/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11230770]

What's a good cheap vodka that has no taste and would mix well with grape juice?

[Anonymous No.11230817]

Any potato based vodka

[Anonymous No.11231112]

Popov

[Anonymous No.11231141]

Barton

[Anonymous No.11231191]

Any mid-shelf glass bottle of vodka is going to be good enough to mix with grape juice. I usually go with Sobieski or Wódka[Vodka] brands, which are both Polish. I imagine Sobieski will start jacking up as they become more popular, similar to Svedka. Khortytsa is a Ukrainian brand that's pretty cheap, but it has an obnoxious top. If you absolutely must have Russian vodka, you're probably going to go for Stolichnaya or Russian Standard. (your Smirnoff isn't going to be made in Russia) It definitely won't be the cheapest, though.

[Anonymous No.11231195]

Have you heard of wine?

[Anonymous No.11231199]

>>11230770
luksusowa

[Anonymous No.11231202]

>>11230770
stolichnaya should be your go-to vodka. buying expensive vodka is a waste and buying anything cheaper than/not stolichnaya is a waste.

[Anonymous No.11231203]

Dis one

[Anonymous No.11231206]

>>11231202
There's plenty of cheaper vodka than Stolichnaya that's just as good.

[Anonymous No.11231210]

>>11231206
No there isn't. Though any vodka can be made like 3000% better if you manually charcoal filter it.

[Anonymous No.11231215]

You're paying too much for vodka if you're paying more than 10 USD per handle.

[Anonymous No.11231223]

>cheapest bottle of vodka in Ontario is like 26 CAD

[Anonymous No.11231226]

>>11231210
You're either delusional or you live in a place where Stolichnaya is heavily subsidized.

[Anonymous No.11231231]

>>11231223
Imagine actually living somewhere where this is the case because only one store is allowed to sell it and thus there's no competition.
Imagine having a fucking leaf on your flag.
Imagine having bags of homo milk in the stores.
Imagine having affordable, readily available poutine.
OK, I'm actually kind of jealous about that last part.

[Anonymous No.11231266]

>>11231223
Holy fuck. Decent vodka where I live is $17.99-$21.99 for a 1.75l handle, but you can get cheap as fuck one of some borderline rubbing alcohol for $8.99-$9.99. I would just kms the quick way if I lived where you live.

[Anonymous No.11231514]

>>11230770
>What's a good cheap vodka that has no taste and would mix well with grape juice?
RUSSIAN STANDARD ORIGINAL VODKA REVIEW
https://vodkabuzz.com/vodkas/russian-standard-original/

[Anonymous No.11231516]

[Anonymous No.11231519]

[Anonymous No.11231540]

>>11231516
>implying

[Anonymous No.11231571]

>>11231540
Terrible vodka,ugly looking girls

[Anonymous No.11231573]

[Anonymous No.11232176]

>>11231516
Based russian standard poster

[Anonymous No.11232305]

>>11230770

Amsterdam is like 15 a handle and that shit is smooth. I usually just take shots of it as long as it's been chilled. Chasing is optional.

If you're just going to mix it with grape juice I'd say literally bottom of the barrel is your best bet for the price. Get some Popov or whatever they have on sale for like $5-8.

[Anonymous No.11232309]

>>11230770
Honestly for the price, nothing beats the taste and smoothness of stoli. You can drink it straight no mixer or chaser its delicious. Russian standard is piss compared to stoli.

[Anonymous No.11232314]

>>11231202
Sorry brother, but Monopolowa is the correct answer.

[Anonymous No.11232567]

>>11230770
A friend of mine put me on to pic related a few years ago, beats the shit out of Taaka but doesn't cost much more.

[Anonymous No.11232582]

>>11232309
>Russian standard is piss compared to stoli.
Interesting that if you read reviews 90% of people give Russian Standard much higher scores than for Stoli.
But I guess you like eating McDonald hamburgers as well

[Anonymous No.11232591]

Is drinking vodka neat as enjoyable as drinking whiskey neat?

[Anonymous No.11232614]

>>11232591

No. Good vodka should have no taste, bad vodka has a bad taste. You ether mix it or shoot it.

