Umami

[Anonymous No.11538305]

Is it real or just another nip meme?

[Anonymous No.11538332]

Just a meme

[Anonymous No.11538343]

Real as fuck

[Anonymous No.11538344]

>>11538305
People who use the term umami in an unironic fashion fell for the meme. I'm sorry but you're all btfo.

[Anonymous No.11538350]

>>11538305
"Savory" is the word for it. Calling it "umami" is a meme. Please don't ever say "umami" in real life, it's embarrassing for everyone around you.

[Anonymous No.11538356]

>>11538305
Makes you say oooh mommy

[Anonymous No.11538381]

>>11538305
what the fuck, I get banned for saying the other N word, but the mods are fine with this?

[Anonymous No.11538386]

>>11538305
umami is the japanese term for what we would call savory, but then you got dumb weebs and trendsters using it for literally anything

[Anonymous No.11538390]

We already had a word for it: savory.

>>11538381
They don't ban for that word unless you were trying too hard to be an edgy racist .

[Anonymous No.11538394]

>>11538390
>trying too hard to be an edgy racist .
so exactly like OP?

[Anonymous No.11538400]

>>11538305
It's like how faggots call chili sauce sriracha

[Anonymous No.11538410]

>>11538381
We're proud to be racists here, sweaty. It makes us feel awesome inside. This isn't your wholesome plebbit hugbox, we're a bunch of angry losers who need to lash out at others to make ourselves feel better about our lot in life

[Anonymous No.11538414]

>>11538305
>nip meme?
Nip vocabulary is overhyped by weebshitters and other faggots, by saying shit like "oh, there's no equivalent word in English because muh moon runes are so complex and 2deep4u". As a result, "umami" also got overhyped, and now we have hipster faggots saying shit like "umami bomb".
God I hope Japanese culture stops getting glorified for no good reason.

[Anonymous No.11538557]

>>11538350
savory and umami refer to different things, though

[Anonymous No.11538570]

>>11538414
Japanese culture is objectively cool tho. One of many I enjoy learning about.

[Anonymous No.11538607]

>>11538332
>>11538343
i dont know, maybe

[Anonymous No.11538608]

>>11538557
Just about any word in existence will refer to different things depending on the person using it. That's not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11538613]

>>11538570
>Japanese culture is objectively cool tho. One of many I enjoy learning about.

[Anonymous No.11538627]

>>11538410
who are you callin' sweaty you fucking greasy fuck

[Anonymous No.11538633]

>>11538305
Did everyone forget umami is literally just MSG

[Anonymous No.11538636]

>>11538350
Savory is not the word for it.
Savory describes a secondary flavor as a result of primary flavors, particularly salt.
Umami is a basic taste independent of the others like salt and was introduced as a term when the Japanese scientifically demonstrated the existence of glutamate receptors in the 1980s.

If you're so afraid of loanwords then you'd better throw out the entire French sauce system, and words like "saute pan" and "chef" while you're at it.

[Anonymous No.11538644]

>>11538608
Why couldn't you apply this arugment to sweet, sour, salty etc. That is kind of a nihilistic approach to language

[Anonymous No.11538647]

>>11538636
>Savory describes a secondary flavor as a result of primary flavors, particularly salt.
wrong

[Anonymous No.11538650]

>>11538636
>Savory is not the word for it.
Like I said, just about any word in existence will refer to different things depending on the person using it. You might not prefer this sense of meaning, but clearly savory is an acceptable word for referring to the same flavor "umami" refers to.

[Anonymous No.11538651]

>>11538613
Howdy /ck/, my name is Kenichi Smith.

I'm a 27 year old Japanese Toonaholic (Cartoon fan for you foreigners). I draw cartoons and comics on my tablet, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing superior American games. (Halo, Gears of War, Call of Duty)

I train with my 1911 every day, this superior weapon can shoot straight through steel because it kicks ass, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my gun license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak English fluently, both the Midwestern and the East Coast accents, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about American history and their Constitution, which I follow 100%

When I get my American visa, I am moving to New York to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an animator for Nickelodeon or a game designer!

