Appartment aquaculture

[Anonymous No.11091160]

I grow my own potatoes indoor, can I do the same with shrimp to get proteins ?

[Anonymous No.11091172]

sure. Just feed them cum

[Anonymous No.11091175]

>>>/an/
Just stick a hen in a cage in your window and eat eggs

[Anonymous No.11091237]

>>11091160
That game was a wild fucking ride

[Anonymous No.11091254]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im9lDTRTAOk
I give up, this is taking too long
>>11091175
I will do just that or raise rabbits

[Anonymous No.11091278]

Get Quail you can put 3 birds per sq foot.

[Anonymous No.11091290]

>>11091160
At some sushi places they have a tank somewhere near the bar which holds live shrimp. If someone orders shrimp tempura or shrimp sushi then they just take one out and kill it then serve. I don't see why you couldn't do the same, but I have no idea what shrimp to buy. Just ask the sushi chef if they have one of those tanks.

[Anonymous No.11091296]

>>11091290
Why do you think only restaurants do it? It takes a lot of effort to keep these creatures alive and healthy. You don't just throw them in a bit of water and leave them.

[Anonymous No.11091310]

>>11091160
It wouldn't be worthwhile.
Petstore-tier water chemicals and treatments are almost all carcinogenic, so you wouldn't be able to eat the skrimps with hobbyist -grade materials.
Plus you'd need to raise your own plankton to feed them. Its just not feasible cost/benefit wise.
>I kept aquariums for nearly 20 years but finally stopped last year.
>Still trying to get rid of the tanks before I move.

[Anonymous No.11091344]

>>11091310
>water chemicals and treatments
you can't go without ?

And what about raising goldfish on the shrimp larvae ?

[Anonymous No.11091371]

>>11091344
Water parameters are important for aquaculture.
If your tapwater is already suitable, you'd be lucky
Essentially, you need to keep certain chemicals within safe limits, and dump&replace water to keep it cleanly.
I mean, it certainly can be done, but its not likely that you're in the goldilocks zone right from the get-go.
>GH, KH, pH, temp, nitrate/nitrite, etc are all things to consider.
Shrimp can eat a wide variety of shit once they're of a certain size, but small ones would require specialized food I believe.
>Never raised shrimp myself, but I know the general ins and outs.

[Anonymous No.11091374]

>>11091290
that's just a holding tank for their live shipment. The sushi place is not micro-farming shrimp.

[Anonymous No.11091378]

>>11091371
Also, most aquarium trade is Puppy Mill tier density. The result is that OFTEN you will get new organisms with pathogens and parasites, which require medication to alleviate.
The common practice is to segregate new organisms for a quarantine period to see if symptoms appear, before adding to your general population. Even then, you still are running the risk of things that aren't readily visible necessarily.

[Anonymous No.11091381]

>>11091371
I get that water quality is important, but why the hangup on "pet store stuff"? If the pet store chemicals and equipment are unsuitable then why not buy the correct materials from elsewhere?

[Anonymous No.11091397]

>>11091381
Well because it would be more expensive by definition to use food-safe or veterinary grade treatments. Pet store shit is cheaper because it doesn't meet those standards.
I obvously haven't crunched the numbers or anything, but deductive reasoning tells me it wouldn't be cost effective when common marine shrimp are only about $10/lb at 20/30 at the local grocery store.

[Anonymous No.11091402]

>>11091397
I suppose freshwater prawns are more like $20/lb, but I still don't think it would be cost effective.
Now if you're raising some garbage fish like tilapia, that could be effective, but who wants to eat tilapia?

[Anonymous No.11091413]

>>11091402
The whole thing comes down to scale. What you could accomplish in an apartment wouldn't be worth it.
You don't see small aquaculture operations in general. It's usually a pretty big operation.

[Anonymous No.11091422]

>>11091397
>Well because it would be more expensive by definition to use food-safe or veterinary grade treatments.

I doubt that is necissarily true. The markup on pet store products is insanely high, and it's not difficult or expensive to get food grade chemicals and supplies these days.

Can you name an example of a product for which "pet store grade" isn't good enough so we can look up numbers and compare? I think your deductive reasoning is flawed.

[Anonymous No.11091451]

>>11091422
malachite green.

[Anonymous No.11091459]

>>11091422
Pet store-tier stuff just has to "Not kill fish"
Doesn't need to be safe for human consumption.

[Anonymous No.11091467]

>>11091278
cute!

