/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11456996]

How would you have improved on what she picked? what would you take out and replace?

and is it even possible to feed a family of 4 on $29 per week?

[Anonymous No.11457006]

>>11456996
unnecessary amount of greens, needs more fats in her diet.

[Anonymous No.11457007]

>>11456996
I would also say if you only have 29$ to live for a week as a familie, maybe you should cut out all the fresh greens, buy canned tomates and frozen veggies..
It would give some more at least

[Anonymous No.11457011]

>>11456996
I'm still convinced she was trolling.

[Anonymous No.11457014]

>>11457011
she probably has never needed to shop for her food for the past 20 years

celebrities are on their own planet

[Anonymous No.11457022]

it is possible to feed 4 on 29 USD a week by eating exclusively simple grains(baking own bread, pasta, rice), onions, carrots and other cheap vegetables. but if that is done long term then it will likely lead to nutrient deficiencies and stunted physical and mental growth(especially in kids)

[Anonymous No.11457024]

>>11457022
>long term
long-term, food stamp recipients are supposed to get a job

[Anonymous No.11457027]

>>11457022
you can probably get some really cheap protein like no-brand canned sardines

[Anonymous No.11457033]

>>11457024
maybe so, but it is not their kids decision on whether they get a job yet the kid will be the one who grows up stunted.
is there not a ethical duty for the state and its people to make sure all kids are raised to a basic level so their possibilities of a productive future aren't instantly diminished by their parents choices?

[Anonymous No.11457037]

>>11457022
the sad thing is (rich) vegan parents push their meme diet onto growing kids and they get the same ill effects....

[Anonymous No.11457041]

>>11457027
these are from australian prices so i cant comment directly on muttland but
getting 6000kj from the cheapest tinned fish here costs 8 usd
while from flour it costs 0.30 usd
if there was extra cash left over then it could be used, but economically if eating on the cheap it would not be able to be used in quantity

[Anonymous No.11457048]

>>11456996
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[Anonymous No.11457062]

>>11456996
Those limes, avocado and fresh herbs probably make up more than 50% of the cost. Take them out and buy 2 or 3 times what she already has. Could probably drop those tortillas as well, buy potatos or if you must buy bread then buy cheap rolls or budget sliced bread.
Sorry but if your budget is 30 bucks for a week you get exactly ZERO luxuries.

[Anonymous No.11457080]

>>11457033
>is there not a ethical duty for the state...?
There are literally endless things a state can consider its ethical duty. However, the state budget is far from limitless.

Is there not a ethical duty for the state to take care of old people?
Is there not a ethical duty for the state to protect the citizens?
Is there not a ethical duty for the state to provide school buses, socialized healthcare, mo' money fo' dem programs etc.
The question isn't whether there is a duty or not, the question is what's more important, what is the most efficient way of spending money to help the citizens?
Are veterans more important than children of poor parents? Are people born with pre-existing conditions more important than Native Americans living on reservations? Are school lunches more important than fire departments?

Also, how do you make sure that the handouts are spent on the kids and not spent recklessly by the parents?

[Anonymous No.11457090]

>tfw only one lime a day
fucking fascists

[Anonymous No.11457094]

>>11457033
Fuck you and your socialist garbage. Not only is it impractical long term to have such a bloated welfare state, it incentivizes the very thing it seeks to fight: people staying in poverty. It's counterproductive, and whenever problems arise the solution seems to be more of it.

[Anonymous No.11457096]

>>11456996
Who the fuck is "she" which you don't specifiy and why should I care? I don't care about your blogger bullshit or your youtube bullshit. So be specific if your capable and I haven't blocked because you fucking shills are so fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.11457101]

>>11457096
..gyweth paltrow is a hollywood actress

[Anonymous No.11457103]

Going by the prices at my local supermarket
5kg rice
2kg onions
4kg potatos
Enough tomato paste to last a long ass fucking time
24 eggs
2 cans of any variety of beans I want

Not the highest quality but I don't intend to live like this forever. All this stuff is easy to prepare and can be made in a number of combinations. Onion soup on rice is a favorite of mine that I eat even when I have money. Eggs can be prepared a million ways, you can have them by themselves, or with the rice or potatoes. Beans can be had by themself with a bit of oil and vinegar, can be cooked in a tomato base or mixed with rice. Onions go with literally everything else on the list. Rice can be plain, with eggs, with onions, with a basic tomato sauce etc.

Of course I'm very much doubting that there are entire families living only on $29. I don't live in the US but I know for a fact that poor kids get free school lunches for instance even if they are shit.

[Anonymous No.11457117]

>>11457033
It's got nothing to do with ethics, it's the fiscally prudent thing to do. A couple thousand bucks per kid reduces the net drain those kids put on the system when they're adults and actually working office jobs instead of shooting up on the street corner and harassing pedestrians. A useless adult with mental retardation and social disorders is net negative contribution to GDP, Republicans think the solution is to scold and lock up the adult, rather than prevention, because HANDOUTS are GOMMUNISM
>>11457080
Slippery slope arguments are garbage
>we shouldn't have a military because they can't guarantee absolute security
>we shouldn't enforce laws because someone somewhere might break it still
>we should have roads because then everyone will want a road

[Anonymous No.11457156]

>>11457117
Why should the government provide food stamps for people? Why should be always expect to fallback on to the government instead of using the many community run organizations that will help cater to their needs better.
Instead of food stamps, the government should just send them chicken, rice, and frozen peas instead of the abusable food stamp system.

[Anonymous No.11457161]

>>11457117
>Slippery slope arguments are garbage
I forgot to mention this in my post, but I absolutely agree that no child should ever suffer because of their parents' bad decisions. The problem is that it's impossible to achieve that without severely restricting the freedom of both the children and the parents.

Also, my argument was mainly that it's not as simple as what is or isn't ethical.
When you give someone govt money, you can't give that money to anyone else. Who are you willing to give less/no money to, to benefit the children? I can sit here and make endless arguments about people who need govt money, but at the end of the day, there's only a finite amount I can give.

My last sentence was just a detail. Even though I do think it's a problem, it obviously does not mean we shouldn't give money to care for children.

