, diabetes, you name it.

>>11671797
My childhood- except not for any justifiable reason.

[Anonymous No.11673288]

>>11671797
>Some people don't grow up with healthy eating habits and have to learn from scratch.
You definitely don't need healthy eating habits to not be fat. Two totally different topics. I've been between underweight and the low end of normal weight my entire life and my mom never cooked when I was a kid with all our meals coming from eating out at restaurants, pizza delivery, chinese food takeout, fast food, etc. All that's required to not be fat is to stop being a gluttonous piece of shit who eats too much. It's that simple. Stop abusing food like it's a recreational drug. It's not even that enjoyable as far as drugs go. Definitely very far below the pleasure of an opiate high.

[Anonymous No.11673304]

>>11673288
Habits doesn't just mean the type of food you eat, it's about portion control and understanding what true hunger and fullness is.

[Anonymous No.11673312]

>>11673304
>true hunger and fullness
Hunger shouldn't even play a role in when you eat. You eat because it's lunch time or dinner time.

[Anonymous No.11673316]

Imagine turning one of the simple pleasures of life into a full time job.

Fuck diets.

[Anonymous No.11673320]

>>11673312
Lunch or dinner time is arbitrary. I could eat one 2000 calorie meal a day at 3PM. Would that be breakfast, lunch or dinner?

[Anonymous No.11673328]

>>11673320
>Lunch or dinner time is arbitrary.
How is that a point? You pick a normal time and stick to it.
>12PM - Lunch
>5PM - Dinner
Wow, that was hard.
>I could eat one 2000 calorie meal a day at 3PM.
Don't.

[Anonymous No.11673337]

>>11671515
what the utter fuck is intuitive eating

[Anonymous No.11673344]

>>11673337
It's what fatties tells themselves so it makes them feel okay to eat whatever they want, even if it's 2 slices of cake and some cookies as a meal.

[Anonymous No.11673385]

>>11673276
I am lucky in that I dislike sweet things. It must have been years since I bought some kinda chocolate or pop, it fucking weirds me out that you buy that shit, or how Burgahs stick sickly sweet syrup on savoury shit. Salt, sour and spicy (holy illiteration Batman) on the other hand.

[Anonymous No.11673394]

Novelty fad diets don't work. I don't mean keto or even vegan/vegetarian, I mean that "blue/purple diet" retard shit. Regular diets are just a shift of your normal day to day eating habits, it's not a gimmick, and you don't start eating "alternatives". You just stop eating. That's how they work. alternatives means your fucking willpower is shot and you can't control yourself.

[Anonymous No.11673469]

>eat 6000 calories of garbohydrates per day
>get fat
>die

>eat 6000 calories of fatty beef per day
>get ripped
>live

???caloriefags???

[Anonymous No.11673523]

>>11673469
that's not how it works anon

[Anonymous No.11673527]

>>11673469
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.11673529]

>>11673523
justmeat.co

[Anonymous No.11673535]

"Today makes 60 days since I went on a Zero Carb diet!

You know those thin people who can always decline their favorite desserts, or not eat the free samples at the grocery store? I know people, but I most certainly was never one of them- until now!

Food no longer rules my life!

I seriously no longer think about my next meal all day long! I just eat (meat and eggs only) until I’m satisfied or full, then I don’t eat anything at all for many hours (often 8-12 hours) because I’m satisfied from my last meal.

I no longer care about recipes, having to list and buy ingredients for some food concoction I want to make, counting points or calories, entering my macros, nor do I longingly think of the next gathering or party I’m going to because of the food I’ll eat (Cake, anyone?)

I believe I have broken my food addiction!

My skin looks better than ever. My joints no longer ache with arthritis, the bloated belly, tummy aches, constant gas, constipation and pain are all gone!

My weight is steadily decreasing while my body is reshaping and putting on muscle and bone mass. My body is definitely restructuring and the fat parts are shrinking! Gone from an 18 to a 12 so far!

