/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11381581]

Honest thoughts on vegans and veganism?

[Anonymous No.11381588]

They are ethically superior, live 10 years longer on average, have better heart health thus stronger boners and trigger cognitive dissonance in incels.

[Anonymous No.11381589]

I'm vegan every other week. I'm cool with people who are always vegan, working on getting there myself eventually.

[Anonymous No.11381591]

>>11381588
>live 10 years longer on average
This is a negative trait in first world countries

[Anonymous No.11381592]

>>11381589
Do you carry around your s 0 y in a purse?

[Anonymous No.11381593]

>>11381588
But I'm a vegan incel.

[Anonymous No.11381598]

>>11381592
No, just normal stuff like wallet, cell phone, keys in my bag. I keep miso paste and soy sauce in my fridge like a sane person.

[Anonymous No.11381601]

>>11381581
the difference between being vegan and eating a normal diet is whether or not you want to pretend to give a shit about animals or the environment

[Anonymous No.11381602]

>>11381581
As long as they aren't treating it as part of their identity and more so part of their lifestyle i can respect them.

T. vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.11381604]

Vegans are pathological liars, but their food isn’t always terrible.

[Anonymous No.11381605]

vegetarians > cumsucker virtue signaling wannabes who eat processed trash

[Anonymous No.11381608]

>>11381602
Homosexuals should be the same. Seen but not heard.

[Anonymous No.11381610]

>>11381592
>trying to get around a wordfilter that doesn't apply to /ck/
Fuck off back to your containment board.

[Anonymous No.11381611]

[Anonymous No.11381617]

>>11381610

[Anonymous No.11381622]

>>11381610
>#timesup

[Anonymous No.11381624]

>>11381602

[Anonymous No.11381633]

reminder that plants feel

[Anonymous No.11381634]

>>11381588
>the ethical issues of eating meat

What ethical issues? Fuck them. They are weak beta soylets that will die out in the coming climate shift.

>live 10 years longer on average
Objectively wrong.

> have better heart health thus stronger boners
Those two are not directly related, also that is not true in general.

[Anonymous No.11381915]

I don't like vegans with 3 exceptions.

[Anonymous No.11381917]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTm9LgnHGxM

This is for all you vegans itt.

[Anonymous No.11381918]

>>11381581
To me they are in the same boat as gays: good to have around because that means more meat/women for me

[Anonymous No.11382260]

>>11381918
Post hand

[Anonymous No.11382280]

>>11381918
No woman would fuck you regardless of how many fags or vegans exist

[Anonymous No.11382285]

>>11381581

[Anonymous No.11382290]

>>11381581
Unless there is a good reason these people tend to be the most kind of tedious, opinionated, fart sniffing directly from the asshole faggots I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. I feel the worst for the children of vegans, not even breast feeding there poor, failure to thrive, children because muh ideals.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy meatless meals all the time, but alot of these people take it as some kind of religion rather then a healthy lifestyle choice and god forbid you tread on that ideal.

[Anonymous No.11382298]

>>11381634
I honk that article is wrong. They've got it backwards. Being vegan doesn't cause mental illness, but you'd have to be retarded to become a vegan in the first place.

[Anonymous No.11382301]

Humans lack the enzymes to digest cellulose meaning that 65% of the plant (the fat and protein) passes through the digestive system intact, meaning that there are 50 nutrients that you cannot get from a plant-based diet. This is why vegans are usually mentally ill, they're starving and are constantly high on sugar and dozens of toxic "supplements" which are basically just pharmaceutical chemicals made to slowly kill you.

Also, this "ethical" bullshit with eating meat is complete idiotic nonsense, trying to separate yourself from nature as some kind of transcendant being is a sign of mental illness. Animals kill each other all the time, morals don't exist in nature.

[Anonymous No.11382308]

>>11382301
>Humans lack the enzymes to digest cellulose meaning that 65% of the plant (the fat and protein) passes through the digestive system intact, meaning that there are 50 nutrients that you cannot get from a plant-based diet

Durrrrrrrrrr

[Anonymous No.11382311]

>>11381581
I'll respect them and their diet as long as they aren't being assholes about it and actively trying to convert others. Knew a vegan girl in school and we used to have debates about it, but she never tried to get me to become vegan and outside of our diets we remained good friends until graduation.

[Anonymous No.11382313]

>>11382308
Feel free to link any study that suggests the opposite, because this has been a scientific fact for decades. Plant fibre is indigestible and rots in your intestines, that's why vegans constantly shit and fart like ruminants, except ruminants actually acquire nutrition from plants.

[Anonymous No.11382317]

I've started to go mostly vegetarian, not plans on going full vegan. Makes the infrequent meat dishes seem like much more of a treat than a staple. Weight loss and health is my motivation.

[Anonymous No.11382319]

>>11382301
Get em anon, NPCs can't logic there way out of that one.

[Anonymous No.11382320]

>>11382317
>weight loss
Just do intermittent fasting and caloric restrictions, brainlet. Weight loss has nothing to do with what you eat and everything to do with how much you eat.

[Anonymous No.11382322]

>>11382319
Why this defensive irony? Can you point out what's wrong about those statements?

[Anonymous No.11382325]

>>11382319
Vegans are the ultimate NPCs, they never question their unnatural diet because their big pharma masters want them to become sick and die from malnutrition like slaves.

[Anonymous No.11382328]

>>11382313
>make retarded claims with no evidence

>YOU MUST PROVE IT WRONG

[Anonymous No.11382330]

>>11382328
Vegan IQ at work right here.

[Anonymous No.11382336]

>>11382328
http://science.jrank.org/pages/1335/Cellulose-Cellulose-digestion.html
This is literally basic human biology, how fucking retarded are you?

[Anonymous No.11382337]

>>11382330
Yep :)

[Anonymous No.11382341]

>>11382337
Vegetarian arent vegans.

[Anonymous No.11382342]

>>11382337
What's the correlation with veganism/vegetarianism?

[Anonymous No.11382343]

>>11382337
Post the source for that

[Anonymous No.11382347]

>>11382336
Humans can’t digest cellulose, that is independent from the effects of insoluble and soluble fibers, so what does that have to do with these 50 nutrients? Why are you so retarded?

[Anonymous No.11382349]

>>11382322
Oh i Agree with the statements in >>11382301
what my post was about was more to the nature of the individual who chooses this radically destructive and unsustainable without the use of pharmaceuticals lifestyles such as veganism. I also made this point in my post >>11382290

Veganism is a marketing ploy meant to sell products to people who otherwise would never need them unless they don't eat a complete and balanced diet. The said truth of this is most people who start out and try as vegetarians go back and forth all, I see no problem with this myself. Vegans on the other hand tend to be the most self-righteous idealistic and closed minded of the subject because they are sooooo sure they have a command of the subject and their chair picked data points are proof positive that veganism is wholly healthy and eating meat is barbaric.

[Anonymous No.11382355]

>>11382343
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17175567/

[Anonymous No.11382359]

>>11382349
>m-muh science boogeyman

*takes statins for his crippling atherosclerosis*

[Anonymous No.11382361]

>>11381581
Pussy food for pussy people.

[Anonymous No.11382363]

>>11382355
There's a few problems with that. 1970 nutritional knowledge was not nearly as advanced as it is today and veganism wasn't a social media phenomenon adopted by teenagers like you who think going vegan makes them more intelligent.

[Anonymous No.11382366]

>>11382363
Lol what does any of that have to do with their IQ?
Are you just saying you were born retarded is why you eat meat or growing up eating meat MADE you retarded?

[Anonymous No.11382367]

>>11382359
Many plants contain antinutrients like phytic acid which make absorption of minerals harder. You're not getting lots of iron in your body just because there is lots of it in spinach.

