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[Anonymous No.11137101]

Why *shouldn't* I go vegetarian, /ck/? Provide ethical/health reasons

[Anonymous No.11137132]

>>11137101
is unethical to not eat meat, it's disrespectful to GOD. he put those animals there for YOU and you turn up your nose at them. Who are YOU to refuse GOD'S GIFT

[Anonymous No.11137136]

>>11137101
Ethical? No reason really. Though I would suggest you avoid factory farmed meat.

Health? Avoiding organ meats is really shooting yourself in the foot nutrition-wise. Liver is god tier nutritious, and even meat in general has better bioavailability for certain nutrients compared to plants. Just don't overdo it. Healthiest diet is mostly plants and small amounts of animal products, especially organ meats.

[Frost No.11137141]

Weak b8 faggot, there are no valid ethical considerations -- ever.

Have some sage for your faggot thread.

[Anonymous No.11137144]

>>11137101
You can't get over 15 nutrients from plants
Goodbye vitamin a, d3, b12, and k2.
Goodbye cholesterol and saturated animal fat (along with your test and fertility)
Goodbye complete amino acids taurine, creatine, carnitine, CLA, CoQ10

[Anonymous No.11137148]

>>11137101
As long as you do a little basic research on nutrition, and don't get all militant and try to push it on everyone around you, there's nothing wrong with going vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.11137151]

>>11137101
no

[Anonymous No.11137154]

>>11137144
You can have milk and animal fat as a vegetarian you absolute brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11137186]

meat tastes really good, it has nuanced and delicious flavors that no amount of vegetarian cooking can provide

i bought some lamb chops from a local butcher while visiting some country relatives, didn't even need seasoning, just seared on the grill for a few minutes. outstanding. any diet that would prevent you from eating those chops is the faggotest, gayest shit on god's earth

[Anonymous No.11137206]

>>11137144
Vegetarian not vegan, retard

>Vitamin A
Beta carotene

>D3
Like Vitamin D in general your most efficient source is UV rays from sunlight as food sources are naturally not nearly as efficient and need to be fortified as such. Lichen is also a direct D3 source that is plant based

>B12
Similar to above, except no UV rays or sunlight, a bacteria increasingly needing to be supplemented in livestock as its levels are not efficient enough, unwashed produce and water can give B12 but we traded that off for no ringworms a while ago, you can also extract B12 from your own fecal matter.

>K2
Converted via K1

>cholesterol
Regulated by your liver, dietary cholesterol is unhealthy (yes soccer mom, its still true) and dietary cholesterol is completely unnecessary, you can literally raise cholesterol with caloric surplus and high fat in a plant based diet from saturated fat heavy things like coconut oil

>saturated animal fat
Yes, goodbye clogged arteries!

>complete amino acids
Pic related, shithead.

>muh fearmongering pseudoscience about creatine etc. from chris kresser pop science blogs
Literally would have to starve yourself

Try harder,

[Anonymous No.11137214]

It's basic choice between directly or indirectly killing an animal. If you go full vegan. Eat advocado's and shit, you'd be surprised how much water it costs. 1000 liters for 3 advocado's. Usually grown where water is hard to come by as it is, many wild animals dead of the drought.

You're just picking between 2 evils at that point.

The real issue is all of those sub-human (sand)-niggers that keep out pooping babies, that keep consuming our resources.Think about that.

[Anonymous No.11137235]

>>11137101
No, obviously not. You're free to eat vagetarian options without actually being a smug, sanctimonious twat.

Vegetarianism is a lifestyle, not just a diet.

[Anonymous No.11137242]

>>11137214
>California is a desert
>grows avocados, almonds and broccoli
>probably the three most water-intensive crops on earth

shocking

[Anonymous No.11137275]

>>11137144
cite yer sources brainlet

[Anonymous No.11137306]

>>11137242
Guessing you forgot the part where they have livestock?

[Anonymous No.11137314]

>>11137242
>>11137306

[Anonymous No.11137318]

>>11137242
>>11137306
>>11137314

[Anonymous No.11137325]

>>11137206
Humans can't turn carotenoids into Vitamin A lol.
Atherosclerosis is caused by plant oils not animal fat
Relying on your liver for cholesterol will shrink your brain and draw nutrients from your bone marrow

B12 is not supplemented in free ranged pastured animals
>He thinks every protein will be at least 17% nitrogen
>He thinks he can digest plant matter
LOL

[Anonymous No.11137333]

>>11137306
>>11137314
>>11137318
I mean, none of these mention avocados or broccoli

[Anonymous No.11137336]

>>11137154
>Drinking pastuerized milk with "vitamin d" extracted from kerosene
drink raw milk, has vitamin d naturally and the proteins and fat arent denatured. And still has beneficial enzymes and microbes

[Anonymous No.11137344]

>>11137306
>Feeding cows crap instead of grass

[Anonymous No.11137347]

>>11137214
It's about minimizing harm. Also the these droughts aren't caused by farming. Raising livestock contributes to that tenfold anyway

[Anonymous No.11137355]

>>11137336
>"vitamin d" extracted from kerosene
>oh no spooky sciencey words like extracted and kerosene!

