going vegan

[Anonymous No.11603192]

i made a 2500 buck bet with a friend that i can stay vegan for all of 2019. i dont have much to do during the day so i feel this will give me something to work towards. any vegans here wanna talk about their experiences with it and hand over some advice??

[Anonymous No.11603204]

This sounds retarded, how will he know you indeed ate vegan all the time? Will he perform a feacal analysis at random intervals? Who gives money for this shit

[Anonymous No.11603236]

>>1160320
it's the fact that i wanna accomplish it and am willing to be held accountable. i'll be logging what i eat.

[Anonymous No.11603368]

>>11603204
when you are severly malnourished, it shows

[Anonymous No.11603409]

>>11603192
If you win you should get 2 2080tis

[Anonymous No.11603541]

Beans are your friend. Vitamin supplements will help if you can't be bothered to look up what to eat.

[Anonymous No.11603940]

Get into the habit of freezer cooking/doing prep for meals throughout the week on Sunday. The hardest part about being vegan (in my opinion) is you lose convenience. You can't really go to any late night fast food place after work and pick something up because there aren't a ton of options and the urge to get something with meat/dairy will be too strong. Make sure you always have something at home to eat, even if it's just pb&j with carrots and hummus on the side.
Also get into bulk food shopping. If there's a store near you with bins where you can buy oats, chia seeds, nooch, granola, lentils, rice, etc in bulk, go for it. It'll make your grocery list a lot cheaper.
Don't get too ambitious with meals. A lot of vegan recipes have weird ingredients that will be expensive and hard to find and it'll put you off of vegan cooking. Just stick with basics and experiment on your own.
Also, supplement with B12.

[Anonymous No.11603949]

>>11603192
THE BEST ADVICE IS THAT NUTRITIONAL YEAST CAN BE USED TO MAKE CHEESE FLAVORED THINGS AND IT ALSO HAS LOTS OF GOOD VITAMINS AND NUTRIENTS

Sorry for yelling but if I was going to be a vegan for a year I'd want that yelled at me. Also, google stuff online and hummus is your new best friend. Don't be a pleb vegan and eat candy all the time, that's the biggest warning.

Please also review this:
https://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins

Your best bets for daily cooking are Italian, Indian, and Arabic, they have a lot of veg dishes. Often making a main protein can be added to other stuff. Mushrooms are also amazing, and taste like chicken when chicken-fried. (especially oyster mushrooms, very close to chicken)

[Anonymous No.11604015]

>>11603236
Excuse me, can you elaborate on what you meant by this post?

[Anonymous No.11604043]

>>11603192
So just eat normal at home and when you see your faggot friend you eat vegan?
Why the fuck would you fuck your body up just for some money

[Anonymous No.11604562]

enjoy losing your front tooth by 2020

[Anonymous No.11605501]

>>11603192
It's really quite easy to do.

I'd recommend putting all your food for a day on a website called cronometer, then you can check if you have any deficiencies that need sorting. Adjust your diet, and in a week, check a typical day again, see if you need to adjust again, etc.

Protein is not a problem. Nobody on a balanced vegan diet will be protein deficient. Your biggest worries will be calcium and B12. For calcium, try to eat some calcium rich fruit and nuts (almonds and apricots) and green leafy vegetables like kale. Do not supplement calcium which has been shown to have negative effect on heart health. For B12, supplement.

The biggest "craving" that you'll get will not be for meat or eggs but cheese which has some wacky compounds in it that your body will miss. After a few weeks those cravings will go.

You will be eating a lot more fibre, which is good and healthy but try to drink more water to prevent bloating.

[Anonymous No.11605576]

>>11603192
He will fuck you over as even lots of Vodka and wine aren't even vegan.

There's so much shit in human food that you WILL lose.

[Anonymous No.11605731]

>>11605576
You can use barnivore.com to quickly and easily find out if a drink is vegan.

[Anonymous No.11606023]

>>11603192
just pay the guy now. your dignity isnt worth 2500

[Anonymous No.11606052]

>>11603192
Eat fermented foods for K2 (natto, kombucha, vegetable yogurt, sauerkraut, ...). You don't need as much calcium as you think if you avoid eating too salty (aim between 1g and 2g of sodium). Get B12 supplements and sunlight exposure.
Humans are herbivores so you should be fine.

[Anonymous No.11606068]

>>11603949
>hummus
don't forget avocados

OP freeze peeled bananas and blend them. You can add stuff like cocoa powder and peanut butter to make it something really good, though I'd say go for the peanut butter that's just peanuts and oil and salt if thats what you like.

try out all those weird fruits you see at the market but never bothered with. Good luck, and I think you will find that being vegan is not as bad as it is talked about on here.

[Anonymous No.11606075]

>>11606052
K2 is synthesised in the body. There is no health board in the world which has given a dietary K2 requirement.

[Anonymous No.11606086]

>>11606075
It's only true if you have the gut bacteria for it. Better safe than sorry.

[Anonymous No.11606952]

>>11603192
Vegan for 7 years, sup.

[Anonymous No.11606960]

>>11603192
I wouldn't do anything for a whole year that I had to do on a daily basis for 2500 dollars. Anything.

[Anonymous No.11606969]

>>11606052
Humans are herbivores
That statement isn't true at all is it? In fact, it's completely false...humans are omnivores is the truth here...