[Anonymous No.11457164]

>>11457156
I don't really give a shit what the specific implementation is, if you bother to look this up you'll find there are multiple different kinds of programs that work in different ways. But just saying "oh there are religious groups that will take care of that" is not the answer, America is not a theocracy
>>11457161
Your argument still amounts to "no program can solve 100% of all problems with 0% waste 100% of the time therefore let's scrap the whole thing"

[Anonymous No.11457165]

>>11457080
give kids free food in schools
or hand out packages of veg and fruit and meat etc for kids to take home

[Anonymous No.11457173]

>>11457164
>community run organizations
I didnt say churches. Plenty of schools have canned food drives frequently to give to food banks. I bet if you asked them, if they don't just give you food, of course, they would point whoever is in need in the right direction.
>>11457165
They do. May schools have free lunch programs and a lot of elementary schools have a "backpack club," where a bunch of easy to prepare meals are given to kids in need.

[Anonymous No.11457176]

>>11457094
>it incentivizes the very thing it seeks to fight: people staying in poverty
how does giving kids free food while they are in school incentivize poverty
it literally enables them to be productive members of society as they wont be malnutritioned
giving kids food while they are dependents that are unable to earn a living for themselves or make life choices for themselves is very different to giving an adult NEET free handouts. the NEET makes a conscious choice to not work and be productive, while the child is a product of environmental chance with no say in how their parents provide for them

[Anonymous No.11457179]

>>11456996
yeah, but you'll probably be stuck eating the same shit every week

also this dumb bitch went shopping before she even decided what she was going to cook for the week

[Anonymous No.11457183]

>>11457117
>It's got nothing to do with ethics, it's the fiscally prudent thing to do.
That's not true. It's more complicated than that. Economic policy laws are ALWAYS too complicated to just summarize in two sentences.

When you guarantee money per kid, and give all sorts of benefits, you're basically saying that even if someone barely does anything, or not even at all, they are still guaranteed a living. This not only means that a significant number of people will say "fuck minimum wage, Imma stay at home", it also means that employers like Wallmart can get away with paying below min wage, because the govt will top off the paycheck. This means that the taxpayer is essentially subsidizing Wallmart, AND you get people like the working poor, who are increasingly disillusioned, and are taught that even hard work only guarantees are bare minimum.

I'm neither claiming that I have the solutions, nor that we should scrap ALL welfare, but you're grossly oversimplifying things.

>Your argument still amounts to...
I LITERALLY spelled out what my argument was:
>my argument was mainly that it's not as simple as what is or isn't ethical.

[Anonymous No.11457190]

>>11457183
>implying I don't also support raising the minimum wage
If a company like Walmart can't survive without wage subsidies, it shouldn't survive. Same goes for fast food shit. Eating out in some parts of Europe is like 5-6x more expensive than it is in most of the US, and that's how it should be

[Anonymous No.11457195]

>>11457165
Yes, that's not a bad idea, but it does not solve the problem entirely. Still, I'd support something like that.
Although I vaguely remember EBT cards used to be some kind of "crates" or something, and there was something the matter with them, but I don't remember what.

[Anonymous No.11457197]

>>11457176
Did you not read what my red hat says, you soy NPC cuck?

[Anonymous No.11457207]

>>11457173
>They do. May schools have free lunch programs and a lot of elementary schools have a "backpack club," where a bunch of easy to prepare meals are given to kids in need.
good to hear, again i don't follow the amerimutt scene closely but that is a good start.
what is the spread of the programs like? are they state run initiatives only available in certain places, and only restricted to elementary schools?
ideally that sort of system should be in place to kids of all ages who need it(until 18 or so when they can earn their own living)
for memory salvador alende had a similar policy, but as chile was a much poorer country it was just free milk instead.
as >>11457117 this anon explains, i don't see this is an inherently socialist policy, in the same way that providing schooling to the general population is fiscally beneficial to all and is accepted across the political spectrum

[Anonymous No.11457212]

>>11457190
The minimum wage is literally the scourge of black males, and it was a significant factor in pushing them as low as they are now.
https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

It enables not only racism, but also general discrimination, prevents young people from acquiring experience and supporting their families while they are still living at home.

It is literally the bloodletting of the economic world: everyone is doing it, it sounds really good, but it actually does more harm than good.

[Anonymous No.11457219]

>>11457207
>what is the spread of the programs like? are they state run initiatives only available in certain places, and only restricted to elementary schools?
I feel like they're fairly common. Free lunch I know for sure is an Idaho-wide thing for all grade-levels at least. The backpack club is most likely restricted to elementary schools, though I'm not sure.

>ideally that sort of system should be in place to kids of all ages who need it(until 18 or so when they can earn their own living)
Well, you can, technically, earn a living in the US at 16, but I agree. I wish abortions where more encouraged if you couldn't afford the child / provide some basic income for it.

>>11457212
Shut up retard.

[Anonymous No.11457220]

>>11456996
loads of greens, herbs, brown rice, avocado, 7 fucking limes

absolutely disgusting

I'm pretty sure you could feed a family of 4 for a week on $29 if you make actual good choices. probably wont taste all that good though.

[Anonymous No.11457226]

>>11457207
> i don't see this is an inherently socialist policy, in the same way that providing schooling to the general population is fiscally beneficial to all and is accepted across the political spectrum
117 here, I don't see the need to argue whether it's "socialist" or not unless you have some axe to grind with political parties. socialism is a very broad concept, it doesn't strictly mean a USSR-style system with top down planning of every aspect of the economy. there are systems that successfully utilize market economics in some sectors and socialist programs in other sectors, arguing about whether that system is "truly capitalist" or "truly socialist" is just beating a horse that died in 1989
>>11457212
I think the idea of eliminating the minimum wage altogether is an interesting one, but if we're going to have one at all, it should reflect reality and not just exist to give the walmarts and the mcdonaldses a pretext for their parasitic business models

[Anonymous No.11457229]

>>11457183
>a significant number of people will say "fuck minimum wage, Imma stay at home"
giving kids the free food in schools only directly benefits the kid, the parent will still need to pay for rent, their own food, etc etc
if you think that 2$ a day saving on paying for their kids food will cause a 'significant' number of people to not bother working when the other costs of living outweigh this hugely then you are delusional.
>it also means that employers like Wallmart can get away with paying below min wage, because the govt will top off the paycheck
then increase the company tax to offset this? or increase the minimum wage by 10 cents?
again the $2 per day per child would have a very minimal effect on wages

[Anonymous No.11457241]

>>11457219
>Shut up retard.
That wasn't very nice. Did you even read my post? How am I wrong?

