/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11615392]

>*gives you stomach cancer

[Anonymous No.11615395]

inb4 gut bacteria meme bullshit

[Anonymous No.11615400]

all asian food is cancer.

[Anonymous No.11615403]

>>11615392
Fuck off m8 post the study

[Anonymous No.11615426]

>>11615392
What are the original ingredients of this? Can I use chilli sauce instead?

[Anonymous No.11615427]

>>11615403
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/21/6/905

[Anonymous No.11615432]

>>11615400
Asia itself is cancer.

[Anonymous No.11615444]

>>11615427
I hate these studies. They have such a small sample group it means nothing

[Anonymous No.11615445]

i want to make this shit since all my local asian markets make it subpar and who knows how fucking long they've been sitting on the store's fridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaoA7SKN0g0
base emmy finally made a video guide for kimchi but christ all these fucking ingredients cost over 10 dollars on amazon

[Anonymous No.11615451]

>>11615444
it was a meta-analysis and literature review retard.

[Anonymous No.11615463]

Processed food gives you cancer
Red meat gives you cancer

Who the fuck cares anymore

[Anonymous No.11615475]

>>11615445
What is the major difference of gook mart icebox and amazon freezer storage

[Anonymous No.11615487]

>>11615392
Odds are it's more to do with the high stress levels, excessive liquor consumption, and other salty foods than just kimchi.

[Anonymous No.11615501]

>>11615463
>that handwaving

[Anonymous No.11615544]

>>11615426
Absolutely not. It has to be Korean redpepper. Here's a simple recipe I started with. Trigger warning: the roastie who wrote the recipe interspersed it with her life story, sorry.

https://www.foodiewithfamily.com/easy-fast-kimchi-mak-kimchi-recipe/

[Anonymous No.11615566]

>5.2 cases per 100,000
>50% increased risk would be another 2.6 per 100,000
Probably explained by increased lifespan due to a healthier gut microbiome; At worst you're adding a minuscule cancer risk in exchange for major health benefits. This seems like something Buzzfeed would publish if it was a scientific journal.

[Anonymous No.11615574]

>>11615487
With how common and easy soju goes down it's no surprise these people are getting real fucked up because of it

[Anonymous No.11615593]

>>11615451
Based on 50 or 60 total people, retard

[Anonymous No.11615595]

>>11615566
>Probably explained by increased lifespan due to a healthier gut microbiom
nope. there's a nice chart in the thread disproving this theory.

[Anonymous No.11615599]

>>11615451
Looks like the test subjects are all Koreans. AKA hardcore drinkers who already mostly have stomach cancers.

[Anonymous No.11615601]

>>11615593
>based on 50 or 60 studies
Fixed for you.

[Anonymous No.11615610]

>>11615599
>only koreans get drunk
So other counties with high alcohol consumption rates have somehow become immune to cancers.
Great theory, Doctor!

[Anonymous No.11615612]

>>11615501
>.04%
Worrying about cancer is a meme

[Anonymous No.11615614]

>>11615392
worth it

[Anonymous No.11615617]

>>11615501
They also consume more alcohol than any other country so fuck off

[Anonymous No.11615623]

>>11615601
Then give me the total sample size of people

[Anonymous No.11615626]

>>11615617
COPE

[Anonymous No.11615634]

>>11615626
huh

[Anonymous No.11615635]

>>11615617
source or get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.11615638]

>>11615501
>kimchi is the missing link!
Please. Nothing more than conjecture

[Anonymous No.11615645]

>>11615610
No, Captain, Korean’s produce and drink more hard alcohol than any other country.

[Anonymous No.11615646]

>>11615617
>>11615635
It's not even top 10

[Anonymous No.11615654]

>>11615595
Not part of OP's study. Fake and gay until you post the source.

[Anonymous No.11615660]

>>11615392
Asians don't have the genetics to handle alcohol. Only northern whites do.

