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[Anonymous No.11137299]

Why don't more people drink rum, tequila, vodka, etc. on its own to appreciate the flavour like we do brandy and whisky? The only time I've ever seen people drink rum is in a cocktail, or tequila with shots. Never seen a single person sip and enjoy a rum neat or on the rocks.

[Anonymous No.11137329]

They do. They just don't feel the need to justify why they drink it or make a show out of it like all the whiskey/bourbon fags do.

[Anonymous No.11137587]

>>11137299

I think it's a cultural thing. Rum isn't a particularly native to white people, so it never got ingrained to white society as something having a history of being cool. There was never a shot in a movie of a guy drinking rum, because rum wasn't where we started, and so they don't put it in because they know that whiskey and other European liquors are already cool.

TL;DR: people drink what they're shown, and nobody is shown to be cool and sipping rum at the same time.

Frankly rum is delicious and should be had neat more often.

[Anonymous No.11137594]

>>11137329

I've never actually seen whiskey people bragging about it here, just people complaining that they do.

[Anonymous No.11137603]

>>11137299
They don't want to admit they don't know the difference between white and spiced rum

[Anonymous No.11137605]

>>11137587

>rum is delicious and should be had neat more often
Agreed

I really need to get a decent bottle of rum. I have multiple spiced rums but no regular dark rum. I just cant decide which.

[Anonymous No.11137622]

>>11137605

Only non-spiced rum I've had is El Dorado 8, and I was pleased.

[Anonymous No.11137632]

>>11137594
>>11132033

[Anonymous No.11137641]

>>11137594
Leddit: the argument.
>"I've never seen it, so it doesn't happen!"

[Anonymous No.11137660]

I only started drinking other hard liquors neat because I worked at an upscale liquor store for a while. It took some time to finally ignore the burn and overcome the college induced gag reflex via the burn. I think a lot of people are still stuck in that phase, so drinking hard liquor straight will make them gag still.

[Anonymous No.11137663]

>>11137632
>>11137641

The thread is just people talking about a thing they like, where are they trying to make a big deal about it?
Literally the second post is someone trying to shit on them when the OP only asked for recommendations.

>>11137641
A question is not an argument. I'm asking to be shown where it happens, because I haven't yet.

[Anonymous No.11137681]

>>11137663
No. The thread is asking a question about rum, tequila, and vodka drinkers appreciating their drink like a whiskey or brandy drinker in a form that OP has apparently never seen.

[Anonymous No.11137763]

>>11137681

Not this thread, the linked thread, >>11132033

Sorry to confuse you.

[Anonymous No.11137769]

>>11137299

Vodka is by law as devoid of character as possible. It's impossible to appreciate vodka because anything appreciable isn't in it.

[Anonymous No.11137770]

>>11137299
what are you on about? straight vodka just tastes like a hot streak going down your throat

[Anonymous No.11137780]

>>11137632
There's no bragging in that thread at all wtf

[Anonymous No.11137788]

>>11137780
Lol. Ok

[Anonymous No.11137826]

>>11137299
I do, or at least try to. Theres a lot of shitty vodkas out there, also a lot of shitty rums, to the point where I just avoid them because I can only assume the producers know that they'll just be used as a mixer.

Got a bottle of Diplomatico Reserva through the week, looking forwards to opening that up.

Also, on vodka, don't go out and buy Grey Goose, its overpriced and shit. I'd rather drink Crystal Skull and that was overpriced too. Theres a Tasmanian distiller making sheeps whey vodka, that stuff was nice.

[Anonymous No.11137856]

>>11137299

Most rum and tequila is terrible, anon. So its mixer tier. Same goes for vodka.

Both rum and tequila are meant to be sipped like whiskey. You just have to know who makes good stuff to actually drink it straight.

Go to places where they actually produce the stuff and you'll see people simply sip.

[Anonymous No.11137869]

>>11137299
>sip and enjoy
>on the rocks
fuck you autobot

[Anonymous No.11137895]

>>11137788

I'm starting to think anti-whiskey people are just /ck/'s secret trolls, hiding in the shadows of the 'vark

[Anonymous No.11137908]

>>11137299
I drink rum with water all the time. Don't need to add anything else to it, it's a sweet liquor.