>>11457226
Walmart and other companies would be forced to raise wages without benefits, because as of now, the govt is helping Wallmart instead of poor people.

>>11457229
You don't know this because of no trips, but I'm >>11457195. I'm not against that.

>then increase the company tax to offset this?
That's a blanket action that would set back not only Wallmart, but also new companies, struggling companies, minority-run companies, companies that never started, and now never will, because of higher taxes etc. Of course, depending on the actual level of the tax rate, sometimes raising it is beneficial, but again IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE. It literally never is.
Same goes for minimum wages. Mom and Pop stores have to pay that same as Wallmart. Universally raising labor costs across the nation/state has huge, overreaching effects, not just poor children getting fed.

I DO care about helping poor people, but that is exactly why I listen to people and keep an open mind, instead of clamoring for laws that sound good. If you want to help, you have to examine the results of you actions and stay humble. If you get all riled up and DEMAND minimum wage hikes, there's a good chance that when you turn out to be wrong, you'll sweep it under the rug, because it is preferable to admitting you fucked up.

[Anonymous No.11457251]

>>11456996
I could get everything in that pic for $15 at Market Basket.

[Anonymous No.11457258]

>>11456996
SNAP is like $135 per person per month, and under 18s get free food in school.

Regardless, I would improve on what she picked by going to a budget store, not buying six limes, only buying whatever is on sale, and buying rice and lentils by the barrel not by the 1lb bag.

I don't know why the feed family of 4 on $29 is a thing. Is it possible to work 40 hours a week for less than $300? No. If you work, you can eat. If you can't work, why should I feed you.

[Anonymous No.11457284]

>>11457241
>buy all these things to make your mossy anarchy symbol

[Anonymous No.11457288]

>>11456996
>6 limes
Will never understand this

[Anonymous No.11457292]

>>11457284
kek
I posted that picture, I've had it saved on my hard drive for almost a decade, and I never noticed she was making an anarchy symbol.

[Anonymous No.11457297]

>>11457080
Old people should honestly just be killed off. If you're over 60 and are leeching off senior aid and Medicare, you need to die. You serve literally 0 purpose in this world. If you or your family are rich enough to support you, then go on living.
Boomers are fucking cancer

[Anonymous No.11457304]

>>11457297
t. 26 year old renter with $1300 in his checking account, no savings, no retirement fund, and a smog-belching cage that will send him into destitution if the transmission decides to shit itself one day

[Anonymous No.11457317]

>>11457226
Minimum wage is the only thing separating us from anarchy.
Minimum wage jobs literally say "we would pay you less if we could, but it's illegal"

[Anonymous No.11457321]

>>11457317
https://mises.org/wire/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws

[Anonymous No.11457335]

>>11457304
t. 58 yr boomer posting minion memes on Facebook and reading Breitbart. Only leaves house to pick up medicine for emphysema because he smoked like a chimney even though everyone told him not to. Bought his house for a nickel and a handshake and now thinks he's above garbage even though he literally had the world handed to him. Probably shat out a few kids who don't even talk to him anymore and he blames don lemon and cnn for that.

I worked as a pharmacist in a hospital and you boomer fucks are the most retarded and entitled pieces of shit. Even the junky nogs and white trash were better than you

[The_Baker pt. II !!VyIROBcMkwf No.11457345]

>>11457317

Minimum wage is a shit stand-in for workers gaining meaningful control of productive assets. If employees weren't on the shit end of a predatory rleationship to start, those types of laws wouldn't even be necesarry.

t. business owner who is closing in on paying 100% of employees at least 15/hr.

[Anonymous No.11457354]

>>11457335
You forgot drugereport, that's drudgereport.com, don't you really hate it? It makes you type out as the fools you are. He used to have a radio show but I can't find that anymore. Maybe you people tried to supress his license, but that's what you demoshits do.

[Anonymous No.11457358]

>>11457335
I'm a gen X, I deleted my facebook account after they opened it up to non-accredited schools, and my health is fantastic, but thank you for your concern.

it seems to me you're feeling guilty that you work for an incredibly dysfunctional industry that thrives off the misery of the unwell. I recommend you get into volunteer work or find a hobby that allows you to channel that angst into something productive.

[Anonymous No.11457360]

>>11457345
Do you really believe that or has some idiot put that into your face? A lot of people are fucking morons, and yeah they get, minimum wage. Put a little effort in and it goes up in magnitutes, but then you wouldn't know about that would you, since you're a commie creep. Don't fuck with us.

[Anonymous No.11457394]

>>11457156
>You: Votes for a government that actively makes everything more expensive
>You: Votes for a government that actively makes it harder to earn money
>You: "Why shouldn't these people be forced to survive on their own"
Maybe because you've been taking their money you fat fuck, now pay it back.

[The_Baker pt. II !!VyIROBcMkwf No.11457400]

>>11457360

I'm not sure exactly what part of my post you're disagreeing with. I'm not talking about the value of labor. I'm talking about the relationship of labor to capital. Putting in effort at your McDonald's job doesn't magically grant you access to increasingly scarce capital.

Also...

>commie

I'm a supporter of completley freed markets with literally no government intervention.

[Anonymous No.11457408]

>>11456996
SNAP is a supplement, which means it should be adding to your own food money. Also 29 week means 116 a month, who the fuck buys food weekly? Gwyneth Paltrow is legit insane, so I don't know why anyone is looking to her for brownie points

[Anonymous No.11457432]

>>11456996
>7 limes ~ $5.50
>one ear of corn ~$.40
>one avocado ~ $1.00
>one tomato, romaine lettuce, kale ~$4.00
>one sweet potato ~$1.00
>pack of small corn tortillas ~$3.00
Remove all of this shit and get back ~$15. More than half. Buy corn flour, more dry beans, bottled lime juice, and canned veggies with ~$7. Buy 8 lbs of chicken thighs for ~$8. Make your own tortillas.
Or, forego meat entirely, and get more rice and beans, canned tomato etc.

