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11154356 No.11154356 [Reply] [Original]

and i suppose you have an opinion on pre-cut produce?

>> No.11154358

>>11154356
it's expensive

>> No.11154365

>>11154358
time is money and it saves time. even trade off.

>> No.11154368

>>11154356
I reckon that's for people with arthritis or something what can't cut their own.
I don't buy it and it doesn't bother me.

>> No.11154370

>>11154365
quality is usually lower for it because cut produce dries out faster

>> No.11154372

>>11154368
my grocery store actually advertises how long it took them to cut the produce on the package. they have little stickers and they write in how long it takes to prepare on each package. "Save 4 MINUTES by buying this DICED ONION"

>> No.11154377

>>11154356
i know this is obvious bait, but i would like to chime in and say that some pre-cut vegetables secrete terribly tasting chemicals and enzymes. even though the plant is long dead, it still reacts in defense to being sliced open

>> No.11154378

>>11154365
It's just this. Then again,
>>11154372
>Save 4 MINUTES by buying this DICED ONION

If it takes you 4 minutes to dice an onion you're probably retarded and should just buy fast food for the rest of your life instead of trying to cook.

>> No.11154401

>>11154356
The instant you cut a vegetable, flavor and texture begin to degrade. Typical monoculture grown grocery produce is shitty enough, no reason to make it even more so.

>> No.11154466

>>11154356
I buy it sometimes when I need a little bit of celery but I know I'm not going to use an entire stalk before it goes to shit. I eat the leftover carrots and celery with hummus or peanut butter.

>> No.11154469

>>11154365
it's much more expensive. i'd rather have five carrots than two cut up ones

>> No.11154475

>>11154356
I don't have arms so this is very helpful

>> No.11154608

>>11154356
this makes me angry for several reasons

>> No.11154626

>>11154356
Some people are willing to pay more for convienience

>> No.11154631

>>11154356
It's more expensive and also produces more waste. My grocery store used all plastic to package them.

>> No.11154636

>>11154356
Just from a practical standpoint it has more surface area exposed to dry out or deteriorate faster. Not really an opinion, just a fact. What the hell is hard about cutting produce anyways?

>> No.11154644 [DELETED] 

>>11154358
this is where the thread should have ended desu

saged

>> No.11154673

>>11154365
Question is how much you value your time. 3$ for three minutes of work?

>> No.11154677

>>11154673
i buy pre-cut because i make about $110/hr

>> No.11154686

>>11154677
Might as well just hire a chef at that point.

>> No.11154689

Some people find comfort in cutting and preparing their own; regardless of expenses.

>> No.11154700

>>11154365
I have physical disabilities and it would still take me maybe 3 minutes to cut up all the veg in the package on the right.
That's a savings of roughly $3 if I buy the veg whole and cut it myself. Let's be honest: we post to 4chan, so it's not likely any of us are worth $60/hr.

>> No.11154701

>>11154356
>and i suppose you have an opinion on pre-cut produce?
Sometimes you are out of town, staying at the ol' Comfort Inn but not the suites, and you don't want to eat crap and you don't really have a cutting board or prep area. or even paper towels or dish soap to clean up.
You're in the middle of a road trip, this is the middle of the day and you can lunch n munch while driving on this finger food.
Sometimes you appreciate services done for you and paying an extra $1 isn't going to bankrupt you occasionally because your time is quite valuable and you already know that it'll rot in the veggie drawer and go totally wasted but that you'll actually reach for this and consume it.
It doesn't offend your sensibilities to understand other people other than yourself have reasons to want or need things like this. If you've never shopped weekly for your grandma with dementia and arthritis, you wouldn't understand how other people live without frivolity but by practicality. I would have no problem spending another $20 on grandma if I didn't have to prep her food into tupperware with lids she can't close for 2 hours before I can get the hell out of there and get back to my own life faster. If you had toddlers, same difference. Life is short.

>> No.11154705

>>11154378
If you’re making a recipe with a lot of knife work buying precut can easily save you like 20 mins or more

>> No.11154707

i will waterboard you if you disagree with my opinion. my opinion is that its fine

>> No.11154709

>>11154705
Define "a lot of knife work".

>> No.11154712

>>11154709
Enough knife work to take 20 mins

>> No.11154722

>>11154712
Well if you think that dicing an onion takes 4 minutes, even if you're drinking and talking to someone, then for a normal person 20 minutes worth of prep takes 5 minutes. I really don't think that's worth it.

>> No.11154727

>>11154700
*vegetables
is your disability in your fucking brain or are you just a child?

>> No.11154730

I buy them all the time, just frozen.