[Anonymous No.11232691]

>>11232591
I like to sip it very small amounts at the time, like a tea spoon full.
Best way to try and compare different vodkas (as with other alcohol of course) is to buy two or even three different vodkas and do the testing
with 20-30 seconds time between the sips so you create 'new' saliva in your mouth and of course no food of any kind in between the sips.
Just have good meal before so you don't drink on an empty stomach of course, but you know that already lol
Sometimes I drink that way 1/2 bottle of vodka (I really like Russian Standard especially the Platinum Edition) in the evening and wake up
next morning with no overhang at all, not like after 1/2 bottle of quality brandy or whiskey.
Quality vodka gives you very clean, clear 'tipsy' effect.
Cheap low quality vodka rips your head off and it stinks.
As you know multi distillation of alcohol (vodka,whiskey,brandy and so on) greatly contributes to the quality, but you have to pay extra for that product.

[Anonymous No.11232740]

>>11230770
It's $20, so it's the same price as Stoli in my area.
I don't even care about the organic meme; I like it because it's distilled only once and not charcoal/meme metal filtered. Tastes like a potato vodka, but it's wheat.

[Anonymous No.11232805]

>>11232740
>I like it because it's distilled only once
That is never a plus for hard alcohol.
Everybody knows that.

[Anonymous No.11232849]

>>11231215
Where tf do you live that you get a handle of vodka for 10 USD? I work in a liquor store in a state with the least amount of alcohol regulations and that price is unheard of even with it on sale.

[Anonymous No.11232856]

>>11232740
>I like it because it's distilled only once
That is never a plus for vodka.
Everybody knows that.

[Anonymous No.11232865]

If you're mixing it with juice maybe think about zubrowka.

[Anonymous No.11232868]

>>11232805
>>11232856
Elaborate?

[Anonymous No.11232900]

>>11232849
Do you have a Total Wine in your state?

[Anonymous No.11232913]

>>11231195
this

[Anonymous No.11232915]

>>11232868
>Elaborate?
Are you serious you don't know how multi distillation greatly improves quality of alcohol, especially vodka.
Why do you think many vodkas (like for example my fav Russian Standard Regular is distilled 4 times, and Russian Standard PLATINUM is distilled 8 times).
Each time you distill it cost you money in extra labour and you lose liquid volume, but you are gaining much cleaner 'healthier' alcohol.
I suggest you google this topic if you are seriously interested to learn, I can't give you all the scientific-chemical reasoning for it here.

[Anonymous No.11232937]

>>11232915
Based Pyccкий Cтaндapт™ poster.

[Anonymous No.11232945]

Would a cheap vodka be fine in making limoncello or should I get something better?

[Anonymous No.11232958]

>>11232945
Everclear, assuming you can get the 95% ABV version.

[Anonymous No.11232960]

>>11232945
Remember that cheap vodka drunk straight or in drinks will still give you a headache next day.
Only thing the mixing will do is to mask the bad taste of cheap vodka, but the hangover still will be there.
see posts
>>11232691
>>11232915

[Anonymous No.11233025]

>>11232945
Even tho Russian Standard Regular is already great clean tasting vodka but you can do very interesting comparison.
Buy bottle of RS-Regular and bottle of RS-PLATINUM and sip both of them to taste the difference.
This is a very good opportunity to taste vodka from the same manufacturer but of different scale.
If you compare vodkas from different manufacturers you have many variables involved, but not in this case...because
RS-PLATINUM starts as Regular but is distilled 4 more times and is filtered using silver filters.
google Russian Standard and read about it.

[Anonymous No.11233109]

>>11232868

The more distillation the less congeners in the vodka. Vodka profile is supposed to be flavorless, odorless (outside of the pure alcohol smell) and tasteless (outside of the pure alcohol taste.)

Basically by distilling it multiple times you are removing impurities.

Vodka that has been filtered and distilled multiple times is objectionably better than single distilled for those reasons.

Liquor is weird in that snobs will tell you that single distilled Scotch aged in a barrel for 20 years is the king of whisky but 10 distilled vodka that is only a month old is the king of vodka.

The congeners in once distilled vodka are no worse than whisky so if you drink whisky while drinking triple distilled vodka due to snobbishness then you are a hypocrite.

Just drink it and have a good time.

[Anonymous No.11233130]

>>11233109
>The congeners in once distilled vodka are no worse than whisky so if you drink whisky while drinking triple distilled vodka due to snobbishness then you are a hypocrite.
I'm having hard time to understand what you exactly mean by this.
Elaborate?

