Why is British food considered bad?

[Anonymous No.11144382]

I'm an American (hispanic) and I briefly visited London over summer vacation, and found the food to be very good.

I had the classics: Sunday roast, beef wellington, bangers & mash, pork pie, ale etc etc. It was delicious! This wasn't at any ritzy restaurants or anything, just random pubs and hole in the walls. I visited France shortly after, spent most of my time in Lyon, and while the food was better on average, it wasn't *that* much better.

I don't know if it's just a meme that they can't cook, but they can.

[Borneo No.11144446]

It's an old, outdated meme from rationing during the world war.

I miss pork pies so much :(

[Anonymous No.11144447]

>>22135753
Hey Fit. Help me out please. Who was in the wrong?
>at gym yesterday (please remember it was Tuesday, very important for later)
>trying to do bench press in peace, when this 13/10 teen woman thing comes up
>gym instruct clients calls out “Anon and the all I want for is to.”
Now I’m confused at this point. And they look at me clearly expecting me to go up and move over.
.
It’s my bench for a day or so I believe. If there’s enough for everyone you don’t need to give it up if you’re using it.
If I wasn’t doing anything (yes anything) then I would understand. But I had the guillemots on my chest on my day as I did it. (Tuesday)
>Anon, you need to me to get my kids for the next day or if you have can not believe it.
No, bugger off. I’m doing what I’m doing nobody says me we hat this game was so fun to I see the kids same as well I don’t know have any of those names and but they do not know have any good luck.

Flowers?

[Anonymous No.11144453]

>>11144382
lol youre not american unwelcome visitor leave

[Anonymous No.11144463]

>A 2012 survey of 1,000 Japanese citizens by the British Embassy in Tokyo found that 74 percent of those who had visited the United Kingdom had a positive impression of British food

[Anonymous No.11144528]

>>11144382
>hispanic
>American

choose one

[Anonymous No.11144535]

British food is great, I love kebabs and Tikka Masala.

[Anonymous No.11144539]

>>11144382
>american (Hispanic)
There goes the thread

[Anonymous No.11144558]

>>11144382
Apparently you haven't heard, British food doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.11144609]

>>11144539
It's the same thing anyways

[Anonymous No.11144660]

>>11144609
Shhh you'll upset /pol/

[Anonymous No.11144677]

>>11144447
this is kind of creepy

[Anonymous No.11144690]

>>11144453
Americans are of every race. This is undisputable

[Anonymous No.11144728]

>>11144528
Choose 0.56

[Anonymous No.11144747]

>>11144609
>>11144539
explain to me how subhuman scum are the same as Europeans that wanted to be free from English rule?

[Anonymous No.11144753]

>>11144382
Nice try bong. You're larping skills are as bad as your cuisine.

[Anonymous No.11144756]

>>11144690
LOL Americans are white and black the civil rights movements was about how we treated the blacks for 100s of years nothing else Mexicans are stupid they sold their land to us because they are retarded. And the wagon burners are on rez's for a reason don't even get me started there.

[Anonymous No.11144758]

>>11144747
Well, one set are actually from america. The others are from europe

[Anonymous No.11144782]

>>11144756
There are asian americans, Hispanic americans etc
Also, check your digits and the check mine, mutt

[Anonymous No.11144799]

>>11144382
I've pondered this question for many years. Sure Brit cuisine has some stinkers, but so does any cuisine.

And this reputation goes back a long, long time. Mrs. Beeton's, which was published during the Victorian period, discusses "the abysmal reputation of British cuisine abroad".

I've heard lots of theories (mainly having to do with WW2-era rationing) that are clearly bunk. I think the most likely explanations are:
-England was the birthplace of the industrial revolution, so they were the first to suffer the effects on the food supply from that. Not only in the food itself, but also from the sudden change to city life.

-England had a massive empire with many coloines. Most of these were located in places that had far better climates than Great Britian herself, therefore the colonial food used spices and ingredients that weren't available back "home". Thus 'native' British food seemed to pale in comparison to the food from those places.

[Anonymous No.11144819]

>>11144447
delicious word salad. just a slight bitter aftertaste but otherwise 8/10

[Anonymous No.11145022]

>>11144782
chinks aren't American they are chinks. are you even from America. also not a mutt faggot

[Anonymous No.11145072]

>>11144382
Honestly I fucking love English food.

[Anonymous No.11145080]

>>11145022
Americans arent really from America by that way of thinking. Only natives

[Anonymous No.11145568]

>>11145080
Really? Pretty sure it was Europeans that formed America

[Anonymous No.11145594]

>>11145568
On foreign lands. America owes a lot of people a lot of reparations

[Anonymous No.11145606]

>>11145568
America was already formed. Europeans just slapped a new name on it

[Anonymous No.11145812]

>>11145606
Europeans came and formed states and a government. They created the country, white people are the natives.