[Anonymous No.11137919]

>>11137856
Tequila and vodka are not to be taken neat. Only Mexicans and Russians do that.
Tequila is ok with some lime and salt. Vodka is ok with some soda water and citrus. Both require at least two 'mixers'.
Rum can be taken neat, or with water. Much like a good scotch, or blend.

[Anonymous No.11137960]

Most rum isn't worth drinking neat. There isn't really a rum equivalent to single malt scotch or small batch bourbon. In most countries there's no requirement to list added sugar, artificial colors or flavors etc added to rum. That number that you see on the bottle doesn't mean much. Even if it says 12 or 24 on it there's no guarantee that it contains more than a few drops of rum that old in the blend. It's prohibitively expensive to age rum that long in the Caribbean heat. You'd lose most of it to evaporation. That's not to say there aren't any high end or boutique brands that offer truth in advertising.

Plenty of people drink tequila straight. Ultra premium tequilas were a bigger fad a few years back but there still are tequila bars and high end brands that sell for hundreds of dollars a bottle. If you're drinking vodka straight trying to appreciate all the subtle nuances from one brand to the next you might have a budding career in being a water sommelier. A lot of vodka brands don't even distill their own alcohol.

Then again there are a lot of bourbon brands that buy from industrial distillers, as well. A good way to check is to look them up on Google maps. If you can see large column stills, or at least the room for them, they probably distill their own. If you don't, it's likely another company delivers them alcohol and they just water it down and age it.

[Anonymous No.11137964]

I drink plain martinis on the regular.

[Anonymous No.11137970]

>>11137329
Prettyuch this. I dip good dark rum when I can spare the cash. I enjoy it, but I don't do it to seem manly like most wiskey fans.

[Anonymous No.11137981]

>>11137594
I have. Often. There's at least 1 new thread every 3-4 days.

[Anonymous No.11137999]

>>11137981

Just because there's a thread doesn't mean they're making a statement about it. Is there anything wrong with people containing themselves within a dedicated thread to talk about a thing they like?

[Anonymous No.11138721]

>>11137299
I drink vodka straight and appreciate some parts of it like how clear the vodka is. Sorta like assessing sparkling water like a doughbag.
>>11137769
This guy is also correct. Drinking vodka is like drinking water but there are different tiers of water. You have to have real shit taste if you like arrowhead water.

[Anonymous No.11138723]

>>11137299
Are there people on /ck/ who actually drink brandy regularly?
I always assumed quality brandy was very expensive.
There are some great cocktails that use brandy, though.

[Anonymous No.11139575]

>>11138723

I like the St.Remy VSOP. It's pretty cheap stuff, but it has sort of a chocolate-covered-fruits taste to it (Think brookside candies) that I like it's all around plenty worth the money to me.

Never really tried other brandies though. I had one that was like butter and red licorice that I gave away. Might try Hennessy next time I have $20 to burn on a 200ml.

[Anonymous No.11139583]

>>11137299
Rum has very little quality control, and the good stuff will always cost you. White rums are almost always gonna be quaffed down or put into cocktails, and there's all sorts of lax regulations on aging requirements or what it's even aged in for dark rums.

Anejo tequila is a completely different beast to reposado or plata tequila, and hasn't seem to have caught on with non-mexicans here in the USA. I don't like it, personally, although I love tequila period. It's also surprising how many mezcals exist in the Mexican market that haven't come to the states (and probably never will). It's the equivalent to how much armagnac isn't available here.

Vodka is not something to be savored, really. Even in vodka belt countries, it's drunk ice cold and in quick shots, usually with some snacks or a meal.

[Anonymous No.11139711]

>>11137919
>Tequila is ok with some lime and salt.
This is just a marketing trick that the makers of shitty tequila came up with. Actual 100% de agave tequila doesn't need lime or salt.