Before you ask, I did do labs as a plant based (vegan) dieter, and compared them to just one month of ZC and yes, there were marked favorable improvements in important things like Triglyceride/Hdl ratio and HgbA1C!

[Anonymous No.11673537]

>>11673535

And I have discovered that “zero carb Zen” is a real thing! My normally anxious ADHD mind feels calm and settled and it is a new feeling for me.

I don’t think about food anymore. The thought comes along, “do I have meat at home to eat for the next few days?” And if the answer is, “yes.” I move on to thinking about other things and then just have a steak when I get home.

I know I used to think that plants were the source of ALL good health, but now I believe that plants are medicine, and just like one can be allergic to some medicines, one can be allergic/sensitive to plant foods and never do a full elimination diet to see how good it could feel to be plant free.

Hey, with all the science coming out today, it may be worth a shot to try something seemingly unconventional for once and just see what you think and how you truly FEEL physically.

People should realize that the arrowheads that are found throughout the world from tribal civilizations were used to hunt for food. They certainly weren’t used for shooting at root vegetables! Agriculture and farming as we know it is a relatively new idea. Humans haven’t always had access to plant foods, but we all know and accept that they were all big-game hunters!

I can’t even explain what it feels like to have the food monkey off my back!

Thank you to people who have encouraged and supported us these past 60 days!

#meatheals

[Anonymous No.11673542]

I’m a 57 year old male who is physically active. Until three months ago, I would eat anything I wanted A quart of ice cream or a dozen cookies in a sitting? Full steam ahead. Problem was, I had reached 280lbs and began to have knee pain and sciatic trouble, in addition to the sleep apnea, heartburn, diarrhea, and general lethargy I had grown accustomed to.

I decided to ignore the nay-sayers and accept myself for what I am, a carnivore. I am the product of a million years of evolution – the bulk of which time my species ate virtually only meat. It’s only intuitive that we should be awash in type 2 diabetes, heart disease and obesity when we glut our diet with things we were never designed to metabolize.

I’ve dropped to 254lbs, apnea is much better, heartburn and etc. are gone, and my energy level seems elevated.

I’m free and out of the closet, and all I can say to the flower children who advocate vegetarianism is, don’t let your cat out at night, because if the time ever comes when I cannot lay my hands on a beautifully marbled rib steak, all bets are off.

fuck veggies, fuck jannies, fuck mods
animal only diet 4 lyfe

[Anonymous No.11673547]

I tried it for 90 days and based on the positive results, I’ve decided to keep going. I ate 99% beef for the majority of this time, a little chicken, lamb, pork, fish. I failed a few times before getting the hang of it and have been strict for 90 days.

List of health issues:
* IBS (Mostly fixed)
* Depressions and Anxiety (virtually gone)
* Circulation (about the same)
* Dry Skin / pimples (lessened but variable)
* Fatigue (variable to IBS flare ups. Improved recently with D3 supplementation)
* Inflammation or general body pains (variable but improved)

Performance

It took me 6 weeks to adapt properly. Before that I would feel worn out halfway through my workout or shift. It was like I had a smaller gas tank and once I hit a point my body just wanted to rest.

I lost roughly 3-4kgs eating as much as I like. Caloric intake varied between 2,500 and 3,500 depending on how I felt. I would mostly eat two meals a day within an 8-10 hour window. After week 2 food cravings had subsided, what I used to think was hunger was really carbohydrate cravings. It’s no wonder your mood stabilizes on zero-carb/keto.

My strength in the gym has not been impacted. As long as my energy is ok then performance is good as ever. The weight-loss has lowered my body-fat % and I’m at my leanest (69-70kg). I’m very happy about my physique.

I feel more focused and driven as long as I’m not in a fatigued state. Fatigue had been ruling me some of the time but supplementing D3 has helped tremendously. I work evenings and we’ve just come into Spring, so it only makes sense. The mental clarity and lack of depression/anxiety is enough to keep me going with this diet. I don’t know whether to accredit that to ketogenesis, low inflammation, low allergy, nutrient dense animal foods or all of it.