[Anonymous No.11091506]

>>11091160
I see a lot of nay sayers, but I don't agree. You're just setting up a seawater aquarium which people do all the time. Sure it's more complicated than freshwater, but not that bad. As far as keeping it clean, a good filtration system should do the trick with sn occasional overhaul. The difficulty and probably a big expense would be sourcing the baby shrimp. Look into it, crunch the numbers and see if it's worth it to you.

[Anonymous No.11091515]

>>11091422
You still looking into this? >>11091451

[Anonymous No.11091522]

>>11091278
That is the most pigeon-ish quail i have ever seen

[Anonymous No.11091527]

>>11091515
I didn't see your post until now, I'm about to check.

That said, I know malachite green is easily available in high purity lab grade from places like Sigma Aldrich; it's a pretty common reagent so I can't imagine it being prohibitively expensive. Will do some more checking shortly.

[Anonymous No.11091534]

>>11091527
Well yeah, thats my point. Very cheap, but you shouldn't eat seafood treated with it. That generally applies to hobby-ist tier treatments.

[Anonymous No.11091536]

>>11091459
Yes, anon. I understand that pet store may not be good enough.

My point is that pet stores aren't the only option. What's stopping someone from buying from Ag suppliers, farm/feed stores, lab supply, etc? This thread acts like pet store is the only option. That's absurd: we have the internet and mail-order, one can get anything from anywhere delivered straight to your door. It's silly to rely on pet stores as one's only source.

[Anonymous No.11091538]

>>11091160
Yes. What you're looking for is a tech called a nano tank. It's a confined simulation of an underwater ecosystem. Skip to about 1 minute. You can continually churn out shrimp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpi4CcHQHTg

[Anonymous No.11091555]

>>11091536
I was referring to pet store-tier as a class of compounds, not where I buy them. That's why I said -tier.
You can get malachite green wherever. It's still what I would refer to as "pet store/hobbyist -tier"
You're misinterpreting what I was saying.

[Anonymous No.11091558]

>>11091534
>That generally applies to hobby-ist tier treatments.
What is restricting us to hobbyist-tier treatments?
If they aren't adequate (for whatever reason) why not source better alternatives elsewhere? Pet stores are notoriously overpriced as it is. The only thing cheap at a pet store is the low end brands of food. Most things at a pet store are marked up horrifically, it would be the last place someone would want to shop even if the products were food grade.

Remember that aquaculture is a thing. Some farmers raise cattle, others raise shrimp. There's no reason anon couldn't buy supplies from those same places. There is an industry who caters to the needs of aquaculture.

[Anonymous No.11091571]

>>11091555
>You're misinterpreting what I was saying.
That's because you're being unclear.

So your gripe is not that malachite green sold at pet stores is contaminated, rather its that people shouldn't be using it at all and should be using something else instead? That's fine. Name that "something else" we should use instead so we can compare prices.

[Anonymous No.11091597]

>>11091558
The people that farm shrimp, do so on a very large scale. He's talking apartment here.

>>11091571
I've made the same point several times now. I'm kind of losing interest in providing the answers.
>Just think logically...
[doesn't kill fish, does kill ____(undesireable, unsafe for humans] will cost less than:
[doesn't kill fish, does kill ____(undesireable), safe for humans]
Just plain market dynamics will dictate that this statement is true, no matter where you are.

If you don't buy into that statement at this point, we really don't have anything further to discuss I'm afraid.

[Anonymous No.11091620]

>>11091597
Dude, the scale doesn't mean you can't use farm chemicals.

[Anonymous No.11091626]

>>11091620
You can, but buying in bulk is cheaper, isn't it?
If small-scale aquaculture was feasible, it would be widespread wouldn't it? Because we all want to make a little extra money, and all have the same options available to the average-income person in Murica.
But it isn't widespread. Therefore small-scale aquaculture isn't feasible.
>Why are most people incapable of deductive reasoning?

[Anonymous No.11091634]

>>11091626
It may not be economically viable, but there's still a joy in the challenge of the project.

[Anonymous No.11091637]

>>11091626
I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying it makes more economic bang-for-your-buck sense to just buy some that was farmed by a large scale operation.
Do whatever you want with your money, I'm just saying its inefficient in the long run.

[Anonymous No.11091639]

>>11091597
>The people that farm shrimp, do so on a very large scale. He's talking apartment here.
So? You can still buy the same things. They sell everything by the pound. You can go to an ag store and buy 5000 lbs or 1/4 lb or anything in between.