>> No.11154748
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>>11154356
I don't like it: It's overpriced. It goes bad faster than buying whole produce. It has extra unnecessary packaging. And for what? The fact that it saves you a couple of minutes of prep? Seems silly.

Not to mention that if newbie cooks continually rely on this sort of thing as a crutch they never get a chance to improve their knife skills, and thus get stuck in a loop of overpaying for years.

>>11154712
20 minutes? Jesus christ. I am far from a pro and I can't even imagine anything that might take 20 minutes of knifework, or even anywhere close to it, unless you're talking about something carving pic related. There is zero reason a home cook would need to spend anywhere near that much time cutting stuff up. Sharpen your knife and learn how to use it.

>> No.11154768

>>11154356
i used to ignore them but then i realised one days than they eventually have to sell some of the most expensive fruit with a big discount because how perisable they are and the shop have to at least get back some money to pay the container and the person in charge of cutting all this shit

i like having a nice precut pineapple or some chucks of coconuts or a nicely cut mango for 2 euros instead of 3.5

>> No.11154795

>>11154748
for a home cook doing a large quantity of peeling and fine dicing can easily take 20+ mins. i've worked in a professional kitchen myself, i'm just realistic about how long it takes.

>> No.11154798

>>11154795
What do you mean by "large quantity" exactly?

And let's not forget that a home cook doesn't need to worry about having their dice exactly uniform in size. This isn't something Ramsay is serving to the damn queen, it's perfectly OK if the cubes are uneven. Why not food processor it if it would take an honest 20 minutes?

>> No.11154804

>>11154798
you're making a bunch of modifications to the scenario in order to dismiss it. let's say you're cooking a big vegetarian meal with multiple salads, stews or whatever.

>> No.11154813

>>11154804
Sure, I do agree that if you were cooking a large vegetarian meal for multiple people with multiple dishes then sure, that could easily exceed 20 min in prep.

But speaking of "modifications to the scenario", does that sound like the average example of "home cooking" to you? When I think "home cooking"--especially in the context of time-saving--I am thinking a simple meal for a small number of people, not trying to serve a complex vegetarian masterpiece with multiple courses and a dozen diners. Look at what OP posted a photo of. do you think any of that took an appreciable amount of time?

>> No.11154822

>>11154813
the point is that there's a range of situations where this could save you valuable time depending on your skill level, the requirements of the meal you're cooking and the structure of your day. it could save you a lot of time in some situations and only a little in others, but any amount of time can be important to a home cook

>> No.11154830

>>11154727
O_o
oh
okies n_n
vejuhbuhls then sowwy ^_~

>> No.11154849

>>11154822
>the point is that there's a range of situations where this could save you valuable time depending on your skill level,

A single, obvious outlier, example is supposed to make the point that there are "range of situations" where an average home cook could save a significant amount of time doing this? Sorry, you didn't make that case at all.

>> No.11154856

>>11154368
nope.
it's for people that don't have women.

>> No.11154868

>>11154849
it's not really an outlier in many households

>> No.11154876

>>11154868
>it's not really an outlier in many households
Really? What percentage of households cooks elaborate multi-course vegetarian meals for a large number of diners on a regular basis?

>> No.11154884

>>11154876
i don't know, but large families from non-western backgrounds fit that mould pretty commonly

>> No.11154893

>>11154884
>i don't know
Then why are you talking out your ass?

>> No.11154899

>>11154700
>I have physical disabilities and it would still take me maybe 3 minutes to cut up all the veg in the package on the right.
That's bullshit and you know it. The bell pepper alone takes 2-3 minutes each.

>> No.11154900

>>11154365
And yet here you are.

>> No.11154901

>>11154884
Large families from non-western backgrounds won't buy pre-cut vegetables.

>> No.11154905

>>11154899
Not at all. One bell pepper takes me about a half minute.

>> No.11154906

>>11154893
i'm not. i provided an example of where pre-cut vegetables save a more significant amount of time.
>>11154901
>Large families from non-western backgrounds won't buy pre-cut vegetables.
what does that have to do with anything

>> No.11154909

>>11154798
>it's perfectly OK if the cubes are uneven.
No it's not fucking OK. Do you even have autism?

>> No.11154913

>>11154905
Then you're doing it really sloppy without proper cleaning and attention to detail.

>> No.11154914

>>11154906
>i provided an example of where pre-cut vegetables save a more significant amount of time.
You provided a single, obscure, example and then you claimed to be discussing a "range of situations" affecting the average home cook?

You're delusional. Your example is valid, but not for the average home cook. Furthermore, it it is a single one, not the "range" you claim.