[Anonymous No.11139725]

>>11137299
If I understand it correctly, the better the vodka the less it will taste. It's not really something to savor like whiskey.

[Anonymous No.11139732]

>>11137587
Rum and tequila has always been shit tier for taste and quality. It was always cheap swill, so you're right about the culture thing. Everyone has made better liquor from gin to bourbon, but now have the brown people tried making a better product. And they do this by using the same methods as everyone else: better ingredients, and barrel aging for long periods of time.

[Anonymous No.11139741]

It seems that craft beer fags have now found a niche in the spirits scene.

If people want a nice rum and coke let them enjoy it OP you pretentious cunt

[Anonymous No.11139746]

>>11139732
>rum shit tier in TASTE

[Anonymous No.11139753]

>>11139725
this is true

[Anonymous No.11139762]

>>11137299
Rhum is so fucking good. I like it in cocktails but also "natural" (but without ice cubes for me), if it's a good one. And I've also 2 bottles of arranged rhum I made, slowly aging since like 6 months. Can't wait to drink it with some friends.
On the opposite side I just can't understand the appeal of Vodka. I tasted tons and tons of Vodka, and every time it just tastes like 90% alcohol diluted in water. The shit is so fucking bland to me.
As for Tequila (and mezcal), I just don't drink it that much since I just hate the taste.

[Anonymous No.11139777]

>>11139725
Not really, there can be plenty of taste in vodka. Most people just don't give it a chance or drink the wrong vodkas. Of course you'll have to drink plenty and build up some experience before you start noticing the differences.

[Anonymous No.11139794]

Yeah people look at me like a mad man for sipping straight tequila, it’s by far my favorite spirit. Reposado tequila and soda is also very good.

[Anonymous No.11139803]

>>11137856
>>11137919
You know that just because you’ve never had good tequila doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, right? Yes, most tequilas you see in stores and bars are shit, just like most whiskeys you see in stores and bars are shit. Saying all tequila needs lime and salt is like saying all whiskey needs coke because youve only ever had Jack Daniel.

[Anonymous No.11139804]

>>11139777

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/5.22

(1) “Vodka” is neutral spirits so distilled, or so treated after distillation with charcoal or other materials, as to be without distinctive character, aroma, taste, or color.

>as to be without distinctive character, aroma, taste, or color.
>without distinctive character


Canada has basically the same law in place.
Unless you're not North American, you're deluding yourself.

[Anonymous No.11139815]

>>11139804
Laws can say whatever they want but it doesn't change the fact that many of the Russian vodkas I've drank have had distinct tastes.

[Anonymous No.11139822]

>>11139815
They all do, he's retarded, as evidenced by the last sentence especially. If you took his statement as fact, flavored vodka would be illegal.

[Anonymous No.11139830]

>>11139822

If you read the other laws on the page, you'd read that flavourings are additive and not part of the definition of the spirit. Flavoured vodka is vodka with stuff in it, and so can't be defined the same way pure vodka would be. Retard.

>>11139815
Did you read the "Unless you're not North American" part? Of course the law wouldn't affect product made outside of NA.

[Anonymous No.11139833]

>>11139822
He's right about the fact that vodka by definition is a neutral spirit but that doesn't mean the distillers can or are trying to remove all taste from their product.

[Anonymous No.11139835]

>>11137299
Oh but I do. Visited the Bacardi factory in Puerto Rico a few years ago and samples the 8+ year aged stuff. Complete changed how I see rum I have a glass of it now once a week

[Anonymous No.11139839]

So all vodka is the same in North America, so you might as well buy the popov

[Anonymous No.11139840]

>>11139833

Given vodka is mostly just used to make other things alcoholic, and the "I drink vodka neat" crowd is tiny, wouldn't it make more sense for them to do it, so that people don't pick a less flavourful brand, since it would be easier to mix with?

[Anonymous No.11139848]

>>11139840
The flavours aren't so noticeable that you could pick them up from a mixed drink so you can easily mix with any vodka.

[Anonymous No.11139891]

Why does the U.S. not allow liquor to be made from fossil fuels? Is it just because it's "icky"?