[Anonymous No.11457453]

>>11456996
>large bag of rice
>dry beans
>chicken breast
>eggs
>milk
>whatever fresh veggies you want that keeps you within your budget
it's absolutely possible to survive on 29 bucks a week

also why the fuck does this bitch have 7 limes, an avocado, and fucking KALE
the lettuce is also autistic since it gives you absolutely nothing nutrition wise

[Anonymous No.11457469]

>>11456996
>Bunch of random shit.
Five pounds of potatoes costs 3 dollars here, how the fuck can people argue that it's hard to live on food.
>>11457022
Cut out the soda and substitute whole milk. Add in pork and chicken considering how fucking cheap things like potatoes and onions are. You can eat meat for dinner every other night on 29 a week for four people easy. You can make soups out of offal etc. Looking at how people lived in the DDR / ex soviet union it blows my mind how people can think this is bad. Inb4 a lot of implications, I'm on NEETbux now, I lived on 500 a month for 6 months. Rent and utilities were 425 of that, I know what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.11457471]

>>11457288
It's to see how many she can hold.

[Anonymous No.11457488]

>Decides to survive on
>Some eggs
>Buys tortillas instead of whole flour and oil
>Expensive rice that isn't even bulk
>Correctly buys kg package of peas and black beans
>4 different greens with terrible price per kg
>A lone tomato, avacado and onion
>Buys herbs in bundle instead of dried, at 10x the price, without even a pottery plant along it to grow more
>Buys a lime for each day, most likely won't even use it for food but for water'

>>11457022
By itself the proposed diet gives you a lot of food for €29
But you still would need to buy liver/lungs/heart, or blood. And make food that contains magnesium, b12 and iron.
And you would still need to buy some extremely cheap canned tuna or fish, and eat 2 meals of it a week at the least.

[Anonymous No.11457518]

>>11457488
>But you still would need to buy liver/lungs/heart, or blood
what???

[Anonymous No.11457543]

People forget as automation comes and lower skilled jobs and even typical middle class work gets automated opportunities for work will become scarcer and scarcer and those that own the businesses will gobble up more of the shrinking pie. Well when people get poor, desperate, and worst of all hungry their motivation to fuck shit up and change things increases. Guess who they'll start going after?

Everyone likes to talk like their big swinging here fuck the poor and every poor person is lazy looking for handouts. Even if that's true for the sake of argument these handouts are the modern day equivalent of "bread and games." When the bread and games are gone and theirs no feasible work to be had then you better hope you learned from navy seal pasta. Hell odds are 99% of you are dishwashers here so you'll be in the mob too.

[Anonymous No.11457546]

>>11457288
>6
Stay in school

[Anonymous No.11457548]

>>11457543
>Hell odds are 99% of you are dishwashers here so you'll be in the mob too.
I feel personally attacked

[Anonymous No.11457552]

>>11456996
If you can't survive on your own in modern America that's just sad desu. $29 is a big help considering the low price of groceries here so a family of 4 should be happy. Also most people get A LOT more help than $29 a week. I know a family of 4 that gets $700 per month.

[Anonymous No.11457553]

>>11456996
>have $29 for a week
>spend 90% of it on vegetables with no calories

[Anonymous No.11457554]

>>11456996
Also why are they buying limes, garlic and fresh herbs? Those are luxury items.

[Anonymous No.11457555]

>>11456996
>29 dollars?
Fuck, ok, I’m going straight for finishing herbs and a retarded amount of limes
I’m not defending whatever snap is but Christ, it’s certainly easier to budget yourself. Get pasta.

[Anonymous No.11457593]

>>11457518
Because its food enriched in vitamins and minerals, compared to mere meat.
Which is enough to stave off deficiency.
And its only needed for a meal a week.

The entire point of the modern American diet is that since meat is primary consumed, you need more of it because meat isn't as good as organs.
If you where to go for a full on poor diet, deficiencies will arrive because meat isn't a good source of things like iron. And since meat is rare, its even worse.
And even if you do it properly, like using proper flour or rye flour, that still means its possible to not get enough sweet animal juices like a true vegan.
So organs are the simplest stop gap, because they are more nutritious than meat.
You could even make things like liver pastè, which is a really amazing breakfast/lunch dish when combined with some really tasty bread.

Blood food is also really good tasting, but it requires some culinary skill or recipes to start making.
You don't need to go back that many decades to find that blood was used in dishes to celebrate slaughter. Because without things like freezers or industrial scale you would need to consume the entire animal to not waste it. So the blood spoils first, and gets eaten first.

[Anonymous No.11457602]

>>11456996
SNAP was $29 per person. It's supposed to be supplemental, not provide for your entire food budget. It was $34/week in 2016, but not sure what it is now.

Pic related is $4.93 per day, or $34.51 per week and you get 100% of every nutrient except Omega 3 (93%)

>>11457011
She's not trolling, just stupid. Her magazine is under investigation for making false health claims about alternative medicine BS
>>11457014
Also this

[Anonymous No.11457616]

>>11457033
The state exists to deal with foreign powers, establish currency for trade, issue laws that facilitate the day to day interactions within the state, and to settle disputes. There are no ethical, moral, or spiritual obligations that belong to the state - it's like suggesting a hammer has an ethical duty not to hit your fingers.

[Anonymous No.11457623]

>>11456996
>limes
What are limes gonna do?

[Anonymous No.11457633]

>>11457616
>There are no ethical, moral, or spiritual obligations that belong to the state - it's like suggesting a hammer has an ethical duty not to hit your fingers.
>Look ma I posted a retarded oversimplification of a complex issue imagine how STUPID you would be to blame a HAMMER this is literally how dumb you are.

In the sense that the people have responsibility for the actions of the state you are correct, but to continue your failure of an analogy, it would actually be like using a hammer with a cracked handle and wondering why you're getting splinters. The answer is to fix the hammer.

[Anonymous No.11457648]

>>11457633
A person is the only thing that has ethical obligations. The question revolved around the state.

[Anonymous No.11457654]

>>11457633
His analogy was backwards. The state has an obligation not to interfere in your life; not to fix all of your problems. That is the American way. Our government was designed for a moral and virtuous people and to safeguard against an overbearing government. We live in the most prosperous nation of all time and some think it is righteous to steal from the productive and give to the lazy, which is a totally un-american idea.

