/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11081581]

Vegan here. I love carrots and recognise how environmentally damaging eating vegetables is, but I’m a little intimidated (and picky). Does anyone have any tips for reducing my vegetable consumption in a meaningful yet easy way? I want to make sustainable change in my life and diet!

[Anonymous No.11081598]

>>11081581
My advice for you would be to eat a bullet.

[Anonymous No.11081615]

>>11081598
Others' altruism makes for some hurtful cognitive dissonance I guess. Sorry you feel so bad about yourself anon.

[Anonymous No.11081616]

>>11081598
This, if you're that worried about making a footprint in the environment, just leave this planet.

Or keep eating veggies and go plant a fucking tree you hippy.

[Anonymous No.11081656]

>>11081581

[Anonymous No.11081673]

>>11081656
I think 1 year is a bit quick for total extinction

[Anonymous No.11081677]

>>11081656
>>11081673
That and it's not like they would actually ever go extinct, endangered maybe, but not extinct unless something major happens
Those are animals that can easily survive in the wild, even domesticated

[Anonymous No.11081678]

>>11081581
we should try to conserve on resources where we can, but also focus on developing technology to make producing these foods less resource-intensive too. you don't have to go full vegan to reduce your intake of animal foods to only what you really need (inb4 you don't need them!!!, if you want optimal health you need some in your diet)

[Anonymous No.11081682]

>>11081581
Hydroponic vegetables
Local/Farmer's market vegetables

[Anonymous No.11081683]

>>11081678
>if you want optimal health you need some in your diet

[Anonymous No.11081685]

>>11081677
>Those are animals that can easily survive in the wild, even domesticated
Animals in the wild usually don't live great lives, that's not really a good solution, just tossing them out to fend for themselves

[Anonymous No.11081688]

>>11081678
Mmmm, cholesterol building up in my arteries

[Anonymous No.11081690]

>>11081683
>all the studies showing that omnivorous athletes perform better than vegans are wrong because i said so
>studies showing that saturated fats can benefit heart health and that refined carbs are most likely the biggest culprit for heart disease are wrong because i feel like it is
ok

[Anonymous No.11081692]

Any strats for buying foods like lentils, chick peas or other basic v*gan stuff? I quite like the taste but I don't want people to think I'm one of those "people". Usually I buy a lot of meat with that stuff and it does the trick but it's kind of expensive.

[Anonymous No.11081693]

>>11081677
I doubt it, wolves would over predator numbers would skyrocket, then they'd starve.

You're just creating a very hostile and hellish life for many animals.

Most animals don't lead happy lives in the wild in all honesty. It's filled with sickness/injuries that goes untreated, and ultimately being eaten by something.

[Anonymous No.11081694]

>>11081682
How do I start my own hydroponic farm for 0 environmental effect?

[Anonymous No.11081697]

>>11081688
>still believing propaganda from companies selling "healthy" vegan alternatives and sugar
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26586275
>Dietary guidelines should shift focus away from reducing saturated fat
>To reduce the burden of CHD, guidelines should focus particularly on reducing intake of concentrated sugars

[Anonymous No.11081703]

>>11081685
As opposed to, for example how cows are normally treated, stuffed in pens the same size as their bodies, fed unnatural grain diets that ferment in their guts, and slaughtered only one fifth into their naturally life span.

Alternatively, kept in pens the same size of their beds, constantly artificillay inseminated so they are capable of producing milk. Their udders become infected and leak pus and blood.

Upon giving birth the baby faces the same fate or is slaughtered early for veal.

[Anonymous No.11081706]

>>11081690
>studies that show omnivores are obese fatasses and even omnivorous long distance runners are even less heart healthy than couch potato vegans are wrong because dr mercola said so
>white bread is unhealthy therefore butter is a statin because jordan peterson and chris kresser read a study where poverty was the most important mortality factor
ok

[Anonymous No.11081717]

>>11081703
We should focus on treating them better instead of just giving up and kicking them out though

[Anonymous No.11081725]

>>11081703
It's that or limp on a broken leg for weeks to ultimately be picked out from the herd for being weak or old, then half eaten alive while the herd leaves you behind.

What a life to lead, oh boy.

[Anonymous No.11081727]

>>11081703
Maybe in third world countries. At my friend's home farm the cows spend most of their time out on the fields.

[Anonymous No.11081729]

>>11081706
>using long distance runners as a marker of health
They're usually underweight and suffer bodily damage because of how excessive their sport is. Just because an omnivore is more likely to be obese doesn't mean being an omnivore is the cause of it. Being on a specific diet means you're more likely to pay attention to what you eat and be healthier than the person who doesn't, but a moderate weight omnivore who exercises will be healthier and more fit than a vegan who does the same.

I don't really follow any of the people you're talking about so nice straw man I guess, I just read scientific studies and you didn't refute anything in the one linked here saying refined carbs are causing heart disease while saturated fat is most likely protecting against it >>11081697

[Anonymous No.11081730]

>>11081581
Why don't people realize that all foodstuffs are "environmentally damaging" insofar as that they both use resources? Animal & plant products require water, space nutritional supplements etc

[Anonymous No.11081734]

>>11081730
because choosing a few less environmentally damaging foods so you can look down on others is easier than coming up with technological solutions to make farming these foods less damaging to the environment

[Anonymous No.11081737]

>>11081730
>because I can't completely stop polluting and will never cut my pollution to zero- polluting at a scale of thousands of times more is just fine

[Anonymous No.11081739]

>>11081581
Sure, you could start by eating the meat items that approximately 90% of your recipes are attempting to reproduce. Since you already know what they taste like, you can lie to yourself that it's just cauliflower or whatever, the same way you lie to yourselves about how veganism is environmentally friendly.