[Anonymous No.11145821]

>>11144382
>spent most of my time in Lyon

Stopped reading there. Obvious bait.

[Anonymous No.11145825]

>>11144446
You are my pork pie.

[Anonymous No.11145826]

>>11144382
Because it is, what the fuck?

Also you're not American if you're hispanic. You're just a cringe mutt.

[Anonymous No.11145841]

>>11144758
Spain is in Europe, dum dum.

[Anonymous No.11145879]

>>11144382
>American
>(hispanic)
Pick one you dirt beaner.

>>11145594
America owes nobody shit. The victor has the spoils and all is right with the world. Fuck off commie.

>>11145841
Spain is in Europe like Egypt is in the middle east. The map says yes but their genes say no. In other words Spain is in Europe but the Spanish are not European.

[Anonymous No.11145883]

I'm from Italy. I think British and Irish cuisine gets a bad reputation because you literally just listed about third of all the dishes that they have that are worth a damn. The rest of them are laughable (toast sandwiches), ghastly to look at (stargazy pie) or downright horrid (jellied eels).

I'll say this: they have some of the best desserts of any nation on Earth. Way better than Italy. We have really rather bad desserts, save a few.

>>11144446
dafuq
Borneo's back on /ck/? Now all we need is Hearts and her /ck/ advent and things'll be hunky dory again.

[Anonymous No.11145884]

>>11144382
>I'm an American (hispanic)
There’s no need to repeat yourself.

[Anonymous No.11145885]

>>11145841
You know there were other people here before the Spaniards, right? Their genes are still present.

[Anonymous No.11145894]

>>11145812
>Europeans illegally immigrated and set up institutions to justify their theft of land from natives
ftfy

[Anonymous No.11145897]

>>11145894
show me the laws of this nations before the USA was formed that deemed us illegal you socialist faggot people like you need to be shot

[Anonymous No.11145903]

>>11145812
I do believe there was already quite an advanced civilization in central and southern america before the Europeans m8. There were also plenty of native encampments strewn throughout northern america.

[Anonymous No.11145904]

>>11145080
wagon burners are Asians you stupid cunt are you people so stupid as to think that people have lived on this hunk of land for ever thru all the asteroids and ice ages

[Anonymous No.11145919]

>>11145897
So you admit under current laws the founding fathers were illegal immigrants. Great!

[Anonymous No.11145923]

>>11145903
inform me of their laws and sovereignty please. pro tip you cant because rock sharpeners don't believe in ownership or possessions this land is ours don't like get a gun and fight me spic lover

[Anonymous No.11145930]

>>11145919
under our current laws we are legal you mindless kid fucker. we created the laws that make the US was it is. Are you dense or just to busy looking at child porn to process the fact

[Anonymous No.11145933]

>>11145923
I wish I could, but any trace of it has been erased by the illegals that came through and genocided the natives

[Anonymous No.11145936]

>>11145930
Really? Because we came here undocumented by the boatload and set up illegal settlements. I dont think that's covered under current law m80

[Anonymous No.11145940]

>>11145933
so you have no proof of anything other than some muds lived here and sold their land to us? ok cool story bro kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11145951]

>>11145936

You see how well that worked out for the natives?

You really want to let what happened to them happen to you too?

[Anonymous No.11145952]

>>11145936
The people that came here created the law you fucking retard are you getting enough oxygen to the brain?

[Anonymous No.11145959]

>>11145951
So you admit the Europeans were illegal immigrants. Great!

[Anonymous No.11145960]

>>11145951
FTW

[Anonymous No.11145965]

>>11145959
THERE WERE NO STANDING LAWS TO MAKE US ILLEGAL FAGGOT KILL YOURSELF. You show me a law on the books pre European take over

[Anonymous No.11145968]

>>11145959

By whose laws?

[Anonymous No.11145975]

>>11145968
this faggot has no clue he also has no T or a GF he is a retard that needs a bullet in him

[Anonymous No.11145981]

>>11145965
Says who? You?

[Anonymous No.11145986]

>>11145959
>>11145965
>>11145960
>>11145952
>>11145951
Pro tip: in Trump's America, "illegal immigrant" is just code for "brown people"

t. illegal immigrant who took your jerrrbs

[Anonymous No.11146005]

>>11145594
>Gibs me sum dat mony wypipo
Lmao

[Anonymous No.11146008]

>>11146005
Well I suppose it's their money as the vast majority of them are more white than native now...