[Anonymous No.11457674]

>>11457602
what site is that?

[Anonymous No.11457677]

>>11457602
>those prices
Did it hurt when you pulled all that out of your ass?

[Anonymous No.11457692]

>>11457648
The state isn't an external concept, it has to function according to with will of the people or it has to be replaced. Its sole function is to apply the desires of the people that support it to the world. A "state" obviously cannot have moral obligations, you can't imply that a concept has a will of its own. However, the state is controlled by the people, who clearly do have moral obligations. So, obviously then, the state must act in a way that is moral, otherwise it is not following the will of the people, and must be replaced, or the people are themselves acting in an immoral way, which also needs to be rectified.

>>11457654
The American way is to act to secure the life, liberty, and happiness of the people, everything else is just smoke and mirrors to achieve that goal. Extolling specific ideas as "American" is not a way to avoid justifying your viewpoints.

[Anonymous No.11457694]

>>11457677
Look at the serving sizes
>It's your responsibility to feed me!

[Anonymous No.11457706]

>>11457692
You should really read American history rather than pull random lines out of the declaration of Independence from 1776 and proclaiming them to be evidence for a massive welfare state in 2018.

Read the federalist papers as a primary source; not Howard zinn's revisionist history

[Anonymous No.11457709]

>>11456996
It is difficult but possible
>250 lbs of elk: $0.21
>20 lbs of potatoes: $8.88
>14 lbs of cabbage: $10.05
>10 lbs of onions: $10.00

[Anonymous No.11457713]

>>11457694
>I can't do math therefore nobody else can

[Anonymous No.11457724]

>>11457048
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[Anonymous No.11457746]

>>11457677
Are you really so stupid that you don't know how to shop around? Which of those prices seems unrealistic?

[Anonymous No.11457768]

She's a lair. She implies SNAP is all u get to feed ur family. She is wrong. SNAP is in addition to foodstamps. Also she is retarded because no matter how much welfare is given, I can ask "This is what a family of 20 gets". She is also retarded because she implies anal isn't thing. Stupid, retarded, and dishonest. Also she's ugly.

[Anonymous No.11457773]

>>11457768
SNAP is food stamps. But it's supposed to be SUPPLEMENTAL, which is in the name, to their income. It's not supposed to be free meals.

[Anonymous No.11457774]

>>11457101
So, bascially, a glorified puppet. Yeah, fuck that, not someone worth paying attention to.

[Anonymous No.11457777]

>>11457096
>not knowing the most famous female actress of the 1990s
t. zoomer LARPing as a cantankerous old man

you didn't even have to have seen her movies to know her name, you've been found out now please return to tick tock

[Anonymous No.11457783]

What state only gives $120 a month for a family of four? In California it's $190 a month for a single person, unless you're making enough money.

[Anonymous No.11457805]

>>11457783
Looked a little more and a family of four can get over $600 in food stamps a month if they have no income. That's $20 a day, where did the $29 a week come from?

[Anonymous No.11457810]

>>11457220
If you did your best to save a few dimes every week you could get some bulk spices every now and then, which would help

[Anonymous No.11457828]

>>11457805
I think SNAP is a supplemental food stamp that is redeemable only for specific items; you can get a free gallon of milk, a free 5 pounds of green vegetables, a free pound of cheese, a free pound of chicken. It is meant to provide nutrition for children as lots of bad parents spend their discretionary food stamps on junk food.

In summation, a family of four would get all of these vegetables on top of a ~$100 stipend per month. Leftists love to use misinformation to proselytize others to their ideology. They don't speak in pragmatic terms, as they are driven by ideology rather than history, morality or factual reality.

[Anonymous No.11457831]

>>11457828
Sorry, meant 100 bucks per week

[Anonymous No.11457864]

>>11456996
the rice, beans, eggs, and tortillas were actually pretty solid picks. other than that, canned/frozen veg, a canned protein of some sort, maybe milk?

[Anonymous No.11457871]

>>11457864
fuck, forgot pantry staples - add an onion or some garlic as well. i'd assume there's sugar/flour/salt/pepper already in the house.

[Anonymous No.11457878]

>>11457828
That isn't how SNAP works though, you might be thinking of WIC, which is for infants/kids and has a specific list of what can be purchased that week. SNAP is what they call food stamps/EBT now; it's a lump sum given at the beginning of the month, and the only things you can't buy are things that don't have "nutrition facts" and food prepared by someone. If it says "supplement information" or has no information it isn't covered, except for spices (and bows and arrows if you're in alaska). So if you wanted to buy $600 worth of cheetos for your family of four every month you could.

[Anonymous No.11457881]

>>11457828
Why are you talking about things you don't know about? Snap is the same thing food stamps used to be but on a card. It gets reloaded once a month and you can buy anything you want food wise as long as it's not hot prepared food.

[Anonymous No.11457892]

>>11457878
Yeah I was thinking of WIC
>>11457881
I guess I'm not a freeloading faggot on welfare. I was thinking of WIC. Anyway a family of 4 will get way more than $29 a week if they don't have any income so the point still stands: people want the government to feed them nowadays.

[Anonymous No.11457910]

>>11457864
tortillas not worth it. Get potatoes instead

[Anonymous No.11457917]

>>11456996
Trade basically all of it for more eggs and some butter.

[Anonymous No.11457942]

>>11456996
First of all, are you really supposed to feed a family with that budget? How big is a family that would be given that budget? Two adults and two kids? Is this with the assumption that there is zero supplementary income?

[Anonymous No.11457976]

>>11457602
>almost half your daily calories in milk
I mean, if it works I guess.

[Anonymous No.11458057]

>>11457602
hello, rippetoe

[Anonymous No.11458153]

I signed up for Snap almost a month ago

[Anonymous No.11458214]

>>11457014
I just love when celebrities start talking about politics like any of that shit affects them
>don't care about healthcare because they can afford all of it
>don't have to deal with immigrants in any way possible
>taxes ? what are those, ill just let my account figure that shit out
>unemployment, food prices, mortgages ? never heard of those
>literally unaffected by half of the laws, can get away with just about anything short of murder
But let me tell you why orange man bad

>celebrities are on their own planet
been saying this for years

[Anonymous No.11458292]

>>11458214
You idiot, you just described le orange himself, lol!