>> No.11154918

>>11154913
I'm not that dude, and I don't have a disability, but I am no pro and I can dice a bell pepper in 30 seconds. Yes, I have timed myself, and no, it's not sloppy. (not that sloppiness matters for a home cook anyway)

>> No.11154926

>>11154914
you've got your fingers in your ears. maybe you haven't done enough dinner parties or cooked for a family.

>then you claimed to be discussing a "range of situations" affecting the average home cook?
my original point was that prep times can be far in excess of 4 minutes if you have a large meal to prepare. you began to question my abilities with a knife so i gave an obvious example of something that was labour intensive. the fact that is that across a range of skill levels and meal sizes you can get a pretty big range of prep times for a home cook to contend with. i suppose the broader thesis is that time is relatively valuable to a home cook and you are not in a position to judge people for how they spend it.

>> No.11154929

>>11154918
Do you make sure to remove EVERYTHING that is even a hint of white? Do you make sure to not throw away even the slightest little bit of red? I doubt it.

>> No.11154934

>>11154929
kek good luck in a pro kitchen

>> No.11154935

>>11154926
>maybe you haven't done enough dinner parties or cooked for a family.
I've done plenty.

What does that have to do with everyday home cooking? It makes perfect sense to buy things like OP if you suddenly have a lot of unexpected guests or something like that. But what do outliers have to do with discussing day-to-day normal cooking at home?

>> excess of 4 minutes
I didn't start posting until someone started throwing around the 20-minute figure. My first post in the thread was >>11154748

>> No.11154940

>>11154804
>cooking a big vegetarian meal
Vegetarian food is shit enough already. You need all the effort and skill you can use to make it good. Cucking yourself with subpar quality prechopped ingredients is a total fools errand

>> No.11154948

>>11154356
I sure hope they cut it the way I wanted it

>> No.11154950
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>>11154929
Yes, and yes. Not that either matters for home cooking anyway.

Cutting the flesh away from the stem and the core takes about 2 seconds, pic related. If there is any white left then it takes a couple seconds to remove that with the tip of the knife. Cut the pepper into strips following the same rolling motion, then cut the strips crosswise into dice if you need dice rather than strips. Takes well under 30 seconds.

>> No.11154953

>>11154934
Good luck being in a pro kitchen when you can't even make sure to remove all the trash from your vegetables.

>> No.11154958

>>11154377
They don't do that when you cut them at home?

>> No.11154959
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>>11154950
If you don't do this you shouldn't be anywhere near a kitchen. It takes a minimum of 2 minutes to do this properly.

>> No.11154962

>>11154935
>But what do outliers have to do with discussing day-to-day normal cooking at home?
we were discussing prep times of more than twenty minutes. christ.

>> No.11154983

>>11154959
Clearly that pic isn't perfect, anon, it's the best I could find on short notice with google.

Personally I cut closer to the core, and like I said I do remove the white, but it doesn't take anywhere near 2 minutes, unless your knife is as dull as my shoe, or you're being some kind of ultrasperg about it.

>> No.11154987

>>11154962
Prep times of more than 20 minutes are rare enough that they aren't relevant to a discussion about normal home cooking. they're caused by either unusually large or elaborate dishes, or by turbospergs insisting on minute perfection. Neither case is relevant to a general discussion, so why get hung up on them?

>> No.11154990

>>11154356
honestly i dont get it. the 5 minutes you save not chopping up your own stuff isnt worth the money. plus its usually food thats about to go bad so you are getting lower quality veggies than you would if you just bought some off the shelf

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>>11154356
Why are we even discussing this?
Are people unironically defending this bullshit?
Fuck you cunts

>> No.11155011

>>11154987
you're the one getting hung up on them. you were scoffing at the idea of saving 4 minutes, so i said prep time can get a lot higher than that.

>> No.11155016

>>11154987
>it doesn't count when an example exists
oh

>> No.11155037

>>11155011
>you're the one getting hung up on them
Right. I'm saying they're not really relevant to the average home cook, and therefore ridiculous to talk about. Your counter-example was supposed to change my mind, yet it was exactly that--a situation not typical for the average home cook, therefore my point stands.

>>idea of saving 4 minutes
I didn't scoff at that, that was someone else who posted before me.

It doesn't matter whether or not prep time can get higher than that if the situation is one atypical of the average home cooked meal.

>> No.11155094

>>11155037
it is more or less typical depending on the cook. you're so fucking dense

>> No.11155100

>>11154677
this anon is living the dream

>> No.11155105

>>11155094
>it is more or less typical
You're telling me it's typical for the average person to cook multi-course vegetarian meals for a large number of guests?