I own several cowboy outfits, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to America, so I can fit in easier. I keep cool to my elders and seniors and speak English as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in America!

[Anonymous No.11538655]

>>11538651
based

[Anonymous No.11538659]

>>11538647

[Anonymous No.11538665]

>>11538650
Red and green are the same because

Like I said, just about any word in existence will refer to different things depending on the person using it. You might not prefer this sense of meaning, but clearly red is an acceptable word for referring to the same color "green" refers to.

[Anonymous No.11538666]

>>11538305
Name one thing that has it. Shiitake mushrooms?

[Anonymous No.11538672]

>>11538666
Maggi sauce

[Anonymous No.11538673]

>>11538644
>That is kind of a nihilistic approach to language
It's the standard approach to language. Have you ever taken a linguistics course? It's really easy to spot someone who hasn't taken one, just look for anyone trying to dictate the one true meaning of a word like it's some absolute law of nature. Language is whatever people actually use when they speak and write, not what you want them to use. Even Samuel Johnson (the guy who wrote Dictionary of the English Language) was calling out prescriptivists hundreds of years ago.
>When we see men grow old and die at a certain time one after another, from century to century, we laugh at the elixir that promises to prolong life to a thousand years; and with equal justice may the lexicographer be derided, who being able to produce no example of a nation that has preserved their words and phrases from mutability, shall imagine that his dictionary can embalm his language, and secure it from corruption and decay, that it is in his power to change sublunary nature, and clear the world at once from folly, vanity, and affectation. With this hope, however, academies have been instituted, to guard the avenues of their languages, to retain fugitives, and repulse intruders; but their vigilance and activity have hitherto been vain; sounds are too volatile and subtile for legal restraints; to enchain syllables, and to lash the wind, are equally the undertakings of pride, unwilling to measure its desires by its strength. The French language has visibly changed under the inspection of the academy; the stile of Amelot's translation of Father Paul is observed, by Le Courayer to be un peu passé; and no Italian will maintain that the diction of any modern writer is not perceptibly different from that of Boccace, Machiavel, or Caro.

[Anonymous No.11538676]

>>11538666
Tomatoes

[Anonymous No.11538680]

>>11538665
That would be a perfectly fine argument except I don't think people actually use those words that way. Feel free to post some textual examples to support your case though.

[Anonymous No.11538686]

>>11538666
black garlic

[Anonymous No.11538694]

>>11538673
>clearly you're not as smart or educated as me
>words have no meaning at all because people can have slightly different interpretations
>let me insult you while I huff my farts

How could you understand any language if you didn't have some basic understand of what words mean?

[Anonymous No.11538711]

>>11538636
I've never seen anyone use that sense of savory. If anything, I can see confusing statements creating that illusion because people are not taught about savory as a basic taste.
>I'm not in the mood for something sweet. Something... salty maybe, like meat?

This kind of stuff is just a result of poor vocabulary. Savory is not created by salt, it's just a common pairing.

[Anonymous No.11538713]

>>11538694
How do you get "language is meaningless" out of "language isn't a rigidly defined set of absolute laws?" Also descriptivism / prescriptivism is the most basic linguistic topic there is. It's not about being smart, it's about having the slightest bit of awareness on the topic you're trying to have an opinion about here. You're an ignorant pseud if you think you can dictate savory is only allowed to refer to the one narrowly defined meaning you prefer when it's clearly being used by plenty of other people both in speaking and in writing to refer to the same thing "umami" does.

[Anonymous No.11538721]

>>11538680
My point being just because 2 things are on a spectrum doesn't make them the same.
Also if your going to claim that words are completely subjective then how can you deny my own subjective reality? So to me umami and savory are different. Using your own logic I can't be wrong. Using your logic I could say that red and green are the same.