[Anonymous No.11673548]

>>11673547
Key Lessons

Adaptation takes 100% commitment.
You will fail. Try again.
6 weeks strict is a minimum to test results.
Never make more than one change at a time. Stick to the foods you set.
Be cautious of rendered fat. Too much results in diarrhea for some people.
Be cautious of eating too close to bed time.
Keep a diary. Track your symptoms and food consumption every day."

[Anonymous No.11673558]

>>11673547
He'd prob get exact same results by cutting wheat from his diet but eat normally otherwise.

[Anonymous No.11673574]

>>11673558
Probably not, lol. There's a reason even the strictest keto dieters still have to endure carnivore adaptation. All plant garbohydrates end up as raw glucose and indigestible roughage, whether it's wheat, a potato, kale, or an apple. Not to mention salicylates and other toxic antinutrients. Instead of shilling for the garbohydrate industry why don't you take some time to educate yourself properly?

[Anonymous No.11673585]

>it’s a ‘dumb self-hating fatties talk about ‘basic thermodynamics’ like autists when every normal person intuitively understands that the psychology of dieting is the limiting factor and any solution has to take that into account’ episode

[Anonymous No.11673587]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQHnh4YfMs

[Anonymous No.11673612]

I love how half the fucking posts in this thread is from that one anon shitting on wheat.

[Anonymous No.11673630]

>>11673612
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11673653]

>>11671515
Is that some sort of feminist propaganda ?
Just dont eat the cookie lmfao.

[Anonymous No.11673675]

just saw this and grabbed a cookie then I ate the whole box, what did I do wrong?

[Anonymous No.11673747]

>>11673328
>>5PM - Dinner
are you a literal boomer
get off my 4channel grandma

[Anonymous No.11673758]

>>11672546
you are probably in your 20s and have a decent metabolism. as you inch toward 30 get ready for a wild ride

[Anonymous No.11673858]

>>11673469
Despite meatfaggery he raises a valid point. Some people have more gustatory driven metabolic inclinations to consume fat over carbs simply because of their ancestry.

[Anonymous No.11673881]

>>11671755
>>11673267
That's what fat fucks in denial believe*
t. approaching 100kg

[Anonymous No.11673883]

>>11673858
Yeah there are food preferences that can be genetic but overeating will still cause you to gain weight.

[Anonymous No.11673884]

>>11673282
>You can have a healthy body weight and hypertension, diabetes, you name it.
>healthy body weight
>diabetes
Pretty unlikely actually. Vast majority of diabetics are type 2, and 90% of type 2 diabetics are overweight. Excuse making fat people love to focus on the minority of non-fat diabetics (who incidentally probably only became normal weight after pissing it all out before ending up in a hospital when their ability to process sugar first crashed on them) because it lets them believe weight doesn't matter as much as it clearly does.
Hypertension's less of a stretch, it's more like 50% that are overweight or obese there. But if you're obese you only have something like a 14% chance of not having hypertension. So again it's missing the point pretty badly if you take that information and think "normal weight people get it too." That's like justifying your cigarette smoking habit by pointing out non-smokers get lung cancer too and ignoring the massive risk multiplier smoking constitutes.

[Anonymous No.11673950]

>>11673883
Not at all, incorrect. These aren't food preferences, it's in these people's DNA to metabolize carbs better than other people. Someone from a long bloodline of farmers is going to digest grains better than someone from a long bloodline of hunters / herders.