[Anonymous No.11137358]

>>11137214
This is very stupid. Animals require more water per calorie than plants.

[Anonymous No.11137360]

>>11137347
>Kills a million times more animals via pesticides and tilling.
Not to mention youre desertifying the earth.
The answer is pastured animals instead of feeding them cornsoy crap

[Anonymous No.11137366]

>>11137347
>It's about minimizing harm
so, it's not really about anything other than making you feel better "doing all i can to still be comfortable"

[Anonymous No.11137370]

>>11137355
>Mmm yummy synthetic chemicals
>Meat bad!

[Anonymous No.11137393]

>>11137101
You're already a big enough faggot as it is.

[Anonymous No.11137409]

>>11137325
>beta carotene doesn’t convert to Vitamin A
Lmao

>Atherosclerosis
Is cause by plant oils and animal fats, primarily the latter :)

>Relying on your liver for cholesterol will shrink your brain
You know this from personal experience i presume?

>muh free wange
Unregulated marketing buzzword, enjoy your deficiencies because you think theres more B12 in a cow that runs an extra 10 feet

>muh bwotein myths
>muh carnivore shilling
Good troll bro

>>11137336
Actually are you just a Weston Price kike? Makes a lot more sense

[Anonymous No.11137414]

>>11137360
>>Kills a million times more animals via pesticides and tilling.
Wrong. This happens when making livestock feed to an even greater extent. Even if that wasn't the case, people who eat meat still eat plant matter.

>The answer is pastured animals instead of feeding them cornsoy crap
Irrelevant as that's not what the bulk of current meat production is.

>>11137366
Ok retard. The only way to prevent any harm is to kill yourself (which you personally should, by the way)

>>11137370
>a synthetic chemical is somehow worse than naturally occurring chemicals
science scary!

[Anonymous No.11137424]

>>11137344
All cows you eat will end up eating “crap” and still require boatloads of water and sent a bunch of crap into the atmosphere

[Anonymous No.11137449]

Conclusion: Veganas and vegetarianuses are a bunch of nutritional brainlets.

[Anonymous No.11137462]

>>11137449
Ooooh someone got BTFO :)

[Anonymous No.11137469]

>>11137449
>entire thread is retarded anti-vegetarian arguments getting BTFO and science illiteracy

I'm having pork tenderloin for dinner tonight btw

[Anonymous No.11137472]

>>11137347
Farming is a little part of that too. But like i said before. The real problem is that poor countries and poor people overall keep fucking and fucking and fucking like fucking parasites. They are not humans, they are a virus. If we could get rid of 3 billion of 'em, it would be a gift from god himself; for both us and the environment.

[Anonymous No.11137482]

>>11137414
Taking a synthetic chemical for surivival makes you a drug addict by definition.
>>11137424
Not local farms
>>11137449
Well said

Seriously just fucking buy meat from a local farm or raise your own goats for meat and dairy. Hunt and fish. Weed plants from your diet. They're for slaves.

[Anonymous No.11137486]

>>11137482

[Anonymous No.11137492]

>>11137409
No proof its caused by animal fat.
Prove humans can turn carotenes into vitamin a. You can't.

[Anonymous No.11137498]

>>11137486
>Gets BTFO
>Posts forced meme Redditjak

[Anonymous No.11137510]

>>11137498

[Anonymous No.11137512]

>>11137424
>He fell for the carbon meme
Yes goy lets carbon tax farmers so only the rich elites can afford meat and the slaves survive off starvation diets of plant matter. Yknow...just like every time in history

[Anonymous No.11137519]

>>11137242
>>California is a desert

California is not a desert. It damn near runs all they way to the top and bottom of the country. California is meditterannean/semi-arid

[Anonymous No.11137520]

>>11137482
>Taking a synthetic chemical for surivival makes you a drug addict by definition.
>cows raised on local farms somehow don't consume water or food that requires water to grow

[Anonymous No.11137528]

>>11137520
>Grass requires excessive watering

[Anonymous No.11137530]

>>11137482
>not local farms
Do cows from local farms have magical shits that have relatively little methane?