[Anonymous No.11606984]

>>11604562
>Vegans have less deficiencies on average
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17299475
>Vegans live ~10 years longer on average
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871675
>Vegans have WAY less chance of cancer (8x less)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3048091/
Soy is actually very healthy, studies have proven many of the meat-industry's stabs at trying to make the best protein source seem arbitrary false. (eat soy, don't listen to alt-right/pol/'s antivegan soyposters, read the studies for yourself, I'll link more if you want)
https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/soy/

And here's the biggest kicker:
>Plant-based improves mood, focus and productivity
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23415826
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24196402
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24524383
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15474873
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20389060
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2589444
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17257165
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20515497
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23726775

[Anonymous No.11607039]

>>11603949
nutritional yeast is also an excellent source of purines.

[Anonymous No.11607041]

>>11606960
Brush your teeth?

[Anonymous No.11607049]

>>11603192
He's probably weakening you to rob you of whatever little money you have.

[Anonymous No.11607723]

>>11603192
Vegan since 15
sup

[Anonymous No.11607745]

>>11607041
Honestly probably not. The only thing I'd want to do every day for a year is sleep and wake up. I honestly hate the idea of doing anything else with that kind of diligence and having it be absolutely required.

[Anonymous No.11607750]

>>11603192
Eat normally and lie about staying vegan.
If caught, claim you are maintaining a vegan lifestyle by having ideals and virtue signaling but having no principles, like a proper ideologue.

[Anonymous No.11608061]

>people suggesting you don't actually go vegan

you'd only be cheating yourself. Veganism is healthier, cheaper, better for the animals and better for the environment. You're going to go vegan some day anyway as you know they've won all the arguments. Might as well start in 2019.

[Anonymous No.11608065]

>>11603192
>making a bet that cannot be 24/7 enforced
>actually adhering to the bet
>not cheating while friend isn't looking

Why would you not just eat meat when your "friend" isn't around? Unless they're a conjoined twin, there's no way to enforce this bet 24/7. Either you or they or both of you are retards.

[Anonymous No.11608068]

>>11608065
Because:
>>11608061

[Anonymous No.11608087]

>>11603368
Ah, good point.

[Anonymous No.11608097]

>>11603192
You already lost.
Computers, leather shoes, glue, chemicals, lots of everyday products base on animal goods or labor

[Anonymous No.11608110]

>>11608097
Veganism is about reducing animal suffering by all practicable means. Some of the things you mention will be substituted by some vegans, such as buying vegan shoes. But things like computers there is not currently a vegan option.

[Anonymous No.11608124]

>>11608110
Well then, they must not be true vegans then.
Because not having a computer, or a phone, or a car is still practical, just not comfortable.

[Anonymous No.11608128]

>>11608124
acceptable bait

[Anonymous No.11608134]

>>11608124
Forgoing a computer/phone/car is a huge decrease in what someone can do, for a minuscule decrease in animal products. No vegan will do this, and to try and rule them out is a simple "no true scotsman" fallacy.

[Anonymous No.11608147]

>>11608128
Hey, if it means less veganposters here because
no computer, that's good with me.

[Anonymous No.11608305]

>>11606984
shhhhhh, meatcucks don't like facts. It triggers them.

[Anonymous No.11608361]

eat indian and mediterranean food because they already have plenty of delicious vegan dishes and I say this as a borderline carnivore. southeast asian countries are good as well. eating lousy hippy meat substitutes will just make you go insane.

[Anonymous No.11608387]

it'll cost more money than you make

[Anonymous No.11608408]

>>11608387
this is what i'm thinkingg

[Anonymous No.11608455]

>>11604015

[Anonymous No.11608588]

>>11608068
>You would only be cheating yourself
>only

You can't say that when there's a 2500 dollaridoo bet on the line for fucks sake. He can still achieve a healther lifestyle attempting to go vegan as much as possible but also cheat whenever it's convenient or necessary. Only his morals would take a beating.

[Anonymous No.11609273]

>>11608124
https://www.peta.org/living/food/making-transition-vegetarian/ideas-vegetarian-living/tiny-amount-animal-products-food/

Being vegan by definition means making the attempt to remove animal products from your diet within reason. It doesn't mean go live out in the wilderness and forsake 90% of goods and services that use animal products somewhere down the line. Veganism is mostly about the food aspect not the rest and makes exceptions.

[Anonymous No.11609434]

>>11609273
>Using Peta for your excuse.
>One of the largest animal abuse organizations out there.
Hypocrites.

[Anonymous No.11609473]

>>11608387
>>11608408
I do not understand this even slightly. Vegan food is cheaper than non-vegan food by a long, long way. Meat and dairy are way more expensive than rice and beans. There's a reason the vegan options at restaurants are always the cheapest.

[Anonymous No.11609482]

Can't give any specific product as I'm a britfag, but try all the different meat & dairy alternatives you can find, some are pretty good.

Here in blighty you can get some pretty passable substitutes from tesco, including steaks, burgers, chicken pieces, sausage rolls, chicken nuggets, cream cheese, parmesan and cheddar cheese, which makes doing normalish cooking a lot easier.

Otherwise find a few good recipes books and blogs for ideas for tofu, beans etc.

Fortified plant milks and cereals in the morning can give you most of the calcium iron and B12 you'll need.

The easiest way is to ask other vegans for product recommendations, a lot of stuff like oreos and instant noodles also happen to be vegan by chance.

[Anonymous No.11609489]

>>11609473
Why the fuck are you lying on the internet?
Like, my dude, it's not even bait at this point.