[Anonymous No.11673952]

>>11673950
>it's in these people's DNA to metabolize carbs better than other people
Nope.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357
>Comparison of weight-loss diets with different compositions of fat, protein, and carbohydrates.
>CONCLUSIONS: Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7096307_Ketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets_have_no_metabolic_advantage_over_nonketogenic_low-carbohydrate_diets
>Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
>KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27385608
>Energy expenditure and body composition changes after an isocaloric ketogenic diet in overweight and obese men.
>The carbohydrate-insulin model of obesity posits that habitual consumption of a high-carbohydrate diet sequesters fat within adipose tissue because of hyperinsulinemia and results in adaptive suppression of energy expenditure (EE). Therefore, isocaloric exchange of dietary carbohydrate for fat is predicted to result in increased EE, increased fat oxidation, and loss of body fat. In contrast, a more conventional view that "a calorie is a calorie" predicts that isocaloric variations in dietary carbohydrate and fat will have no physiologically important effects on EE or body fat.
>CONCLUSION: The isocaloric KD was not accompanied by increased body fat loss but was associated with relatively small increases in EE that were near the limits of detection with the use of state-of-the-art technology.

[Anonymous No.11674000]

>>11671908
>have to keep yourself busy all the time to distract yourself or else you will end up eating
Take up cycling or running to keep yourself busy then eat whatever the fuck you want.
Burning the fuck out of those calories so you can eat like a pig is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.11674015]

>>11674000
>cycling
>running
>burning enough calories to mitigate an irresponsible diet
Dipshit, don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.11674018]

>>11673952
>weight loss
Sorry was this about weight loss? No, it literally wasn't, shut the fuck up. This is about how a human body with inherited biology processes food. I don't have the technical vocabulary to read the rest of it, but it's more or less verbosity for the sake of looking big. Ketogenic diet X is no better than ketogenic diet Y? Who gives a fuck? It's a fact that high carb diets make some people obese and other people metabolize it fine

[Anonymous No.11674022]

>>11673952
You're telling me that if I literally filled my stomach on nothing but broccoli I'd get fat?

[Anonymous No.11674027]

>>11674015
Cycling and running can burn crazy kcal if you do them intensely. Not as much as swimming tho. Swimming is one of the biggest burners I know of. Maybe combat sports are similar to swimming as far as kcal burned.

[Anonymous No.11674058]

>>11674027
Swimming, boxing (or other contact combat sports), rowing, or competitive sailing are very hard to beat in terms of calorie burn.

[Anonymous No.11674064]

>>11674027
>Cycling and running can burn crazy kcal if you do them intensely
Yes, but that's an immense amount of effort compared to simply eating less in the first place.

Which is easier: running at a fast pace for an hour (something that most people can't even do), or drinking water instead of a can of cola?

[Anonymous No.11674070]

>>11674018
>Sorry was this about weight loss?
Your argument is seriously now going to be that macronutrient composition magically matters for caloric surplus and weight gain when it has no impact on caloric deficit and weight loss?
>>11674022
>You're telling me that if I literally filled my stomach on nothing but broccoli I'd get fat?
No, nobody claimed that. It's the calories that matter. The fact you "filled your stomach" with something says absolutely nothing about calories. If you instead asked "I can literally eat the same amount of calories in broccoli as in twinkies and it would have the same impact on weight?" Then that'd be the right question, and the answer would be "yes, it would."
A pound of broccoli would only be 153 calories because over 90% of it is water and a substantial portion of what isn't water is indigestible cellulose fiber. That doesn't mean it's better for "your metabolism," it means you're putting a large volume of non-food (water and fiber) into your stomach and non-food doesn't have calories.

[Anonymous No.11674086]

>>11674022
You can't eat over 4k cal of broccoli nor can your body digest all of it anyway

[Anonymous No.11674099]

>>11674070
>grug eat many noodle and rice bowl
>grug get obese
>grug go on water /fast/
>grug not be obese

>grog have metabolism more suited for carb than grug
>grog eat carb calorie
>grog not get obese

[Anonymous No.11674105]

>>11674064
Speaking as someone who deals with stress/binge eating, exercising is much easier. Plus I already hate soda.

[Anonymous No.11674112]

>>11674070
Hold on, when did broccoli anon say anything about a metabolism?