[Anonymous No.11538727]

>>11538711
Savory is not a basic taste and was never considered one until Umami was discovered and all the racists came out of the woodwork.

[Anonymous No.11538759]

>>11538727
Idk man, as a young kid I very strongly wanted a word for it because the tongue chart seemed to be missing a flavor, and reluctantly decided on "meaty" (not good for describing peanut butter as it's not meat) before I remembered savory existed. I think it's a very basic taste.

[Anonymous No.11538760]

>>11538721
You're not wrong about umami and savory being used as different words by some people. You're wrong about trying to say that's the one true meaning of savory when it's not even the more commonly used sense of the word. And the descriptivist approach to language is to describe how people actually use words in real life. And like I said, I don't believe people are actually using those two words you're trying to use as an example interchangeably. You're "using" them that way right now to try to prove a point, not because you actually speak that way or write that way ordinarily. Just because language isn't a mathematical formula or the Ten Commandments doesn't mean it's meaningless or that you can just string together your own sounds and have it recognized as a language by the rest of the world. It's more like there's a consensus reality and meaning is determined through popular use. You can back up an argument for some word's meaning through textual evidence.

[Anonymous No.11538762]

>>11538713
You are defining your own definition of language rigidly which is hilarious to me. Do you even speak another language? Because other cultures have different perceptions about how literal something is. And in this case I'm saying since we disputing the difference between two words that some level of rigidy is needed. I understand that to creep and to lurk could be used interchangeably but when arguing the reality of something you shouldn't just eschew someones oppion because other people have opinions.

[Anonymous No.11538774]

>>11538759
That basic taste is called umami.

[Anonymous No.11538779]

>>11538774
It's called Umami in Japanese. We call it "savory" in the west.

It's no different how we refer to a certain color as "Red" in English, but in Japanese it's called "akai"

[Anonymous No.11538796]

>>11538305
It has always been real and known to the rest of the world as "savory". Retarded Japanese doesn't discover it for 1500 years after the rest of the world (even China AND Korea) and now everyone has to clap their hands and go "oh look what Japan did!" and change a perfectly fine word to a stupid sounding one because some mushroom autist found the receptor for the flavor.

[Anonymous No.11538799]

>>11538727
>all the racists came out of the woodwork
It's not racist to refrain from doing pretentious shit. If anything people like you who go around saying "umami" and request chopsticks at asian restaurants to show off your worldliness are the ones being racist because you're fetishizing their culture.

[Anonymous No.11538809]

>>11538779
It's closer to orange, which we never had a word for and used tortured combinations like "yellowred" (Geoluread in Old English) until other cultures introduced the orange fruit to us.

[Anonymous No.11538810]

>>11538774
Or savory.

[Anonymous No.11538813]

>>11538796
Close, but not quite.
The rest of the world called it "savory" but never scientifically proved its existance. The Japs were the first to do that, so they get to name it. That's just standard scientific practice--make a new discovery and you get to name it. Apparently this triggers some people because the west already had a word for it.

[Anonymous No.11538815]

>>11538810
>>11538659
Not a basic taste.

[Anonymous No.11538827]

>>11538815
It really is though.

[Anonymous No.11538834]

>>11538827
its a 'taste' but there are only three types of signal pathways on the tongue and theyre for sweet, salty, and bitter.

[Anonymous No.11538836]

>>11538827
It is not, and has never been considered so until flyover heard the word "umami" for the first time about five years ago on TV and flipped their shit.
These are the same people who still think sushi is a recent hipster fad.

[Anonymous No.11538844]

>>11538834
>>11538836
You're really going to make me do this?

[Anonymous No.11538845]

>>11538636
You multiculturist shit skin lovers will hang

[Anonymous No.11538860]

>>11538844
>umami
You're just proving my point.
The traditional Western model omits umami entirely.

[Anonymous No.11538862]

My jap gf said umami develops from cooking the ingredients together letting it cool them reheating it when ready to eat. Idk if it's true but her food tastes good. I've only ever heard her refer to umami when cooking nimono.