[Anonymous No.11609499]

>>11609489
I'm not lying though. I could get a massive bag of dried lentils to make a whole week of meals for a dollar. Obviously you'd need to add in other things but as a meal basis, that's far cheaper than you will ever manage to get a week of meat-based meals.

[Anonymous No.11609508]

>>11609434
>One of the largest animal abuse organizations out there.
Source? They were out in force rescuing animals during the recent massive hurricanes and worked to reunite owners. They do some retarded shit but they also do a lot of good. They've exposed several horrendous puppy mills in my county as well as livestock abusers. Just because you don't like that some of them throw blood on spoiled rich bitch women wearing furs is no reason to condemn them.

[Anonymous No.11609518]

>>11609499
Sure. But if you eat replacement plant based foods like milk, chocolate, fake meats, cheese and yoghurt, they are significantly more expensive than the animal versions, often by a factor of two.

Of course this is mostly due to subsidisation and not real production costs, but it is a factor.

[Anonymous No.11609524]

>>11609508
He's just a troll. The whole
>Not vegan if you read a book as it has glue from animals
style argument is a futile troll argument, as is
>PETA kills animals

PETA deals with animals in the worst conditions, and as a result euthenises a large number of them. Again, every vegan would agree with putting down suffering animals out of compassion, but the troll you're talking to has no interest in being reasonable.

[Anonymous No.11609528]

>>11609508
They can burn those poor excuses for "Humans" alive for all I care, but they are notorious for owning kill shelters.

[Anonymous No.11609533]

>>11609518
>if you eat x,y,z then it will be expensive
Yeah. If you eat wagyu beef it will be more expensive still. Every diet can be cheap or expensive, but the cheapest possible diet is a vegan one, and the most expensive possible diet is a meat-based one.

It's a complete myth that vegan diets are more expensive.

[Anonymous No.11609535]

>>11609518
But lentils are so cheap you fucking carnist!

[Anonymous No.11609541]

>>11609518
>If you buy the most expensive vegan replacement foods it's actually expensive

That's your argument?

[Anonymous No.11609542]

>>11609518
please ignore the troll:
>>11609535

[Anonymous No.11609545]

>>11609541
>Carnists.
>Expecting them to have enough brain power to come up with a real argument.

[Anonymous No.11609552]

>>11607723
underage b&

[Anonymous No.11609561]

>>11609533
That's a slippery slope argument, though.

Based on traditional western eating habits, most people are still going to want milk and cheese alternatives because it's crucial to so many basic things. Eating Wagyu beef isn't a typical thing your average Joe is going to do.

I agree with you that making a stew with butternut squash or lentils instead of chicken or lamb is going to save you pretty decent money, but it's offset by the fact that buying decent plant milk that won't curdle to shite in your tea is going to cost you £1.50 a litre instead of 80p.

[Anonymous No.11609600]

>>11609561
Sorry but no. Vegans don't just eat loads of replacement foods. They learn cook with vegetables, nuts, legumes, grains, and this is much cheaper than a non-vegan diet.

[Anonymous No.11609617]

>>11609600
So you learn to make your own plant milk too, because you forgot to mention that.

[Anonymous No.11609643]

>>11609617
Not really? You can easily do without, but if you have to have milk then plank milk is what, 40 cents more than normal milk? Who cares. The saving overall for a vegan diet is huge and well makes up for that.

[Anonymous No.11609644]

>>11609600
In theory if you are living on the poverty line yes, in practice do you think you are going to persuade carnists like OP to give up the majority of their dietary staples and many of their vices like pizza, alcohol and chocolate for a cause they aren't fully convinced of?

And most vegans I know do eat a ton of replacement foods.

[Anonymous No.11609656]

>>11609644
Do I think OP will give up pizza and chocolate? Yeah, probably. He's looking for recipes and tips to go vegan. He may try vegan chocolate and pizzas but eating proper food is much, much easier, so he probably will give up on them.

>most vegans I know eat a ton of replacement foods
Bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11609691]

>>11609656
>eating proper food is much, much easier, so he probably will give up on them
You've a much stronger will than I, m8, so fair enough.

I think it's important for carnists to know that replacements are there because most people do eat animal stuff for the taste? I think it'll also get a lot cheaper if there is increased demand (which I think is already happening).

[Anonymous No.11609707]

>>11609691
>stronger will
But it's not though. Vegan pizzas and chocolate are hard to come by. It takes much more effort to go out of your way and find them as opposed to just eat a proper vegan diet, which is what most vegans do.

[Anonymous No.11609754]

>>11609707
>Vegan pizzas and chocolate are hard to come by.

Come to Brighton in the UK lad, it's a magical place.

[Anonymous No.11609932]

>>11603204
judging by their bet, they perform fecal analysis on each other regularly.

[Anonymous No.11609995]

>>11609932
based

[Anonymous No.11610552]

>>11608588
"only his morals would take a beating" nah if he doesn't consume dairy for a while, he will become less tolerant to it and if he eats dairy again, it will not be a fun time for his colon

[Anonymous No.11610963]

>>11610552
something tells me their colons are already a little worse for wear.

[Anonymous No.11611024]

>>11603192
eat and drink nothing but the body and blood of Christ for a year and become a prophet

[Anonymous No.11611078]

>>11609524
>>11609434
The point that all vegans agree upon is that its impossible to take part in modern society without the use of animal products, but that the goal of veganism is to reduce your use of them and the easiest way to start is food and clothing.

[Anonymous No.11612114]

Vegans #1

[Anonymous No.11612324]

>>11606984
>cherrypicking and cooked results

Every single time.