[Anonymous No.11146011]

>>11144382
Anglos make really comfy food that is really good in the Fall

[Anonymous No.11146013]

>>11145986
brown people is code for sub human scum that needs to be shot
>>11145981
says history show me proof otherwise and ill cuck to the brown cock like you have faggot but you cant because the local mud is to stupid to help themselves

[Anonymous No.11146015]

>>11145975

That's not fair. Could just be a case of more compassion than brains.

[Anonymous No.11146018]

>>11145594
lol wagon burners aren't worth a bullet I say we smash their heads in with rocks like we used to when the were saving ammo

[Anonymous No.11146024]

>>11146015
nah no one cucks to the brown cock the like for no reason

[Anonymous No.11146025]

>>11146013
How brave!

[Anonymous No.11146030]

>>11146013
Based and red pilled!!!

[Anonymous No.11146043]

>>11145986
Bullshit. There are tons of Asian and Eastern European illegals I want gone just as much as Hispanics. I don’t even want the ones with jobs paying taxes kicked out. They can have residency for all I care.

[Anonymous No.11146055]

>>11146043
>but {random Nazi} is married to an Asian, so how can I be racist?

[Anonymous No.11146073]

>>11146055
Based and redpilled!

[Anonymous No.11146109]

>>11146043
I want them all gone were close tho brother

[Anonymous No.11146142]

Reminder that mac and cheese is english

[Anonymous No.11146348]

>>11146109
>people actually fell for the /pol/ meme
Truly embarrassing

[Anonymous No.11146417]

>>11146348
>an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
All ideologies are memes, you fucking clown.

[Anonymous No.11146427]

The answer is ignorant cunts who can't be fucked learning about British food. Now Australia has no cuisine of its own, but the quality of produce easily makes up for it.

[Anonymous No.11146438]

>>11144535
Kebabs are not British dumbass

[Anonymous No.11146452]

For people who don't like in England:

What would happen if a British restaurant opened in your country?

[Anonymous No.11146464]

>>11144728
>Choose 0.56
Choose 5.56

[Anonymous No.11146480]

>>11146417
Why do you think that is relevant?

[Anonymous No.11146484]

>>11146452
>What would happen if a British restaurant opened in your country?
The police would make them change their name to something in French

t. Quebec

[Anonymous No.11146493]

>>11146417
>implying one's worldview isn't primarily influenced by genetics
Why else would all Jews, even non-practicing, be hell-bent on societal destruction, parasitism, and obsessed with feces? What of the genetically low-T and high-T, and their genetic propensity for fight versus flight?

[Anonymous No.11146542]

>>11146417
Lay off the meth, cletus

[Anonymous No.11146824]

>>11145930
You’ve got pedophilia on the brain huh big guy?

[Anonymous No.11146839]

>>11146018
Think if you were in a situation that involved hand to hand combat your wannabe ass would be getting a new rock shaped skylight in your dome

[Anonymous No.11146844]

>>11146493
Explain Alan Dershowitz

[Anonymous No.11147251]

>>11144382
Because OP, a lot of places are fucking awful at cooking. You get shit like stale bread, soggy chips, and food drowned in sauce. Overcooked fish is common. The vegetables are always presented as an uninspired side with almost no work gone into preparing them. They're never done creatively; they aren't pickled, they aren't combined, and they're usually not seasoned.

I've literally been into fish and chip shops that couldn't cook chips.
UK kebabs are the most disgusting thing on this planet. I say this as someone who enjoyed kebabs in Germany.
Foreign food, prepared by foreigners, is usually far better than our own cooking.
We excel at cooking meat, cooking some vegetables, and then slathering it in gravy.
Our fine dining is over prepared, pretentious nonsense.
Simultaneously, our simple food is so under prepared it's bland and a fucking joke.

We are capable of simple foods, or over complicated shit. There's no middle ground. Half the time even simple foods are butchered.

[Anonymous No.11147279]

>>11144447
kino

[Anonymous No.11147411]

>>11147251
>Our fine dining is over prepared, pretentious nonsense.

You just described South Korea's fine dining experience. I can see why British expats enjoy dining out very extensively in Seoul than their American counterparts.

[Anonymous No.11147501]

>>11144382
restaurants have to have good food or they close

[Anonymous No.11148521]

>>11146844
Alan Dershowitz is everything he described, the fuck you want him to explain? He gets btfo'd by Norman Finkelstein in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeTpKASahAc

[Anonymous No.11148654]

>>11144382
fuck england

[Anonymous No.11148729]

>>11145825

Unironically based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11148768]

>>11145883
Wait, why are Italian desserts rather bad? Also, what are the British desserts that are good? Thank you, grazie!