[Anonymous No.11615665]

>>11615635
>>11615646
In terms of hard alcohol consumption (harder on your stomach) Koreans are #1
https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/171191/south-koreans-drink-twice-as-much-liquor-as-russians-and-more-than-four-times-as-much-as-americans/amp/

[Anonymous No.11615678]

>>11615654
https://www.wcrf.org/dietandcancer/cancer-trends/stomach-cancer-statistics

[Anonymous No.11615680]

>>11615444
Nobody gives a rat's diarrhea fuck about what you hate you smelly fucking nigger.

[Anonymous No.11615683]

>>11615610
It's called the asian glow and it's specifically a genetic carcinogenic reaction to drinking alcohol

fuck off and die

[Anonymous No.11615685]

>>11615665
>this blog proves it!

[Anonymous No.11615686]

>>11615646
No. 1

[Anonymous No.11615690]

Raise your hand if you have actually been to S. Korea...

[Anonymous No.11615705]

>>11615686
>i'll repost the same blog some other faggot posted.

[Anonymous No.11615708]

>>11615690
Me. I live here. I understand from my South Korean co-workers that they enjoy a lot of food that cause stomach cancer.

[Anonymous No.11615711]

>>11615690
I do; I have stomach cancer btw, not sure if that matters.

[Anonymous No.11615712]

>>11615427
Koreans and chinese get that shit from the insane amount of drinking they do. I wish people understood how many fucking business men you see in asia who are plastered as shit by 3PM

[Anonymous No.11615714]

>>11615646
It's higher than all but one of the other countries on the cancer chart.

>>11615678
Now show us the 20 countries that eat the most lactofermented vegetables per capita.

[Anonymous No.11615717]

>>11615395
Can you elaborate on the "gut bacteria meme bullshit"

[Anonymous No.11615719]

>>11615714
>It's higher than all but one of the other countries on the cancer chart.
that is why you can rule out alcohol consumption.

[Anonymous No.11615723]

>>11615712
>Koreans and chinese get that shit from the insane amount of drinking they do.
Lots of countries drink moron. Koreans don't even drink more than most slavs>>11615646

[Anonymous No.11615727]

>>11615612
Yeah this is just idiotic.

[Anonymous No.11615732]

Why is rhis shit getting so much blast, get over yourselves fags.

[Anonymous No.11615737]

>>11615501
>40% of koreans end up with stomache cancer
HOLY FUCKING SHIT BROS HWO AM I JUST NOW HEARING ABOUT THIS I ALMOST WENT THERE ON VACATION

[Anonymous No.11615743]

>>11615732
>the defensive weeb lashes out.

[Anonymous No.11615750]

>>11615737
Living there makes you have cancer. Thankfully you only went for a tour.

[Anonymous No.11615769]

>absolutely triggered by a kimchi weak link to stomach cancer
>meanwhile processed meat is a type 1 carcinogen but you consume it everyday
Uh huh, pretty typical

[Anonymous No.11615779]

>>11615690
내!!!

[Anonymous No.11615784]

Chronic inflammation in any part of the body increases cancer risk, due to release of cytokines, interleukins, and growth factors

Rapid cell growth and death means rapid DNA replication.
Rapid DNA replication means more and more chances for cancer to arise.

So it's not a carcinogen, but it's like rolling the dice 10 times instead of 1 time. It just increases your overall odds.

Conversely, this is why people who do fasting have lower rates of cancer.
Slower cell growth = slower DNA replication = fewer chances of errors in replication or activating oncogenes

[Anonymous No.11615799]

>>11615595
Niggah, Koreans have an average lifespan just slightly below japan both of which kick western shithole countries like the US directly in the crotch. Back to your HFCS tendies and declining lifespan, billy bob.

[Anonymous No.11615807]

>>11615737
that's 39.6 per 100,000 people
it's not a percentage

[Anonymous No.11615810]

>>11615807
What does that even mean? If it's not 39% then what is it?

[Anonymous No.11615832]

>>11615799
>he doesn't know the US life expectancy is reduced because of dumb blacks with guns.

[Anonymous No.11615839]

>>11615810
39.6% would be 39.6 out of 100 people, or 39,600 out of 100,000.

39.6 out of 100,000 is actually 0.00396%.

[Anonymous No.11615842]

>>11615799
>Niggah, Koreans have an average lifespan just slightly below japan both of which kick western shithole countries like the US
And that chart adjusted for it. Thanks for playing.

