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>kitchen doesn't accept substitutions
This is how you know they have confidence in their menu. Only shitty places that know they're serving bland food will allow substitutions because they know they have to make up for their shit recipes.

>> No.11558504

>no substitutions

What if I want my burger without onions or tomato is that ok?

>> No.11558510

>>11558504
t. babby palate

>> No.11558520

What if I want the waitress to slap me

>> No.11558525

>grandpa on a restricted diet because of health
>go to a restaurant
>order a meal but ask for them to not add salt, and no sauce because he can't have them
>oh I don't know if we can do that, let me ask
>the chef refuses the accommodation
>tell him its for health reasons
>ok let me talk to him
>he said he will just add a little bit of salt but he wont leave off the sauce
>no, he can't have it
>ok let me go talk to him again
>alright he said he will not add salt, but hes sending the sauce on the side
NOBODY IS GOING TO EAT YOUR FUCKING SAUCE

and that's how you lose customers, so not only will we not go there again, but we will shit talk the place every time its relevant and word of mouth will spread

>> No.11558537

>>11558525
sounds like your grandpa needs to be put out to pasture 2bh

>> No.11558546

>>11558525
What kind of sauce was it? I would have probably eaten it.

>> No.11558550

>>11558504
They come out of the freezer like that already

>> No.11558561

>>11558520
Honestly if the waitress won't slap me and call me a dirty piggy and spit in my food then I am not going back.

>> No.11558584

>>11558525
Why take someone on a restricted diet to a restaurant? That's stupid. Either give grandpa a break for one meal and let him have something with flavor or just keep him in the environment where his restricted diet can be maintained.

>> No.11558591

>>11558525
>everyone should accomodate to a defective old coot

>> No.11558594

>>11558525
And that's why we have LCD food service here in 'murrica. That fag grandpa should have been euthanized for the benefit of society.

>> No.11558600

>>11558537
its his doctors fault, he had a kidney disease that destroyed them which the doctor saw the early warning signs of but didn't tell him because he "didn't think it would be a big deal"
the very same doctor put him on diabetes medication and while he was driving his sugar crashed and he passed out, it caused a big accident and a few people had to go to the hospital
when he got examined at the hospital by the doctors there they determined he didn't even have diabetes to begin with
>>11558546
some kind of a tomato cream sauce, he couldn't eat tomatoes because of potassium
when the kidneys go you need to keep your electrolytes carefully balanced

its a very simple request, just don't put the fucking sauce on the plate

>> No.11558604

>>11558584
Because resraurants usually do accomodations you imbecile

>> No.11558606

>>11558504
That's not a substitution. I substitution would be if you asked for mashed potatoes on the side instead of fries

>> No.11558608

>>11558604
>usually means always
you may have inherited your grandpa's retarded genes

>> No.11558616

>>11558608
I think you're looking for 4chan.org
you're on 4channel right now, we aren't cunts for no reason here

>> No.11558618

>>11558608
*puts you in a chokehold*
not so smart now are we?
*watches you try to gasp out a witty retort*
*constricts harder*

>> No.11558621

>>11558604
My girlfriend's father has similar dietary restrictions for similar reasons. Never had a problem having a restaurant accommodate it. Fuck that restaurant.

>> No.11558635

>>11558616
oh whoops I thought this was ebaumsworld

>>11558618
*penis hardens*

>> No.11558716

>>11558600
When the kidneys go you shouldn't be eating restaurant food.

>> No.11558733

>>11558494
Yeah, that's a premade defrosted meal you just enthusiastically consumed there.

>> No.11558752

>>11558616
Yes we are you nigger

>> No.11558753

>>11558733
wrong.

>> No.11558774

>>11558752
>he thinks gookmoot split the boards so people would be nicer

>> No.11558779

>>11558774
Aren't we onto slavmoot now or did that not happen?

>> No.11558780

>>11558774
huh?

>> No.11558794

>>11558779
That was fake

>> No.11558825

>>11558494
Is it ever acceptable to take substitutions? I think it is, but you have to charge something like a few minutes of the head chef's salary for it. You don't cook for charity, and every minute of a kitchens time and every ingredient should be accounted for and ultimately up for a price

>> No.11558869

>>11558825
If the restaraunt you cook for forces you to honor even one request for a substitution, just walk out right there. They're clearly not serious about the art of cooking, and they're probably a shady money-laundering operation masquerading as a restaurant.