[Anonymous No.11674118]

>>11674064
Breaking muscle increases cell respiration over the course of the day and thus kcals continue to be burned at increased levels 24/7. Plus you'll actually have a decent aesthetic, your heart will get stronger, lungs stronger, veins and capillaries experience increased circulation. The value of intense workout us irreplaceable. Idc what you eat or what your bmi is if you're a dude under 30 and you can't turn in an 8 minute mile you're unhealthy

[Anonymous No.11674133]

>>11674070
Isn't a metabolism's job supposed to relegate calorie intake into immediate expendable energy (rebuilding muscle/bone tissue, brain function, body heat, etc) or into storage (fat cells), to which of course the macronutrient composition would absolutely matter in the selection?

[Anonymous No.11674145]

>>11674112
>Hold on, when did broccoli anon say anything about a metabolism?
You're going to start a pointless compound nitpick exchange here, but I'll explain it to you anyway because I hate dishonest complaints like that:
A) Here's an initial post some anon (and I don't care which anon) made:
>>11673950
>it's in these people's DNA to metabolize carbs better than other people
B) Here's my reply to that post:
>>11673952
C) Here's the reply about broccoli (and again, I don't care which anon posted it, that's irrelevant since he's replying to a post that was specifically disputing the claim about "metabolizing better"):
>>11674022
D) And here's the reply to that post where I mention how a food like broccoli being mostly water and indigestible cellulose doesn't mean it's better for "your metabolism," it just means you're consuming way fewer calories than you would with most other food and are predictably going to lose more weight by eating way fewer calories than if you instead ate way more calories:
>>11674070
I didn't write that the anon asking about broccoli said anything about metabolism nor did I try to claim he and the anon I initially responded to were the same person. He replied to a post that had a context, and I referenced that context. That's all. And if he didn't mean to say anything about metabolism then his question about broccoli doesn't have anything to do with the post he replied to, so not sure what you're even trying to establish here other than a lazy and not even true semantic snipe attempt.

[Anonymous No.11674147]

>>11674133
We have several very good, and recent, studies that have been done which concluded that the metabolic rate between different people varies very little. In other words, the assertion that some people have an unusually fast metabolism or others have a slow metabolism is pretty much bullshit. Unless we're talking lottery-winner rare people, most people's metabolic rate is the same, regardless of diet.

[Anonymous No.11674155]

>>11674147
Also, the caloric values we have for food (4 cals/g for protein and carbs, 8 for fat, and 7 for alcohol) already take into account the human digestive process. Those numbers are not the energy the food contains in a strict scientific sense, like you would get if you measured the food in a bomb calorimeter. Rather those number take into account how human digestion works. They are called Atwater factors, named after the researcher who calculated them based on studying human beings. So when you read that "protein is 4 cals/gram" that's the effective yield to the human body after human digestive processes are accounted for.

[Anonymous No.11674163]

>>11674133
Macronutrient composition doesn't matter for impact on bodyweight when calories are kept equal between two differently composed calorie sources. I don't know what you're trying to get at here, it's pretty simple. You do realize this is the entire point of the modern trend for listing calories on all packaged foods, right? The calories tell you, independent of what kind of food you're eating, a very good idea of how much energy you're going to get from it. And when you have that sense of bottom line food energy amounts you can very accurately control your own body's weight.

[Anonymous No.11674178]

>>11671766
Bite me, smog sucker. Maybe if you knew that food doesn't need to taste like plastic, you could tolerate things that don't come in 20oz portions.

[Anonymous No.11674185]

>>11674147
I'm just going to have to refuse to believe it at that point, this makes no sense at all

[Anonymous No.11674203]

>>11671791
Wtf how did he get out

[Anonymous No.11674248]

>>11673950
>Not at all, incorrect

[Anonymous No.11674250]

>>11674185
It makes perfect sense. It would be inexplicable nonsense it didn't work that way. At a fundamental level, after food is broken down and digested, you end up with a base unit of food energy called "calories." It's the same concept as being able to see the US dollar amount for goods and services. Is the service of a taxi driver taking you to an airport a similar thing to a pair of pants? It might not seem that way, but you could in fact interpret them as fundamentally identical in terms of *cost* if both require the same $20 payment. Are two or three servings of broccoli a similar thing to a can of soda? It might not seem that way at first, but you could in fact interpret them as fundamentally identical in terms of *energy* if both provide the same 150 calories.