[Anonymous No.11615846]

>>11615712
It's the red meat that causes cancer.

[Anonymous No.11615847]

>>11615832
Don't blacks just have health problems in general? I realize Hollywood is a terrible example, but there are plenty of white celebrities who live to their 90s, but many black celebrities die in their 50s or 60s. And these are rich niggas who can afford all the healthcare & personal training they need.

[Anonymous No.11615851]

>>11615832
Kek are you serious? You think that has a major bearing on the stats?

[Anonymous No.11615860]

>>11615851
yes. if you have jamal dying by gunshot at age 13 - 26it brings down the stats significantly

[Anonymous No.11615864]

>>11615705
http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160714000692#cb

[Anonymous No.11615871]

>>11615860
I think it has more to do with the fact that so many blacks and mexicans are morbidly obese and die of heart attacks at age 45 due to eating nothing but Wackarnolds and kfc for 45 years

[Anonymous No.11615879]

>>11615705
According to the World Health Organization, South Koreans rank No. 13 in alcohol consumption over all but No. 1 in hard liquor consumption.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world/asia/tired-of-being-abused-by-drunks-south-korean-police-start-to-push-back.html

[Anonymous No.11615883]

>>11615871
true but it's not mutually exclusive.
You can have black youths dying of gunshot wounds before thirty and the ones that lived eating kfc and getting heart disease at 40.

[Anonymous No.11615890]

>>11615871
Not the purple drank, alcohol, and heroine knocking down life expectancy?

[Anonymous No.11615891]

>>11615879
just quote me the who hard liquor link thanks.
I don't need to read a nytimes bullshit just for a public stat.

[Anonymous No.11615900]

>>11615891
Don't worry about it, I can tell it's already damaged your brain.

[Anonymous No.11615913]

>>11615900
there is a strong correlation between the nytimes and brain damage.

[Anonymous No.11615924]

>>11615832
>>11615847
>>11615860
>>11615871
>>11615883
>hey everybody, US whites are in the clear now! It's only 13% of the population that cause a 38% obesity rating and 40% type 2 diabetes rating never mind the fact when we remove the blacks the percentages drop by 2 points 'cause we was white kangs 'n shite like that, ok? Dag nab dem coloreds anywho.

[Anonymous No.11615933]

>>11615924
http://www.diabetes.org/are-you-at-risk/lower-your-risk/nonmodifiables.html#Race

[Anonymous No.11615934]

>>11615924
it literally takes 2.5 seconds to google "obesity by race"
if you're gonna pull shit out of your ass at least try to make a little sense

[Anonymous No.11615944]

>>11615891
>HELP I CANT READ
Anon I’m so sorry, the public school system failed you

[Anonymous No.11615945]

>>11615924
They're actually right on this. Blacks have a horrific obesity rate along with mexicans

[Anonymous No.11615950]

>>11615945
I know I’ll get raped alive for suggesting this, but isn’t it primarily due to an inability to process sugar because of their evolutionary history?

[Anonymous No.11615953]

>>11615944
>nytime shill
if it quotes the who then just link to the who.

[Anonymous No.11615957]

>>11615593
>Based on 50 or 60 total people
>>11615623
>Then give me the total sample size of people
What the fuck? So you just make up completely wrong numbers when you don't know the real answer?

[Anonymous No.11615960]

>>11615950
Maybe. I think it's more likely the lack of basic education on nutrition and falling into poor family habits. I mean hot cheetos and takis are looked at as cool snacks to eat amongst urban youths.

[Anonymous No.11615959]

>>11615933
>Asian
Oshi-
>Americans
That was close. Good thing I'm Canadian.

[Anonymous No.11615966]

>>11615950
No, it's because they're dirt poor.
Poor people buy more sugar and carbs because it's the most bang-for-your-buck in terms of calories per dollar.

[Anonymous No.11615967]

>>11615891
Citation.

[Anonymous No.11615969]

>>11615960
Hot Cheetos are consumed by everyone m8. Let’s be honest: blacks are mostly poor. Poor people, in general, are less educated in dietary habits.