[Anonymous No.11382369]

>>11382337
n1 = 3k
n2 = 65
Niiiiice

[Anonymous No.11382371]

>>11382366
It has to do with their IQ because in 1970 vegetarianism was an ethical decision. Today an educated, high-IQ person wouldn't adopt a diet that is known to deprive you of nutrients. Also, you are not one of those 65 people. If you are content with vegetarians being smart in 1970, ok, but I'm pretty sure you were hoping to be smart yourself.

[Anonymous No.11382372]

>>11382367
Phytic acids are also potent antioxidants, the biggest thing they inhibit is iron and the levels of which they inhibit it are of no problem for anyone who doesn’t subside on beans only. Did you know Vitamin C increases iron absorption? Probably not because you’re VERY stupid

[Anonymous No.11382373]

>>11382372
I did know, but vegetarians aren't getting lots of iron, magnesium, zinc etc. That's why they have to supplement.

[Anonymous No.11382374]

>>11382371
So I’m guessing the answer is that you were born retarded.

[Anonymous No.11382376]

>>11382374
I'm guessing beyond this one image you have no argument, which was obvious before your last post.

[Anonymous No.11382381]

>>11382359
>If youre not a vegan, you must be a fat unhealthy fuck who only eats McDonald's and KFC.
This is what vegans unironically believe lmao

[Anonymous No.11382382]

>>11382373
You don’t have to supplement those at all. People who eat junk food do because thats all they choose to eat

[Anonymous No.11382383]

>>11382359
Its called a balanced diet faggot. Can you say the words "Complete and Balanced diet?

Good like trying to get a decent physique without the right proteins, fats and carbs provided by a balanced diet. I have seen ex-junkies with hep-c with a better physique then most vegans after year one on there crazy trip to malnourishment town.

[Anonymous No.11382385]

>>11382382
You can be a meat eater without eating junk food only.

[Anonymous No.11382386]

>>11382376
>veggie no good for brain!

>Evidently it is

>that no count!!!

Powerful carnist IQ

[Anonymous No.11382387]

>>11382383
>Good like trying to get a decent physique without the right proteins, fats and carbs provided by a balanced diet
Ah yes, macronutrients, found in no vegetables.

[Anonymous No.11382390]

>>11382386
Lmao. Do meat eaters not eat vegetables now? Does that 50 year old study prove a causation of higher IQ by a vegetable-only diet? You don't even know how to interpret the arguments you saved from your vegan facebook group.

[Anonymous No.11382391]

>>11382376
Yup, typical NPC. Pop there the little bubble they live in and their whole world goes to shit. Bet Xer is literally shaking right now and reporting a hate crime.

[Anonymous No.11382392]

>>11382390
>veggie dumb!

>Well here’s some evidence that says otherwise

>veggie dumb!!!!!! it too old!!!

[Anonymous No.11382394]

>>11382391
You are always welcome to make an ontopic comment if you are able, I'm waiting.

[Anonymous No.11382397]

>>11382392
I'm guessing you're false-flagging at this point.

[Anonymous No.11382401]

>>11382397
Yeah sure, whatever makes you not wet yourself crying, little boy.

[Anonymous No.11382405]

>>11382387
Yeah, in levels which can not sustain the performance required to get fit. Tell me, how many supplements do you need to take to stave off anemia.

[Anonymous No.11382407]

>>11382401
Would you try to answer my previous question instead of spamming your epic vegan science folder?
>Does that 50 year old study prove a causation of higher IQ by a vegetable-only diet?

[Anonymous No.11382411]

>>11382405
>Yeah, in levels which can not sustain the performance required to get fat
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.11382415]

>>11382407
Why are you completely ignoring the fact that your snide insinuation got completely debunked? >>11382330

What does age have to do with anything? Is gravity debunked too because it’s old?

[Anonymous No.11382420]

>>11382411
I love how you avoid all the points people are making which blow your whole bullshit lifestyle choice out of the water. I'll piss on your early grave for you, keep straining your body and the cost of your lifespan you sad little man.

[Anonymous No.11382423]

>>11382415
Ayeeee, hive mind.
HIVE MIND HIGH FIVE!

[Anonymous No.11382426]

>>11382420
Oh yeah all those points saying vegans suck those totally have me bamboozled

[Anonymous No.11382429]

>>11382415
Even ignoring the difference between veganism and vegetarianism you must consider the reasons for why people adopt such a diet. 50 years ago, when it wasn't even known that second hand cigarette smoke is dangerous to non-smokers, people didn't go vegetarian for health reasons (brain health is a part of that), but for ethical reasons. Today, veganism is a meme movement adopted by many easily influenced teens and retards. That's why the results certainly wouldn't be the same today.

[Anonymous No.11382432]

>>11382423
Looks like the low T carniecuck has been broken. Sad!

[Anonymous No.11382433]

>>11382426
How many supplements do you take to stay healthy? Simple question.

[Anonymous No.11382438]

>>11381588
fpbp

[Anonymous No.11382441]

>>11382429
You do realize this was a study about kids raised on these diets, right?

I think you should reconsider your high IQ theory, buddy

[Anonymous No.11382446]

>>11382441
The title of the article is literally "IQ in childhood and vegetarianism in adulthood"

[Anonymous No.11382450]

>>11382446
And if you bothered actually reading the study you’d realize this has nothing to do with trendiness like you imply because the people were RAISED on the diet

[Anonymous No.11382453]

>>11382433
I have to take supplements for protein, fat, carbohydrates, and oxygen. Just like you guys said!

[Anonymous No.11382455]

>>11381581
I'm vegan, but I love meat. That is because I love all edible things, I love food. I want to taste everything in the world. I want to taste horse, all the different insects, dog, cat, bat, rat, human, baby human, monkey, every exotic fruit and vegetable, basically everything that is digestible, and relatively healthy. I love oysters, anything out of the sea, game meat, etc. etc.

So I will never miss an opportunity to eat good or interesting food - be it meat, vegetable, seafood, etc. And chances are, whatever restaurant I go to with friends / co-workers will not have good vegan/vegetarian dishes. Chefs really don't care about making good vegetable dishes.. Since the overriding notion is that a meal isn't complete without meat, and that meat should be the centerpiece. Also, the world is rich enough to eat meat every meal, so vegetable heavy dishes with little-to-no quantities of meat are disappearing

But since I cook for myself everyday, and I can't possibly afford good food everyday, my diet is vegan. Usually a base of rice + beans, (or any carb + protein) topped with an assortment of 4-5 vegetables, and an assortment of seeds. Throw some peppers, onions, garlic, mushrooms in the oven, olive oil, salt, and in 30 minutes you have a complete meal, at a cheap price.

It's economical, it's more sustainable environmentally, it's better for my health, and it helps me to control my weight.

I don't think it makes sense to be 100% completely vegan, asking if a birthday cake has any egg in it or bs like that. It's okay to eat meat / dairy products once in a while, and I think it even hurts the cause to be like those annoying 100% vegan people who annoy others about the morality of eating meat. It should be seen as a luxury, not as some incredibly evil thing, since it comes at such a high cost. (cost as in, price per calorie, as well as its environmental impact, and impact on your health)

[Anonymous No.11382459]

How many supplements do you take to stay healthy? Simple question.

[Anonymous No.11382460]

I have to supplement Super Male Vitality if i want to stop the globalists

[Anonymous No.11382461]

>>11382459
vegetarian, the only supplement I take is B12

[Anonymous No.11382466]

>>11382450
First, it has everything to do with trendiness TODAY, obviously not 50 years ago. Second, the only thing I'm seeing is this:
>Although our results suggest that children who are more intelligent may be more likely to become vegetarian as adolescents or as young adults, it does not rule out the possibility that such a diet might have some beneficial effect on subsequent cognitive performance. Might the nature of the vegetarians' diet in this cohort have enhanced their apparently superior brain power?
That doesn't seem like much of a conclusion, right? And still, this was 50 years ago. A modern study wouldn't even ask that question.