[Anonymous No.11674264]

>>11671515
>having a spine:
>"Ill eat the rice cake, or maybe nothing at all, but certainly not a cookie"
>moves on to the rest of their day

[Anonymous No.11674293]

>>11674264
It's really weird how this is now seen as some sort of nearly impossible feat when we have people crossing Antarctica on foot, scaling Mount Everest, traveling to outer space and back, etc. And it's somehow unreasonable to expect a fat person to be able to refrain from eating a cookie.

[Anonymous No.11674306]

>>11674293
>Having expectations or standards for women
It's almost 2019 you bigot

[Anonymous No.11674318]

>>11671515

[Anonymous No.11674343]

>>11671904
>I lift so fasting makes me weaker
I did a 2/3 IF and the HGH spikes at the end of your fast dramatically increased my lifting progress.

[Anonymous No.11674505]

>>11674178
>fatty spewing inane bullshit because his 'beetus juice got insulted
Don't you have an unclecousin to play cave explorer with, cleetus jr.?

[Anonymous No.11674748]

>>11674306
>there are 10 year olds eating fucking salads
oh the humanity, someone call child protective serivces on these sick fucks

[Anonymous No.11674771]

>>11671515
Rice cakes contain like 80kcal each which is about as much as an egg. An egg will keep you filled for much longer.

[Anonymous No.11674863]

>>11671515
Just stop eating so much food and you'll lose weight

this isn't even remotely complicated

[Anonymous No.11674901]

>>11674306
This can't be real. This has to be like a psyop or some shit.

[Anonymous No.11675439]

>>11673542
so you weigh 26 lbs now...

[Anonymous No.11675540]

I've begun thinking intuitively about my whole life.

[Anonymous No.11675551]

>>11675540
>imagine getting into accidents while speeding
Shit driver. I never go less than 10 over and have never been in an accident and only received two speeding tickets.

[Anonymous No.11675556]

Since /ck/ thinks they are so smart, I'd like to see ONE fo you try to disprove this.

[Anonymous No.11675565]

>>11675556
He's absolutely correct in that if you have a condition where your fat cells don't release lipids that you'll be unable to lose weight no matter what your caloric deficit is.

But almost no one actually has such a condition.

[Anonymous No.11675608]

>>11674118
This. Based cardio bro. I'm 27 and my friends all bitch about how they couldn't even finish a mile and it astonishes me. I run a brisk 5k like twice a week and the benefits are literally endless. Cardio for a measured amount of time is hard until it isn't. It takes practice and will like not eating bullshit. Of course I spend my caloric deficit on booze but fuck you my body

[Anonymous No.11675788]

>>11674505
Oh, no, my bad, of course. I should start drinking your premier 'coffee' instead: three and a half cups of cream and caramel over a soy latte. Maybe then I can learn to understand why you appreciate your wife's bull.

[Anonymous No.11675794]

>>11675556
oh no, what will 250kg persons of size do if they lose their "muscle tissue".

[Anonymous No.11675829]

>>11671797
God, it's so true. I overate like crazy at my parents' because they'd eat my food without permission and then chastise me for not "hiding" it better. I'd end up hiding any chocolate treats in my room and then they'd sneak in and eat them all when I was at school unless it was out of sight. Then, at midnight, they'd knock on my door high as fuck, begging for my candy and demanding they deserved it for being older than me...

Fuck. Just thinking about it is making me mad. Growing up white trash sucks.

[Anonymous No.11675832]

>>11671515
or just drink water till you are full

[Anonymous No.11675837]

>>11675832
Water? You mean like from the toilet?

[Anonymous No.11675860]

>>11675837
Mexicans actually consume this?

