Vegan Ortolan

[Anonymous No.11059735]

>Vegan Ortolan is an animal-free version of the cruelest dish ever invented.
>Vegan Ortolan is an ongoing cooking contest to make the best vegan simulation of the cruelest meat dish ever invented: the Ortolan. The sheer number of ingredients and skills needed to simulate the bones, organs and flesh of a small bird is enormous. Making this simulation a truly delicious experience is even more difficult.
>This project appears to be a form culinary absurdism, but the process is also a form of cultural exorcism that allows the novel culinary culture of veganism to replace animal cruelty with culinary complexity and abundance. In order to succeed, novel food movements need to be beautiful, delicious and open to experimentation.
http://genomicgastronomy.com/work/2012-2/vegan-ortolan/

How will French cuisine ever recover from this??

[Anonymous No.11059742]

>>11059735

>put tofu on sticks
>put fig beside tofu on sticks

FROGS BTFO 11!!!!1!!!!

[Anonymous No.11059760]

>>11059735
Anthony Bourdain's description of ortolan, for comparison:
>I bring my molars down and through my bird's rib cage with a wet crunch and am rewarded with a scalding hot rush of burning fat and guts down my throat. Rarely have pain and delight combined so well. I'm giddily uncomfortable, breathing in short, controlled gasps as I continue slowly – ever so slowly – to chew. With every bite, as the thin bones and layers of fat, meat, skin, and organs compact in on themselves, there are sublime dribbles of varied and wondrous ancient flavors: figs, Armagnac, dark flesh slightly infused with the salty taste of my own blood as my mouth is pricked by the sharp bones. As I swallow, I draw in the head and beak, which, until now, have been hanging from my lips, and blithely crush the skull.

[Anonymous No.11059764]

>>11059735

Do vegans not know about the 1/3 of the world that has already perfected vegan/vegetarian cuisine? This is why people fly planes into our buildings

[Anonymous No.11059783]

>>11059760
I'm not even vegan but that's fucking disgusting, piece of shit
A rich faggot getting off to killing something rare

[Anonymous No.11059789]

>>11059735
That’s pretty neat

[Anonymous No.11059821]

>>11059783
You're an uncultured loser. For those of us who can't photosynthesize, to live is to destroy. Some are plants and some are animals, but all food was once alive on this earth and killed on your behalf. Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

[Anonymous No.11059846]

>>11059821
not that guy, don't give a shit about what you eat. but that "dude lol eat or be eaten" shit is a garbage nonsense argument, there's a difference between eating to survive and eating to indulge oneself and this dish in particular is nothing but indulgence. at least be honest dude, who gives a shit what you eat? it's typical of humans to do what we want because we feel like it, why are you trying to defend yourself? faggot

[Anonymous No.11059848]

why is this new vegan kid around here so insecure?
we get one of them every once in a while where they show up and start making constant vegan threads

then school starts and they get back to their womens studies

[Anonymous No.11059864]

>>11059848
OP here, I posted this culinary terrorism ironically

[Anonymous No.11059903]

>>11059735
>the cruelest dish ever invented.
Is this not counting Asia or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_NW2A9D-tw

[Anonymous No.11059916]

>>11059903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIFxNsMrFFE

[Anonymous No.11059930]

>>11059916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prwUIBqOvSs

[Anonymous No.11059941]

>>11059735
How are vegans able to replicate a dish they have never tasted? That's cooking 101 to taste what you serve how the fuck do they know the texture of something they have never had in their mouths?

[Anonymous No.11060053]

>>11059821
The food was cutting up his mouth, just eat chicken wings with a light bulb if you want to be such a stupid faggot why waste the effort in being a turbo faggot?

[Anonymous No.11060155]

>>11060053
Pearls before swine

[Anonymous No.11060474]

>>11059735
the fuck

[Anonymous No.11060484]

>>11059735
That's not the cruelest dish ever. In Hong Kong you can have hot oil poured into the brain of a live monkey and scoop it out while it dies.

[Anonymous No.11060517]

>>11059783
It sounds delicious, you paletless faggot.

[Anonymous No.11060524]

>>11060517
>paletless
Why does this word cause /ck/ so much trouble?

[Anonymous No.11060529]

>>11060524
Because you're new.