[Anonymous No.11382477]

>>11382466
>it has to because i said so

>that doesn’t seem like much of a conclusion
It at the very least quashes the original post about IQ, which was the whole point, but once that argument was lost you just pretended it didn’t happen and then you shifted to this

>A modern study wouldn't even ask that question.
Right, because you’re very smart and informed, sweetie, you’re a big boy and Ms. Johnson says you raise your hand a lot and participate in class.

[Anonymous No.11382482]

>>11382477
Yes, I am actually informed about nutrition. It's a wonderful benefit of living in the age of internet. As a vegan you should try it some time.
>It at the very least quashes the original post about IQ
How? Do you still not understand that a large crowd of teens and retards influenced by facebook posts about the benefits of veganism and instagram pics of crying cows will not have the same IQ as a group of individuals choosing vegetarianism by themselves, for ethical reasons, as "adolescents or young adults" (not children raised on this diet)?

[Anonymous No.11382496]

>>11382482
>Yes, I am actually informed about nutrition.
BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>muh unsupported constantly shifting arguments!!!

[Anonymous No.11382504]

>>11382496
I think I explained at least three times why a group of 1970 vegetarians is not representative of modern day vegans. How did I "shift my arguments"? What else is not clear to you?

[Anonymous No.11382507]

>>11382504
I know for a fact that I’ve explained three times that no matter what argument you’re shifting to this time it’s completely and utterly irrelevant because i’ve already soundly dismissed it

[Anonymous No.11382514]

>>11381581
>>11382504
>>11382496
just eat more vegetables man. You really don't need to eat bacon eggs and cheese for breakfast with a glass of milk, and then another 3-4 mixture of meat/dairy products for lunch and dinner.

Meat's fine, it just shouldn't replace vegetables. Meat should be a supplement to a vegetable-heavy meal, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.11382515]

>>11382507
I should summarize:
1) a group of 1970 vegetarians is not representative of modern day vegans
2) the study does not prove a causation of higher IQ by a vegetarian diet, it only asks a vague question >>11382466
3) the smart vegetarians from that study were not raised on a vegetarian diet but were "more likely to become vegetarian as adolescents or as young adults"
If you still don't see that this article doesn't disprove any claims about modern vegans' IQ you are beyond help.

[Anonymous No.11382522]

>>11382515
I am summarizing for the final time. I’m not liable to any of your following tears and bed wetting

Read these two posts again VERY CAREFULLY and they will answer your concerns and ever changing arguments (probably not)

>>11382450
>>11382477

[Anonymous No.11382527]

>>11382522
I did and answered each of your concerns. You have not understood what the article is saying. They were NOT raised vegetarians. Even if they WERE, there is no proof of causation, just a scientifically worthless question (which modern medicine EASILY dismisses).

[Anonymous No.11382561]

>>11382459
>>11382301
>>11382373
>>11382405
nobody gives a shit about nutrients until the discussion of veganism/vegetarianism comes up. go stuff ur face w cheetos and mcdonalds and shut f up.

[Anonymous No.11382589]

>>11382561
>>11382561
Balanced diet pal. say it with me.
B A L A N C E D D I E T

I hope you don't have kids and indoctrinate them into your crazy lifestyle choices, that would be child abuse.

[Anonymous No.11382621]

Aww, worn out from all that heavy typing. Hows that half-diet working out for you? Need a nap or are you just goina pill up you half retarded waste of flesh.

[Anonymous No.11382628]

>>11382589
A balanced diet of fruits and vegetables

[Anonymous No.11382631]

Doesn't bother me as long as you're not preaching to me about it.
Saged and reported ;^)

[Anonymous No.11382638]

>>11382628
Not a balanced diet pill head.

Here ya go. Read up when you stop feeling dizzy.
https://www.healthline.com/health/balanced-diet#calories

[Anonymous No.11382647]

>>11382638
>healthline

When you stop wheezing from your fat clogging your entire body, maybe you can think for a second and find some legitimate research

[Anonymous No.11382666]

>>11382647
Oh I am fit buddy. Don't smoke, consume processed foods, drink or use drugs. Healthy body is Health Mind, something you would know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.11382669]

>>11382589
I don't get your point? We have the same argument basically.
Nobody mentions
B A L A N C E D D I E T
or
N U T R I T I O N
until vegan/vegetarianism comes up. Lasagna for dinner, which is basically just meat and cheese and flour, seems to be perfectly fine. Steak with fries, and green beans? Chicken with pasta and cheese sauce, and some salad? Hamburger, with lettuce and tomato counting as "vegetables?
The typical American diet is not "balanced." Nobody mentions this until veganism is brought up.

[Anonymous No.11382671]

>>11382666
Ahahahaha, although with satanic trips your soul looks like its on the menu tonight.

[Anonymous No.11382674]

>>11382666
>Healthy body is Health Mind
Oof, evidently not in your case

[Anonymous No.11382695]

>>11382669
Nobody has a problem with a 90-95% plant based diet, eliminate that minute amount and people go so batshit insane thinking you just tried raping them

[Anonymous No.11382701]

>>11382695
*minute remaining percentage

[Anonymous No.11382709]

>>11382674
The only thing thats evident here is the fact that you can't support your argument veganism being healthy and avoid valid points made by others because you simply stops your argument cold.

Eat a fucking steak and get over yourself, your not saving the world, the cute little critters, or the environment. Your only harming yourself and making a fool of yourself for ideals so out of the mainstream I would say is borderline needing to be put into a 72 hour hold to evaluate your health and if you need supervision or therapy to stop your self-harming behavior.

I gotta go to the gym and then im goina eat a rib eye steak, some roasted baby red potatoes with rosemary, Brussels sprouts with horseradish and a little garden salad with, sadly, whats left from my garden for the season....

Otherwise known as a balanced diet. God bless you and seek help.

[Anonymous No.11382710]

>>11381581

Never met one. I don't think they really exist.

[Anonymous No.11382715]

>>11382695
But before I go, this.

[Anonymous No.11382718]

[Anonymous No.11382719]

>>11382709
>avoid valid points
Such as?

>waaaah waaah i hate vegans im running away!!!
Lol faggot

[Anonymous No.11382723]

>>11382710
I've met three vegans, 1 lived off potato chips and was obese and the other two ate bacon cheeseburgers on the sly. It's all virtue signalling like pretending to believe in global warming or liking nignogs

[Anonymous No.11382727]

>>11382709
Why do meat eaters get so triggered?

[Anonymous No.11382728]

I've known one vegan who was a decent guy. The other ones are along the lines of what gets made fun of. They're insufferable.

[Anonymous No.11382729]

>>11381581
>>11382715

[Anonymous No.11382732]

>>11382723
>LOL DUDE I EAT MEAT IM SO MANLY IM SO SECURE IN MYSELF GUYS HEY GUYS

Virtue signalling

>drumpf voters are obese carniecucks and racist climate deniers

Imagine my shock

[Anonymous No.11382736]

>>11382729
>screeching meat eating retard is a poltard

It writes itself

[Anonymous No.11382738]

>>11382695
It's just carnist insecurity. Deep down they know they're wrong both morally and environmentaly, so anyone who distinguishes themselves by opting out of their death cult tribe of relentless slaughter and destruction is viewed as a threat because it exposes them for what they really are.

[Anonymous No.11382741]

God gave man dominion over all animals.
Unless you have serious health issues where you cannot eat meat its complete self wankery.