>>>Just think logically...
Logic dictates the opposite of your conclusion. So does my experience managing a lab aquarium at a major university, and my experience with ag stores.

Can you name a single product that you need which you claim is prohibitively expensive so we can look up prices and check? Because it sounds to me you're just building a strawman from flawed assumptions.

[Anonymous No.11091644]

>>11091634
I don't deny that. If its just for fun, have at it. You can learn some marketable skills in the process.

[Anonymous No.11091652]

>>11091626
>You can, but buying in bulk is cheaper,
Sure. But that doesn't mean that it is prohibitively expensive without buying in bulk.

Fuck, dry beans are a lot cheaper by the ton than they are by the pound at your local supermarket, but even by the pound they're still cheap.

>>If small-scale aquaculture was feasible, it would be widespread wouldn't it?
Nope. You underestimate human laziness.

>>Why are most people incapable of deductive reasoning?
Your brand of deductive reasoning is highly flawed.

[Anonymous No.11091655]

>>11091278
That's too cramped for birbs! Please don't do this!

[Anonymous No.11091660]

>>11091639
.......
I'm tired of beating a dead horse. You claim expert knowledge, but in the same breath need me to spoon feed you the information. If what you said was true, you'd take the initiative and inform yourself instead of asking strangers on the internet.

If you haven't come to rational conclusions by now then I think we're done because this is going to go nowhere in a hurry.

[Anonymous No.11091670]

>>11091660
I claim expert knowledge is a very close, but not exact, field. For all I know there might be some special shrip-only medication that fits your strawman. But given that you can't name a single example despite being asked multiple times suggests you're talking out your ass.

[Anonymous No.11091684]

>>11091160
See: >>>/out/1343500

[Anonymous No.11091687]

>>11091670
Well, I did name an example. You're just not intellectually capable of filling in the blanks it seems.
>Remember when I said malachite green?
>Yeah, that was a definitive example.
>But you still don't understand for some reason.
>Brainlet.jpg

[Anonymous No.11091729]

>>11091687
You mentioned it, then you said your problem wasn't with the purity but rather the idea of using it at all.

What do you want me to buy that you think is so costly? What is this mysterious replacement for malachite green which you think is too costly to be cost-effective? Name this strawman of yours.

[Anonymous No.11091746]

>>11091729
there isnt one you dumb cunt
foolio has no idea what hes talking about once you showed up he knew he was fucked so hes just being vage to troll

[Anonymous No.11091757]

>>11091729
>You sure love buzzwords don't you?
This was my litmus test for you. A measurement of your intelligence. Either you can fill in the intentional blank of what is the alternative, or you can't.
>You can't.
At this point, I evaluate whether I want to bother trying to provide information to someone of your intellectual level, because its going to be a lot of extra legwork on my behalf.
>I'm kind of bored, so I decided to walk down this road a little ways, but not to the end of it because I reject that in principle.
>Don't help those who won't help themselves.
Do you get me now, my dude?

A 30 second google session should provide you the answers you so desperately seek.
(But then again, it isn't about getting the answer to you, its about winning a dick measuring contest with a stranger on the internet.)

So what's my motivation to continue? Give me a reason to spoon feed you.

[Anonymous No.11091773]

>>11091757
I'm in a generous mood, so I'll make that intentional hole a little bit smaller without force-feeding you the answer.
>Malachite green has a broad spectrum of usage. Logically, specialized human-safe alternatives, won't be as broad-spectrum in their applications, therefore you will need several alternatives to achieve the same spectrum of activity. More products means more cost vs cheap malachite green.
>Want some more logical proof?
>Malachite green usage is pretty much a China thing.
>Its banned in EU, Canada, USA for usage in treating foodstock aquaculture.
I'm gonna beat this horse until its zombified it seems.

[Anonymous No.11091778]

>>11091757
>, because its going to be a lot of extra legwork on my behalf.

Nah, typing the name of a chemical which would prove you correct takes a fraction of the effort of the diatribe you just posted.

You're full of shit and you know it. Otherwise you'd have taken the two seconds to prove yourself right to every person here, and simultaneously make me eat my words.

You're at the end of your rope, troll.

[Anonymous No.11091785]

>>11091778
This place used to have a very strict policy of Do Not Spoon-feed Shitters.
I still abide by that culture, even if this site is flooded with zoomers now.