[Anonymous No.11615970]

>>11615957
I apparently interpreted the study wrong and asked for clarification. What's the issue

[Anonymous No.11615975]

>>11615953
Not him, but:
https://www.who.int/substance_abuse/publications/global_alcohol_report/msbgsruprofiles.pdf
It's page 276 listed as "Republic of Korea." I imagine the other anon didn't link it to you because it isn't actually cited in the New York Times article. They mention the conclusion he posted but didn't include the specific WHO report link.

[Anonymous No.11615976]

>>11615969
They are disproportionately popular among minorities. I used to work for frito/Pepsi. Go to the shitty side of town's grocery store and compare that shelving to the target in the burbs.

[Anonymous No.11615979]

>>11615976
That only proves my point: it’s a socioeconomic thing

[Anonymous No.11615984]

>>11615934
Wow, you're right, google shows non-hispanic US whites at a 35% obesity rate! Amazing, I was off by 1%, *tsk, tsk*. Guess that seals it: Dagnabbed coloreds fuckin' with our statistics again just like they be stealin' a carton of cigs.

[Anonymous No.11615985]

>>11615979
That blacks are poor and uneducated? Racist fuck.

[Anonymous No.11615987]

>>11615723
Specifically hard alcohol jackass beer is just liquid bread with some alcohol it's alot easier on your digestive tract than a distilled spirit that is essentially watered down low grade poison usually with a little bit of sugar to make it palatable.

[Anonymous No.11615992]

Yeah, black people were eating healthily before takis.

[Anonymous No.11615996]

>>11615984
>DUDE 35% OF WHITES ARE OBESE

>totally disregards the line right next to it that says 56% of blacks are obese.

What kind of training do they give you in public school that lets you ignore facts right in front of your face?

[Anonymous No.11616001]

>>11615985
Undeniably true

[Anonymous No.11616019]

>>11615984
The /pol/ "obesity is just a blacks and Mexicans problem" meme is weird as shit. There's this really vocal collection of anons who feel the need every once in a while to come up with a completely wrong alternate reality just to avoid admitting there's ever anything less than flattering about their own demographic. Honestly I'd think you'd want to own up to the truth in a case like this since it's really fucked up what's been done to us and our health in recent decades to where that huge a portion are outright broken in body and subject to horrible disease (e.g. onset of full blown type 2 diabetes and complete loss of ability to process blood sugar resulting in them pissing out gallons and ending up in a coma) and sudden death at the drop of a hat (your heart is not meant to work with a 500 lb body).

[Anonymous No.11616032]

>>11616019
It's extremely relevant to the debate at hand.

If your population has a 30% obesity epidemic, then don't take health advice from a population that has a 57% obesity epidemic.

Seems like that would be common sense.

[Anonymous No.11616035]

>>11616032
Who is 57%

[Anonymous No.11616036]

>>11615996
How does 56% of blacks being obese make 35% of whites being obese look OK to you? Fuck, even at or greater than 1% for any demographic would be a lot. The difference doesn't really matter when you're hitting percentages higher than a quarter of your population, they're all completely ridiculous at this point. It's like differentiating between the predicted lifespan remaining for someone who's 100 vs. 110. It doesn't really make a difference because both are well past the curve of normal / common age groups where you can make reasonable predictions still. Or by way of another analogy, it's like being at 200% in Smash Bros. vs. 300%. It doesn't really make much of a difference either way, both mean you're going to die if someone touches you.

[Anonymous No.11616037]

so how should I cure the cancer?

[Anonymous No.11616042]

>>11616032
>don't take health advice from a population that has a 57% obesity epidemic
Who's saying you should take advice from black people on the obesity epidemic? Pretty much every demographic has been wrecked by the obesity epidemic, even people living in third world countries who dealt with starvation / hunger as the main concern not too long ago. Nobody is in a great position to recommend shit on the basis of their ethnicity.

[Anonymous No.11616044]

>>11615646
"Other" for Slav countries and Lithuania is probably kvas. It's so weak it's not even considered alcoholic there.

[Anonymous No.11616046]

>>11616037
Eastern medicine.
Just ask Steve.