Or you're telling me that it's typical for the average person to spend 20 minutes cutting vegetables for a basic dish feeding a small number of people?

Either one sounds like bullshit.

>> No.11155109

>>11155105
it is more typical for some people and less typical for others.

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>>11154356
shit like OP pic is why dumb millenials & zoomers complain that it's too expensive to eat healthy, they actually cannot figure out that you could buy like two entire bags of carrots and celery each for that price because using a knife and a carrot peeler is too advanced for them

>> No.11155116

>>11155109
Which one? The fancy veg meals for 12 people? Or taking 20 minutes to cut up carrots, celery, and potatoes for a stew that serves 4?

>> No.11155120

>>11155105
you've got to wash and cut them man, not everyone cooks for one

>> No.11155122

>>11155116
both. the whole point i'm making is that there is a spectrum. you can't judge a whole range of people on your own limited experience, you autist.

>> No.11155129

>>11155122
haven't been posting so far but,

Nah cunt.
You're just wrong.
Anyone cooking vegetarian food for large numbers of people is going to either care about price, care about flavour, or care about the environment. Likely all three. They won't be buying precut vegetables.

Those things are for single professional women and extremely lazy fat people. The world would be better if they didn't exist.

>> No.11155147

>>11155122
>both.
I don't believe you. I'm 41. I have never in my life cooked an elaborate multi-course vegetarian meal. Nor have I ever seen one, been invited to one, or even heard of one. I just asked my co-workers over chat (6 of them), and none of them have either. Keep in mind that these people live in several different countries. I'm sure such a thing does exist, but it's far from typical or average. Three of those co-workers are vegetarian and one is vegan, BTW.

As for taking 20 minutes to prep for a single dish, where are you getting that from? Not even my 10-year-old nephew takes that long. Seriously, I've hung around the kitchen while my brother was teaching him.

>>you can't judge a whole range of people on your own limited experience
Sure I can. While my experience is certianly limited to some degree, it's not limited enough to get a general feel for how most people cook. I've lived in a few different countries too, and the data are consistent.

Can you cite firsthand examples of people you know that cook multicourse vegetarian meals for a dozen people often enough for it to be statistically significant? What about people taking 20 min to prep for a single simple dish?

>> No.11155169

>>11155147
>I have never in my life cooked an elaborate multi-course vegetarian meal. Nor have I ever seen one, been invited to one, or even heard of one.
exactly my point. you're just appealing to your own experience. large vegetarian meals with multiple dishes are extremely common in many households. hell i saw them every day when i was a student.

>> No.11155170

>>11155147
you're taking this all a bit seriously lad

>> No.11155171

>>11155147
>pan national vegetarian friends have never had a multi course meal
maybe.... maybe your friends are plebeian of just agreeing with you because it's easy?

>> No.11155175

>>11154356
>and i suppose you have an opinion on pre-cut produce?
I really enjoyed this wording.

>> No.11155178

>>11155169
yeah but the people who cook them give a shit about food, or they're poor, or they care about the enviroment, or all of the above. they would never dream of using precooked vegetables

you're totally wrong about who those things are for.

>> No.11155180

>>11155178
>yeah but the people who cook them give a shit about food, or they're poor, or they care about the enviroment, or all of the above.
it doesn't fucking matter, jesus christ. what are you trying to prove here?

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>>11155147

>> No.11155190

>>11155169
>you're just appealing to your own experience
I'm not denying that.

But when I don't see it even one time it makes it pretty clear that it can't be very common. I'm not a NEET with no real-world experience. I am widely traveled, I have lived in a few different countries. Yet with all of that it's still quite rare.

>>I saw them every day when I was a student
Where was that?

>>11155171
>maybe.... maybe your friends are plebeian of just agreeing with you because it's easy?
co-workers, not friends. And surely typing "no" is even easier than typing "yes".

>> No.11155196

>>11155190
edinburgh.

shared houses with meals on rota. hindu, muslim, buddhist or jain families. boarding houses and co-ops.

>> No.11155218

>>11155180
>what are you trying to prove here?
I've already fucking said it. You're wrong about who buys that shit and what it's used for.

Those things are for single professional women and extremely lazy fat people. The world would be better if they didn't exist.

The world would be better if they didn't exist
The world would be better if they didn't exist
The world would be better if they didn't exist
The world would be better if they didn't exist

stop trying to justify them

>> No.11155223

>>11154700
Do you flip pancakes?

>> No.11155265

>>11155147
When I was at uni in a midwest city, the Hari Krishnas would cook a multi course vegetarian all you can eat lunch for anyone to eat for free, everyday. So right there proves you're wrong.