[Anonymous No.11060530]

>>11060524
>Noun
>palet (plural palets)
>(heraldry) A perpendicular band upon an escutcheon, one half the breadth of the pale.
Shut up you illiterate retard

[Anonymous No.11060538]

>>11060530
>/ck/ Cooking and Heraldry.
Kek.
Retard.

[Anonymous No.11060550]

>>11059760
>Bourdain was also known for his sarcastic comments about vegan and vegetarian activists, saying that their lifestyle is rude to the inhabitants of many countries he visits.
>Died June 8, 2018 (aged 61)

So this.... is the power of carnists

[Anonymous No.11060729]

>>11059903
It’s only evil when whites do it goy!

[Anonymous No.11060738]

>>11060729
People only need reparations when white people buy land. When other people conquer lands (Mongolians/ Africans) , no reparations are asked for. White people are where the money is. Spreading white guilt squeezes the money out of white people.

[Anonymous No.11060918]

>>11060738
whitey gib birb reparations NOW

[Anonymous No.11060941]

>>11059735
>http://genomicgastronomy.com/work/2012-2/vegan-ortolan/
>Special Snowflake Studio

[Anonymous No.11060949]

>>11059735
>figs
>vegan

[Anonymous No.11061486]

>>11060949
Are you that same fag who's always posting about how mushrooms aren't vegan because they're not plants?

[Anonymous No.11061497]

>>11059735
To simulate ortolan, wouldn't you have to try lots of ortolan to understand the dish?

[Anonymous No.11061522]

>>11061497
I think they're just guessing from the writings of people like Bourdain
>vegan """chefs"""

[Anonymous No.11061975]

>>11061486
>there must only be one anon who can see how backwards and contradictory vegan logic is.
Try again

[Anonymous No.11061993]

>>11059821
you're being intentionally obtuse if you think killing a plant is nearly the same as killing an animal

[Anonymous No.11062054]

>>11059760
This is beautiful

[Anonymous No.11062173]

>>11060550

[Anonymous No.11062180]

>>11061993
Even in the States it’s an actual crime to harm endangered flora.

[Anonymous No.11062187]

>>11061993
>you're being intentionally obtuse if you think killing a plant is nearly the same as killing an animal

You're being intellectualy dishonest if you think one life is more valuable than another. And I'm a vegan.

[Anonymous No.11062194]

Is this supposed to be an alternative to actual Ortolan or?

[Anonymous No.11063633]

>>11059735
>cruelest meat dish ever invented
It can't be worse than the webm with the frogs skinned alive

[Anonymous No.11063669]

>>11061975
>vegans claim to not eading dead animals because of their moral virtue... except when it doesn't count!
of course!

[Anonymous No.11063684]

>>11059735

How the fuck would a vegan know what ortolan tastes like?

[Anonymous No.11063685]

>>11062187
>more valuable
I think the issue is more about the given organism's apparent capacity for suffering. Plants don't seem to have even the most basic sorts of biological machinery that we believe are involved in pain and suffering. Closest thing to a more animal-like plant would probably be a venus flytrap, and even they don't have nervous systems of any sort and probably move in response to fluid pressure.
That's the reason behind calling brain-dead people like Terry Schiavo "vegetables." The idea is that they aren't really feeling pain or suffering or having an awareness of themselves or the world around them anymore, in much the same way vegetables don't seem to have that sort of awareness.
It's a little more complicated than all that because plants clearly do "behave" in a long term sense in response to stimuli light sunlight or water, but it's generally not thought of as even the same level of awareness that a simple insect would have in comparison, let alone a doggo.

[Anonymous No.11063703]

>>11063633

Force feeding the bird in a cage that completely restricts movement until it's fattened and then drowning it in cognac. The frogs probably would have raped the bird to improve its flavor if their dicks had fit.

[Anonymous No.11063704]

>>11063684
not all vegans have been vegan their whole lives

[Anonymous No.11063705]

>>11059760
This reads like Hillary recounting the last satanic late term fetus meal she consumed.

[Anonymous No.11063712]

>>11059760
>infused with the salty taste of my own blood as my mouth is pricked by the sharp bones.
That sounds retarded. You can make it without doing all the unnecessarily cruel and retarded shit like making your own mouth bleed. I'm not even a vegan but this shouldn't be celebrated. Unless you want to make a lab-grown version of it then do whatever.