[Anonymous No.11538876]

>>11538762
Just because common spoken / written language is definitely not being dictated by some immutable set of laws doesn't mean you're not allowed to point this out because "muh subjectivity" or whatever you're getting at here. Language being that way is something you can observe and *DESCRIBE*. That's the entire point of descriptivist vs. prescriptivst. The former describes what's really there while the latter tries to prescribe how things should be. Describing what's there doesn't mean every random combination of symbols or sounds is an equally plausible representation of whichever meaning you're discussing. That's why you use textual evidence, to see how words are actually being used. The prescriptivist approach you or maybe some other anon was using to try to claim the one true meaning of savory was different from "umami" is a mistaken approach because that's not really how people use the word savory a lot of the time (and in fact, it's probably not even how people use the word savory most of the time). The claim your preferred meaning there is "more right" isn't based on anything, though this doesn't mean (like you seem to be arguing now) that widely shared consensus meanings of words don't exist. It's just the difference between a soft / probabilistic sense of meaning vs. a hard / deterministic one.

[Anonymous No.11538884]

>>11538860
>traditional western model
It was CHANGED after the receptor on the tongue was found and isolated. It's why we call it that stupid word now, to kiss the ass the guy who discovered it.

And since you seem to be way out of the loop, someone is even on the verge of discovering a sixth receptor which tastes fats.

[Anonymous No.11538894]

>>11538884
>acknowledging a discovery is now ass-kissing

I suppose you've found clever new names for every single dinosaur because the accepted ones are too brown-nosey, huh?

[Anonymous No.11538899]

>>11538884
>we call it that
Maybe you call it that. Normal people call it savory.

[Anonymous No.11538900]

>>11538884
>fats are actually tasted
WHAT!?

[Anonymous No.11538902]

>>11538659
that definition, like your previous post, is incorrect

[Anonymous No.11538910]

>>11538899
Obstinate racists aren't normal people, /pol/.

[Anonymous No.11538913]

>>11538613
>>11538651
The best part about the American-Japanese cultural exchange is that both of these subsets of pop culture actually exist.

[Anonymous No.11538915]

>>11538899
No, I call it savory because that's what it fucking is and I'm not a weeb. I say "we" in the 'what we're supposed to say' sense.

[Anonymous No.11538917]

>>11538876
Well it seems we have reached some agreement. My only point being that if you can never prescribe some meaning to words that language becomes much less effective at describing reality and communicating. Clearly "cold" doesn't mean just one thing but saying that it is wrong to ever prescribe meaning makes arguing the difference between two or more thing very very difficult. And i actually have an associats in linguistics and have learned several languages. So maybe just beacuse someone doesnt agree doesn't make them stupid or wrong, especially by your own interpretation of language

[Anonymous No.11538924]

>>11538900
Yes and it has name even worse than umami. Oleogustus.

[Anonymous No.11538927]

>>11538894
Shut up, weeb.

[Anonymous No.11538941]

>>11538900
>fats are actually tasted
>WHAT!?
It's not the way you think.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/08/02/428643391/oleogustus-is-the-newly-discovered-taste-and-boy-is-it-bad
>Found in high concentrations in rancid foods, oleogustus actually operates as a protective mechanism of sorts — offering a warning sign to stop eating whatever it is one is tasting. In this respect, it's a bit like bitterness.
It's something that has an effect on taste, but it's not like the "fat taste" is the enjoyable flavors you get from eating fatty foods, those flavors are all covered by the standard preexisting tastes like saltiness or savoriness. This "fat taste" is something more subtle and also repulsive rather than appetizing.

[Anonymous No.11538947]

>>11538941
Huh, curious as hell

[Anonymous No.11538955]

I work BoH and because we're not fucking sommeliers we sometimes have a little difficulty talking about flavor combinations and how to improve a dish. Usually we just say shit like, "it need more salt [this is usually the case, unless it's too salty]/needs some acidity/it's just kind of bland, how about sage?/it needs some kind of pop/this is a little thick, and anon added too much cayenne, so lets finish it with a splash of cream/etc".