[Anonymous No.11612327]

I'm genuinely interested in some vegan meals. Only meats I eat are steak and chicken anyway so learning more variations of how to cook vegetables would be nice.

[Anonymous No.11612333]

>>11606984
hmm could those results be because the non-vegan groups include people who absolutely dont give a fuck about their health?

here's a good one: 99% elite athletes, olympic medal winners, longest living people, smartest people, best inventors, notable people in general are nonvegan lol rekt

[Anonymous No.11612347]

>>11612324
>cherry-picking
Not that guy but I could easily find 10 more studies that backed what he said. Why? Because they all back what he said, because it's not cherry-picking.

[Anonymous No.11612348]

>>11612333
What a retarded argument. Most people full stop aren't vegan, but those who are vegan are healthier.

[Anonymous No.11612401]

>>11612324
Yes, the scientists were told the outcome after using data, correlation, and faking their p value math by the biggest most powerful cucumber jew.
God I hate antiscience retards like you.

[Anonymous No.11612488]

I've been vegan for two years but want to stop because all the vegan youtubers look terrible, I want to be nice to animals but I don't want to break my bones and age prematurely

[Anonymous No.11612505]

>>11612488
None of those happen falsefaggo

[Anonymous No.11612506]

>>11606984
:egg:

[Anonymous No.11612529]

>>11606086
no, that's an old hypothesis.
the intestines metabolise vitamin K1 into K3, which gets transported to tissues, where it's converted to K2 MK-4.
only the conversion of K1 to the higher K2 MK's is done by gut bacteria, e.g. K2 MK-9.

[Anonymous No.11612539]

>>11612348
it's the other way around.
people who are more health conscious have a higher chance of trying out a vegan diet.
they were healthy before going vegan because they grew up eating animal food, and they're coasting off those built-up resources when they try veganism for a few months, or sometimes years.

[Anonymous No.11612568]

>>11612505
Most vegan youtubers are ageing prematurely, durianrider, the singing vegan, check out that sv3rige guy. Also the vegan runner suffered 3 fractures since going vegan, I've suffered 2

[Anonymous No.11612574]

>>11610552
That's just another reason to cheat then.

[Anonymous No.11612579]

>>11612568
Fake

[Anonymous No.11612594]

nobody cares about the suffering of plants, fruits, and vegetables and it breaks my heart

[Anonymous No.11612800]

>>11612401
My heart
Please tell me you know who this qt is

[Anonymous No.11612807]

>>11603192
Tissue Cultured (Processed) Chicken goes on sale within a few weeks. Congratulations on your easy $2500.
The company:
>https://www.justforall.com/en-us/stories/clean-meat
A youtube video to calm the idiot masses:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GgP6jo5DTM

[Anonymous No.11613257]

>>11612807
That's not vegan

[Anonymous No.11613978]

>>11612539
The science directly contradicts your exercise in making up reality as you go along.

[Anonymous No.11614069]

>>11603192
That's not worth 2500.

[Anonymous No.11614089]

>>11609273
>making the attempt
>attempt
wtf if I make the attempt to win a marathon, I'm already the winner
the attempt does not make you a vegan, it makes you a hypocrite

[Anonymous No.11614198]

You guys should really just consider the vegetarian master-race who buys eggs/cheese locally.

[Anonymous No.11614250]

>>11603192
you just pull in from stupid town

[Anonymous No.11614345]

>>11613978
you're too stupid to see that I'm not contradicting the scientific findings.
I'm merely explaining them.

[Anonymous No.11614377]

>>11614345
>"I explained the scientific findings."
No you didn't. You assumed that cohort studies are the only type of scientific research, then made up an ad-hoc explanation without any data backing you up. Get out.

[Anonymous No.11614385]

>>11614377
You assumed that epidemiological studies are the only type of scientific research, then made up causal links without any data backing you up. Get out.

[Anonymous No.11614820]

>>11606984
how about sum reality instead of toilet paper written by vegans

[Anonymous No.11615122]

>>11603192
If you buy anything with palmoil or something that has been shipped across the world, Commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.11615169]

How will you make sure he pays you and not just try to get out of it as a joke if you do manage to succeed?

[Anonymous No.11615182]

>>11615169
Or manage to trick/scumbag you into eating animal products by slipping butter or meat into stuff while you aren't looking if he gets desperate to not pay you?

[Anonymous No.11615282]

>>11603192
So, I went raw vegan for two months. Just to see if it was something I was capable of doing. For science. I actually enjoyed it. However, I've found that I absolutely NEED pizza and chicken wings and steak in my life. I like meat and when I was denying myself, I found that I just wanted it even more. This is something you need to consider before you begin.

My big thing is that I needed to feel full. It's just how I am. Smoothies are a great way to do this, as it's basically liquid salad. Make BIG batches of smoothies. Have variety.

I would also encourage you to go to a thrift store and buy yourself large wooden bowls. The kind you usually keep fruit in on your counter. A good knife and a few good cutting boards. Every morning while you're making your smoothie, load up these wooden bowls with tons and tons of your most favorite vegan things. Salads, chopped fruits, avocados, whatever. The idea is that you're constantly snacking on something and loading up your stomach with things that you absolutely love and can eat with pleasure. Don't force yourself to choke down kale or whatever you don't like. (Although baked garlic-kale chips are the shit.) This is supposed to be about pleasure and healthiness. This isn't a punishment. Take your "gnosh-bowl" with you to work/school/wherever and graze on it all day. Indulge in the things you like.