[Anonymous No.11063713]

>>11059941
>How are vegans able to replicate a dish they have never tasted?
>>11061497
>To simulate ortolan, wouldn't you have to try lots of ortolan to understand the dish?
>>11063684
>How the fuck would a vegan know what ortolan tastes like?
I don't think they really care about getting the taste exactly right. It sounds more like they're doing it for the novelty of taking a dish that's offended a lot of vegetarian / animal rights type people and doing a vegan simulation of it. I would guess it probably tastes very little like the real thing except that they have some very basic ideas of how the texture would be and they also have the non-animal flavors still like Armagnac.
It's not like any non-vegans are going to be eating this anyway.

[Anonymous No.11063739]

>>11060729
>French
>white
La luz extinguida

[Anonymous No.11063753]

>>11059783
It's not rare. It's incredibly common.

[Anonymous No.11063759]

>>11059735
How is this dish even cruel? They... You know. Kill it before they eat it. Are vegans just ignoring that plenty of animals are consumed while still alive in Asia?

[Anonymous No.11063769]

>>11063759
>Are vegans just ignoring that plenty of animals are consumed while still alive in Asia?
Are you retarded? So you can do whatever you want to an animal as long as you kill it before eating?

[Anonymous No.11063772]

>>11059735
OP is a faggot!

[Anonymous No.11063778]

>>11063769
Well, yeah. Otherwise it's not necrophiliac bestiality you fucking pleb. You need to go back.

[Anonymous No.11063792]

>>11063769
Yeah, nigger. It's dead. It's troubles are over. Maybe you'd care to join it?

[Anonymous No.11063797]

>>11063792
pretending to be retarded is still being retarded

[Anonymous No.11063811]

>>11063797
Careful with that edge Johnny Boy

[Anonymous No.11063853]

>>11063704

Yeah, but ortolan is a pretty rare dish, and it's so inhumane it makes even most meat eaters a little leery about eating it, let alone those prone to veganism.

[Anonymous No.11063863]

>>11059760
why is he happy about his own mouth bleeding from biting down on bones?
that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.11063877]

>>11059821
the difference is that plants are incapable of feeling pain or distress you fucking brainlet.

>durr hurr I can't photosynthesise so I might as well hurt other animals to pleasure my tastebuds as much as possible

I'm not vegetarian but these attempts to debunk vegetarianism are so cringe.

[Anonymous No.11063904]

>>11063877
They're about as good at it as most simple animals and insects https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm

[Anonymous No.11063905]

>>11063877
Plants have a nervous system much different than ours but just as responsive. There's plants that communicate through sending chemicals through air/water to each other

[Anonymous No.11063923]

>>11059735
What you just eat the bird? They take a fat bird, down it in brandy, and cook it. You just put a napkin on your head and eat a bird. It's a hell of a lot less sinful than eating factory raised chicken.

[Anonymous No.11063933]

>>11063905
Organisms need nerves to have a nervous system. They do not communicate through electrical pulses.

[Anonymous No.11063936]

>>11063759
>They... You know. Kill it before they eat it.
>>11063769
>So you can do whatever you want to an animal as long as you kill it before eating?
You're both retarded. You can do "cruel" things to an animal *before* you kill and eat it. How did this possibility not occur to either of you? It's considered "cruel" because you gouge out its eyes to exploit its instinct for nighttime foraging so it gorges itself to twice its normal size and then you kill it by drowning it with the marinade for the dish.
https://www.birdlife.org/europe-and-central-asia/news/france-ortolan-bunting-may-soon-be-menu

[Anonymous No.11063942]

>>11063923

Ortolan came from a more innocent time when animal cruelty still had a personal touch.

[Anonymous No.11063943]

>>11063905
>Plants have a nervous system
No they don't. If you see some article talking about a "nervous system" in a plant, they mean it in the same way an article might talk about how your GI tract is a "second brain," i.e. it's an analogy, not a literal nervous system.

[Anonymous No.11063944]

>>11063936
You don't even blind it anymore, you put it in a box or covered cage.