[Anonymous No.11149074]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tNWYclVn-Q

[Anonymous No.11149131]

>>11147411
I've met a couple of chefs. In the UK if you're doing fine dining, and you're not the head chef/sous, you'll likely only be preparing ONE STAGE of that meal. For it to be fine doing, there have to be 9 ingredients. Head chefs purposefully break up their recipes amongst the staff so that they can't copy it (as they'll either have rosettes or stars). It is garbo desu.

[Anonymous No.11150224]

>>11144463
Japs eat seaweed, dude. Their opinions on food aren't exactly valid.

[Anonymous No.11150953]

>>11144446
trip-quads confirm truth

[Anonymous No.11150965]

>>11144382
British food is considered "bad" because they compete against French, Italian, Greek, and German food.

Compared to (at minimum) France and Italy, every country's food looks blah.

Britain was too focused on conquering the world to develop haute cuisine.

[Anonymous No.11150991]

>>11144382
>spam pie
how is this considered good in your mind?

[Anonymous No.11151317]

>>11150224
>hating on seaweed

[Anonymous No.11151361]

English food is for men. French is for fags.

>t. american

[Anonymous No.11151443]

>>11145951
>mesistos crossing the border and integrating is the same as bongs creating their own settlements and warring with natives, then getting their own countries to claim huge swaths of land

where are the fucking brazilian colony charters?

[Anonymous No.11151445]

>>11144446
>an old, outdated meme from rationing during the world war.
Rationing was much worse everywhere else in Europe than Britain so no, your theory is plain retarded.

[Anonymous No.11151457]

>>11146043
this. we need a fucking yellow card system with increased taxes, legally required to have a job, less govt help and if theyre good they get a green card.

[Anonymous No.11151469]

>>11146417
ok dick dawkins, lets have a discussion about how the idea of god being real is a dangerous meme.

[Anonymous No.11151477]

>>11146452
we have east coast food and "irish" pubs in burgerland, which kinda equal out into bong food.

[Anonymous No.11151491]

>>11146493
unless by societal destruction you mean a disproportionately high amount of scientific research and progress, the evidence simply isnt there.

>but muh rich jews, muh soros
you have the koch brothers who killed kansas's economy for a sec and rupert murdock who funds news organizations even the right sees as biased.

[Anonymous No.11152202]

Agreed, it's not bad, just another northern euro cuisine without easy access to exotic produce and spices. What's funny is that it's mostly americans that mock it like american "cuisine" isn't basically just british plus some nigger and mexican influence

[Anonymous No.11152353]

I'm Asian American and my gf is Scottish. We went to Edinburgh and London and tried all the food op posted

I especially liked pork pies and black pudding

It's pretty good stuff, just rather unimaginative. /ck/ is honestly just full of shitposters with a few people who know their stuff

[Anonymous No.11152915]

>>11145883
Literally none of those things are Irish, you swarthy Sardinian Jew.

[Anonymous No.11152923]

>>11144756
You're a filthy mutt, Paco.

[Anonymous No.11154502]

>>11150224
Almost every country In Europe has some seaweed dishes

[Anonymous No.11154510]

>>11150965
>German food
>sausages, pretzels, mustard and pickled cabbage
real intimidating competition there

[Anonymous No.11154519]

>>11151445
Not really. Rationing was worse everywhere else in Europe but Britain is an island that was isolated from the mainland and their supply lines were crippled by u-boats. The rest of Europe had the advantage of actually being able to have food brought in from the outside.

[Anonymous No.11154640]

>>11154519
You dont understand the meaning of
‘Worse’ do you?

[Anonymous No.11154668]

>>11144382
It's mostly memes and complete lack of knowledge of what actual English food is like, for example see

>>11145883
Who genuinely seems to think Stargazy Pie, jellied eels and toast sandwiches are part of our staple diet

[Anonymous No.11154684]

>>11154640
I understand the meaning of "worse" just fine. If you can't discern the difference between rationing and the repercussions of undersupplying, I call into question your understanding of what "rationing" means.

[Anonymous No.11154691]

>>11154510
thats like saying british food is beans, toast sandwiches, jellied eels, and pudding. German food is baller as shit.

[Anonymous No.11154729]

I thought beef wellington was American wtf.

[Anonymous No.11154732]

>>11144382
It's not bad per se, it's just unimaginative

[Anonymous No.11154749]

>>11154729
This might come as a shock to you, but fries, burgers, apple pie and hot dogs aren't american either

[Anonymous No.11154759]

>>11154691
what are some good dishes? i've been to germany a few times but never really enjoyed the german food. i normally find the best meals i have are the turkish stuff

[Anonymous No.11154767]

>>11154684
Pic related shows what the English were actually eating during the war. This takes into account undersupplying. Obviously you cannot ration something that you don't even have because of lack of supply.