>> No.11558897

>>11558869
Where do I walk out to? Also, where have you worked? I hope you're not just a promoted line cook who hates when the owners friend shows up for a substitution, and I hope you undestand /biz/!

>> No.11558927

>>11558869
It's called the service industry for a reason anon. You are there to serve your guests. Including substitutions.

>> No.11558933

>>11558897
>>11558927
plebs of the lowest order. i wouldn't allow you within 100 feet of my kitchen.

>> No.11558941

>>11558933
And I wouldn't eat your meme food with goat cheese.

>> No.11558955

>>11558941
Goat cheese? Pittuh. I spit on your goat cheese. Goat cheese is one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American culinary world.

>> No.11558957

>>11558933
You don't have a kitchen, you work someone elses>>11558933

>> No.11558962

>>11558955
good, then substitute blue cheese on to everything you make that involves cheese. I'm the one paying the bill after all.

>> No.11558966

>>11558962
That'll be an upcharge

>> No.11558967

>>11558957
Oh believe me. I OWN my kitchen. I own it by loving what I do, and taking pride in my creations. You're probably a ramen eating pleb who doesn't know gruyere from hollandaise.
>>11558962
>blue cheese
Post hidden. IP blocked.

>> No.11558969

>>11558966
I expect that when I ask for substitutions
>>11558967
So you don't actually own your kitchen then, do you?
Blue Cheese is GOAT

>> No.11558970

>>11558967
As in, you have restaurant?

>> No.11558972
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11558972

>not liking goat cheese
>not liking blue cheese

>> No.11558976

>>11558970
Da, comrade. I have restaurant.

>> No.11558977

>>11558972
I like butt cheese

>> No.11558980

>>11558976
>I own it by loving what I do, and taking pride in my creations.
Do you own it by giving money to a landlord, mortgage company or previous owner?

>> No.11558981

Cool, show me your menu and tell me your income

>> No.11558989

>>11558494
being unable to modify a recipe on the fly if needed is a sign of a shitty chef who only knows how to cook from a list of instructions
refusing to give substitutions is a massive red flag that a restaurant is trash and probably has Chef Mike as head of the kitchen

>> No.11558990

>>11558927
>You are there to serve your guests. Including substitutions.
This is true, but it only goes so far. If you're cooking at a place where each dish is painstakingly worked out by the chef substitutions force you to serve a version of the dish that isn't what the chef wanted to serve. You're being forced to put less than your best foot forward. You can choose to do that for the sake of being accommodating, but how far a place is willing to go along those lines definitely varies among establishments. If the place is busy it might not be worth fucking up the rhythm on the line to accommodate one or two pickypants or special needs customers. Each place makes that calculation for themselves.

And if it's a shithole just microwaving frozen SYSCO premade shit they really can't do much in the way of accommodation anyways.

>> No.11558992

>>11558980
Do you understand how property ownership works?
>>11558981
You are not deserving. My genius is unmatched in the culinary world. To your simple, uncultured eyes it would be like reading a lovecraftian tome.

>> No.11559003

>>11558616
Yes we are kike. Go back to redddit.

>> No.11559009

>>11558990
I agree with this. I suppose in my mind it's substituting one or two ingredients or removing one or two. Like no sauce, cheddar instead of american, etc.
>>11558992
Yes, you pay money, get a deed or lease, and then it is YOUR place. Is that what you meant? If you don't do that then you can be asked to leave at any moment by the person who actually owns the kitchen.

>> No.11559010

For a "nice" restaurant the menu should have no more than 4 items in each catagory (apps, soup, entree, etc.)

>> No.11559011

>>11558990
SYSCO is better than a lot of small-time diva-chef (i.e. 15 year long career kitchen boy) bullshit

>> No.11559015

>>11559011
It's consistent, which is much more important than making the best dish that ever existed the same night as you make half raw slop.

>> No.11559019

>>11559009
It's a good thing I actually own my kitchen then. Why are you under the assumption that I'm poor? I make more in a day than you make in 2 days.

>> No.11559023

>>11559019
Well you posted
>I own it by loving what I do, and taking pride in my creations.
Which seemed like an end run around explaining that you don't actually own it. What type of cuisine, interesting dishes?

>> No.11559024

>>11558992
Cool, glad to know I was absolutely right about you!

>> No.11559026

>>11558897
>Where do I walk out to?

The next restaurant over. It is incredibly easy to get a job. I am just a random nobody linecook but I wear my chef jacket home from work and I have been offered jobs if I stop in at places.