[Anonymous No.11091790]

>>11091773
so you're saying the reason why anon couldn't farm shrimp at home is because the chinese happen to use use an antibiotic which is banned elsewhere? lolwhut?

who's to say that anon even needs an antibiotic? or that the one he might use instead cost too much?

[Anonymous No.11091794]

>>11091778
>You're still missing the point.
I don't care about "proving I'm correct" because I know I am. The fact that I posted a diatribe instead of giving you your chicken tendies further reinforces the fact that I know, and am under no obligation to enlighten you.
Give me a reason to bother. I like the debate, but the quality is decreasing with every exchange.

[Anonymous No.11091805]

>>11091785
>>fuck he called me out
>>wait i know! ill say that I cant answer because muh board culture

shiggy wiggy

[Anonymous No.11091817]

>>11091790
>Its not an antibiotic. Its an antimicrobial.
>This is why I didn't bother spoon-feeding, because you wouldn't fucking understand anyhow, and you never even spent the 30 seconds to google it yourself.

You have made my point.

[Anonymous No.11091824]

>>11091794
>I don't care about "proving I'm correct" because I know I am.

Sure you are, broski. It's abundantly clear you got called out and can't back up your claims with facts.

Deductive reasoning tells me you're full of shit. If you weren't you'd have proved me wrong many posts ago.

[Anonymous No.11091837]

>>11091824
>Proving a negative.
>Brainlet here folks.
t. (You)

[Anonymous No.11091840]

>>11091817
>>Its not an antibiotic. Its an antimicrobial.

is this maximum A U T I S M?
or the flailings of a failed troll
whatever the case its soy for sure

[Anonymous No.11091846]

You've rather foolishly maneuvered the goalposts such that if I tell you the answer, then you win the contest, haven't you?
If you truly wanted to know, you would not have done this.
Further proof that its just about dick-wagging, not about the answer.
>Life must be hard to be sub-average intelligence.

[Anonymous No.11091853]

>>11091840
You don't understand the difference do you?
So why would you understand anything else I have said up until now....
This has been a waste of my time.
Thanks friend. I leave here, knowing it was futile to educate the ignorant.

[Anonymous No.11091863]

>>11091846
>that if I tell you the answer, then you win the contest, haven't you?

Not at all. We're asking whether or not its cost effective to replace malachite green. Therefore if the replacement is indeed prohibitively costly--whicih you claim it is--then you were right all along. However, if human-safe replacements are cost effective then your claims woud be wrong and I would be correct.

It's entirely about the answer. Dick wagging is not only incomprehenisible on an anon board, but worse: it doesn't help OP know what to buy to treat his shrimp.

[Anonymous No.11091878]

>>11091853
>>he thinks the difference actually matters
>>he thinks that being hyperpedantic is a great opportuity to distract from the main point

damn the fail just keeps comin doesnt it
the butthurt is palpable and the ad homenems are out

[Anonymous No.11091893]

I kept tilapia in my room for a while. You can reduce the threat of carcinogens by just letting the water stand to evaporate the chlorine instead of treating it with chemicals (at least in my backwater trash city where we receive weekly boil warnings and amoeba deaths are not unheard of, I’ll probably end up with cancer just from brushing my teeth three times a day), and tilapia, especially the farmed stock, are really fucking hardy. They’re cheap to feed, too. Invest in a 70-gallon tank and a pond filter and eat.

[Anonymous No.11091918]

>>11091893
When I was in high school we had a tilapia breeding program to produce fish for the culinary arts class. We has a 450 gallon main tank, a few 5 gallon aquariums for nurseries, and they were all plumbed together with some old darkroom sinks that were used as plant growing beds with grow-lights above them.

[Anonymous No.11093187]

>>11091538
is he feeding his fish baby shrimps ?

[Anonymous No.11093933]

>>11091160
how did you grow your own taters indoors

[Anonymous No.11093947]

>>11091381
>why not buy the correct materials from elsewhere?
they aren't for sale because nobody needs them because aquaculture for human consumption inside an apartment is insane

[Anonymous No.11093951]

>>11091254
Rabbits don't lay eggs, fuckhead. You've paid too much attention to Easter cartoons.

[Anonymous No.11094035]

>>11093951
>He's never had a rabbit egg

[Anonymous No.11094101]

>>11091878
>>11091863
>>11091853
based irrationally angry over the logistics of home-faming shrimp posters