[Anonymous No.11139902]

>>11139891

That's some real weak bait there, anon.

[Anonymous No.11139905]

>>11137299
because the spirits that can be enjoyed alone are expensive AF
you get a good bottle of mezcal once on a blue moon because that shit is almost 100 bucks

[Anonymous No.11139907]

>>11139732
Get better rum you fucking trogdolyte

[Anonymous No.11139986]

>>11137299
Bartender here. When people order something neat or on the rocks it's how I know they actually enjoy and appreciate drinking, and not just use it as a catalyst to get wasted and do stupid shit in my bar.

[Anonymous No.11139987]

>>11137587
>Rum isn't a particularly native to white people
Try telling that to an Australian, cunt.

[Anonymous No.11139995]

>>11139987
Most of the nation is actually a little embarrassed about Queensland.

[Anonymous No.11140003]

>>11137641
>My non-argument happens cause I say so guys
Hello tumblr

[Anonymous No.11140013]

>>11137770
The good stuff doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11140018]

>>11139907
Such as

[Anonymous No.11140055]

>>11139986
>bartender here
>thinks only neat drinks is enjoying drinks
>smarter than 100 years of international barman association
>bartender here

[Anonymous No.11140064]

>>11139835
sorry your best rum experience was with the FALSE Bacardi.
Now try the REAL Bacardi in Cuba

[Anonymous No.11140069]

>>11140064
Everything's better when made by commies, right?

[Anonymous No.11140079]

>>11140055
Would you trust a plumber association that told you a washer should never be replaced by an amateur? Same thing when a bartender association claims that professionally mixed drinks are even comparable to neat spirits simply poured into a glass.

[Anonymous No.11140080]

Rum is my fave sipper. I can't get down with the idea of sipping tequila though because it is fucking disgusting, that's why people shoot it with salt and lime to make it tolerable

[Anonymous No.11140083]

>>11139987
get flooded sheep shagger

[Anonymous No.11140090]

>>11140079
Only people I know that drink straight are full blown alcoholics and functional alcoholics.

[Anonymous No.11140094]

>>11140080
People shoot cheap, additive-laden "tequila" with salt and lime. The good stuff goes down fine on its own.

[Anonymous No.11140102]

>>11140079
Never be replaced by an amateur? Clearly not.

But I've met and worked with a lot of people whom I would never trust with a wrench in their hand. As a person with a lot experience doing home, auto, etc, repairs I have no problem doing just about any kind of plumbing work. I even have experience operating heavy equipment. Dig up and replace a septic tank? Done it. But on the other hand of the spectrum there are a lot of people who fail at "righty tighty".

[Anonymous No.11140106]

>>11137299
>rum
most people associate rum with Bacardi, which is cheap swill. Even good rum is generally treated as a mixer. It just tastes like alcoholic molasses.

>tequila
people DO drink fine tequila and mescal. It's a pretty huge thing.

>vodka
it's all the same and the whole point is that it tastes like nothing. Premium luxury vodka is the biggest scam in the history of alcohol.

[Anonymous No.11140145]

Well because most of those spirits are not worth drinking alone, they are plain nasty most of the time, meaningless if you're lucky. And if someone says he drinks a commercial clear rum or tequila neat to appreciate it, I'd say he has very poor taste or is trying to impress without having a clue.
Most of the bottlings are actually meant by the producer to be mixed, even for rum or tequila which actually in principle can be made into fine drinks. Of course there are exceptions and I do enjoy a nice rum or gin sometimes.
With whisky, there is a lot of nasty stuff out there, but since it is less suites to cocktails, the offer of good bottles is comparatively greater, and the main market is not cocktails.

[Anonymous No.11140156]

>>11137960
This

[Anonymous No.11140161]

>>11137587
Pirate movies?

[Anonymous No.11140252]

>>11137299
I don't drink the alcohol jew

[Anonymous No.11140293]

>>11140094
The perennial counter argument to someone not liking something:
"You just haven't had the good stuff"

I've had "good" tequila kid, it still triggers my gag reflex. Idk, maybe it's just personal preference. You can aquire a taste for literal shit if you try hard enough, that's doesn't make it "good" all the sudden.