>> No.11559028

>>11559019
I assume you're saying you make 2x the amount of a standard kitchen hand?

>> No.11559030

>>11559019
>>11559028
Is this the part when a 4chan thread devolves in to who makes more imaginary money at their imaginary job?

>> No.11559035

>>11559023
Food beyond your wildest dreams or aspirations. If a yokel like you took one bite, you would have an out of body experience. It would be like that scene in the seminal children's classic, Ratatouille.
>>11559024
You know nothing, which is as much as your opinions are worth.
>>11559028
At the least. But I am no mere kitchen hand. I am far beyond such a petty station. I am a maverick of the culinary world. An artisan. Simply put, I know food.

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11559040

>>11559035
So imaginary kitchen. Neat. You could have said italian or something and kept the larp going.

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>>11558494
it's pure unrestrained autism to not be flexible. You have tomatoes, you have mushrooms, give me tomatoes, i don't want mushrooms.

>> No.11559052

>>11558989
Disagreeing with standards and expectations isn't the same as being unable to adapt. Cooking isn't entirely subjective. There are some objectively wrong substitutions that remove the point of the dish or inhibit its flavor.

>> No.11559055

>>11559035
Please tell me your rhetoric isn't this gay irl.

>> No.11559058

>>11559011
>SYSCO is better than a lot of small-time diva-chef
No doubt. But I don't want to pay to eat that shit. Nor do I want to eat with the kind of people who do.

>> No.11559060

>>11558546
donkey sauce most likely

>> No.11559064

>>11559030
I dont even know who Im talking to anymore

Anyone who doesnt make substitutions owns their own restaurant or makes more than the owner, that's my point.

>> No.11559067

>>11559040
>>11559055
Go back to cleaning the fryers at McDonalds. Both of you.

>> No.11559070

>>11559058
How much do you pay for a plate when you eat out?

>> No.11559073

>>11559064
That reaches a level of fine dining far beyond anything I'm willing to pay for I suppose.
>truffle oil gold leaf etc...
>>11559067
I work at Wendy's thank you very much. Also I have a 9" penis and am gay if that matters.

>> No.11559082
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11559082

>>11559046
>that hard Sunday omelette ban
I desperately want to know

>> No.11559087

>>11559015
This is probably the biggest truth im tjis entire thread

>> No.11559118

>>11558525
>>11558600
The point of a restaurant having a composed dish is so that everything works in tandem, you absolute fucking cumstain
Chef probably knew it would taste like shit if you ordered the dish all fucked up, or maybe the prep for that dish was done with the sauce included, so making an exception might have been a pretty big deal.
You should have been a normal, considerate human being and taken take your grandpa to somewhere he can eat the things they sell, or if you need to "have it your way" I'm sure you know the directions to the nearest Burger King.

>> No.11559119

>>11558616
Shut the fuck up, you stupid faggot.

>> No.11559147

>>11559118
You don't think "Chef" bends over backwards to make things gluten-free or whatever the current allergy trend happens to be?

>> No.11559190

>>11559070
What kind of question is that? I eat at lots of different places, some where a plate is a meal, others where many plates make up a meal. Some are expensive, but most aren't because I'm not a rich man. Even so I expect the kitchen to actually be preparing and cooking the food I eat, not just heating it up. Fortunately I live in a place with a lot of options, so I don't have to settle very often, even if I'm not feeling spendy.

>> No.11559262

>>11558494
>being so insecure that you won't allow substitutions
>not being good enough at what you do that people would be willing to eat whatever you give because they know it will be good even if they dont usually like it
>topping it all off with some cracker barrel flyover tier pun

Y i k e s

>> No.11559271

>>11559262
>anon has a mental breakdown and goes into a series of mental gymnastics to justify substituting the alfredo sauce in his fettucine for pure mayonnaise
yikes

>> No.11559283

>>11559271
It's called free range chicken egg aioli with a Parmesan reduction in a locally sourced olive oil pomade anon.

>> No.11559346

>>11559082
Good way to lose business

>> No.11559513

>>11559082
Probably the good omelette guy doesnt work that day and it is too busy for the other pleb to make omelettes. Frankly I love making omelettes and wish that is all people would order.

>> No.11559551

>>11558972
this, fuck people who eat ranch

>> No.11559561

>>11559551
My local pizza place only charges for Ranch when it comes for sauces. They have a sign that basically says it's because Ranch is disgusting.