[Anonymous No.11382742]

>>11382723

It always seemed like the kind of thing you'd encounter in the inner-city types of areas, but only if you lived there for long enough. Somehow, I never managed to stay in one for longer than a month, and so these veganposters always come across as garden-variety trolls. Maybe there are people that act like this in their everyday lives, but it seems an awful waste of time to try to bully people who enjoy a bologna sandwich more than an assembly of kale and spinach.

[Anonymous No.11382745]

>>11382741
>God
Cringe

>not poisoning yourself, the environment around you, and life itself is self-wankery

Found the virtue signalling drumpf voter who likes to remind everyone how humble he is

[Anonymous No.11382796]

>>11382732
That post says nothing about him being obese though, just that one vegan he knows is obese.

[Anonymous No.11382798]

>>11382796
>the post says nothing about him being obese
Is this unironic or deep layered satirical autism?

[Anonymous No.11382801]

>>11381581
their body, their choice, my body my choices, when they start telling me what i can do, they can fuck right off, until then i dont give them a single thought

[Anonymous No.11382807]

>>11382798
Cringy passive-aggressive remarks won't change the fact that the post in question only mentions a vegan being obese, making the inference of its author being obese himself nothing but a strawman.

[Anonymous No.11382813]

>>11382807
Being a crippling autist doesn't change the fact there was no implication whether or not he said he was obese had anything to do with calling him obese

>stop calling him names!!!!
Get your diaper changed

[Anonymous No.11382818]

Isn't the consumption of meat itself, is the mass production and breeding of animal as if they were objects, it destroys the environment and the end result is a mediocre meat.

[Anonymous No.11382824]

>>11382818
>caring about other people
What self-wankery

[Anonymous No.11382827]

>>11382824
Anatta.

[Anonymous No.11382832]

>>11382386
>>11382392
holy fuck dude stop you're getting destroyed in this conversation.

[Anonymous No.11382840]

>>11382813
Woah, the soyboy seema rather upset. Perhaps that's what altering your reading comprehension, here:

>drumpf voters are obese carniecucks and racist climate deniers

>Imagine my shock

[Anonymous No.11382843]

>>11382832
No, that'd actually be meat eaters

[Anonymous No.11382850]

>>11382840
>seema rather upset

You seema rather frustrated, layoffa da gabagool, youa fat autistic sack ofa shit! Oh!!!

[Anonymous No.11382856]

Ignoring pretty much every post here since I'm sure there's pretty much nothing but studies conflicting with other studies and bait.

Factory farms are fucked up and in dire need of reform, halal/kosher butchery is barbaric, animals that give their life for yours should be treated with the respect due that sacrifice, etc. I get the idea behind veganism/vegetarianism. That said, every single vegan recipe I come across seems to be either trying desperate, molecular gastronomy-tier culinary gymnastics trying to get a half-assed reproduction of non-vegan food, or otherwise relies on a ton of disparate, exotic materials to attempt to be nutritionally complete. It seems like it's not worth the effort, and not something practical for anyone below the upper middle-class. That said, i don't REQUIRE meat/animal products in my meals, if something happens to be vegan/vegetarian or whatever and looks tasty, i'd at least give it a try.

With regards to vegans/vegetarians: I give the least amount of fucks possible with regards to what some fucking rando eats. If you want to sphereize vital wheat gluten and snort powderized lentil squeezings for lunch, be my guest.

On the other hand, the proselytizing cocksmokes that use it as an ideology (who seem to only use it as a way to feel morally superior to others) can just fuck right off. If they were really actually interested in converting people to their dietary religion they would make vegan food cheaper and more accessible, not treat people that put honey in they tea as if they have a half dozen little niglets chained in their basement for use as cocksleeves.

[Anonymous No.11382862]

>>11382856
>rice, beans, bananas, potatoes, broccoli sprouts, oats

All vegan, all nutritious, all dirt cheap, all very accessible

[Anonymous No.11382873]

>>11382850
Cheeto-eating vegan lardass triggered.

[Anonymous No.11382877]

>>11382873
>cheetos
Not vegan.

[Anonymous No.11382888]

>>11382862
So are greens, seeds, nuts and fruit. Fuck, one of my favorite meals happens to be a simple salad. Im not saying there arent accessible vegan foods (shit, the poorest among us are probably vegan out of necessity simply because they cant get anything but grains). There was an entire other half of that sentence that was important too.

[Anonymous No.11382902]

>>11381588
Literally what is wrong with killing animals. I get the it's better for environmental and health but I don't get the ethics argument.

[Anonymous No.11382908]

>>11382902
Ethics are not important, if it was ethic to kill yourself you still shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.11382928]

>>11382718
yeaaaaah, gotta get more tennis racquet strings
and who could live without crayons, breed & kill more cows

[Anonymous No.11382937]

>>11382928
The entire chart is bullshit

>Hooves and horns: Plant foods
Lol

[Anonymous No.11383262]

>Non Vegan makes hilariously stupid claim
>Other non vegans lap it up like it is God sent science

There is a conspiracy against Vegans. I am sorry to say it, because it sounds paranoid, but it is the truth. This is obvious when you look at the way the agenda of the meat and dairy industry has been attacking us in the last few years. There are several steps to this antivegan conspiracy

>Studies
The Milk and Dairy industry funds HUNDREDS of studies per year to make Veganism look bad. The funny thing is this barely works. Most of these studies have to be thrown out and nobody knows about them. And when they do get published they are crap. For example, a study published by I Can't Believe Its Not Butter last year showed that Butter actually INCREASES risk of dementia despite a budget of $4 million dollars to prove they had a healthier product than the Vegan butters we enjoy

>Made up nutrients
Before the last few years NOBODY had heard of Carnosine, NOBODY had heard of coenzyme Q10, NOBODY had heard of Taurine. None of these nutrients actually exist. This is a scam to push both supplements and meat to people who don't want them, ethically superior people like us Vegans. This is a fucking scandal

>Dehumanising livestock
For most people, livestock are seen as wonderful and beautiful creatures, but the meat and dairy industry dehumanises them with stereotypes and lies. For example you've surely heard the myth that pigs can eat a human body very quickly? This is a lie. Pigs won't eat any meat. This was made up to make pigs look bad. You've also heard that sheep habitually commit rape? This is a another LIE spread by the meat and dairy industry

This is sad. Veganism is the ultimate diet. Healthy and ethical. The people in charge cannot handle losing everything. And you listen to them?

[Anonymous No.11383274]

>>11383262
Veganism is a privilege of the rich, you entitled fuck.

[Anonymous No.11383277]

I can't say I'm vegan, as I eat meat about once or twice a week. That said, since I've been borrowing recipes and techniques from /r/vegan and other vegan recipe sharing spots, I've felt much more alert, healthier, and happier. My weight loss is dramatic, and I just feel lighter after meals.

The ethics side of things doesn't concern me. I'm just focused on my health and not causing myself too many future health problems by consuming animal byproducts. That said, meat is delicious, so when I go out to eat, I often order meat still. I just cook and prepare plant-based meals at home (95% of my meals).

[Anonymous No.11383279]

>>11383274
heinz beans,
the ultimate luxury, caviars got nothin' on'em

[Anonymous No.11383302]

>>11383262
>There is a conspiracy against whites. I am sorry to say it, because it sounds paranoid, but it is the truth. This is obvious when you look at the way the agenda of the liberals and globalists has been attacking us in the last few years. There are several steps to this antiwhite conspiracy

This is what it sounds like to be ideologically possessed.

[Anonymous No.11383309]

One of the healthiest most fit people I know is vegan. She has her diet in total control and can leg press me at 180. Surfer chick, hyper-athletic.