[Anonymous No.11616053]

>>11616046
Like western medicine would have done fuck all. At least the spiritual factor might have helped him cope with his inevitable death

[Anonymous No.11616065]

>>11616053
western medicine would have cure his early detected common cancer. he chose eastern got incredibly more sick and went back to western too late. He even said on his death bed he fucked up with eastern shit.

[Anonymous No.11616072]

>>11616042
Maybe the faggots in this thread who got all hurt when it was suggested that the black life expectency was lower due to them being fatter here >>11615871

and some butthurt quadroon decided to jump into the conversation and basically start crying WAHHH YOU CANT SAY BLACKS ARE FAT CUZ WHITES ARE FAT TOO WAHHHH
here>>11616019

[Anonymous No.11616075]

>>11616032
>30% for whites
You dropped a few percentage points there, Billy Bob, try 35%, ok? Never you mind, the rates are increasing even as we speak for you and your sister-fuck Sally Sue's spawn. But just like the white sharecroppers in post civil war south, you can still say, "at least I ain't as fat as duh niggas."

[Anonymous No.11616077]

>>11616065
It was roughly a 50/50 shot with western treatment at his age

[Anonymous No.11616084]

>>11616046
>>11616053
>>11616065

Let's get real here.
We all know it wasnt cancer.
It was aids.
This nigga wasted away like Freddy Mercury.

[Anonymous No.11616085]

>>11616036
When the life expectancy between countries is a few years (79 - 84) yes having people predisposed to early death affects things.

[Anonymous No.11616090]

>>11616072
The first and last post you're citing there are both mine. I'm not a quadroon, I'm white. I just don't feel the need to hide from reality and find it weird how much you do. Why would you want to willfully deny when something really fucked up has been done to either yourself or your people? That's stupid.

[Anonymous No.11616092]

>>11616075
You keep deflecting, probably to avoid any kind of introspection.

Why ARE they so fat?
What IS the cause of their lower life expectancy?
Are we forbidden from discussing such things in your presence?

[Anonymous No.11616093]

>>11616084
>aids wastes you away

[Anonymous No.11616102]

>>11616085
If you're talking about my mention of life expectancy, I was talking about individuals, not whatever you're talking about. If you reach 100 years you're part of such a small rarity of individuals that no one can reliably predict much of anything about the rest of your life (except the obvious that you're likely going to die relatively soon because you're near the maximum age any human has ever reached).

[Anonymous No.11616107]

>>11616065
Asianfag here,

Eastern medicine is nothing but horse piss, but Steve Job went even crazier than herbal and spices shit; he just straight up starve his ass to death. Even eastern medicine would have told him to lay the fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11616116]

>>11616084
Cancer is extremely well known as a wasting disease so I have no idea where you're getting this notion from. If anything it was a little surprising he didn't waste to death sooner.

[Anonymous No.11616129]

>>11616065
>He even said on his death bed he fucked up with eastern shit.
He would've probably said he fucked up with chemo or whatever else he tried if he opted for that and ended up still on his death bed afterwards. You tend to want to believe you always have some way to better your situation, but with pancreatic cancer (even the "good" kind of pancreatic cancer) you're mostly just fucked.
>>11616107
>he just straight up starve his ass to death
Cancer does that to you as one of its most common symptoms (rapid wasting), so it's hard to say how much of that was really self-inflicted.

[Anonymous No.11616154]

How could americans make every bait about themselves? Me! Me! Mi!! Mi!!!!!

[Anonymous No.11616169]

>>11616046
>>11616065
>>11616084
I've worked with some cancer even though I was never in an actual oncology ward.
Steve was probably pretty much fucked either way, but some people who go for the crystals and snakeoil could have been saved if they'd taken the cytostatics or radioation instead. And that's a fucking problem.
Having people die because some shithead wanted to sell kale juice on his website. When their family members know this is happening and a powerless to stop it it's even worse. What do you say to those people when their 51-year-old mother dies from something fairly treatable like breast cancer?

>>11616084
Cancer wastes you exactly like that. Many things do actually. Just being immobilised and having reduced appetite can do a lot of it.