[Anonymous No.11063952]

>>11063936
>>11063944

I always love watching two people use the same wikipedia article to argue with each other.

[Anonymous No.11063965]

>>11063944
No one blinds it? I'm sure not everyone does it, but it also sounds like at least some people do for the sake of faithfulness to tradition e.g.:
https://www.birdlife.org/europe-and-central-asia/news/france-ortolan-bunting-may-soon-be-menu
>Under the guise of tradition, the tiny birds are blinded (to disrupt their feeding habits) and kept in tiny cages, where they are force-fed to increase their fat reserves, before being drowned in brandy, roasted and served.

[Anonymous No.11063975]

>>11063943
Then why does my beanstalk grow towards the matchstick I stroke it with but avoids the one I burn it with

[Anonymous No.11063976]

>>11063952
I cited my article though and its URL clearly says:
>birdlife
Not:
>wikipedia
Are you having a stroke, anon?

[Anonymous No.11063983]

>>11063976
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.11063984]

>>11063965
>Trusting bird PETA

[Anonymous No.11063990]

>>11063975
Because responding to stimuli isn't the same thing as having a nervous system?
A thermometer responds to stimuli too you know. And we stick them up babies assholes, there ought to be a law against cruelty to thermometers.

[Anonymous No.11063998]

>>11063990
This
Outlaw thermometers, they rape children

[Anonymous No.11064000]

>>11063976

Come off it, buddy. Wikipedia diving and then finding a less obvious link to post is tactic #1 in the internet argument playbook.

[Anonymous No.11064005]

>>11063984
Seems pretty stupid not to blind them. If I'm already going to indulge in some borderline illegal torture-murder dish of an endangered species I wouldn't want to skimp out on the authenticity by not blinding it beforehand.

[Anonymous No.11064014]

>>11064005
>Wounding the animal and risking an infection
You're the one that sound retarded

[Anonymous No.11064015]

>>11064000
I didn't get it from wikipedia, I got it from google because I specifically searched for ortolan blinded to see if ortolans were still blinded. Try it for yourself, angry wikipedia witch hunting friend:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ortolan+blinded

[Anonymous No.11064018]

>>11059783
>killing something
It's dead and cooked you idiot.

The only thing "cruel" about Ortolan is drowning the bird with brandy.

[Anonymous No.11064020]

>>11064014
How does gouging a bird's eyes out increase the risk for infection? Are you using a dirty eye-gouger?

[Anonymous No.11064050]

>>11064018
>The only thing "cruel" about Ortolan is drowning the bird with brandy.
You say that like drowning isn't that big of a deal. That's easily one of the worst, somewhat common causes of sudden death there is, I would really not want to drown personally. Can you imagine being completely submerged with no chance of getting back to air and having to eventually give up and inhale a huge amount of non-air liquid into your lungs? That'd be way worse than any sort of physical trauma applied to the outside of your body, your abdomen is a lot better equipped for physical trauma than your lungs are.

[Anonymous No.11064053]

>>11064020

I didn't actually think about how they would blind it, but given that it's French, I now have no doubt there's some sort of specialized implement for it.

[Anonymous No.11064058]

>>11064053
The specialized implement is a dark room.

All you do is turn the lights off so the dumb bird thinks it's night time, when they eat more.

[Anonymous No.11064081]

>>11064058
Why wouldn't anyone still do the eye gouging part though? If I'm going to engage in some ancient ritualistic food preparation technique that involves cruelty to animals I would want the full experience. Otherwise what's the point, you might as well kill it before marinading it while you're at it if the tradition doesn't matter, it's not like killing it immediately before marinading it would change the meal any either.

[Anonymous No.11064087]

>>11060484
Indiana Jones is not a documentary you retard

[Anonymous No.11064095]

>>11064087
Nigger

[Anonymous No.11064099]

>>11064081
>. Otherwise what's the point, you might as well kill it before marinading it while you're at it

You drown the bird because the usual slaughtering methods bruise the meat too much. It's a very delicate animal.

[Anonymous No.11064102]

>>11064081
You don't marinate it in the traditional sense though, you drown it to fill the lungs with alcohol, which you could try to do manually like a retard if you wanted.