Every other vegan I've met appears malnourished, anemic. I don't know what it is that differentiates them but I legitimately think if you do not have the right diet you get sick.

[Anonymous No.11383311]

>>11383279
Typical flippant elitist vegan attitude.

[Anonymous No.11383331]

>>11381624
That screenshot is so fucking autistic holy shit.

[Anonymous No.11383355]

>>11383302
This is what it looks like to be a stupid fat fuck on damage control

[Anonymous No.11383375]

>>11383355
Yeah, you ad that hom. Ad it right the fuck up, totally helps your case.

[Anonymous No.11383389]

>>11383375
>as he compares evidence based veganism to some completely unrelated white conspiracy

Yeah, bullet your brain, fatso

[Anonymous No.11383445]

>>11383389
I'm sorry she lost too, anon.

[Anonymous No.11383455]

>>11383445
Yeah, you ad that hom. Ad it right the fuck up, totally helps your case.

Huh?

[Anonymous No.11383498]

>>11383331
It's fucking hilarious. Vegetarians receive zero health benefits and most just replace meat with eggs and cheese. They eat tons of it. There's no moral justification nor benefit for being vegetarian in the age of factory farming.

[Anonymous No.11383619]

>>11382937
Are you pretending to be retarded, or did you really not know that?

[Anonymous No.11383897]

>>11383355
It's pretty funny how vegans are so quickly to calll people fat here when every other vegan you see in vegan rallies' pictures looks overweight.

[Anonymous No.11383905]

>>11383897
quick*

[Anonymous No.11383915]

If your parents didn't cook with a lot of vegetables, it's super worth it to go vegan for about a year. Going vegan right when I moved out for a year was what got me into cooking. It was cool to learn stir fry, but also learning to make almond based sauces. That being said, if you already know how to cook with vegetables and get enough of them, I think veganism is super limiting and not all that fun. But man our planet is gonna be gone soon from carbon emissions and I'm worried.

[Anonymous No.11383919]

>>11381581
Vegan food is some of the best food I've ever tasted but is shitty as a lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.11383927]

>>11381581
You do you but don't force your bullshit on me.

[Anonymous No.11383929]

>>11383915
>vegan
>cooking
just eat that shit raw, cooking leaches out the nutrients in vegetals

[Anonymous No.11383952]

>>11383929
I guess for some. But we are discussing veganism, not a raw diet.
Also there are a lot of vegetables that really do need to be cooked to maximize the nutrients your body can take in. And I'm really talking anyways about cooking for the sake of enjoying cooking and making meals you love.

[Anonymous No.11383958]

>>11383929
Dr. Sebi agrees. Eat raw alkaline diet to clear the body of mucus which is the root cause of ALL illness and disease

[Anonymous No.11383962]

How the fuck do you dehumanize something that was nonhuman in the first place?

[Anonymous No.11383966]

>>11383274
Eating meat is a privilege of the rich, you entitled fuck. U think Chinese rice farmers wake up to a breakfast of eggs bacon sausage cheese and milk? That's literally 4 different animals that have to be fed for years, and then slaughtered, just for one meal for one person. No farm can handle that kinda demand without modern slaughterhouses and feedlots.

Every society up until a few decades ago were on a largely plant based diet. You can't eat meat at every meal without the capitalist mechanisms we have today.

[Anonymous No.11383997]

>>11383966
>capitalist mechanisms
Those same mechanisms that have done more to alleviate humans from abject poverty than anything else in history ever has?

[Anonymous No.11384038]

>>11383997
Exactly. That same mechanism.

Retard. Anyone mentioning the word "capitalism" makes you think of commies doesn't it? Cuz you've never heard it in anywhere else, like say, in a book. There's no value judgement in what I wrote. Retard.

Retard.

[Anonymous No.11384050]

>>11384038
Read you first paragraph. It's all value judgements, Mao. No one mentioned gomminusm but you, retard.

[Anonymous No.11384052]

>>11381581
I don't fucking care and neither should you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.11384067]

>>11381581
>Honest thoughts on vegans and veganism?

Modern veganism is just another upper middle class, white people's fad that's ingrained in insecurity, neurosis, vanity, & moral judgement. It will pass.

[Anonymous No.11384074]

The ultimate redpill is hunting and fishing, factory farms are atrocities but healthy indulgence in your natural predatory instincts is good for your overall health

[Anonymous No.11384078]

>>11384050
That's not a value judgement you retard, that's just a lotta curse words and aggressive language.

Here, no bad words for you sensitive types:
"Capitalism, along with technology, allow the richer parts of the world to eat meat on a regular basis. No place that doesn't benefit from either of those mechanisms can eat meat on a regular basis - it would strain their resources way too much and therefore would be unsustainable to even try."
Retard.

[Anonymous No.11384088]

>>11384067

This.

[Anonymous No.11384094]

>>11383966
>>11383997
It isn't capitalism, numbnuts, it's the unrestrained, exponential growth of federal corporate welfare subsidized technology designed to produce an overabundance and unnecessary amount of cheap low quality proteins with dire consequences for the health of those humans supping at that pig trough and the environment. If anything it's the opposite of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11384095]

>>11384067
Clearly ingrained in yours to say the least.

[Anonymous No.11384098]

>>11383966
>you have to kill chickens and cows to harvest eggs and milk, and you have to kill one pig for each serving of bacon and/or sausage

[Anonymous No.11384101]

>>11384067
>It will pass.

One can only hope.

[Anonymous No.11384105]

>>11384067
>upper middle class, white people's fad

Why do white people always but their noses into other people's business? Don't they have no lives or real struggles of their own to deal with?

[Anonymous No.11384110]

>>11381581
vegans are food innovators

[Anonymous No.11384125]

>>11384078
So basically veganism is intersectional white feminism overlapped with dialectic uncapitalism with arbitrary racist jingoism via not your shield anti natalism using the power of social media to advance the semitic power structure?

[Anonymous No.11384128]

>>11381589
Veganism and plant based diets aren't really the same thing, so you can't be vegan just now and then. The word gets misused quite a bit.
>>11383274
beans, legumes, vegetables and grains is on average cheaper than your meat diet.
>>11383897
veganism cause weight loss or weight gain depending on what you eat.
iYou can be vegan and eat tons of oreos daily, doesn't mean you'll lose weight just because it's vegan.
>>11382301
the only supplement you need is b12, and friendly reminder that animal products are also fortified with b12. dairy is fortified with vitamin D.

[Anonymous No.11384133]

>>11384105
>Don't they have no lives or real struggles of their own to deal with?
At this point in history, not really. The ones that actually DO have some kind of struggles to overcome (which are pretty much just the people stuck in shit jobs just so they can earn enough to be able to work their shit jobs) aren't the people trying to force their dim view of the world on everyone else.

[Anonymous No.11384147]

>>11384105
>Why do white liberals always but their noses into other people's business and try to tell us how to live?

fyp. We're not all like this, by brown friend.

[Anonymous No.11384153]

>>11384067
veganism is increasing in numbers, more and more people eat less meat.
it's not gonna pass

[Anonymous No.11384156]

>>11384147
Hello brown friend, my partner glad to hear that, by anon.

[Anonymous No.11384161]

>have absolutely no practical argument against veganism

>hmmm, i think ill just lump them in with completely unrelated political ideologies! Thatll disprove them

[Anonymous No.11384164]

>>11384147
We allies now, my PoC friend.

[Anonymous No.11384166]

>>11381581
none

[Anonymous No.11384185]

>>11382367
We mostly get too much iron any way. Zinc Magnesium and Selenium are the ones you need to worry about ... Canadian Lentils have your back.

[Anonymous No.11384186]

>>11384161
people have a hard time telling themselves what they've been doing all their life is wrong. they just don't want to realize it, so they ignore it or come up with something that'll make them feel better.