[Anonymous No.11616195]

>>11615392
Anything that kills so many Koreans can only be based

[Anonymous No.11616225]

>>11616169
>could have been saved if they'd taken the cytostatics or radioation instead
Yeah but what you fail to mention is "saved" means having a 30% chance to make it 5 more years after brutal treatments costing $500,000+, pirate. I'd rather die immediately than give you thieves 1 penny. Go coil up in your den of serpents.

[Anonymous No.11616241]

>>11615566
welp, there's your fucking problem

[Anonymous No.11616245]

>>11616107
>Asianfag here
cringe

[Anonymous No.11616249]

>>11616225
Yeah. Obviously scamming cancer patients is the lowest of the low, but it just emphasizes how incredibly bad mainstream cancer treatment is that even completely ineffectual bullshit is on par with it just from the lack of added harm alone. Surgery's great if it works for whatever variety of cancer you're dealing with, but a lot of the chemical based approaches to cancer treatment are a horrific trade-off where you're getting some short term improvement (with some of the worst pain and suffering imaginable as part of the process) while creating conditions that will make things even worse in the coming years.

[Anonymous No.11616257]

>>11615403
Korea is notorious for their high rates of stomach cancer. Too much salt and pickled foods does that to you.

[Anonymous No.11616299]

>>11616249
Thx for agreeing with me, you apparently know what you're talking about. Just went through the process of agonizing over the pros and cons of the post op chemo/radiation proposals with a loved one. Shit sucks any way you look at it.

[Anonymous No.11616306]

I thought it was all the salt they eat that gives slants stomach cancer. It dissolves their insides. But it also shows that the link between sodium and heart disease is tenuous.

[Anonymous No.11616313]

>>11616299
It's unfortunately the same even outside of cancer for chronic illness in general. The chronic illnesses associated with bad immune system reactions for example tend to be treated with immunosuppressants or anti-inflammatory shit like prednisone, both of which are absolutely setting yourself up for worse medical problems in the near future. Immunosuppressants end up making it much more likely you'll get cancer if you don't have it already (and that's far from its only bad side effect), and prednisone kind of dampens inflammation in the short term only to leave your body sort of thinned out (in terms of durability, not body weight) and worn up so that any future inflammation will tear through you that much easier.

[Anonymous No.11616323]

>>11616313
wow it's almost like you're going to inevitably die and you need to make choices about the length and quality of your life while in a futile attempt to delay the inevitable

[Anonymous No.11616329]

>>11616323
Sort of, except when you're in your 20s or 30s you would normally have a very long time to go before inevitably dying. And many chronic diseases have high incidence rates among young adults. So it's not really the same as people in their 70s dealing with different choices for delaying a death that's statistically in their near future before even factoring in any health problems they have just from age alone.

[Anonymous No.11616332]

>>11616306
>I thought it was all the salt they eat that gives slants stomach cancer. It dissolves their insides.
Kimchi has a ton of salt in it. But interestingly the connection between salt and stomach cancer seems to be specific to certain salt preserved foods rather than to salt in itself i.e. no similar connection has been found among people who don't eat those certain salt preserved foods but do eat large amounts of salt otherwise.

[Anonymous No.11616333]

>>11616329
keep telling yourself that it's a long way away, anon.

[Anonymous No.11616341]

>>11616332
I believe stomach cancer rates are also very high in China and Japan so it's not just the kimchi, though I suppose otherwise their diets are all similar.

[Anonymous No.11616394]

>>11615463
Cancer is already being corrected with an antiobiotic and large doses of vitamin C.

[Anonymous No.11616405]

>>11616333
It's all relative. In terms of the age of the universe any human age from a month old to a hundred years old is near death. A more typical approach to time judgements in everyday living as a normal human being is to use proportions of how much time you've already lived. If you're 30 years old for example you're generally expected to live between another one and two times the amount of time you've already lived. That is a lot in that particular sense. Most adults I know of would acknowledge the amount of time they've lived so far, in total, seems like a long time since it's literally the longest time you've personally ever experienced. You might say the past few years / past decade seems to have sped up and gone by much quicker compared to life in earlier years, but that's a sensible assessment too since a static length of one year is going to become a progressively tinier fraction of your total lived time as you age.