[Anonymous No.11233133]

aldi's

[Anonymous No.11233136]

>>11231199
underrated

[Anonymous No.11233159]

>>11231199
Tastes of cough syrup, not that it makes it bad. In many stores it's probably the cheapest of eastern European glass bottles.
Don't overindulge though, the side effect is awful t. personal experience, it's like it sticks to your insides.

[Anonymous No.11233172]

>>11231199
Overrated in my opinion.
Month ago I did side by side sipping tests between Luxusowa potato vodka from Poland and Russian Standard-Regular made from grain.
Luxusova is not bad (nothing special tho) it was leaving harsher after taste compared to smooth clean tasting of RS-R.
And I like the idea of vodka being made from grain not from...potatoes.

[Anonymous No.11233180]

>>11233172
I guess potatoes make it slickier/oily.

[Anonymous No.11233195]

Does equal parts vodka and water make pseudo-soju?

[Anonymous No.11233197]

>>11233130

Sure, Whisky get's it's profile by purposefully adding a shit ton of congeners (impurities) by purposefully putting the liquor in oak barrels and letting them sit to absorb the wood for years.

People drink the liquor infused with those congeners because of the robust and varied taste it imparts to the Liquor. Basically instead of removing the congeners from the original mesh they instead try to enhance the flavor of those impurities by aging it in barrels of wood.

By contrast, Vodka is purposefully distilled and filtered several times to remove all taste. Getting cheap vodka means that they don't take the time/energy/resources to distill it more times or filter it more which leaves it with impurities from the original process of making the Vodka.

Basically, if you are drinking to get fucked up and you have no problem drinking scotch/whisky to do that but then make fun of someone getting cheap vodka then you are a massive fagot. The whisky they are drinking is full of more impurities than the vodka by a wide margin.

tl;dr Just drink what you like. Get super distilled vodka if you are looking to get fucked up with a lower chance of hangover. If you ordinarily don't get hangovers or don't care then it really doesn't matter what kind you get.

$5 Popov will get you just as fucked up as Grey Goose. The only difference is Grey Goose is less likely to give you a hangover because of the removal process for impurities.

[Anonymous No.11233205]

>>11230770
Stolichnaya isn't so bad. I would shoot for any midshelf shit. I like Absolut and Ketel One, but I don't know how cheap we're talking here.

[Anonymous No.11233274]

>>11233197

I forgot to add that if you want to get fucked up and reduce your chance of a hangover just get Everclear.

Shit is so pure that it's recommended over rubbing alcohol to clean electronic pieces like motherboards.

It's so powerful that a single shot of it is worth two shots of normal strength liquor.

And you can get it for as little as $20.

There is never a good reason to be a Vodka snob other than because they're a pretentious insufferable cunt.

[Anonymous No.11233406]

>>11230770
If you just want neutral taste and no methanol don't buy vodka, but 95% alck from andorra and make your own dilution.

[Anonymous No.11234830]

>>11232849
California. WinCo Foods has Barton, Burnett's and Taaka for $10 per handle. I haven't tried the Burnett's. The Taaka is fine for mixing. The Barton is actually good straight.

[Anonymous No.11234843]

>>11234830
Also, the Smart and Final a couple blocks away from WinCo has one, I forget what it's called, for 8 something a handle. Haven't tried it. I'm pretty happy with Barton these days. I usually mix it with water, lemon juice and some kind of flavor packet that goes good with lemon juice, and I make it real tart and it's really good that way, but occasionally I drink it straight when it's close to bedtime and I don't want to be waking up to piss a bunch of times in the middle of the night and it's just as tolerable straight as Stoli to me.

[Anonymous No.11234844]

>>11230770
Titos

[Anonymous No.11234874]

>>11233274
I don't know about states where the real high proof shit is legal but here in California the 150 proof Everclear is nowhere close to being cost effective compared to cheap vodka.

[Anonymous No.11235279]

>>11233197
Thanks for that post anon.
>Basically, if you are drinking to get fucked up and you have no problem drinking scotch/whisky to do that but then make fun of someone getting cheap vodka then you are a massive fagot.
Yes, this line brings it home. Well said.
I've heard on the radio show few years ago that Grey Goose is not allowed to enter Vodka Competitions because they add glycerin to make it 'smoother'
I have to google that topic one day to confirm it.