And as was posted much earlier in the thread, the idea of war rationing having anything to do with this is nonsense, given that Beeton (and others) wrote about it in the 1850's. That's nearly a hundred years BEFORE WWII.

[Anonymous No.11154831]

>>11154767
>what they were actually eating
Bread, meat and fat? Holy shit, pure luxury.

[Anonymous No.11154844]

>>11154831
The point is that the French had it far worse yet they didn't sustain a blow to their cuisine reputation because of it. Yeah yeah, the brits had a naval blockade that sunk a small % of the incoming ships. The French were OCCUPIED, and their food taken by the Germans. That's a whole different level of suck, and their cuisine didn't suffer for it.

The idea that war rationing was responsible for the poor reputation of British food is nonsense. Not only was their rationing not as severe as elsewhere in Europe where there was no culinary reputation impact, but the reputation was poor for at least a century beforehand.

[Anonymous No.11154854]

>>11154767
>This takes into account undersupplying
The only reason brits had more availability of those is because they converted every spare yard of land into agricultural allotments. They were growing their own food. That's not to mention that the common citizenry of France was under occupation and being deprived in order to maintain the lifestyle of axis officers who had taken up residence there. The reputation of french food at the time would have been upheld by those privileged enough to not be affected so severely by the rationing, while every last brit felt the squeeze of rationing and the reputation that came with it was carried across by American soldiers stationed there.
Look at the allowance of sugars for an indication of how comparatively deprived they realistically were. Luxuries were cut back on simply so people could get enough the essentials.

Those figures lack a lot of context and are really quite disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.11154865]

>>11154854
>They were growing their own food.
Food you grew yourself wasn't rationed. The rationing only applied to food that you bought. If you grew your own fruit or veggies then you could eat as much as you wanted above and beyond the ration limits, so that angle doesn't even apply to the discussion. If you were to add homegrown veggies ("victory gardens") to the list they'd have even more food available, though that is difficult to measure because there was no record keeping of such a thing.

I also notice that you keep ignoring the fact that we have clearly documented proof of the poor reputation of Brit cuisine a hundred years beforehand. Again, blaming it on WW2 rationing is simply incorrect.

And claiming that the only reason the French culinary reputation survived was because a handful of rich Nazi brass maintained it? Nonsense. Everyone knows that life sucks during a war and then things spring back afterward. The problem here is obviously much earlier. From my research I think it is much more likely to have arisen from comparisons between British food and that of their colonial empire, as well as the fact that England was the center of the industrial revolution, which carried with it a massive amount of societal change. That is consistent with the timing of the writings of Beeton and others.

[Anonymous No.11154903]

>>11154865
>as well as the fact that England was the center of the industrial revolution, which carried with it a massive amount of societal change
underrated fact

bongs were too busy changing the industrial landscape to bother with fancy cooking and rightly left that to the continental fags with too much time on their hands

[Anonymous No.11154955]

>>11154865
You're right, I can't dispute that.
Rationing may not be the cause of the poor reputation of british food, but I still maintain that the proliferation of that reputation was absolutely facilitated by American soldiers stationed in Britain during WW2 responding to the impact rationing had on the food. It was happening to such an extent that they had to be told not to rag on them for it by their superiors, evidenced by the Instructions For American Servicemen Stationed In Britain 1942.

For the record, you seem like an educated person. If you haven't already, I recommend reading it. It's a fascinating insight into that time and place in history.

[Anonymous No.11154960]

>>11154865
The point about the industrial revolution is a good one, most people were poor as shit - households were spending over half their budget just on bread, and even then the flour was bulked up with sawdust, chalk and bone.

It's not like there's only one fundamental reason though. WW2 killed off a large part of a generation (London's only recently returned to its pre-war population), and spurred the development of ready made and substitute foods, as well as thinned out recipes, which added to the reputation for the cuisine being poor as people continued to rely on them. Yes, people grew their own food, but Britain is a small country, and was importing 70% of its food at the time. Other countries may have had worse rationing, but would have had more ability to grow a greater range of crops.

[Anonymous No.11154971]

>>11154955
>but I still maintain that the proliferation of that reputation was absolutely facilitated by American soldiers stationed in Britain during WW2 responding to the impact rationing had on the food
Oh, I'm sure they did proliferate that opinion. And it did on the British home front too (I am American, but my father is British and he was a child during the war, so I've heard what it was like to grow up during that firsthand) The war certainly didn't help things. But it likewise was not the source of that reputation either.