>> No.11155278

>>11154929
Holy autism, Batman.

>> No.11155287

>>11155265
cults aren't really indicative of normal behaviour, wouldn't you agree?

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>>11154356
>Paying more to not develop and use your cooking skills

>> No.11155291

>>11155265
>people cook elaborate vegetarian meals
obviously
>people cook elaborate vegetarian meals using pre-cut pre-packaged vegetables
no

>> No.11155294

>>11155290
>why would I pay to have my car washed when I could develop my car washing skills for free?
poorboy cope

>> No.11155311

>>11154959
>>11154929
>he thinks the supermarket veggiebulls are cut daintily
lol
They know who their market is. The people who buy pre-cut vegetables don't have half a fuck to give about whether there are a few bell pepper membranes here or there.

>> No.11155318

>>11155291
not the point

>> No.11155335

>>11154378
>t. applebee's line cook

>> No.11155351

>>11155223
>implying i'm palsyfu
No. I just stare at the pancakes', raw, nude uncooked side until they're embarrassed enough that they flip themselves.

>> No.11155356

>>11155318
Oh, but it is the point.
If the point is merely;
>people cook elaborate vegetarian meals
then it's totally irrelevant to the thread

whoever originally said that, said it in service of that larger point, which is as blatantly incorrect as its premise is correct.

>> No.11155381

>>11155356
it is simply pointing out that prep time can be onerous and the product is useful in those cases. not implying that it has no other drawbacks.

>> No.11155394

>>11155381
What a fucking tedious discussion. Fuck you

>> No.11155428

The only pre-cut produce I ever buy is jackfruit. Fuck that latex-y, sticky sumbitch right in the fucking eye. Oddly enough, the cut up jackfruit seed pods ($1.99/lb) are cheaper than buying the whole fruit ($4.99/lb) when you have to throw out about two-thirds of the fucking thing.

>> No.11155429

>>11154356
I don't like people touching the insides of my food. With their fingers. Poopy booger fingers. To me, all that time-saving crap is bullshit because of the increased surface areas I'd have to decontaminate of shitty-booger-sweat droplet-pube-dander particles. Gross.

>> No.11155482

>>11154365
My grocery store sells diced vegetables in the frozen section. They're like $0.15-$0.30 than if you got them fresh, but sometimes when you're getting home late and have to make a bunch of food the next morning at 4:30 am you really don't want to fuck around with that shit.

>> No.11155503

>>11155482
pretty sure frozen is more nutritious than produce aisle vegetables anyway

>> No.11155505

>>11155351
Still hot.

>> No.11155689

>>11155287
>cult
That's what christcucks call them, but those who study religion recognize that they're consistent with typical Hindu traditions.

>> No.11155782

>>11154959
would not bang

>> No.11155813

>>11154356
Precut lettuce is a real convenience if I'm making tacos. Anything else I'll just cut/chop myself.

>> No.11155829

>>11155503
You destroy a lot of nutrition from vegetables when you fry them anyways. Steaming is the only way to preserve ALL nutrition in ANY type of food.

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>>11155829
Nice mom science

>> No.11155845

>>11154705
hell even when i need to cut up onions, garlic, carrots and meat it takes me at most 10-15 minutes. its just for lazy cunts or people who think taking time to make food is wasteful

AKA fucking retards

>> No.11155850

>>11154356
>3.99 + tax for 2 carrots and 2 celery stalks worth 20 cents

>> No.11155863

>>11155839
a good post, like the custom made image to really drive point your distrust of their statement.

>> No.11155907

>>11154356
and i suppose you have an opinion on pre-chewed food?

next you guys are going to say that buying someone else's literal shit and having it shoved up your ass for sustenance is just easier for you than eating and still post on this board

>> No.11155910

>>11155839
It's a well known fact you fucking sperglord.

>> No.11156001

>>11154677
t.guy that does one homeless blowbang a week.

>> No.11156081

I'm eating pre-washed, pre-cut bok choy now. It's convenient

>> No.11156244

Can't resist the pre cut baby carrots especially at less than a buck a pound. Sometimes they have them 2 for 1 or 50 cents each. So worth it.

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>paying more for less flavor
Fuck off.

>> No.11156560

>>11155850
Is there a tax on that? Where I live, most food isn't taxed, but some foods are, though I'm not sure what the deciding factor taxed v untaxed is.

>> No.11157119

>>11155910
Maybe if you get your information from your aunts book club health blog

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/raw-veggies-are-healthier/

>> No.11158961

>>11154378
>4 minutes to dice an onion
What kind of retards are working there?

>> No.11158997

>>11154356
How long does it stay activated for after being cut?.