[Anonymous No.11384191]

>>11384185
two brazil nuts a day and you're good on the selenium

[Anonymous No.11384197]

>>11384161
Why aren't there any indigineous tribes of vegans? Why aren't there vegan communities in Africa?

[Anonymous No.11384202]

>>11384147
>>Why do white liberals always but their noses into other people's business and try to tell us how to live?

Pretty much the same thing as good old fashioned racism. They think they know better then everyone else therefore, they can tell others how to live.

[Anonymous No.11384212]

>>11384197
What does that have to do with anything?

[Anonymous No.11384213]

>>11384202

It's not just their right, it's their "moral obligation (tm)" to crusade against the non-righteous.

[Anonymous No.11384219]

>>11384197
Why haven't they discover proper plumbing systems, why are they dying of diseases ?

[Anonymous No.11384221]

>>11382745
>th-the environment, he typed on his computer using heavy metals obtained from mines that destroy nature around them

[Anonymous No.11384224]

>>11384221
Computers have practical and important uses. Eating animal products doesn’t

[Anonymous No.11384226]

>>11384212
It speaks to the practicality of veganism. If it were so practical why don't those aforementioned communities of vegans exist?

[Anonymous No.11384229]

>>11384226
No vegan communties exist anywhere. It’s more of a cultural thing. Are you making any actual point here or just pointing out narratives?

[Anonymous No.11384237]

>>11384224
Do you NEED to be on your computer right now? Do you really need to be on /ck/? Are you contributing to the world in some way by making this post? Or are you using electricity obtained by using up natural resources to fulfill your own wants and desires?

[Anonymous No.11384260]

>>11382337
There are so many variables not discussed that go into a small sample like this that i would find this completely inconclusive. You would need to have the same number of vegetarians and meat eaters to see if the average IQ still had that much variation, and comparing 50 to 3000 is asinine.

Without getting people to sound off the /pol/ alarm, I'm saying that if you don't indicate where the sample was taken for all individuals, it wont be worth taking as fact.
(i.e. did all people sampled come from the same wealth/race/area)

But I'm sure the response to this if any will be:
>lol dumb meat eater

[Anonymous No.11384269]

>>11384237
There's not much in terms of material things you need in this world.
However using a computer daily doesn't cause as much harm as eating animals with every meal every day. You don't have to get rid of EVERYTHING you don't "need". It's not all or nothing. You can start by replacing animals on your plate with plant based foods. It's not difficult, and it makes a lot of difference.

[Anonymous No.11384270]

>>11384237
Yes. I have work and research. As do many people that utilize computers and use them to help improve the health of the planet. Do you have any arguments that aren’t ad absurdum?

[Anonymous No.11384285]

Why would you limit yourself from eating meat, instead of consuming both meat and vegetables?

[Anonymous No.11384289]

>>11384285
Health, environment, ethics

[Anonymous No.11384299]

>>11384289
>Health
Why would eating meat detriment my health if I'm already getting a well rounded supply of nutrients from vegetables?

>Environment
Yes, farming is a problem and should be resolved with things like grown meat, increased efficiency in water/food used

>Ethics
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11384302]

>>11384224
>>11384270

Eating meat keeps people alive genius.
>So does vegetables and scraps of cardboard!!!1!1

True, but that isn't a point that disregards the utilization of meat as a source of food.
Saying otherwise is just lying.

Enjoy researching the median size of dick for the sake of humanity or whatever.

[Anonymous No.11384305]

>>11384289

Do you wear cotton? Drive cars? Use electricity? Eat farmed vegetables? Yes? You're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.11384310]

>>11384299
Because meat contains many things that are detrimental to health regardless of you having some vegetable consumption?

>not an argument
It is. You’re evidently just afraid of looking through yourself. This also wasn’t an argument. You asked pretty basic questions and got answers. You being dissatisfied doesn’t make the answers wrong or right

[Anonymous No.11384313]

>>11384302
Keeps Big Pharma pumping that’s for sure.

>enjoy researching the median size dick
Veganism is finished!

[Anonymous No.11384316]

>>11384299
Meat and dairy is not healthy.
Then don't eat meat until lab grown meat is on the market. Right now it is very unsustainable.
Ethics is an argument. We don't have the right to harm and exploit other living beings.

[Anonymous No.11384319]

>>11384305
Clothes, transportation, electricity, and vegetables have vital critical uses. Meat doesn’t in this day and age

[Anonymous No.11384324]

>>11384305
>there's no point in doing x if you're doing y

i don't get this logic

[Anonymous No.11384330]

>>11384310
>Because meat contains many things that are detrimental to health
Care to provide some info?

>You’re evidently just afraid of looking through yourself.
Excuse me? I asked for a rational answer, not platitudes. Unless you consider stepping on ants or using fuel to be unethical as well, then it's a biased ethical argument, and there's no force compelling me not to eat it.

>>11384316
I don't eat dairy besides butter, lactose fucks me up.
I have no reason to stop eating meat so far, lab grown meat will only produce possibly cheaper and more efficient meat.
Unless you believe that rights are god-given, then you don't have "rights" at all, nor do animals.

[Anonymous No.11384333]

>>11384316
So you would let a bear eat your child alive because you don't have the right to harm it?

[Anonymous No.11384338]

>>11384319

This is some 10/10 mental gymnastics right here. Pretty much proves you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.11384350]

Can Mods just bad these fucking threads already?
We don't need Meat VS Vegan shitposting threads daily/hourly/at all fucking times.

I'm going to add 'vegan' to my filter so that I don't see it anymore, but for fucks sake do something.


>RULES
/ck/ - Food & Cooking
1. Images and discussion should relate to food and cooking.
2. Recipes are welcome! Feel free to talk about your favorite dishes and discuss past cooking experiences.
These discussions are just shit-flinging and don't even discuss food. Just two groups that want to bitch at one another.

[Anonymous No.11384374]

>>11384330
>Care to provide some info
Meats contain saturated fats and cholesterol for starters, no matter how much information cattle and egg industries put out, the consumption of these is utterly detrimental to cardiovascular health. Dairy contains many potent mammalian estrogens which fucks with your hormones especially when you’re younger in addition to being loaded with saturated fats, can stunt hormonal production which in itself causes a whole funbag of shitty things to your body. These hormonal issues are increasingly present in the hormonal treated meats which already have some trace hormonal effects for the worse. Chicken contains some of the largest dietary sources for phthalates which is also a potent hormonal disruptor, fish has heavy metals which fuck with your brain gradually, this only gets worse as pollution of the oceans get worse. If you’d like links they can be provided but thats a brief brief gestalt

>Excuse me
Acting like a woman doesn’t change anything here. I don’t deliberately step on ants and while fuel is harmful it doesn’t make the massive deliberate direct slaughter of animals suddenly necessary. Ethics is a rational thing to discuss to anyone who isnt a psychopath or afraid of taking responsibility for their actions. There’s no point in complaining about it while simultaneously holding a biased dismissive view of even discussing it

[Anonymous No.11384381]

>>11384338
>X has uses for society

>Y doesn’t

>some mental gymnastics

I think you’re just stupid. Seems pretty cut and dry. Feel free to dispute it

[Anonymous No.11384382]

>>11384350
They weren't willing to ban 'Do Americans really?' are McDonalds quite literally being 6 out of 8 of the top threads sometimes. They aren't going to do shit about this. Hell the only reason they cracked down on al/ck/ was a bunch of sour grape underaged whinging about them, despite the fact they were keeping shit in one thread.

[Anonymous No.11384392]

>>11384333
This is why vegans correctly belittle you as stupid. What an astoundingly retarded strawman.