Nutrition will be important to pay attention to. Make sure that you look online for reputable vegan-related websites that can guide you through the things you'll need. (B12 and D vitamins, iodine, iron, etc...) You can do totally do this and you'll realize after a few weeks of doing this that you will feel different. You'll start to notice the garbage in people's shopping carts vs your healthy colorful cart. You'll probably even sneak a cheeseburger into your day somewhere and be horrified at how much salt and sugar is in processed foods and wonder how the fuck you ate this on a daily basis.

Good luck, OP!

[Anonymous No.11615361]

>>11615282
>This is supposed to be about pleasure and healthiness. This isn't a punishment. Take your "gnosh-bowl" with you to work/school/wherever and graze on it all day.
topkek

[Anonymous No.11615490]

>>11615361
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous No.11616797]

>>11614820
>Myriad rigorous scientific studies
or
>An anecdote

Which would you rather you had supporting your beliefs?

[Anonymous No.11616802]

Some good advice ITT, and only a small amount of buttblasted anti-vegan trolling. I'm proud of you /ck/

[Anonymous No.11617259]

>>11614820
Lol, rekt

[Anonymous No.11617306]

>>11616797
>rigorous scientific studies

Never worked in a lab, eh?

[Anonymous No.11617310]

ITT: carnies trying desperately to defend their barbaric diet

[Anonymous No.11617386]

>>11603192
That's a good idea if you want to look into nutrition and try lots of new foods. Just avoid buying processed crap and go very very easy on s o y products.

I once went vegan by accident for a month and since I didn't even notice at first, I continued to do so for 6 month. It was fun.
I also knew a girl that went about 95% vegetarian because she was too lazy too cook and got slightly anemic, so if you're used to eat a lot of meat, maybe ease into it.

>11606984
I bet studies about people that eat only few and high quality animal products would turn out the same. Going vegan people have to learn about food and cooking and can't eat most crap, or at least used to.
Since vegan shit food has increased just as it got trendy, I'm sure people that build their diet on 'vegan-[insert any meat product]' and vegans junk food will fuck up those statistics.
Also I'm surprised all those cronically ill people that go vegan to ease the symptoms aren't already affecting the statistics or did they actually rule them out?

[Anonymous No.11617448]

>>11610963
Kek

[Anonymous No.11617504]

>>11609273
Being vegan is making the attempt to full faggotry, simple as that.

[Anonymous No.11617529]

>>11617504
That's only because you are attempting to grasp at your masculinity by associating it with your diet. By doing so you come off as weak, and women internally laugh at you if you imply this outside of a meatjew debugging forum.

[Anonymous No.11617842]

>>11603192
your friend is fuckin dumb. Like you cant cheat...he cant watch you every second of the day. Id never agree to this, anyone would just cheat and claimed to have been vegan.

Plant based eater here. Its cheap and easy. I might be at a bit of an advantage due to being a natural in the kitchen but still I didnt have a hard time.

I make 2-3 cups rice at a time and maybe a pound of beans in the pressure cooker. Put them in fridge so I can pull them out to make burritos whenever I want. I always have mad tortillas on hand. I make different sauces for them, chipotle mayo, etc sometimes I buy the sauce if Im being lazy but its expensive. I keep avocado, tomato, romaine, onion and jalapeno on hand for toppings.

One thing youll struggle with is making shit taste good only using plant based ingredients. Indian and mediterranean cuisine have been doing it for years though so start there.

Cookbooks you will NEED to survive this year
Oh She Glows
Forks over Knives
Super Easy Vegan Slow Cooker
Minimalist Bakers every day (available online)

You will also need: Slow Cooker, Pressure Cooker, Rice Cooker, and Id recommend a chopper. You will need to cook for yourself a lot, way more than youre used too. So any little utensil that makes it easier will be worth it, especially when it comes to chopping fresh herbs which is annoying, but essential for good vegan food.

Anyways Im at your disposal for a few... Still think your friend is fucking dumb. How can he track you.

[Anonymous No.11617849]

>>11615282
You dont NEED pizza, youre addicted to it bud.

http://www.projectcasting.com/news/study-pizza-is-more-addictive-than-cocaine/

[Anonymous No.11617853]

>>11603192
You're gonna spend way more than $2500 extra on food for the year after switching to vegan. This is a negative sum game. You cannot win.

[Anonymous No.11617858]

>>11614820
>One dumb bitch died
>All vegans are weak

https://www.frankmedrano.com/

Nah son, Frank Medrano would whip your pansy ass, and hes vegan. So would every single one of these MMA fighters. http://www.fuelforthefighter.com/the-fighter/

[Anonymous No.11617868]

>>11617853
I buy dry beans in bulk, 15 lb bags for 10.99. My rice is 19.99 for for 5 lbs. Lasts me 2-3 months; if I want to save money I can go poverty mode and eat only bean and rice burritos, and the only other expense is tortillas which are also cheap as fuck.

Vegan is extremely cheap lol.

[Anonymous No.11618681]

>>11606984
>Vegans had 13% higher testosterone (T) concentration
than meat-eaters (P = 0.0001) and 8% higher than vegetarians (P =
0.001)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
Makes you think

[Anonymous No.11618691]

>>11606984
>Vegans had 13% higher testosterone (T) concentration than meat-eaters (P = 0.0001) and 8% higher than vegetarians (P = 0.001)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
makes you think

[Anonymous No.11619057]

>>11617868
This. I'm not a vegan, but buying bulk grains, pastas, beans, mushrooms, fruits and vegetables is cheap af. It's the meat that causes the big dent in the food budget. But yeah, I'm not buying factory farmed subsidized tortued animal flesh either, it's humanely raised.