>> I recommend reading it. It's a fascinating insight into that time and place in history.
I'll check it out. I am interested in Military history, and so was my father. I have inherited a huge pile of books related to the war, with a whole bunch of it related to the Home Guard in Essex. (My grandfather was an Air Raid marshal).

I also love a lot of British food, which is why I find this subject interesting. I've traveled a lot, and IME all cuisines have some great dishes and they also have stinkers. British is no different, but its reputation strangely is, so this is something I've been researching myself to try and figure out where it comes from.

[Anonymous No.11155010]

>>11154960
Adding to this, rationing lasted a very long time in Britain, it wasn't fully stopped until nearly a decade after the war ended. With women going to work in factories and the military too, I think a large proportion of the population just lost the passed down knowledge of cookery, almost starting from scratch.

[Anonymous No.11155043]

>>11155010
Sure, nobody is denying the fact that WW2 had a huge impact. But it's clearly not the original source of the reputation, since we have historical evidence discussing that reputation which predates the postwar period by a century.

[Anonymous No.11155057]

>>11155043
I think anon's point is that there isn't just one main factor that answers the question
the industrial revolution was arguably the biggest setback in the development of british cuisine but any chance they had to redeem that reputation was shot by the compromises they had to make as a nation in response to the pressures placed upon them by world war 2

the idea that they still can't cook a decent meal is just memes at this point, I've eaten very well the few times I've been to england, even if it wasn't exactly molecular gastronomy
but speaking of molecular gastronomy they did also produce heston blumenthal so that's a feather in their cap on that front

[Anonymous No.11155067]

It's even ingrained in our language,
Mutton (mouton)- Sheep
Pork (porc)- Pig
Beef (boeuf)- Cow
Those are basically just the French & then the English words for those animals. The virgin English farm it, then the chad French cook it and eat it.

[Anonymous No.11155071]

>>11155057
>there isn't just one main factor that answers the question
Well, I can't speak for everyone, but my the question I'd like to answer is "where did it come from". Since we know it was discussed during the Victorian period, we can ignore anything afterward. War rationing might have sustained the reputation or even made it worse or more widespread but it's certainly not the *origin*, and therefore irrelevant to my curiosity.

I haven't gotten around to it yet, but I'm curious to look at other historical sources from before the Victorian period to see exactly when this sort of thing first started popping up.

[Anonymous No.11155083]

>>11155067
>bloated, soft-handed noble fairies
>chad
lol dream on froggy

[Anonymous No.11155085]

>>11155083
aye lad, but they ate well innit

[Anonymous No.11155091]

>>11155085
up until you beheaded the entire strata of your society responsible for that linguistic trend, thereby voiding your claim to any association with them

[Anonymous No.11155103]

>>11155067
But Brits never served the French. Historically your two nations were famed enemies. Those words stem from the germanic, who actually were the servant class. Brits just borrowed the terminology.

[Anonymous No.11155117]

>>11155103
>But Brits never served the French.
kek

[Anonymous No.11155118]

>>11155091
not french lad
>>11155103
I thought france for long periods of history had conquest over england and bled them for resources?

[Anonymous No.11155128]

>>11155118
frog propaganda, trying to take credit for the dominance of the real chads, the normans
if they want to pretend the normans were theirs they've got about as much right to it as the brits do

[Anonymous No.11155138]

>>11155128
Normans = scandis + french, in france, allied to france, no?

[Anonymous No.11155159]

>>11155138
only inasmuch as modern iranians get to take credit for the persian empire

[Anonymous No.11155195]

>>11155159
Perhaps even less so, considering Normans bastardized themselves with the Anglo-Saxons to produce the modern brit while the modern Iranian is arguably comparatively closer to the ancient Persian.

[Anonymous No.11155199]

>>11155159
modern Iranians are pretty cool, aside from the whole fundamentalism thing, i don't mind if they take credit for that
infact the more they culturally identify as Persians, the better

[Anonymous No.11155207]

>>11155195
yeah... while in the process of cucking england for the french
the invasion force was full of frenchmen

[Anonymous No.11155217]

>>11155207
The Norman was not a Frenchman. He was a Norman, a norse/roman bastard.

[Anonymous No.11155225]

>>11155217
He only existed to defend France, and at the pleasure of France, in France.

But that's not even what I meant. The invasion force had a lot of other, french french, in it.

[Anonymous No.11155235]

>>11155225
France did not exist.

[Anonymous No.11155269]

>>11155067
>The virgin English farm it, then the chad French cook it and eat it.
Godammit my sides. Now I want to see history retold via a massive series of virgin and chad memes.