[Anonymous No.11384394]

>>11384350
It's working. Phase one is inspiring irrational feelings of anger when the word vegan is mentioned.

[Anonymous No.11384421]

>>11384299
>Why would eating meat detriment my health if I'm already getting a well rounded supply of nutrients from vegetables?
The why is a question mark, the evidence that it is, is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.11384425]

>>11384333
Of course I'd protect my child if I had to. Harming animals for unnecessary reasons is wrong. Self defense isn't unnecessary, but eating animals is.

[Anonymous No.11384438]

>>11384425
So would if you killed the bear attacking your child and you were stranded in the woods with no food would you eat it or just let the meat be wasted and starve?

[Anonymous No.11384440]

>>11384350
>i'm out of touch with the modern zeigeist
Dude, everything nowadays is simply Ooga-booga tribe vs. Onga-bonga tribe. Enjoy the descent of man from a state which at one time had potential for higher potential.

[Anonymous No.11384444]

>>11384438
Is this really the best you can do or is your autism sincere?

[Anonymous No.11384447]

>>11384444
As sincere as veganism is virtuous

[Anonymous No.11384480]

>>11384438
Do you know what the word necessity means?
If you do you'll have the answer to the question you asked.

It's highly unlikely that anyone would ever be in a situation like that so i'm not sure why you're asking.
Going to the grocery store and buying food is something everyone does. Chosing plant based foods over meat is the easiest thing in the world when you're at the market. That's where you make the choice. Not when you're stranded alone with a bear.

[Anonymous No.11384498]

>>11384438
Ok you eat the meat. you're still stranded in the woods. eating the meat will give you a few days at best, but you're most likely gonna die of dehydration anyways before starvation.

What a retarded analogy to explore a concept.

[Anonymous No.11384510]

>>11384498
Just a thought experiment, brah. What an uncreative literal minded bunch you vegans are.

[Anonymous No.11384513]

>>11384330
ya because humans were made to drink human breast milk, that's why lactose fucks you and the majority of the population up.

[Anonymous No.11384515]

>>11381581
It's always good to eat more vegetables. We think one leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato in a hamburger is enough for your vegetable intake.

Vegans and vegetarians are better for the environment, therefore better for my life. Other than that I don't care about vegans or vegetarians.

[Anonymous No.11384528]

>>11384510
Why the hostility? I answered your comments.

[Anonymous No.11384536]

>>11383331
He's right tho

[Anonymous No.11384539]

annoying as hell and thier "food" pisses me off, but i wish i could have the discipline to do it because they are very healthy,

[Anonymous No.11384542]

>>11381581
i'm an omnivore. don't know, don't care about vegans or veganism

[Anonymous No.11384550]

>>11384528
Sorry. You called my analogy retarded and I was triggered.

[Anonymous No.11384575]

>>11384550
That wasn't me - I was the one you initially asked.
Agree tho that there's no need to call each other retarded.
>>11384539
"their" food pisses you off? what do you mean, processed fake meats? fruits? vegetables?

I believe in you, find some recipes of dishes that don't piss you off and give it a go, then stck to the ones you like on a regular basis. You can do it.

[Anonymous No.11384594]

>>11384498
He could save the blood and drink it to ward off dehydration and as a carnist would probably take some sort of perverse pleasure from it.

[Anonymous No.11384618]

>>11384575
mostly fake cheese and meats.

[Anonymous No.11384641]

>>11384618
so don't eat it, eat legumes, veggies, fruits, grains and that sorta stuff. you can be vegan without eating fake meats and cheeses, it's cheaper too.

[Anonymous No.11384871]

>>11383966

lol.

[Anonymous No.11384919]

>>11384871

>>11384871

Humanity and herd animals have lived in symbiosis for thousands and THOUSANDS of years. We've evolved together. Argue for the ethical treatment of our animal friends but don't pretend your fad diet is applicable worldwide. Or talk about entitlement when you have the luxury of dietary choices as you so eagerly clarify.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvtT3UyhibQ

Don't use impoverished populations as justification for your dietary choices while you yourself are too slothful to do the same work a meat eating missionary spends years doing in those very lands. Humanitarians take care of humans first, then the animals.

[Anonymous No.11384928]

>>11384641
but i like cheese and meat anon.

[Anonymous No.11384985]

>>11381581
They're okay. They do make big gatherings like Christmas a pain though.
I'm fine preparing some vegan dishes, but anyone bitching that not every dish was vegan can fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.11385007]

>>11384270
And is that work and research somehow aided by you posting on 4chan? Seems like you're wasting precious electricity and harming the environment for no reason, just to satisfy your own urges...
>>11384269
>it's ok to use up natural resources for my own good when it's something I like doing
Wee

[Anonymous No.11385029]

>>11384316
>We don't have the right to harm and exploit other living beings.
So it's okay to exploit natural resources, plants, fungi, etc., yet it's not right to do so with animals? Are plants, bacteria, and fungi not living beings for some reason?

[Anonymous No.11385805]

>>11383277
BASED AS FUCK SEMIMEATKEK

[Anonymous No.11385817]

>>11385007
>>11385029
>reducto ad absurdum
Lol every single time. It’s like you can’t defend your shitty lifestyle

[Anonymous No.11386072]

>>11384985
the hosts job is to please the guest

[Anonymous No.11386085]

>>11386072

The role of a host is to be hospitable. There is a world of difference.

[Anonymous No.11386205]

>>11381581
I pity them, as I do all mentally ill people.

[Anonymous No.11386230]

>>11382369
>Vegan
>Being smart enough to understand statistics and the importance of semi-blind sampling
Good joke.

[Anonymous No.11386634]

>>11384539
>their "food" pisses me off
You mean like corn? rice pisses you off? you're pissed off by tomatoes, onions, spinach and lentils? What's it about watermelon and mango that pisses you off? Why does avocado piss you off? Actually I kinda see how avocado piss you off.. But what about garlic? Lemons? Chickpeas piss you off????? Please tell me, which vegetables, fruits, seeds, or grains piss you off.

oh yea, I'm pissed off by your "food" too. Buncha cows lined up in front of the children and shot. it's Cruel and miserable, and I'll play no part in the daily genocide of millions of living beings in this animal Hitler regime you call "meat and dairy."

[Anonymous No.11386920]

>>11381588
Plants do feel pain, though.
Sure, they don't feel it like we do, but neither does a lot of marine life.

Only ethical diet are those monks who only eat plant parts without killing the plant, so nothing rooted.

[Anonymous No.11387076]

>>11381581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfuQ4ZF0nF4

[Anonymous No.11387099]

>>11386920
No they don’t. They have zero neuroreceptors required for it

[Anonymous No.11387235]

>>11386920
They react to external stimuli. They do not "feel" pain.

[Anonymous No.11387246]

>>11381581
"Veganism" is just a limitation. Trying to imply it's superior to being an omnivore means you are compensating your lack of willpower and wisdom with dogmatism.

[Anonymous No.11387261]

>>11381581
It's great to live in an age of so much over abundance of food that you get to be picky. I don't care about personal eating habits as long as they are not preachy

[Anonymous No.11387493]

>>11384110
This is fucked

[Anonymous No.11387541]

>>11385817
>n-no, stop destroying my weak and pathetic excuses for arguments, pl-please!
Yikes dude

[Anonymous No.11387910]

>>11382317
Hi Kevin Smith

[Anonymous No.11387927]

>>11387246
Tell me one instance where being able to derive nutrients from more types of food has been a negative trait in any species ever.

[Anonymous No.11387937]

>>11387927
It tends to make the black americans and island people morbidly obese, diabetic, and heart diseased.

[Anonymous No.11387938]

>>11386634

>I'll play no part in the daily genocide of millions of living beings

This is why no one likes you and no one takes you seriously.