[Anonymous No.11458306]

Food stamps aren't supposed to be the entirety of your food budget, they're there to supplement it. That's your 20 pound bag of rice, your meat for the week,etc.

[Anonymous No.11458314]

>>11457552
>I know a family of 4 that gets $700 per month.
How much of that goes to rent and utilities?

[Anonymous No.11458413]

>>11457546
You have 0 evidence that there are 7 limes. Maybe finish that season of Rick and Morty before insulting my intelligence

[Anonymous No.11458420]

>>11458214
Most politicians are unaffected by the legislation they pass.

[Anonymous No.11458431]

>>11458314
He did say "help".

My rent is only 400 and my utilities run between 50-70 depending on the season. High speed internet, excessively fast, runs another 90. Food runs less than 300. Yeah I know I just ran past 700 and they have more 3 more mouths to feed and diapers and such, but they should be working too unless they're both completely disabled. Also I don't need the full 300 in food in theory. I could eat boring shit all the time to the point where I want to kill myself and get by on probably 100 or less, and have it be healthy and reasonably balanced.

[Anonymous No.11458433]

>>11456996
SNAP is meant to assist in buying groceries. It isn't meant to be the only money you spend. If a family is relying solely on SNAP for their food then they need to go out and get a fucking job.

[Anonymous No.11458531]

>>11457709
>>250 lbs of elk: $0.21

[Anonymous No.11458539]

>>11458531
without food and produce from flyover states coasties will just starve to death

[Anonymous No.11458541]

>>11458153
I bet you're also pro Trump

[Anonymous No.11458545]

>>11458539
That's literally all you people are good for. Braindead agricultural work. Soon you'll all be replaced with robots

[Anonymous No.11458557]

>>11458545
the same will be true for your work.

[Anonymous No.11458598]

I live personally on about $10CAD/week ($7.50 USD). The key is to rotate the purchasing of staples in bulk so that you don't literally buy one week of food every week. This week I bought:

>Flour
>Butter
>Milk
>Cheese

And I'll be eating:

Breakfast
>Harina (cornmeal porridge)
>Bread
>Coffee

Lunch
>Mac & Cheese
>Tea with lemon juice

Dinner
>Stewed black beans
>Steamed rice
>Bread
>Multivitamin

[Anonymous No.11458606]

>>11456996
why don't they just get a job instead?

[Anonymous No.11458643]

>>11457024
Most people on food stamps are employed.

[Anonymous No.11458690]

>>11458643

which is pretty fucked up when you think about it...

[Anonymous No.11458692]

>>11456996
AYO THESE NIGGAS EATIN LIMES

[Anonymous No.11458746]

>>11457027
Shout out to /deenz/

[Anonymous No.11458748]

>>11458539
>>11458531
>Elk
>Flyover states

[Anonymous No.11458913]

>>11456996
dis nigga eatin beans lmao

[Anonymous No.11458966]

>>11458214
>can get away with just about anything short of murder

uh about that

[Anonymous No.11458971]

>>11456996
Who the fuck needs 7 limes per week? Who needs a big spicy pepper in every meal? Who in a poverty situation needs avocado EVER?

[Anonymous No.11458982]

>>11458214
Yea man imagine if we elected celebrities to positions in government and had them direct public polic... oh wait.

[Anonymous No.11459050]

>>11458541
I'm not. Also they're taking a long fucking time sending me my ebt card

[Anonymous No.11459062]

>>11458598
And the protein?

[Anonymous No.11459091]

>>11459062
he has milk, cheese and beans. i dont know what to tell you if you think you need 300 grams a day.

[Anonymous No.11459107]

>>11456996
She's lying. That $29 is PER PERSON, per week. More if the child is under 8 or something. If you have 6 kids like some tan clans, you might have a problem. Also, she probably bought that at some bourgeoisie place in a nicer part of town. Where I live
Beans $2
Rice: $2
Peas: $2
lettuce:$1.50
green onions:$.89
tortillas: $2
Eggs $2
Avocado (why?) $.50
Onion $.25
yam:$.80
kale (WHY?):$2
tomato $.5
garlic: $.25
WHY THAT MANY LIMES. Still, like $1.50
cilantro:$.89

All of that, after tax where I live, would NOT be more than $25, if that. Get rid of 5 of the limes, avocado, get some potatoes (a 5lb bag is like $4), get the tortillas in bulk, grow your own cilantro (grows like a weed) and green onions, and you'll have some money for cheap high-calorie foods like peanuts, cereal grains, and frozen burritos.

[Anonymous No.11459113]

>>11458971
The pepper is actually not a bad buy for how much spice it can add. That one pepper is maybe 6 cents.

[Anonymous No.11459165]

>>11459107
>where I live
>those prices
do you live in 1954 or a third world country?

[Anonymous No.11459215]

>>11459165
I'm not saying, but we're in like the top 10% lowest cost of living countries in the world. A 2 bedroom apartment can be found for like $500 a month here if you get a referral. If 3 people split a house, it's like $275 a person. Yet a shitton of people are still on food stamps here.

[Anonymous No.11459393]

>>11456996
Bruh I can't even afford avocados and I make 6 figures

[Anonymous No.11459425]

>>11459215
>A 2 bedroom apartment can be found for like $500
Maybe in your backwater Nebraskan swamp people village

[Anonymous No.11459456]

>>11459215
Dude what. A dumpy studio costs about $2000 to rent, that's why poors just buy a place out in Rego Park or whatever, and then sell it when they are old enough to get married and combine incomes and can afford to buy something in a neighborhood that doesn't suck.

[Anonymous No.11459547]

>>11456996
SIETE LIMAS

[Anonymous No.11459651]

>>11459456
I lived right outside of seattle for 1000$ a month for a large 2 bedroom 2 bath apartment, split between me and my room mate was 500$ a month. People need to learn how to take public transport and not live in the center of an urban hellhole. Me and my room mate spent 5 bucks a day on mcdonalds as our food for the day. I got a job without high school education and zero work experience within 3 days. We both worked minimum wage jobs, yet had plenty of money for video games, hookah and bills. I have no idea what people mean when they say it is impossible to find a job. Either they have zero social skills or don't know how to look nice.