>>11137492
>no proof
Lol

>prove humans can turn caretenoids
They can turn 3 caretenoids specifically, beta carotene is the best. This is literally nutritional science 101
https://econtent.hogrefe.com/doi/pdf/10.1024/0300-9831.72.1.40?download=true

Up your troll game like saying its conversion rate is mediocre

[Anonymous No.11137533]

>>11137492
>By far the most important provitamin A carotenoid is beta-carotene; other provitamin A carotenoids are alpha-carotene and beta-cryptoxanthin. The body converts these plant pigments into vitamin A.

[Anonymous No.11137539]

>>11137528
>hundreds of acres of land don't require resources to maintain

[Anonymous No.11137545]

>>11137512
>kike wants to destroy the earth so he can fulfill his elektra complex desires to slurp on some meat
Shocker

[Anonymous No.11137547]

>>11137528
If you want to continuously feed it to cows yes

[Anonymous No.11137776]

>>11137498
>REBBIT REBIIT HAHA le 4chan sekrit club XD

[Anonymous No.11138968]

i am a vegetarian because meat gives me disgusting diarrhea and i am telling you, unless you have to, don't do it. don't. fucking. do it.

[Anonymous No.11138975]

>>11137533
Only it doesnt..look into it
>>11137776
Veygans confirmed r*ddit tourists
>>11137547
Humans are naturally nomadic

[Anonymous No.11138979]

I did the vegetarian meme long enough to where I now find meat revolting. Now I'm just the weirdo who has to have alternative food options and I don't even care about animal rights. I just can't stand the smell or taste of meat anymore, but everyone thinks I'm being righteous or showy or defiant. Now I'm "the vegetarian" everywhere I go and I don't fucking care. I'll kill a cow myself, and not eat it. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.11139024]

>>11137101
Generally, pescatarian is objectively superior. Get dem fucking omega-3s.
You're dumb if you do it for ethical "i dun wun hurt animal" reasons.
You're okay if you do it for sustainability reasons.
You're alright with me if you just do it for health reasons.

[Anonymous No.11139031]

>>11137101
read pic related, you might love plants so much that you start eating only meat
one example of the book is some experimentation using a lie detector machine. they attached the diodes or what ever they are called to a large leafed plant and watched the machine when the plant was put through situations.
one was they burned the plant or ripped it i forget, and they got a reaction. but if they only thought about hurting the plant, they would get more of a reaction!
it also reacted when a spider was on the other side of the room.
plus why is it that Ivy know which direction the nearest spot to unleash it's tendrils?
also my digestive system is right for digesting beefs so it must be

[Anonymous No.11139036]

>>11137101
At the end of the day, you're probably trolling, but I'll weigh in.

Every single diet has its drawbacks, and vegetarianism and veganism are no exceptions.

Meat rich diets tend towards pulmonary issues, like blood clots and cardiac problems.

Low-meat or no-meat tend higher to stress-related issues and a higher rate of diabetes.

Pick your poison. It's living that kills you.

[Anonymous No.11139869]

>>11137206
You can go through hoops to get the nutrients you need, or you can just fucking eat meat.

[Anonymous No.11140258]

This thread made me go vegan from the sheer destruction of one stupid brainlet.

[Anonymous No.11140408]

>>11137101
There is absolutely zero reason to be a vegetarian for ethical reasons. If you are a proper vegan for ethical reasons then so be it but if you avoid meat but are happy to consume milk and eggs then you are retarded

[Anonymous No.11140433]

>>11137333
shhh
don't let them know

[Anonymous No.11140508]

>>11139036
>Meat rich diets tend towards pulmonary issues, like blood clots and cardiac problems.
False
>>11140258
Have fun being infertile and malnourished faggot
>>11140408
Veganism is the least sustainable diet

[Anonymous No.11140517]

>>11137101
Higher risk of malnourishment. Humans are omnivores anyways.

If you ARE concerned about ethics though, just try to buy meat sourced locally if it's possible - but it'll most likely be a bit more expensive.

[Anonymous No.11140525]

>>11137539
They dont. Nature doesnt need artificial watering. Learn to permaculture
https://philmaffetone.com/vitamin-a-and-the-beta-carotene-myth/
Brainlet.
>>11137545
Growing crops and importing/exporting for winter is highly unsustainable. Look into how much oil freight ships and planes use IN ONE TRIP

[Anonymous No.11140548]

Antinutrients, i.e., phytic acid and oxalate acid bind to minerals in your meal and take it out of your body.

Oxalates: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12810415

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15035687

Saturated fats 'clogging' arteries:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2123482/?page=1

Flaxseeds cannot give you omega 3s:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18689552

[Anonymous No.11140566]

>>11137101
Because vegetarians tend to be cunts, feel free to eat less meat though. But if you have the choice between imported off season vegetables farmed with unsustainable practices or locally sourced sustainable meat I'd suggest buying the meat instead.