[Anonymous No.11387951]

>>11381588
>They are ethically superior
KEK, they're the same sheltered lowlives that condone women aborting their children

[Anonymous No.11387981]

>>11387937
>implying black people are a different species

wew lad this is /ck/

[Anonymous No.11387987]

>>11387951
>if i make a strawman it must be true!!
So im guessing you’re an obese impoverished knuckledragger who votes for billionaires to get tax cuts?

[Anonymous No.11387995]

>>11387541
>n-no, stop pointing out how much of a fat retard i am, pl-please!
Yikes dude

[Anonymous No.11387996]

>>11381588
Ethically Superior? Doing what? not supporting the famers who already fucking killed the damn animal.

[Anonymous No.11388000]

>>11387951
Humans aren't an endangered species.

[Anonymous No.11388005]

>>11387981
Nope. But different races have different susceptibilties to illness and disease.

[Anonymous No.11388012]

I don't give a shit what you eat, and I don't care what you think of what I eat. That's my honest opinion on veganism.

[Anonymous No.11388033]

>>11387987
Nice projecting.
But you'll have to admit the vast majority of vegans that brag about being ''ethical'' and ''morally superior'' to meat eaters are also the same people who believe the aborting of a human life in vitro is ok and not absolutely evil.

[Anonymous No.11388048]

>>11388033
It's true. Most (not all) vegans are im14andthisisdeep tier atheists who talk about humanity like Agent Smith does in the first matrix. They would rather watch abortion videos than shoveldog

[Anonymous No.11388055]

>>11388033
>Nice projecting

>two posts of baseless autism

LMAOOOOO

[Anonymous No.11388060]

>>11388048
This is just you projecting in order to cope with your own subconscious guilt and self-hatred for gladly participating in an objectively barbaric practice

[Anonymous No.11388072]

>>11388060
But I don't eat meat, faggot. Where did I say I was a carnist? Interacting with other vegans makes me understand why everyone hates us. It's people like you.

[Anonymous No.11388084]

[Anonymous No.11388086]

>>11388072
>a-actually im vegan
You’re fucking pathetic. Ever think that you get treated like a retard because you are one? Nope. It’s everybody else’s fault :)

[Anonymous No.11388093]

>>11388055
>LMAOOOOO
Sperg all you want, but if someone refuses to eat meat based on what they believe to be moral/immoral, and in the same time are okay with live fetuses being dismemebred in their mothers' wombs, they're simply virtue signaling hypocrites with severe cognitive dissonance
The only thing that's baseless is your accusation

[Anonymous No.11388120]

I acknowledge that being vegetarian or vegan is the more ethical choice in regards to animal suffering and the environment. But I still choose to eat meat. It's delicious, easy and cheap.

[Anonymous No.11388124]

>>11381581
Annoying pricks but their diet is far better for the planet.

[Anonymous No.11388157]

Why do so many of them seem to be in poor health? Not all, but... A disproportionate amount compared to how much hype there is regarding it.

[Anonymous No.11388160]

>>11387951
Oh boo hoo, it's a fucking parasite. Nobody should be forced to birth one. Grow some balls or move to some shithole third world country, you're be more at home there.

[Anonymous No.11388172]

>>11388005
I assure you their heritage comes from an african country that meat is a staple. Unless you think AFRICAN Americans arent from africa

[Anonymous No.11388195]

>>11388093
>Sperg all you want

Lol you’re such a fucking worthless retard. Completely unaware of his own faggotry. Joke of a life

[Anonymous No.11388219]

>>11388160
>it's a parasite
Nope, a tiny human being who possesses their own DNA and heartbeat at 4 weeks.
Fetuses (which is the latin equivalent for 'children' and 'offspring' btw) are sentient, can dream, react to external stimuli and even recognize the voice of their parents.
> Nobody should be forced to birth one
Nobody forces women to have unprotected sex.
Rape and incest related procedures represent less than 1,5% of all abortions, so the enormous majority of women that abort their kids are simply too dumb to use protection and too weak to assume to consequence of their promiscuity.
Also, you have to be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.11388231]

>>11388195
Can you argue your point of view instead of spewing retarded ad hominem attacks?

[Anonymous No.11388240]

>>11388231
Argue what? Your “DURRR VEGAN LOVE ABORTION” strawman? Then getting pissed when having a strawman on you? Are you braindead?

[Anonymous No.11388291]

>>11388240
>'vegans are okay with abortion 'strawman
Not a strawman,a statistical fact.
Not saying 'all vegans'', but the majority of them tend to be against conservative values and identify as liberals, which thus makes them complicit with abortion.
https://vegnews.com/2018/9/liberals-are-25-times-more-likely-to-be-vegan-than-conservatives
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/poll-only-5-americans-are-vegetarians-3-vegans-majority-liberals
https://www.livekindly.co/conservatives-more-meat-than-liberals/

> getting pissed when having a strawman on you
The only person that's pissed in here seems to be you, judging by all the insults you favored with me with.

[Anonymous No.11388297]

>>11388291
>not a strawman a fact

>posts a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with veganism and abortion

Your life is utterly pathetic

>stop namecalling
Don’t cry yourself to sleep over it, want me to call your mom to tuck you in?

[Anonymous No.11388314]

>>11388291
I agree with you but
>vegnews.com
kek

[Anonymous No.11388317]

>>11388297
Namecall all you want, but be aware that it makes you look like a butthurth highschooler who can't into civil arguments.
As expected of your local vegan I guess?

[Anonymous No.11388323]

Do vegans have any good qualities besides dying younger and not reproducing?

[Anonymous No.11388329]

>>11388317
>Namecall all you want
Daaaw little baby about to cry

>civil arguments
You’re an obese idiot screeching that vegans love abortion.

[Anonymous No.11388336]

Jesus christ, vegans need their own containment board, like r9k or pol. They literally shit up every thread they touch.

[Anonymous No.11388344]

>>11388323
They make entertaining threads where they constantly get assblasted by basic logic and facts?

[Anonymous No.11388357]

>>11388329
I'm a 100lb Europoor grill that knows for a fact vegan faggots are dishonest retards who condone abortion but are outraged by people drinking milk.
You're a joke, anon

[Anonymous No.11388380]

>>11388357
>i-its true because i said so!!!!! *bawls eyes out after being called a fag*

You have no actual arguments so you need to invent generalizations in your head to justify your own actions. You don’t even discredit the idea, you attempt to discredit something completely different.

[Anonymous No.11388403]

>>11388380
Okay friend.
I was merely stating the fact that the majority of vegans are pro abortion, which is neither a generalization nor a strawman, but simply a fact and the beacon of their own dishonesty.
I can't force this reality unto you if you refuse to accept it.
Enjoy living in a delusion

[Anonymous No.11388413]

>>11388403
>the fact
Lol. This is why you get called retarded. Then cry about it. It’s also why far right retards like you are poor and stupid. Enjoy being a disgusting poor stupid fuck your entire worthless life. I’m going to go drink a stem cell cocktail!!

[Anonymous No.11388438]

>>11388413
Vegans sure are angry all the time. It's probably nutrient deficiency

[Anonymous No.11388445]

>>11388413
Abortion is wicked and evil, and none of your shitposts will ever change that fact

[Anonymous No.11388490]

>>11388438
You’re fat and retarded all the time. Must be a genetic thing. Mother’s side?

>>11388445
Your shitposting doesn’t make you any less dumber, fatter, or a strawbitch

[Anonymous No.11388501]

>>11388490
How is high school?

[Anonymous No.11389108]

>>11387995
>he literally doesn't have a single argument left after being BTFO thoroughly
ouch ouch ouch looks like your wh*Te ass is on FIRE