[Anonymous No.11155342]

>>11155235
I'll admit that my history knowledge comes mostly from playing Age of Empires and watching The Rose of Versailles lol

I bet you know even less about my countries history though

[Anonymous No.11155373]

>>11155342
>I bet you know even less about my countries history though
Probably, I'll cop to that.

[Anonymous No.11155439]

>>11144799
>Mrs. Beeton's
Huh, I'd never actually read about her life before, but that book was published when she was just 25, and she died when she was 28.

[Anonymous No.11155477]

>>11155439
probably her shit cooking that killed her lol

[Anonymous No.11157079]

>>11144382
>hispanic
cringe

[Anonymous No.11158218]

>>11150224
so much truth, they eat shit in japan just to leave longer, they don't know what what taste good

>miss me with that weeaboo seaweed shit

[Anonymous No.11158230]

>>11144382
>I'm an American (hispanic)
You have to go back

[Anonymous No.11158359]

>>11145986
No, crossing the border between legal entrances is what makes their status in the country illegal. Also overstaying visas is another problem. If you keep trying to reduce every argument down to "hurr durr drumpf raycis" you wont be convincing anyone of anything.

[Anonymous No.11158460]

>all these people saying British food not bad
>forgetting that the entire wealth of the Empire was invested at one point in bringing spices from India just to get access to food that wasn't so bland by comparison

[Anonymous No.11158968]

>>11158218
>they eat shit in japan just to leave longer, they don't know what what taste good
But has anyonereallybeen faras decided to useevengo want to do look more like?

[Anonymous No.11159099]

>>11145022
t. Mutt Goblino

[Anonymous No.11159485]

>>11151445

The difference is before D-Day landings Americans were stationed for a while in Britain, they would have to eat British ration food (which was bad at the time obviously because of limited ingredients). They took this impression back to America and propagated the meme through popular culture down the decades, its usually American posters who here bash British food because they have adopted this same false impression.

[Anonymous No.11159493]

>>11144382
>I'm an American (hispanic)
you have to go back

[Anonymous No.11159531]

>>11155071
When the royal family became German high cuisine tried to become German and it all went tits up

[Anonymous No.11159541]

>>11159485
This is just another reverse-engineered myth. As someone else stated in this thread, British food had a poor reputation long before WW2

[Anonymous No.11159543]

>>11155225
The Normans almost took Paris dumb shit

[Anonymous No.11159798]

>>11159541
Got a source for Britain having a bad food reputation pre-world wars?

[Anonymous No.11159894]

>>11155235
>France did not exist
>In 1066 during the rule of Philip I
>Great grandson of Hugh Capet, widely considered the progenitor of the Kingdom of France
Normans spoke/speak a langue d'oil and the English aristocracy spoke primarily French for centuries after the conquest. The Normans were not Parisians by any means but they were most certainly Frenchmen. Rollo had settled in Normandy over a hundred and fifty years prior. They had plenty of time to assimilate.

[Anonymous No.11159910]

>>11159798
Read the thread, foolio. It's been mentioned multiple times.

Mrs. Beeton's book of household management was printed during the Victorian period and is widely considered "the" classic British cookbook. It's basically the Brit equivalent of Larousse or Escoffier for the French. It discusses "the abysmal reputation of British food abroad". It often praises the French, and uses the term "French Chef" as a synonym for a superlative cook.

[Anonymous No.11159914]

>>11159543
Nö they dient you stupid cunt

[Anonymous No.11159960]

>>11159910
Is there an actual source though? The only result for that phrase on google is a /ck/ thread, including searching through the copy of Beeton's on google books for "reputation".

[Anonymous No.11159966]

>>11159960
First find a legitimate source that international opinion on British food changed after WW2

[Anonymous No.11159972]

>>11159966
You first. Here:
https://www.exclassics.com/beeton/beetpdf1.pdf

[Anonymous No.11160001]

>>11159485
The ingredients theoretically weren't limited, it's that the government said "fuck growing onions and garlic: concentrate on potatoes" because they were only thinking in terms of nutrition and not morale.

[Anonymous No.11160015]

>>11160001
>"fuck growing onions and garlic: concentrate on potatoes" because they were only thinking in terms of nutrition and not morale.

That sounds like a limit to me. A justified one? Sure. But a limit nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.11160032]

>>11159976
lmao

I'm not even in disagreement that the food has had a bad reputation since the industrial revolution, I'm just curious about that particular quote, because I feel like I have read a similar one before, and I suspect it's just being misattributed to Beeton's.