[Anonymous No.11619214]

>>11617858
>roidbois

[Anonymous No.11619403]

I have no issues with vegans, but this is straight up cult style recruitment tactics.

You guy are good, but it is dirty, you only pick the facts that support you, ignore the ones which don't.

Vegan is not the cheapest way to go, I spend about $20 a year on food, eat meat, bet my life style is far more green than yours in every way.

If you actually believed half the stuff you preach you would be eating bugs and insects, plain and simple, but most of it is just a line to convert people, you do not give truth, why not? That is the big question, but I do not see you answering it honestly even in an anonymous forum.

[Anonymous No.11619661]

>>11619403
It's a multi-billion dollar industry of psychopaths vs a bunch of people who think unecessery cruelty shouldn't be part of a self-aware society. Make the connection. Why did you assume less intelligent beings would suffer less? What if it were mentally handicapped human livestock? When does it start to be ethically acceptable to slaughter and torture billions of animals everyday?
Personally going vegan cured most of my digestive issues and once your taste buds adapt you don't want to eat dead corpses anymore. There are no reason to eat meat other than social pressure.

[Anonymous No.11619821]

>>11619661
Most of the arguments made here have nothing to do with cruelty to animals, many are outright bullshit.

>Why did you assume less intelligent beings would suffer less?
Show me where I said or implied that. More bullshit.

>There are no reason to eat meat other than social pressure.
Or not to be a part of the commercial food chain. Simple fact, it is a shitload of work to grow all your own food and in a sizeable portion of the world it is not really viable, you need to mix in meat and dairy, rely on commercial food chain, or die

You can not even form a cogent argument because there is no room for you to be wrong, there is nothing but your ideology, just regurgitated propaganda from a soapbox without considering the things said by others.

Are you also going to tell me that I will burn in hell for eating the flesh of gods creatures? That is the level of argument you are making.

[Anonymous No.11619857]

>>11603192
was vegan for 3 years. stopped for no particular reason. i missed milk and cheese i guess. vegetarian now. I ate a lot of sandwiches, peanut butter, cereal and beans. so much more bread than i eat now. i didn't get malnourished, i lost about 10 lbs and stayed like that the whole time. my hair didn't get thin or anything. yes ofc i supplemented b12. the worst part about being vegan was all the fucking questions people ask you on a daily basis. i never once brought it up. my 'friends' would just announce it out of fucking nowhere. cunts.

[Anonymous No.11619915]

>>11614820
Wim Hof almost climbed everest in shorts and sandals and had to stop at 24,500ft because of a foot injury and he eats vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.11620292]

>>11619915
he's extremely adapted to cold due to his insane exercises.

[Anonymous No.11620417]

>>11612324
Much like the meat, dairy, and egg industries who conduct deliberately flawed 'experiments' to "prove" how healthy their products are?

[Anonymous No.11620420]

>>11612568
Sewrige was a raw vegan loony like all those people in his compilation videos. Normal veganism is perfectly healthy; raw veganism is very difficult and most fail.

[Anonymous No.11620430]

>>11619057
>it's humanely raised.
Is it humanely slaughtered too?

[Anonymous No.11620471]

>>11620417
they're undeniably healthy as long as you don't combine them with carbs

[Anonymous No.11620778]

>>11603192
Dont eat tofu. dont eat soy products at all.

I was vegan for a while. But damn veganism is pretty tough. Look into Quorn, its a brand of meatless protein made of mushrooms. High quality. I strongly suggest eating a lot of fruits and fibrous veggies. kidney beans and rice are a good source of protein and carbs. Ive got a good recipe if you want.

You'll want to take multivitamins too however, most of the nutrients you get in a multivitamin you can get out of some activated almonds, no meme. Almonds vitamin and mineral content is pretty damn solid.

coconut milk is a great alternative to cow milk.

As an ex vegan i can say, plan on having a high budget for food and plan to lose weight, but if you do it right you will maintain a healthy weight for your build. No joke you'll be in the best shape of your life. Oh and always supplement with B-12 vitamins, liquid is preferable.

Good luck OP. Ask me anything, ive got advice out the ass.

[Anonymous No.11621324]

>>11620778
I thought fermented soy products were ok to eat?

[Anonymous No.11621331]

>>11620778
I love Quorn but I've never seen it sold outside the UK, also most Quorn isn't vegan, iirc the use egg or something in a lot of it

[Anonymous No.11621330]

>>11606984
Holy shit, shut the fuck up veganigger. This isn't plebbit.

[Anonymous No.11621333]

>>11608061
Wrong, cuck.

[Anonymous No.11621335]

>>11608305
Shut up, veganigger. You are the least fact friendly group out there.

[Anonymous No.11621340]

>>11609545
Veganiggers. shmtbqhfampidesu.

[Anonymous No.11621342]

>>11621324
Soyboy.

[Anonymous No.11621346]

>>11621342
Epic

[Anonymous No.11621400]

>>11607745
I think you're going to die alone and probably regret it, man.

[Anonymous No.11621446]

>>11603192
aside from the part where it doesn't seem feasible to monitor whether or not you have eaten vegan all the time look into as many vegan food substitutes as possible. it will make things some what easier to know shit like cheese and milk have vegan friendly options.

the only ones i can list off hand right now are: yogurt, milk, mayo, butter, chocolate, ice cream, cheese, heck even vegan ground beef

another thing is look into asian food. japanese and korean food have a lot of vegan friendly options

[Anonymous No.11621447]

If you're going vegan learn how to make some good roasted veggies.