That said, I've never heard anyone use "umami" in a kitchen. Umami is a real thing for sure; it just doesn't describe anything in a practical way.

[Anonymous No.11538964]

>>11538900
Fat is flavor.

[Anonymous No.11538982]

>>11538955
If someone said that something needed a glutimate, I'd know what they meant. If they said it needed "umami" I might have to suplex hem

[Anonymous No.11539081]

>lets add some umami to the recipe
>puts in seaweed

>lets add some savoriness to the recipe
>adds salt

[Anonymous No.11539371]

>>11539081
>lets add some savoriness to the recipe
>adds salt
I've never heard someone use savory to mean salt in real life.

[Anonymous No.11539390]

>>11538902
>i'm the sole judge of what's right and wrong
cant wait until trump makes it legal to kill autists like you

[Anonymous No.11539641]

Umami is savoury, the Japs knew it was a meme when they made it up, western fags take everything too seriously

[Anonymous No.11539651]

>>11539371
But you have heard of people using umami to refer to specific ingredients that add umami fllavor to the dish.

[Anonymous No.11539664]

>>11539390

Seems counterproductive to his re-election

[Anonymous No.11539670]

>>11539651
No.

[Anonymous No.11539675]

>>11539651
I'm not the dude you're replying to, but countless times YES.

[Anonymous No.11539678]

>>11539675
You're hanging out with awful people.

[Anonymous No.11539682]

>>11539641
This.
>can I use this word unironically?
>Are you Japanese?
Yes
>Are you some youtube/tumblr/blogging "foodie"?
Don't even think about it.

[Anonymous No.11539862]

>mm, these pretzels sure are savory
people say this all the time, right?

[Anonymous No.11539878]

>>11539675
I bet you're the kind of people who also say shit like "mouthfeel" and "artisanal."

[Anonymous No.11539885]

>>11539878
Whats wrong with those terms?

[Anonymous No.11539894]

>>11539885
I can't explain it to you because you're cringe-blind.

[Anonymous No.11539900]

>>11539894
You can't explain it because you're a monkey that sees other people say they're cringe and you imitate them without any deeper understanding.
Good job monkey.

[Anonymous No.11539916]

>>11539900
>Nothing I do is embarrassing because I personally can't tell it's embarrassing
Yeah, that's pretty unsurprisingly autistic of you. I hope you don't have the same philosophy when it comes to your body odor.

[Anonymous No.11539920]

>>11539916
Wow 2nd post failing to answer the question.
Here comes 3rd:

[Anonymous No.11539955]

>>11539920
>Wow 2nd post failing to answer the question.
I already told you in the first post I can't answer it because you don't have the ability to perceive shame so it doesn't really make sense for you to complain about subsequent posts that don't answer your question either. Why would you expect me to post an answer to a question I already said I can't answer? I can't explain colors to a blind person either, and no amount of a blind person complaining to me that I must be mistaken and colors don't exist would make it any more possible for me to explain why that blind person is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11539967]

>>11539900
Also just noticed this:
>you're a monkey that sees other people say they're cringe and you imitate them
Are you saying you think when people react with cringing to your embarrassing behavior that they're *deciding* to do this? Do you not understand feeling embarrassed for someone else doing something embarrassing is an involuntary sensation and not a choice?

[Anonymous No.11539988]

>>11539390
>i'm the sole judge of what's right and wrong
>cant wait until trump makes it legal to kill autists like you
But that's exactly what trump thinks about himself, so you're saying he's going to kill himself?

[Anonymous No.11540002]

It amazes me that any of you can't accept that it is called both umami and savory.

[Anonymous No.11540011]

>>11539967
Embarrasment is a sensation dependant on your culture and cultures can be rejected and expanded. Stop talking bullshit.