You're now aware that vegan diet for the human population would necessarily have to be supported by non-vegan, environmentally damaging technology since there is not enough viable land to grow all the food necessary to feed every person on Earth, the same way we're already causing a mass extinction simply by existing at our current population. Do some research on what a carrying capacity is and how human beings have artificially side-stepped it at the cost of hundreds of species we're not even eating, many of which are a direct result of land-clearing practices to grow enough plant-food for people.

Fuck off, scum. You're killing the planet faster than any meat eater ever did. You'd know that if you're brain was properly developed with some omega 3's.

[Anonymous No.11081746]

>>11081737
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[Anonymous No.11081755]

>>11081746
yo dawg

[Anonymous No.11081759]

>>11081729
What the fuck are you even talking about? Your post >>11081690 doesn’t mention anything. It’s literally just an uncited strawman

>refute anything linked here
That’s because I didn’t read the post nor was it linked to anything you said here >>11081690
Not everyone has autistic rain man powers that can predict who’s posting what you actual straw manning aspie

I never said refined carbs were healthy or anything about sugar, you’re just a very dumb strawmanning retard. You also evidently can’t read what you linked considering it’s just an abstract with no mechanistic data

Try a *little* harder to sound smarter next time, it might actually work!

[Anonymous No.11081760]

>>11081739
I suggest you read on the subject before raging into your keyboard next time
Must be the arterial plaque, cancer, heart disease, and early dementia caused by your unhealthy cult diet.

[Anonymous No.11081764]

>>11081739
Sure
http://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat

[Anonymous No.11081767]

>>11081692
Well the best way to cook any of that shit is in a good, homemade chicken stock, so just get chicken backs/feet from the butcher counter. They charge me $1.50/lb for the free range organic shit, and I'm in an expensive city. This does require interacting with people though, which might present an issue to you given that you're posting the question I'm the first place

[Anonymous No.11081771]

>>11081685
>>11081693
But at the same time, a lot of animals live better lives wild than in factory farms
The only reason you don't see a lot of sick cattle is because we pump so much medicine in them even though they are catching diseases they wouldn't normally get in the wild

People would also still raise animals for fun
>>>/out/homegrowmen
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5zdi4KM3ewwfYMNo_KnU0A

[Anonymous No.11081775]

>>11081771
Also, wolves increasing their population is a GOOD thing
They are almost nearly endangered and most wolves are actually coyote hybrids anyway

[Anonymous No.11081784]

[Anonymous No.11081805]

>>11081759
Oh okay theres a free pdf to the whole article which makes zero distinction of saturated fats and simply refers to refined carbs which no one is arguing is healthy in this thread. Then he cites the broscience/momscience/popscience myth of LDL particle size that large fluffy LDL is magically better if not atheroprotective. Not a great start, Mark Sisson would be disappointed with your efforts

[Anonymous No.11081836]

>>11081656
I'm vegan and I would fucking love it if cows and chickens went extinct.

[Anonymous No.11081848]

>>11081805
>myth of ldl particle size
Nigga wat
It's pretty well understood how atherosclerosis develops, which involves small cholesterol particles entering the cell walls of your blood vessels.

[Anonymous No.11081860]

>>11081848
Were you born retarded or is it just the amount of bacon you shovel down your fat mouth? Try FINISHING THE SENTENCE

[Anonymous No.11081873]

>>11081784
>reversed the heart in 100% of cases
so vegans have no heart?

[Anonymous No.11081881]

>>11081784
>reversed the heart
That doesn't sound like a desirable outcome.

[Anonymous No.11081914]

>>11081729
In actual metabolic ward studies, saturated fats disrupt endothelial function and increase the risk of heart disease

[Anonymous No.11081938]

>>11081860
>mock the idea that large fluffy cholesterol particles are better than small particles
>someone points out that LDL is at the root of atherosclerosis
>READ THE REST OF MY INCORRECT POST RETARD
Your brain on veganism

[Anonymous No.11081948]

>>11081938
>be a fat fuck so fat his eyes are covered by his own blubber
>see someone fail to finish a sentence on something completely unrelated on LDL
>get chastised
>get another illiterate fat fuck with too much fat in his eyes that strawmans on your behalf and actually makes up a point you didn’t even make

Your brain from your pint glass deep gene pool

Christ almighty god you are stupid

[Anonymous No.11081967]

>>11081581
>>11081581
i wonder if vegans think that that water disappears once it's given to the cows
like i mean it doesn't go anywhere, assholes
single biggest thing that bugs me about shit like that

[Anonymous No.11081973]

>>11081673
it's pretend

[Anonymous No.11081984]

>>11081948
I cannot tell if you are a false flagging shitposter or a genuine 100% turbo faggot.

[Anonymous No.11081999]

So when the cows drink the water it just disappears forever? We need to slay these demon creatures before they destroy our world

[Anonymous No.11082000]

>>11081784
>tfw no vegan gf with increased erection strength

[Anonymous No.11082010]

>>11081984
You’re just a fat fuck retard. That’s really it. You actually tried reconstruing what someone else clearly didn’t post and then claimed i posted something that clearly wasn’t the case. Your sub 20 IQ is just infectious

[Anonymous No.11082027]

>>11081784
Only 1 broccoli? That's clearly not enough broccolis. You need way more broccolis than that.

[Anonymous No.11082035]

>>11081967
You realize reusable water either
1. Takes a long time to naturally renew
or
2. Takes even more resources to artificially renew
Right anon?

[Anonymous No.11082040]

>>11081760
>land use for one kilo
>ignores energy density entirely
try to use real arguments sweetie

[Anonymous No.11082044]

>>11082040
Saturated fats are not healthy

[Anonymous No.11082051]

>>11082044
all i'm saying is that chart is useless bullshit