Coat veggies (root ones work great, as do brussles sprouts) in olive oil. Mushrooms too.

Sweat an onion or shallot in cast iron, add garlic and season. add a pepper if that's your thing.

Add veggies and roast anywhere from 400 to 480F for 20-40 minutes. It's ok to overcook veggies for the most part, they just get more caramelized and delicious. Add kraut or anything fermented or an egg and eat.

A great variation is to finish it as a soup. 1/4 cup raw cashews per serving, soak them in boiling water for ~10m and blend with enough water to get them liquid. Add the cashew liquid on top of the cooked veggies and season with a bunch of pepper and a little nutmeg. It's the best soup you'll ever have. More of a roasted veggie stew really.

[Anonymous No.11621599]

>>11621335
All of the scientific studies in this thread have been posted by vegans.

Why do you think this is.

[Anonymous No.11621607]

>>11620471
Yep, and their 'studies' "prove" it...

[Anonymous No.11621634]

>another thread where vegans argue their position strongly and meat-eaters look borderline clinically retarded

Look. The facts are these. Vegans are right, but most of us couldn't care less. It's also morally right to avoid environmentally-unfriendly products, and stop using air travel, and spend your weekends working for homeless charities...

But none of us will do that, because we just couldn't care. It's effort. I'm never going to be vegan, many of you won't ever be either.

But then when faced with your own moral laziness your ego can't handle it so you begin making excuses and buying into falsehoods and, all in all, looking dumb as shit in vegan threads. Stop being so retarded and face facts.

[Anonymous No.11621662]

>>11621634
but vegans aren't right killing animals for food isn't morally wrong in anyway

[Anonymous No.11621665]

>>11621634
/thread

[Anonymous No.11621680]

>>11621662
Says whom?

[Anonymous No.11621685]

>>11621599
Because there is an agenda and subculture associated with the behavior. "Carnists" are just living our lives.

[Anonymous No.11621687]

>>11621680
God if you're christian or apart of tons of other popular religions

[Anonymous No.11621691]

>>11621687
As a Christian, I partially agree with this. But what about those who do not follow a religion?

[Anonymous No.11621701]

>>11621691
that's depends on their ideology beliefs and other shit

[Anonymous No.11621709]

>>11621634
Your retarded dreamland scenario is entirely text based did you notice? None of this has any basis on practical reality. The fact of the matter is that a vegan diet is extremely comlicated and difficult, nobody here can do it properly and those who praise its effects are malnourished fuckwads that have been on the feel good meme diet for a few months.
Veganism sound nice in theory but almost never works in practice.

[Anonymous No.11621714]

>>11621709
don't forget vegans need to take pills and other shit just to stay healthy

[Anonymous No.11621718]

>>11621701
What would give if objectivity though? If it just boils down to a matter of opinion and subjectivity, then its a position built on sand, so to speak.

[Anonymous No.11621721]

>>11621709
I've been vegan for 7 years. Doing fine. Also pic is Seba Johnson, olympic athlete who has been vegan her entire life (44 years)

[Anonymous No.11621723]

>>11621714
If a vegan diet is programmed well, no supplements are necessary. Fortified foods are good for this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.11621728]

>>11621721
Wow. seven years? That's almost a full decade! Your microdepridations would definitely have made themselves evident by now! It's not like you would have to wait until old age or anything for malnutrition to fully manifest itself.

[Anonymous No.11621731]

>>11621721
It’s funny that you didn’t post your own photo, but I guess a single anecdote proves my entire point wrong forever.
Anyway, how are your shits?

[Anonymous No.11621733]

>>11621714
You would need to take a lethal dose of cholesterol everyday to get your B12 from animal products..

[Anonymous No.11621734]

>>11621723
You know fucking nothing at all..

[Anonymous No.11621737]

>>11621721
that girl was a olympic skier that never won anything that quit in 1992

[Anonymous No.11621739]

>>11621728
>"vegans are malnourished!"
>all the tests show vegans are healthier than non-vegans
>"B-but it will suddenly reverse later!"

fail

[Anonymous No.11621740]

>>11621634
Only sensible post in the thread

[Anonymous No.11621742]

>>11621634
Every argument I made was answered with boiler plate, completely ignoring everything I said, not a single thing I have said in this thread has been directly addressed.

It is just a vegan circle jerk in here.

By the way, I do care, I avoid the commercial food chain, do not fly, do not even drive, and I help my fellow creatures when ever possible. Perhaps this is why I have no moral issues with eating meat.

It is not hard to care.

[Anonymous No.11621746]

>>11621739
most people go vegan because of their health and weight unlike omnivores who normally don't care about that shit unless it's getting bad
>>11621740
not at all

[Anonymous No.11621749]

>>11621742
do you think animal suffering should be avoided where possible?

[Anonymous No.11621758]

>>11621746
Your claim:
>most people go vegan because of their health and weight
Rating:
>false
The facts:
>most people go vegan for ethical reasons
Source:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666315000732

leave.

[Anonymous No.11621762]

>>11606984
Science-based and greenpilled

[Anonymous No.11621795]

>>11621734
Great evidence and argumentation there, friend...

[Anonymous No.11621806]

>>11621749
Suffering is part of life. "Avoided where possible" are rather up for interpretation, you left it vague so you could find a foot hold regardless of my response.