[Anonymous No.11235287]

>>11230770
Popov is a good cheap vodka

[Anonymous No.11235345]

Pick lerated

[Anonymous No.11235370]

My thinking is that drinking cheap vodka is not that vise choice.
Pay bit more and drink (at least mid grade) to make your liver work less under the stress ..and avoid hangovers at the same time.
I was drinking brandies for few years (and vines) but vines started to bore me..and they are heavier on the liver.
Like flavors and taste of brandies but after 1/2 bottle in the evening of mid grade brandy, next morning is not as clear as after mid grade vodka.
As I mentioned in previous posts I really like Russian Standard Reg or Platinum, and after sipping 1/2 bottle in the evening, next morning
I feel fresh and clear, no hangovers.

If I don't feel like sipping straight vodka I like to make hot cocoa drink, just hot water cocoa powder a coconut sugar and generous shot of vodka in the cup.
Almost like an adult dessert lol.

[Anonymous No.11235389]

>>11230770
Just drink nasty cheap ass red wine. What you want to create sounds even worse.

[Anonymous No.11235407]

>>11235389
If quality vodka has no taste wouldn't it just taste like grape juice?

[Anonymous No.11235451]

>>11235407
Vodkas do have tastes and flavors but not as pronounced as in other hard booze.
If you take a sip of vodka and keep in your mouth and move it around you can pick up subtle "flavors"

[Anonymous No.11235581]

>>11235370
$10 vodka has the same effect on your liver as $30 vodka.

[Anonymous No.11235623]

>>11235581
Nope. Not true. False.
Science and chemistry is against your claim.

[Anonymous No.11235772]

From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Standard_(vodka)

Production of the Russian Standard Original is based on a four-tier protocol.
-mashing and fermenting
-distillation and rectification
-filtration and relaxation
-bottling and packaging.
Higher-end products add more purification steps.

Winter grain from Russian steppes are milled and fermented.
The raw spirit is distilled four times for the Original, six times for Platinum, while the Imperia spirit is distilled eight times.
The spirits are blended with water from Lake Ladoga.
The proximity of Lake Ladoga was one of the main reasons for the company's decision to establish its distillery in Saint Petersburg.
The lake's underground sources provide one of the softest waters naturally available.[citation needed]

The product is then filtered four times through charcoal.
Platinum receives two more filtrations through silver and Imperia two more filtrations through quartz from the Ural Mountains.

After final filtration, the spirits spend 48 hours in relaxation tanks, are bottled and packaged.
As vodka contains only water and ethanol, it generally does not mature or age and its shelf life is limited only by packaging.

[Anonymous No.11235812]

Can you believe this shit lol

[Anonymous No.11235844]

hmmm

[Anonymous No.11235848]

>>11231202
New Amsterdam is cheaper and better than Sotoli. If you're willing to pay Stoli prices, you might as well buy whiskey.

[Anonymous No.11235853]

go find that Poland Potato vodka at Trader Joe's if you're in the amerisharts. i forget the name. it's 10.99 per 750mL

[Anonymous No.11235877]

>>11235623
Nope. Not true. False.
Science and chemistry is against your claim.

[Anonymous No.11235880]

>>11235853
>it's 10.99 per 750mL
Literally twice as expensive as vodka should be.

[Anonymous No.11235882]

>>11235880
>Literally twice as expensive as vodka should be.
if you are a poor fuck then yes lol

[Anonymous No.11235916]

>>11231210
>any vodka can be made like 3000% better if you manually charcoal filter it.
Really?

[Anonymous No.11235930]

>>11235916
Really?

[Anonymous No.11235940]

>>11235930
It's already filtered. What's the point of doing it again?

[Anonymous No.11235942]

>>11230770
vodka

[Anonymous No.11235949]

>>11235940
It's already filtered. What's the point of doing it again?

[Anonymous No.11236084]

>>11234843
The only true answer is Skul or McCormicks. Both are 10$ after tax for a handle, after your first drink or two the awful taste goes away and you forget about it being shitty. If your aim is to get shit faced then never spend more than 25$ a night.

[Anonymous No.11236101]

>>11235882
Not even poor. Just smart. I've tried all the vodkas from top shelf to bottom shelf and the difference in flavor is incredibly minor between all of them.