[Anonymous No.11160050]

>>11160032
I'm the guy who first started posting about that on CK, starting a couple of years ago. I certainly read it in Beeton's, though I did not bother to remember the page number. It surprised me because I wasn't expecting to find it. I've long had curiosity about where exactly the "brit food sucks" meme comes from, and like many others I assumed it had to do with the war. I was quite shocked when I came across the quote because it shows clearly that the war rationing business had nothing to do with the origins of the reputation.

I can look for it later today when I'm not at work. My copy of Beeton's is an actual, physical, book and I don't have access to it here.

[Anonymous No.11160058]

>>11160015
My granny grew onions anyway because she was no fool and knew from WW1 and the Depression how wan things could get.

[Anonymous No.11160071]

>>11148768
They're not. South Italy dessert are good although dessert is objectively something in which we don't shine. I personally love ricotta based dessert but that's subjective.
South Italian dessert
> Struffoli
> Cassata
> Pastiera
> Sfogliatella (riccia)

Bonus: i think the prettiest sweet of the world is from Sardinia served in weddings. They taste bland tho

[Anonymous No.11160086]

>>11160071
A better one

[Anonymous No.11160125]

>>11146452
Most would probably find the concept weird because Irish and Brit food is basically the same thing and advertising how British you are won't win you any favour.

Though if they did a good lunch and had decent drink the posh wannabes would flock to it for a 'traditional British tea' in Dublin anyway.

[Anonymous No.11160146]

>>11160050
That'd be awesome. It wouldn't surprise me if I actually saw it in a foreword to an earlier edition, I just thought I was going nuts when I couldn't find it anywhere again.

[Anonymous No.11160578]

>>11160071
I want one.

[Anonymous No.11160648]

>>11160146
I've had a bit of time to browse and I haven't encountered that exact quote from above yet, but I did find an even better one. This is on page 49 in my book, and reads:

>>91. It has been asserted, that English cookery is, nationally speaking, far from being the best in the world. More than this, we have been frequently told by brilliant foreign writers, half philosophers, half chefs, that we are the *worst* cooks on the face of the earth, and that the proverb which alludes to the divine origin of food, and the precisely opposite origin of its preparers, is peculiarly applicable to us islanders.

[Anonymous No.11160655]

>>11160648
And to be clear, the term "worst" is in fact italicized for emphasis in the text.

[Anonymous No.11161067]

>>11160648
so lemme get this straight. according to what is widely considered THE definitive work on British cooking, the food is something straight out of hell itself?

[Anonymous No.11161079]

>>11160071

Are you forgetting of the legendary biancomangiare (blancmange) from Rome? I was searching for the recipe just yesterday.

Can't find a picture but, biancomangiare is a mythical creature.

[Anonymous No.11161452]

We're a nation denied our heritage. Most of our cuisine has been superseded by Continental dishes or influenced by Empire. For an island nation, we hardly eat much fish/seafood (like Osyter Chewitts, , it's pretty depressing. Our cuisine as it stands today though still excels at pies, slow roasted meats, whole pot dishes, sausages, game, cheeses, cakes puddings and sweets, and sauces; things I see Sicilians wanked over for things like falsomagro. Also stuff your peppercorn sauce up your pissflaps, you want a good brown sauce like Tiptree with a steak to complement and contrast the savoury flavours.

However there's plenty of brilliant places to eat out if you know where to look - there's a resurgence in pretty decent pub grub/street food recently. I agree with anon above that our fancy cuisine is overly complicated and full of faff, that's the Continental influence creeping in.

Good site with some old regional English recipes from around the 14th century onwards:

http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/references.htm
http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/englishq.htm

[Anonymous No.11161490]

>>11161079
My parents are from South and I was Born in Lombardia. I don't know much about "center Italy" sorry. But I know that biancomangiare was a medieval dish that was think was curative. It was made with all white ingredients: sugar, almonds, milk and chicken iirc. Then It lost the chicken and became a dessert.

[Anonymous No.11161499]

>>11160578
The are beautiful but the taste is meh unfortunately. Search for "coricheddos"

[Anonymous No.11161704]

>>11160648
Thanks for taking the time, and nice find. It's surprisingly hard to find contemporary accounts like that.

[Anonymous No.11161739]

>>11161499
What impresses me is that they're hand made, or at least it looks like they're crimped manually rather than just moulded as a whole piece.

[Anonymous No.11161770]

>>11161067
>according to what is widely considered THE definitive work on British cooking
>It has been asserted
>we have been frequently told
lmao

[Anonymous No.11161793]

>>11161704
Like I said earlier it was just dumb luck really. I bought the book because I am interested in British cooking. Discovering those tidbits was a nice bonus.

>>11161770
Have any other suggestions for other good British cookbooks to check out?