[Anonymous No.11140338]

>>11137587
I agree but it's mostly AMERICAN culture. What does America produce? Beer and whiskey because America grows grains and corn more than anything else. Other than a bit of California wine it's all Canadian and European, which is why wine is a sissy gay drink. I'd say the alcohol industry has at least one finger in Hollywood

[Anonymous No.11140501]

>>11137299
i like tequila neat

[Anonymous No.11140533]

>>11140252
>the alcohol jew
Fucking pathetic.
Put a second of thought into it when you use that meme next time, you low-effort faggot.
Could easily have gone with "fermented Jew" or "distilled Jew"
Weak shit.

[Anonymous No.11140803]

>>11137299
They do, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.11140809]

>>11140252
Nobody asked you, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11142184]

>>11137299
I feel like every time I drink high proof alcohol my mouth is too busy being burnt raw so I can't really "appreciate" the flavor

[Anonymous No.11142537]

>>11137641
Retard: the argument
>It happens but just take my word that I've seen it!

[Anonymous No.11142572]

>>11137919
>Tequila and vodka are not to be taken neat
>Only their countries of origin drink it that way
do you even process your own thoughts before you share them with the world

[Anonymous No.11142644]

>>11137587
>rum isn't particularly native to white people
it's kind of the opposite honestly, rum was THE drink of the 13 colonies, with the distilling done there, and because of that it was more of a staple than a luxury good. thing a lifecycle like rye, except saved from that window of complete irrelevance (and blocked from edgy rediscovery) by mixing well with coke.

scotch, bourbon, and brandy as drunk in the us are all products with a particular rich and prestigious geographical association, which is why people want to show off by drinking specific brands neat rather than grabbing a handle of whatever to get hammered, which is why producers can afford to put the effort into differentiating, which is why there are now bottles worth doing so with on every packy shelf. no one wants to pretend they're from boston or the carribean so top-shelf rum takes some looking, though i'll occasionally have a neat barbancourt 15.

[Anonymous No.11142788]

Strange phenomena for sure. Had a whiskeyfag friend try some Smith and Cross the other day and their surprised reaction was "it's as complex as a scotch!" About half the price, too.

[Anonymous No.11142800]

When I drink Vodka neat people ask me if I have a drinking problem.

[Anonymous No.11143123]

>>11142800
your esophagus and stomach probably ask a similar question

why would you choose to drink neat vodka?

[Anonymous No.11143132]

I always thought that by definition vodka had to be colorless and flavorless. The others you can definitely make a case for, but isn't trying to judge the best vodka analogous to "best spring water?"

[Anonymous No.11143347]

>>11142184
Try liqueurs that are 30-35% instead of 40%. It makes a big difference, for me at least. The trouble is finding liqueurs that aren't obviously just cocktail ingredients. If you can stand the liquorice taste sambuca is nice to drink straight, or you could be one of the five people who don't use jaeger for jasgerbombs

[Anonymous No.11143394]

Every bartender except the black guy that fills in sometimes knows my usual drink order at the bar next to my work. I go in there usually a few times in the evening as I finish my shift, then go hang there after work for a few more.

I drink a Cuervo on the rocks, but I actually have them chill and strain it, and charge me for the rocks pour (7.75) instead of charging me for a double shot (11.50). It was their idea because I spend so much fucking money there. I'm an alcoholic so I don't drink anything with mixers or any beer so I don't get fat on top of being useless.

Anyway, I sip instead of shooting. Gold tequila is tasty. I buy 1800 at home but I'm not paying for that shit at a north side bar.

[Anonymous No.11143467]

>>11139987
Rum was the first thing I got drunk from

t. Aussie

[Anonymous No.11144202]

>>11140161

Pirate movies basically mean Pirates of the Caribbean, which don't portray it too too much because the early ones are, for the most part, kids movies. Those who see the rum in the movies will think Captain Morgan, and I'd wager the number of people who get into rum because Jack Sparrow made them drink Captain Morgan is pretty minuscule.