[Anonymous No.11236114]

>>11236084
>Both are 10$ after tax for a handle
>never spend more than 25$ a night.
You drink two and a half handles in a night?

[Anonymous No.11236206]

>>11230770
Out of the ones I've had, Stolichnaya is good, and not stupid expensive.

I wouldn't go less than that normally, but Ketel One and Absolut are drinkable.

The actual real .ru Smirnoff was good, but the Smirnoff you get everywhere else is a terrible copy.

Russian Standard is, unfortunately, bad.

Żubrówka is great but it depends if the bison grass flavour will mix well with your juice: probably not.

[Anonymous No.11236221]

>>11236206

Ketel One is definitely the most expensive of those mentioned

[Anonymous No.11236302]

>>11236206
There's also Żubrówka Biała which is just plain vodka.

[Anonymous No.11236304]

Smirnoff. Best by far overall because it's so simple. Available everywhere, not tagged by a memeprice and no more disgusting than any vodka. The more expensive stuff is still disgusting and drinking the cheaper stuff is like actually being in hell.

[Anonymous No.11236329]

>>11230770
sobieski is very good for it's price

[Anonymous No.11236654]

>>11236206
>Russian Standard is, unfortunately, bad.
>>11232582

[Anonymous No.11236786]

What is /ck/'s opinion of Wyborowa?

[Anonymous No.11237194]

>>11236786
Low grade shit.

[Anonymous No.11237222]

>>11237194
It's just to get drunk, nothing fancy.

[Anonymous No.11237237]

for me.

[Anonymous No.11237247]

>>11236786
great Polish vodka to get huge hangover next morning

[Anonymous No.11237260]

>>11237237
>not giving handle prices

Couldn't be more obvious that whoever made this doesn't know shit.

[Anonymous No.11239131]

Any vodka here and put it through a water filter. Makes shit taste a little smoother.

[Anonymous No.11239714]

>>11239131
but it also removes all the nutrients,
no thanks.

[Anonymous No.11240167]

Stop drinking assholes and start posting

[Anonymous No.11240185]

>>11239714
>nutrients
>vodka

[Anonymous No.11240187]

Any opinions on Finlandia?

[Anonymous No.11240192]

>>11240185
>>nutrients
>>vodka
of course. maybe if you would stopped drinking and sober up for couple of days and read some nutritional articles you would know that

[Anonymous No.11240193]

>>11240187
I rather drink horse piss.

[Anonymous No.11240197]

>>11230770
There should be more tasteless and better distilled liquors tham vodka over there.

[Anonymous No.11240199]

The cheapest vodka I ever bought was some bottle for 5 bucks flavored vanilla. I mixed it with a coke and it was exactly like vanilla coke that got me fucked up. Bought it on vacation and have never found it again.

[Anonymous No.11240249]

>>11230770
Smirnoff's the cheapest where I live that is still vodka not water with vodka

[Anonymous No.11240253]

>>11232849
It costs 15 usd here on sale could get a bottle of cheap grants scotch for the same price

[Anonymous No.11240260]

>>11230770
I usually get Taaka. Its like $13. I mix it with Gaterade.

[Anonymous No.11240697]

>>11230770
just buy a 40% ethanol solution in the apothecary.

[Anonymous No.11240700]

>>11230770
apparently plastic bottle trash from the bottom shelf is the best according to this expert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCrKjZrg-eA

[Anonymous No.11240708]

>>11240193
>t.polack scum triggered by something out of his shithole

[Anonymous No.11240753]

Meanwhile in Finland.
>32€/L

[Anonymous No.11240770]

>>11232740
There you go with that "wheat" shit....potat or nothing

[Anonymous No.11240772]

>>11232849
In ga.....fifth of russovka....9.99

[Anonymous No.11241120]

>>11240753
the fuck? 32 euros for a litre? In Holland you can get a litre of cheapo vodka for about 11 euros.

[Anonymous No.11241252]

>>11241120
It's an actual thing that people travel from helsinki to Estonia and buy booze there because it costs half as much.

[Anonymous No.11241257]

>>11240753
Only Elyx is priced that high in America, standard version is $21 in my area.

[Anonymous No.11242876]

This isn't available in my state, can someone tell me what it's like and how does it compare to other high proof vodkas like Smirnoff 100?