I can be fairly confident that most any deer I shoot suffers less than it would if I did not shoot it. In these parts most any deer is going to be eventually eaten by wolves, tend to get eaten the second they get injured or to old to escape. You ever hear a wolf pack tear apart of deer? They do not kill it first, they just dig in, a deer screaming in pain as it gets eaten alive, not a fun sound.

[Anonymous No.11621814]

>>11621806
>I go out and kill all my own meat
Why would someone come on /ck/ and lie? This is supposed to be a positive, honest board.

[Anonymous No.11621815]

>>11621806
t. future murderer

[Anonymous No.11621823]

>>11621806
KEK this cringe

[Anonymous No.11621826]

>>11613257
Sure it is. The chicken is still walking around, and the sampling process is less invasive than many veterinary procedures.
The chicken receives shelter, regular and healthy food, and veterinary care in exchange for a part of itself it would have discarded anyway.

[Anonymous No.11621836]

>>11621814
>>11621815
So this is an example of the great arguments made by the vegans in this thread?

And no I do not go out an kill all my own meat, I take one dear a year, trade for some chickens/rabbits/ducks sometimes.

[Anonymous No.11621946]

>>11621836
oh man please keep going. I hear there's a wealthy merchant in the town over who will pay handsomely for your talents.

[Anonymous No.11621983]

>>11621946
Pathetic, you can not address my points so you resort to personal attacks.

Oh well.

[Anonymous No.11621987]

>>11621946

[Anonymous No.11622079]

>>11621737
did you attend the olympic games?

[Anonymous No.11622111]

>>11621983

[Anonymous No.11622544]

>>11614089
If a vegan eats some vegetable soup and later finds out the broth somehow included animal products they're still vegan. If they use a device that uses plastic derived from animal products they're still vegan. Its literally impossible to live in modern society without using animal products in one way or another.

[Anonymous No.11622650]

>>11621331
yeah, i forgot about the egg. I had thought of it last night before i fell asleep.

[Anonymous No.11622972]

>>11622079
no the stuff she did isn't really impressive especially for a more skill based sport

[Anonymous No.11622987]

>>11621687
I doubt God would endorse industrial scale animal torture and slaughter

[Anonymous No.11622990]

>>11622972
>t. 400 lbs softboi

[Anonymous No.11623024]

>>11622987
Bible god is a massive cunt, petty and egoistic.

[Anonymous No.11623048]

>>11622987
I never said super big mega corporation farms we're good and okay but god does support the eating of meat you retard

[Anonymous No.11623219]

>>11623024
Old testament maybe, new testament god is a cool guy
>>11623048
https://www.peta.org/living/food/vegan-bible-quotes/

[Anonymous No.11623312]

>>11623219
Romans 14:1-23
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Romans 14:2
One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.
Romans 14:3
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

[Anonymous No.11623313]

>>11617858
Based
>>11619214
Virgin cope

[Anonymous No.11623315]

>>11621333
>purines
Ah, the good ol' "nuh uh" rhetorical strategy.

[Anonymous No.11623316]

>>11623312
>Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.

[Anonymous No.11623317]

>>11621836
>t.

[Anonymous No.11623319]

>>11623316
Animals can't be compared to humans

[Anonymous No.11623324]

>>11623319
>animals can't be compared to one of the kinds of animals
>every moving thing that lives excludes a certain living thing that moves, even though it's supposed to be "every"

[Anonymous No.11623326]

>>11621685

[Anonymous No.11623337]

>>11623312
May is not should.

[Anonymous No.11623363]

so that proves it the Bible supports the eating of meat

[Anonymous No.11623377]

>>11623363
Including human meat

[Anonymous No.11623382]

>>11623377
nope human meat is unclean and you aren't supposed to kill your fellow man or defile their bodies
stuff like that is always said in the bible beginning to end

[Anonymous No.11623388]

>>11623382
>don't eat anything
>eat every thing
>this means that you should eat only things I eat
Bible sure allows eating cherries

[Anonymous No.11623648]

>>11603192
>spend more than $2500 buying all the stupid food
>feel like shit all year
>friend probably doesnt even pay you anyway
Yeah sounds like a good idea

[Anonymous No.11623652]

>>11603409
only to have them break in 2 weeks

[Anonymous No.11623878]

>>11623312
Who cares about the man-made social virus that is religion.

[Anonymous No.11623903]

>>11603192
Get a cronometer account. Everyone should get one, but vegans especially. Also, better start liking lentils, because they will become a staple.

I went vegan a few months ago mainly because it is cheaper and there were a few growing pains, but it is pretty easy now. Quorn makes a vegan nugget that tastes very similar to McNuggets, which is a guilty pleasure.

It becomes fun though. It's like relearning how to cook. Learning how to flavor wheat gluten and textured vegetable protein to taste similar to meat is interesting and pretty fun. You get to see the components that make up meat flavors. I thought it was interesting.

Biggest advice I can give is do not go in expecting vegan mock meats to taste or feel like meat. I think a lot of people get discouraged when they taste a mock meat and it tastes nothing like meat. I like mock meats because I like the taste of mock meat. It is not going to taste much like real meat.

[Anonymous No.11623922]

>>11606969
Except we get atherosclerosis from eating meat. So, you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.11623938]

>>11621826
No, it isn't. Wool isn't vegan either despite the sheep still walking around. You can't just change definitions because you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.11623968]

>>11623878
if that's how it is who cares about your shitty man made morality