[Anonymous No.11675875]

>>11671602
This is true, coming from a former addict. Kinda wish they would have left addiction as mental illness rather than a """""disease""""" because now junkies lean on that excuse and never get better.

[Anonymous No.11675880]

[Anonymous No.11675890]

>Dont have junk food in the house
>Dont end up habitually eating junk food
Why do more people not do this?

[Anonymous No.11675991]

>>11675890
Because they're an retards

[Anonymous No.11676390]

>>11675788
Or you could drink water like a regular human being you blathering double nigger.

[Anonymous No.11676403]

>>11671896
This is the sort of inane posturing that makes /fit/ a fucking joke compared to the days of old. You guys are nothing more than closeted faggots.

[Anonymous No.11676409]

>>11676403
>/fit/ was good
Was that b4 or after their god king od'd on speed, test, and ladyboys?

[Anonymous No.11676423]

>>11676403
They still provide some good stories.

[Anonymous No.11676455]

>>11671515
Imagine being the mouthbreather that created this thread.

[Anonymous No.11676512]

>>11676423
150kg is not that big

[Anonymous No.11676521]

>>11676512
Maybe it's not if you're 6'10" and play for the NBA.

[Anonymous No.11676554]

>>11671515
>tfw as a dude who likes fat girls I get lumped in with this fucking "body positivity" cancer
it's not a life style
it's not a movement
it's not progressive
it's a fetish you dumb cunts
LEAVE ME ALONE

[Anonymous No.11676703]

>>11676554
You need to control your fetishes. I may have a rape fetish, but I don't bring it into real life. Don't bring your fat fetish into real life. Love is more than sex.

[Anonymous No.11678160]

>>11676554
kind of know this feel

[Anonymous No.11678183]

>>11676703
who said he wasn't?

He just said he had a fetish. He didn't say that he acted on it.

[Anonymous No.11678198]

started eating one meal a day and lost 25kg in 3 months. The only thing i did during those 3 months was jerk off and watch anime. It works

[Anonymous No.11678207]

>>11675439
The shriveled husk look is all the rage these days.

[Anonymous No.11678220]

keto. does.

[Anonymous No.11678273]

>>11671515
Intuitive eating is a meme. There are only two types of people who talk about it.
1: Fit people who preach intuitive but sensible eating, basically still a diet but less restrictive, perfectly acceptable if you're conscious of how much you actually eat, but such an obvious concept that it wasn't even worth giving a name to
2: Fat people who heard about it from the fit people above, but forgot the sensible part and think they can eat whatever they want and be healthy

[Anonymous No.11678279]

>>11671755
>"and a friend"
sure....

[Anonymous No.11678288]

>>11678273
It's mostly just blame deflection. Originally if you were a fat person and didn't stick to your diet YOU would be the one to blame. Today you're not allowed to blamed fat people anymore because we've given up all sense of agency or personal responsibility in exchange for popsci nonsense about "appetite dysregulation" and the "impossibility" of losing weight through dieting. Because "science says" you have no choice but to react to chemicals like retarded bugpeople.

[Anonymous No.11678401]

>>11675556
>Are there any completely reliable methods of weight loss
So, to be clear, he's talking about WEIGHT LOSS, not FAT LOSS.

>It's pragmatic efficacy relies on your fat cells being willing to relinquish lipids before your body cannibalizes muscle tissue
So it's not that your body isn't getting energy from anywhere, it's that that energy is coming from muscle tissue

Muscle tissue still has physical mass, so your body "cannibalizing" muscle tissue still results in WEIGHT LOSS. Therefore, diet and exercise are extremely effective at WEIGHT LOSS even if, in fact, ESPECIALLY if, your body consumes muscle before fat.

[Anonymous No.11678556]

>>11673055
It's been 1-2 years I eat only once every 24 hours

[Anonymous No.11678582]

Reminder that the keto diet is just meant to mimic fasting since fasting also induces ketosis, and you only get the benefit of ketosis and NOT the huge HGH spike from the fast itself if you do keto.