[Anonymous No.11242923]

>>11242876I
It's made from corn therefore not for me.
Only vodka I have respect for is made from grain, not even from potatoes.
Tequila or grappa or sljivovica is very OK too in my book.

[Anonymous No.11242987]

>>11230770
Enjoy the hangover mixing pure sugar with hard alcohol.
Drink your vodka like a man, chase it with beer.
Take it from me i'm an alcoholic.

[Anonymous No.11242989]

>>11242876
If you can taste it in your beverage you mixed, and you keep drinking it, you will die.

If you can't taste it, and you feel like you should be able to, and you keep drinking it, you will die. Don't ever "eyeball" with everclear, measure that shit precisely. But all it is, is ethanol. Vodka in the US still has a flavor, or else brand to brand you'd notice zero difference at the same abv, and that's just not true at all. But Everclear is just pure ass ethanol, as chemically pure as it can be. No stabilizers or anything. It tastes awful, and should never be drunk straight. In my experience, when my cocktails get in the 25% abv range, I stop tasting the everclear, even if I can somewhat detect the drink is alcoholic, it doesn't seem THAT strong. I have a hard time making a cocktail not taste strong as fuck in like a 1:4 vodka to soft mixer ratio.

You'll never make a good cocktail with everclear, if you water it down to 40% abv yourself and use it like a vodka. Smirnoff would actually make a passable martini. IMO everclear is best used for non-consumption based on its properties, like sterilizing surfaces.

[Anonymous No.11243011]

No one has said Seagrams. Sad! 17.99 per 1.75L

[Anonymous No.11243060]

>>11242989
I agree with this anon. Steer clear of this shit.

[Anonymous No.11243133]

>>11241120
Broeder, what's the cheapest vodka per L in NL? I haven't found anything cheaper than Gorlovka (which I like) but that's 11,30

[Anonymous No.11243276]

>>11242876
It's good for cleaning microscopes, lenses, and bongs.

[Anonymous No.11243280]

>>11231191
>I imagine Sobieski will start jacking up as they become more popular
I started drinking like 5 years ago and Sobieski had won some award for best vodka so I bought it
ain't never changed and neither has the price
I'm super sensitive to alcohol taste and it still goes down pretty smooth even when I'm mixing 50/50 with soda

[Anonymous No.11244572]

Are american vodkas any good, or should I stick to my russian & scandinavian classics?

[Anonymous No.11244579]

>>11244572
I'm sure some of them are okay, but why bother?

[Anonymous No.11244601]

They all have taste, it's going to taste like alchohol.

[Anonymous No.11244641]

>>11233197
What kind of autistic retard are you? The impurities in bourbon and scotch are purposeful in order to add good and nuanced flavors. Most vodkas aren't made from the ground up to taste good as a spirit. They're usually created in order to be distilled and thus are intended for repeated distilling. Cheap vodka is usually overproduction or contains extra impurities that distilleries don't want to use in their premium brands so they dont distill it as much and then sell the batches to be marketed as cheap brands. And before you call out cheap "scotch" and (((american whisky))) many of those might as well be vodka since they are often colored and flavored instead of aged properly.

[Anonymous No.11244713]

>>11236329

Yes indeed. Cheap as hell and high quality. I keep bottles of grey goose, Belvedere, ciroc and fill them with this and guess what? No one fucking notices. Same with r&r and crown royal. No one can tell the difference except a handful of people, if that. I can throw some popov and a cup of water in a bottle of goose and I’m ballin

[Anonymous No.11244804]

>>11244572
>Are american vodkas any good
To get massive hangovers next morning, yes they are.

[Anonymous No.11244874]

life is too short for cheap vodkas

[Anonymous No.11245189]

>>11243011
Seagrams is trash

[Anonymous No.11245206]

>>11245189
I didn't even know they made Vodka. I know they make gin and whiskey. Ugh.

[Anonymous No.11245235]

I'm partial to Popov, Svedka and New Amsterdam for low shelf.
Stoli is about as expensive as I go, otherwise you might as well just buy a different liquor.

[Anonymous No.11245308]

>>11245235
>Stoli is about as expensive as I go
What about this, did you had chance to do side by side taste tests?
>>11231514
>>11231519

>>11232691

>>11233025
>>11233172
>>11235370
>>11235772