>> No.11559583

>>11558584
>Why take someone on a restricted diet to a restaurant?
When you're a little older you'll realize having medical problems of some sort affecting what you can eat is pretty common and if everyone with a dietary restriction stopped using restaurants it would kill the industry faster than Amazon is killing retail stores.
>>11558510
Doesn't have to be about taste. Onions and tomato can fuck you up if you have intestinal problems. They're high residue and both have caused documented cases of intestinal blockage (phytobezoar).

>> No.11559587

>>11559583
Protip: if eating a few slices of veggie is enough to cause you physical harm you shouldn't be alive.

>> No.11559592

>>11559587
It's honestly true. Some people can't tolerate certain vegetables or spices because of old age diseases or ailments. Sorry anon, you'll statistically get to experience one of these problems someday first hand.

>> No.11559603

>>11559583
>if everyone with a dietary restriction stopped using restaurants it would kill the industry faster than Amazon is killing retail stores.

No. It might cull some of the weaker places and the prices would go up since there is less competition but the good restaurants would survive and the shit ones would shut down. Restaurant industry will never die as it is something people will always be willing to pay for.

>> No.11559612

>>11559583
>When you're a little older you'll realize
I'm 50. I know what stupid old people diets get like, and I know how stupid it is to expect restaurants to accommodate them.

>> No.11559924

>>11559612
>I'm 50.
fuck off boomer

>> No.11559948

>>11559924
go back to 4chan you edgy twat of a kid.

>> No.11561493

>>11558933
If we've got it we'll cook it!

>> No.11561515

>>11559924
>born in 1968
>boomer
Retard.

>> No.11561852

>>11558525

why the fuck is grandpa eating out if he has such strict dietary restrictions

>> No.11561870

>>11559118
I know how to get to burger king, but do you know how to get to the welfare office? because that's where you're headed if you don't accommodate simple requests your customers make

>> No.11561948

>>11559067
>implying McDonald’s cleans their friers

>> No.11561959

>>11559346
If I saw my name on that board, I would take a photo and post back on their social media that I left $40 on my table...

>> No.11561995

>>11559082
>pay my bill
>need to give you more money than the agreed upon amount just becuase

>> No.11563103

>>11558525
>and that's how you lose customers
why would they want your type as customers
next thing they know you and everyone in your party comes in with other guests that think it's ok to act like your the chef. this aint Burger King

>> No.11563121

>>11561870
>trying to big time someone because you go out to eat sometimes
these are the pathetic fags who get off on making a bunch of special requests instead of simply ordering something that fits their dietary restriction

>> No.11563249

>>11558494
It says that they don't have confidence in their cook's ability to not fuck up when they go off script.

>> No.11563299

>>11563249
>off script
what kind of pretentious bullshit is this

>> No.11563323

>>11563299
Ah, let me translate to NPC. THEY NO KNOW HOW TO COOK GOOD WITHOUT INSTRUCTIONS.

>> No.11563329

>>11563103
Not a chef so my experience is a bit tangent, but at my butcher shop I actively encourage annoying customers who want complicated, time consuming shit done to their cheap cuts to go down the street, I'm more than happy for them to waste my competitors' precious time instead of mine.

>> No.11563337

>>11563249
there was this spot that I worked and they would let the customers order old features that we did.
It pissed me off so much, because I don't have the stuff at the ready in my station. so now I have to have 3 pans going just for one dish, one pan for the bacon(didn't need to prep this today or so I thought), another for for the cheese sauce, and another for the blackened chicken. oh yeah I have a few other dishes I'm making too.
bacon got a little burned, maybe next time they will order from the menu or today's feature menu next time
fucking retarded restaurant to afraid to tell the guest NO. it was run by females (two of which tried to get with me at two previous restaurants) of course they canned me first chance they got

>> No.11563351

>>11563329
>to go down the street, I'm more than happy for them to waste my competitors' precious time
I'd pay to see their reactions, kudos to you butch

>> No.11563379

>>11561995
>they paid for their drink but they didn't pay me for opening the bottle???
>i had to mix TWO things together????

>> No.11563421

>>11563323
>fotm meme from last month to cover your dumb bullshit
classic

>> No.11563470

>>11563421
My dumb bullshit? You're the one getting bootyblasted because knowing how scripts work is to highbrow for you.

>> No.11563495

>>11559040
I get it man, it's a really good .gif, but if you keep posting it in situations where it doesn't apply, it'll lose all impact.