[Anonymous No.11460615]

>>11458531
Agreed. One round of .30-06 is going to cost you closer to $0.75 unless you buy in bulk.

[Anonymous No.11460645]

>>11456996
>is it even possible to feed a family of 4 on $29
Should it be? Why would this ever be an expectation?

[Anonymous No.11460663]

>>11457006
>Fat Gwyneth
yES

[Anonymous No.11460671]

>>11457011
https://goop.com

[Anonymous No.11460728]

>>11456996
How does this not last a week??

[Anonymous No.11460905]

budget food:
rice
pasta
beans
lentils
spices
tinned tomatoes
frozen/canned veg
bananas
porridge

[Anonymous No.11460988]

SNAP obviously can't be too little since blackies trade them in for 50% of the value ALL THE TIME to buy menthols and booze, and they still survive.

[Anonymous No.11461005]

>>11456996
>cilantro
>limes
>avocado
>BROWN rice
>tortillas

You could be shopping much smarter if money was seriously an issue.

[Anonymous No.11461032]

>>11458982
>elect celebrity
>all celebrities say "orange celebrity man BAD"

[Anonymous No.11461069]

>>11457241
Does this actually make mustard gas instead? Seems pretty neat, anarchynigger shit aside.

[Anonymous No.11461397]

>>11456996
I had to go to an elective course scenario thing where you had to plan your weekly eating for 15 dollars a week. The person I was grouped with said she always needed a salad. Salad Mix in this scenario was 5 dollars. I had to look at her and ask her if she actually needed a salad for 1/3 of her weekly eating. She said yes, so I had her put it on the list. After going through it more, she added yogurt and fresh fruits and veggies instead of frozen. for only four items this girl spent 15 dollars. that would last her 2 days at most.

[Anonymous No.11461407]

Why is everyone so concerned about the cost of food, fuck people haven't been starving in a hundred years.

[Anonymous No.11461516]

>SNAP
>Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
>supplemental
>assistance
>"people have to live off just this for a week"

Now that really boggles my noggin

[Anonymous No.11461621]

>>11456996
The only smart purchase here were eggs.
>keep the eggs. a dozen is fine for a week.
>who the hell eats that much beans and rice in a week? that's a ton. But can still do better. Buy it in larger bulk bags. Will last much longer at a cheaper price, yielding more disposal income for future trips to the grocery. This first week, simply eat plainer.
>replace every vegetable with canned vegetables that have no preservatives. more vegetable per dollar, and won't go bad.
>no tortillas. No potato.
>Take all the money from not breaking the bank on fresh vegetables, and buy whole chickens. $0.69 per pound a kroger.
>Go to a McDonalds. Grab salt and pepper shakers and handfuls of condiments. Leave.
Viola.

[Anonymous No.11461629]

>>11460988
so do trailer park whites. Buy a pack of candy, some frozen french fries, and then cigs.

[Anonymous No.11461634]

>>11457805
>That's $20 a day
Wish I spent $20 a day on food.

[Anonymous No.11461743]

>>11456996
What I would have done:
4 1/3 lb. of broccoli: $5.21
x2 bunches of bananas: $2.60
x9 13.5 oz. packs of tofu: $11.61
x2 14 oz. bags of peanuts: $3.58
1 lb. of black beans: $0.89
x1 24 oz. container of grits: $2.09

$25.98 total

>>11457674
Cronometer

[Anonymous No.11461787]

>>11461069
Never made it, but somehow doubt water retention fluid + buttermilk + moss = mustard gas.
Here, have another pic from the same ancient thread I saved that one from.

>>11461743
Thanks for the site name, famalamadingdong.

[Anonymous No.11461838]

>>11457094
How many jobs are there? how many unemployed are there?
Math doesn't add up. Unemployment is not a choice.

[Anonymous No.11461852]

>>11461838
Are you for real? There's literal tens of thousands of unfilled jobs. The problem is that the jobs and the unemployed are at different places.
When presented with the choice of moving to make a living vs staying and living off of welfare, a LOT of people choose the latter.

[Anonymous No.11461863]

>>11457103
>5kg rice
$9.50 (Basmati is cheapest today)
>2kg onions
$2.50
>4kg potatos
$7.50 (unspecified variety)
>Enough tomato paste to last a long ass fucking time
500g for $1.25
>24 eggs
$8.40 (1.4kg)
>2 cans of any variety of beans I want
$1.60

I don't know why I doubted you, it's pretty fucking spot on.

[Anonymous No.11461868]

>>11461852
>moving to make a living vs staying and living off of welfare
How do people who live off welfare afford to move?

[Anonymous No.11461875]

>>11461868
1: It's not that expensive
B: Govt help
III: Help from their families
4: Help/room and board from future employer
+1: small loan

[Anonymous No.11461901]

>>11461852
>Are you for real? There's literal tens of thousands of unfilled jobs
20 times as many unemployed as job vacancies according to the Australian unemployed workers union.
Lol if you're American and think 10k jobs satisfies the 4% (fucking doubt it) of USA's 325 million people.

[Anonymous No.11461906]

>>11457453
>fucking KALE
cole greens are GOAT but you should be growing them yourself, along with swiss chard. no argument from me on lettuce though, dandelion is far superior

[Anonymous No.11462079]

>>11456996
All jewwood celebrities should be shot like the dogs they are

[Anonymous No.11462522]

>>11461901
I'm not American, and the tens of thousands was a guesstimate, I didn't look it up, but I know there are openings.

I have no idea what the Australian numbers have to do with the US.

Nobody (who knows anything about economics) wants 0% unemployment, it's not good for the economy.

And even then, out of the 4%, only the permanently unemployed matter, because otherwise the "unemployed", is a dynamically changing group. Most people are unemployed for some time or other in their lives, that doesn't mean they need to move.