[Anonymous No.11144205]

>>11143132
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11144208]

>>11137299
Flyovers believe that if they don't drink exclusively whisky and MUH CRAFT BEER that they will turn gay/crazy/homicidal/old (depending on the drink in question)

[Anonymous No.11144219]

>>11144208

faggots don't know what they're drinking and how not that different they are.
Sure, they taste different, but drink is drink and none of them do anything particularly different to you unless you in particular have some ort of sensitivity.

It's all just stigma, really. People oughta just drink what they like.

[Anonymous No.11144438]

I occasionally drink rum when I don't feel like whiskey.

Been sipping on this lately.

[Anonymous No.11146089]

>>11143132
Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xN64v9O-S0

[Anonymous No.11146193]

>>11146089
reviewing vodkas in a british accent does not change the fact that it's all just ethanol in purified water. the only flavor differences are
A) minerals in the water
B) impurities in the alcohol

thus so long as you aren't drinking hobo vodka from a plastic jug, it's basically all the same with VERY minor differences. it's literally the same as comparing different brands of bottled water, except with even bigger price differences.

[Anonymous No.11146307]

>>11140013
As much as I agree more alcohol should be tried neat, very good vodkas are just a pure taste of alcohol. They don't have a lot of personality. Perhaps flavored vodka would be a better fit.

[Anonymous No.11147230]

>>11137299

because there's no actual drinking tequila in the USA

at best you can find mixing tequila and at worst jose cuervo

I'm still amazed what people pay for patron and shit

[Anonymous No.11147537]

Because it all tastes like rubbing alcohol

[Anonymous No.11147543]

>>11137299
tequila and vodka taste awful. Even the russians just throw vodka down the throat asap.

Rum is god tier tastes nice and fires up the blood in the best way possible but again, I don't really feel the need to savor it.

[Anonymous No.11147589]

>>11137769
texture, kid. slipperiness.

[Anonymous No.11147715]

>>11147230
good tequila is everywhere, it's just really expensive, and the market in bars is dominated by a few brands that are mostly either shit or overpriced

patron isn't bad but it's about 2x as expensive as an equivalent less hype brand. they rode the early 2000s rap bandwagon and got huge

[Anonymous No.11147741]

>>11137299
Most rum, tequila, vodka, etc. are probably cheap shit from the grocer and not worth drinking on its own. You don't buy Svedka to drink to appreciate the taste, you buy it to spice up another drink so you get blasted. High end stuff I get, but high end alcohol is a terrible purchase for the average person. Like if you're in the upper class, fine, but not your average middle class lower class person.

[Anonymous No.11148142]

>>11137660
I drink plenty of beer and wine, but liquor always tastes overwhelmingly of alcohol and makes me gag a bit. How do I get past the gag so I can actually start to appreciate it?

[Anonymous No.11148412]

>>11137299
I buy cheap handles of Kirkland rum so I mix it to get rid of the cheap taste.
I love Tequila though, it's the easiest alcohol for me to drink. I start gagging after a few drinks of whiskey/bourbon but I can drink Tequila neat easily.

[Anonymous No.11148458]

>>11137329
Based

[Anonymous No.11149588]

>>11148142
Honestly just drink it more often. I felt the same way about beer when I started.

[Anonymous No.11149596]

>>11137329
This. I drink lots of drinks on the rocks provided that they're good enough. I think most of this board's drinking culture knowledge is from movies or college.

[Anonymous No.11149616]

>>11137299
I knew a guy who would just drink tequila and soda water. He was a good guy but kind of a weird and fucked guy as well.

[Anonymous No.11149622]

>>11137299
People drink expensive tequila on its own all the time.

[Anonymous No.11149653]

>>11148142
Make sure to go for spirits in the <= 40% range and just force yourself to sip it and swish it in your mouth a bit. Every spirit will have something worth savoring in the 40% range, besides maybe scotch. For Tequila I would really recommend Espolon.

[Anonymous No.11149667]

>>11137299
>appreciate its flavor
>wodka
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