[Anonymous No.11678652]

>>11678582
Are fast fags trying to dethrone vegans and ketofags?

[Anonymous No.11678655]

>>11673394
>vegan
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209086
that's where you're wrong sweetheart

[Anonymous No.11678657]

>>11673469
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0209086
wrong

[Anonymous No.11679191]

>>11678652
HGH

SPIKE

[Anonymous No.11679261]

>>11678657
>Funding: This is not funded.
Busted

[Anonymous No.11679322]

>>11671766
That poster gave no indication he was from Pakistan, anon.

[Anonymous No.11680089]

>>11671695
>be me
>work with giganto land whale, 350lb+
>brings breakfast to work early AM
>3 packs of instant cheese grits, cause 1 is too small
>then move on to 2 jimmy dean breakfast bowls, cause "they don't fill you up, you gotta eat 2".
>next is a grocery bag filled with half a dozen bagels and a tub of processed cream cheese, cause they go good with coffee.
>all through this she's sucking on a quart bottle of tropicana OJ, cause vitamin C, gotta have that.
>finish it all off with a honey bun and a cheese danish from vending machine, cause "still hungry.
>starts talking about slow metabolism-can't lose weight, while she pulls out a jar of honey roasted p-nuts for a "snack" while she works.
>starts wondering about what's for lunch.

[Anonymous No.11681471]

>>11671515
>cravings isnt satisfied
stop reading there

[Anonymous No.11681771]

>>11672735
This. Counting it up I'm probably getting 3000+ calories/week just from beer.

[Anonymous No.11681823]

I do the oil diet. Just drink 8oz of your favorite cooking oil and take a multivitamin daily. CICO is all that matters and it's cheap as fuck.

[Anonymous No.11681955]

>>11676403
on the contrary, people making wild claims with no body evidence should be called out and dismissed. not doing so is why you have morons with retarded meme diets and awful workout routines shitting up the board

[Anonymous No.11681970]

>>11681955
I feel the same way about faggots on here bitching about poorfags. They should post W2s with sensitive information censored but they won't because they're larpers

[Anonymous No.11681987]

>>11681970
It's pretty easy to identify people who have money and those are just pretending.

[Anonymous No.11682051]

>>11681987
Not really. You can end up with a lot of money without it being the result of your own calculated efforts, in which case you would sound pretty much the same as you did before you got your money. Not just an inheritance thing either. It's not uncommon for autists who can barely take care of basic shit like personal hygiene or nutrition to end up becoming really good at programming, and corporate IT department developers tend to make relatively large salaries. Part of the problem with thinking it's easy to tell if someone's lying or not in these cases is you don't usually ever get definite confirmation your suspicion was right or not, and you could just be imagining you were right every time when really you weren't.

[Anonymous No.11682085]

>>11681823
This sounds so absurdly stupid that I'm tempted to do it.

[Anonymous No.11682697]

>>11674064
nigger, lift weights to gain muscle to increase your total metabolic consumption. Cardio based exercise has nothing to do with weight loss unless you are doing 2+ hours of very intense exercise every day.

[Anonymous No.11682706]

>>11675880
Neat bait. Are you a cuck or do you work with cucks?

[Anonymous No.11682714]

>>11682085
You'll probably have diarrhea and feel shitty because you aren't getting protein, but you'll lose weight.

[Anonymous No.11682724]

>>11673558
Are people still demonizing wheat? My skin is fine with wheat and dairy but gets awful if I eat most fruit, honey, sugar, etc. There are too many variables to say that a specific food is bad for everyone.

[Anonymous No.11682739]

>>11682724
>Are people still demonizing wheat?
It is calorie dense.

>My skin is fine with wheat and dairy but gets awful if I eat most fruit, honey, sugar, etc. There are too many variables to say that a specific food is bad for everyone.
You are mentally ill (and/or retarded) and/or deluding yourself.