[Anonymous No.11462829]

>>11456996
if you cook regularly there's nothing at all bad that she purchased (though I've known people to hold on to dry beans and rice for months, same with frozen peas, choosing to eat other things while they collect dust) but whatever prices she was getting are absurd compared to my experiences shopping in Chicagoland groceries. Those are like convenience-store-markup prices. I guess it's not like people in endemically-poor geographically-alienated communities have a more difficult and ironically-expensive time getting transportation to fresh groceries at fair market price, or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.11462896]

>>11457117
>we shouldn't build a wall because Mexicans will just sneak by it anyway

[Anonymous No.11462954]

>>11462896
we shouldn't build a wall because it's an immense drain on national resources wasted for a propagandagoal when what really accounts for the literal majority of cases is overstaying visitor or work visas. Better enforcement on airplanes happens to be cheaper and a better investment than billions in federal compulsory-purchase landgrabs and bombshell-handout contracts for whoever gets paid the billions to construct it. Every penny diverted to it is a taxpayer's penny being embezzled out of the services the government should be providing. One more penny wasted because it sounds cool when a conman said it.

[Anonymous No.11462972]

>>11462954
The immense amount of money wasted on social services for foreign races vastly overshadows anything from a single construction contract. The savings on future social services means the wall would pay for itself very quickly.

>muh taxpayer
Only retards give a fuck about that. The country is running trillion dollar deficits, and the total debt is rapidly ballooning into something that's never going to get paid back. It's not the taxpayer funding the govt budget these days, it's Schlomo on Wall Street, who is not getting paid back after bankruptcy.

[Anonymous No.11462990]

>>11462972
better spent somewhere else

[Anonymous No.11462993]

>>11456996
By spending most of the money on actual food rather than garnishes and salad ingredients

[Anonymous No.11463007]

>>11457190
>Eating out in some parts of Europe is like 5-6x more expensive than it is in most of the US, and that's how it should be
As a Eurofag who's been across the continent and visited NY and NJ, this is categorically wrong. Even ghetto tier fast food in Journal Square, Pajeetville was considerably more expensive than anythimg similar here in Holland, let alone Southern or Eastern Europe.

On that note, you guys really need to incorporate tax into the base price more consistently. Your shit's all fucked up.

[Anonymous No.11463107]

>>11457033
it would be much better to prevent people from having kids if they can't support them on their own or we could just ship em to europe

[Anonymous No.11463567]

>>11457488
could i just eat liver pate instead of other organs?

[Anonymous No.11463581]

>>11456996
lets start with a box of 10kg of chicken quarterlegs from the factory. for 13 euro. 5kg potatos for 3 euro. bags of dry beans 6 euro. spent the rest on cheap green veggies.

[Anonymous No.11463780]

>>11457602
>It was $34/week in 2016, but not sure what it is now.

I have a friend who works at UPS doing package handling. She says Trump slashed it, so when she applied a month ago, it was like $9/week for her.

[Anonymous No.11463792]

>>11456996
she could have given Harvey another blowjob and had millions more for food

[Anonymous No.11463796]

> 2018. Still believing in the "poverty = obesity" meme.

[Anonymous No.11464670]

>>11463796
>Rich men are slightly more obese than poor men.
>Poor women are much more obese than rich women.
>Overall, poor people are more obese than rich people
What exactly were you trying to prove with this chart?

[Anonymous No.11465166]

>>11456996
>$29 of potatoes, butter, n salt
Buy the rest with the money you make from YOUR JOB.

It's SUPPLEMENTARY. You're llucky to get anything

[Anonymous No.11465172]

>>11457033
No. That's the parent's duty

[Anonymous No.11465183]

>>11463796
> those black obesity rates

I thought american blacks were all supposed to be fit as fuck, run fast, & jump high???

[Anonymous No.11465373]

She's probably had half those eggs up her chuff. And the yam.

[Anonymous No.11465397]

>>11456996
This is a terrible dollar / calorie ratio. If you have $29 a week either just buy flour and cook that shit with water, or buy a shit ton of rice.

[Anonymous No.11465448]

>>11465183
that is the bucks. We bought bucks to be obedient farm equipment. The other thing we bought was giant mammies that were used to breed more bucks.

[Anonymous No.11465469]

>>11456996
>Big ass bag of rice
>Big ass bag of the cheapest dry beans you can find
>Eggs by the fuckton
And I garuntee you'll have money left over for a little fruit for something sweet.

[Anonymous No.11465493]

>>11458214
Most celebrities lean left because that's what Hollywood tells them to do. And if they don't the get ostracized.
Not even a trump supporter but that's the way it is.
Really with there were a SANE alternative to the liberal hive-mind of Hollywood.

[Anonymous No.11465579]

>>11465493


Kill yourself

you stupid piece of shit

[Anonymous No.11465805]

>>11456996
Ramen & tuna.

[Anonymous No.11465827]

>>11457488
>not buying a big thing of beef and 10 packs of hamburger helper

[Anonymous No.11466012]

>>11462829
USA has food subsidies in order to keep agriculture national despite "local" third world labour to the south. This is not the case for equally wealthy and population dense cities around the world.
Here in pseudo America there is a supermarket duopoly that undercut and therefore bankrupt all independent grocers and then hiked up the prices.
And lastly there's the food standards trade-off. Less safety is cheaper. From international trade disagreements its seems USA produce is less regulated (and therefore less safe) than EU which is less safe than Aus (unless it is imported, in which case we are China tier).

[Anonymous No.11466023]

>>11462972
Non-citizens / permanent residents don't receive benefits. Isn't that the bulk of the cost?

[Anonymous No.11466362]

>>11462972
You're an idiot. Jose, the illegal immigrant picking lettuce for $8/hour paid more taxes than your orange emperor billionaire who admitted he pays none. But Jose gets no benefits, unlike Commander in Chief Bone Spur, unless he has a kid.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes%3fcontext=amp

[Anonymous No.11466527]

AYE YO THIS NIGGA EATIN LIMES

[Anonymous No.11466765]

>>11457033
Takes like three days to get a job. Maybe you should just git gud.

[Anonymous No.11467048]

>>11457033
Yes, but we're unethical so

[Anonymous No.11467059]

>>11456996
you deserve to starve if you decided to have kids while being that poor.

[Anonymous No.11467522]

>>11456996
In CA if you are on foodstamps (CalFresh) and you have just gotten your card reloaded you can get up to $480 for your monthly benefit. That's a lot of groceries if you go to places like WinCo, Trader Joe's or Costco. Gwyneth don't know what she's talking about.