[Anonymous No.11064115]

>>11064102
>>11064099
>>11064095
>>11064087
>>11064081
>>11064058
>>11064053
>>11064050

[Anonymous No.11064134]

>>11064115

[Anonymous No.11064231]

>>11059735
How Maïté used to eat ortolan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPMuyGe7dg

[Anonymous No.11064280]

>>11064231
I want it

[Anonymous No.11064340]

>>11059760
This man very likely ate even MORE endangered species with criminals. I wouldn't be surprised if a year or so from know we find out he's eaten tiger or blue whale. Good riddance.

[Anonymous No.11064369]

>>11064340

Alas, I fear all the parts he ate will remain unknown.

[Anonymous No.11064376]

>>11064340
>Tiger
You get more out of it in chinese traditional medicine or tiger wine desu
>Blue whale
I have no knowledge of them being hunted, though I know of other species that do

[Anonymous No.11064711]

>>11064231
That is one of the lewdest videos I've ever seen on YouTube

[Anonymous No.11064740]

>>11060738
Hey nigger, remind me what lands outside of Sub-Saharan Africa did black people conquer, unless you're referring to your ancestors that left the continent 45,000-100,000 years ago.

[Anonymous No.11064757]

>>11063759
They're usually Americans and Europeans. Why would they give two shits about Asia? Should the Chinese be considered about what goes on in Nigeria when it comes to food safety?

[Anonymous No.11064766]

>>11059735
Isn't veal more cruel

[Anonymous No.11064787]

>>11064766
Veal calves are humanely raised and slaughtered, not drowned.

[Anonymous No.11064788]

>>11064231
I want her to suck my dick like that. Well, minus the biting and crunching near the end.

[Anonymous No.11064817]

>>11064787
>veal calves are humanely raised
All of them?

[Anonymous No.11064822]

>>11064740
Niggers are not one group. They did conquer stuff from each other within Sub-Saharan Africa. For example, it's a relatively little known fact that South Africa was mostly empty when the Europeans showed up, save a few Khoisan bushmen and such. The Bantu peoples came down from the Congolese basin around the same time as the Euros showed up, and it was only with the help of the European technology that their population exploded, ultimately resulting in their taking over the country in '94 (with plenty of [international] military and financial assistance).

In light of that, the although it's inside Africa, the foreign Bantu niggers did succeed in conquering the land of South Africa from the whites.

[Anonymous No.11065060]

>>11060550
Bourdain didn't die from eating meat, he died from crossing the Clintons.

[Anonymous No.11065072]

>>11064231
>she said "And then, it's not something we usually do, but I take it and suck it's asshole".
Dunno if it's true since I don't speak French but she was pretty much doing that

[Anonymous No.11065214]

https://youtu.be/PJnPZgLHHWQ
>vegans

[Anonymous No.11065226]

We want the eyes wide shut experience lul we so cultured hahahaahah weee

[Anonymous No.11065231]

>>11065214
Your source sv3rige is literally a flat earther, pro incest and believe 9/11 was a inside job.

[Anonymous No.11065242]

>>11059941
You know people aren't born vegan, right?

[Anonymous No.11065244]

>>11064787
A lot of veal isn't done humanely
Like, people have been known to chain calves to stakes so they don't develop tough muscle to keep the meat tender

[Anonymous No.11065246]

The whole point in making this vegan is to illustrate how barbaric the dish itself is. People who are saying "hurr dumb vegans!!" are missing the point.

[Anonymous No.11065252]

>>11065244
I've raised veal calfs before for an agricultural high school class
They were kept in the shed, maybe about 10 ft square for two calves. They weren't allowed to leave and weren't allowed to see any of the other cows, and only drank instant milk. It made me kind of sick, and they were kept in good condition as far as veal goes.

[Anonymous No.11065253]

>>11065231
So?
Apart from the flat earth meme he's spot on look at how their health deteriorates they are literally all malnourished I met one irl who was so sick she had to take vitamins because her shitty vegan diet made her look just as sick they literally rot from the inside out.
Don't even get me started on the fact they are all raging soy homosex pedofile pushing hippie whack jobs who believe eating something sentient is bad (yet plants somehow ain't (((alive))) and being killed under their logic)
If you are one of these vegans I hope u have a good diet because every one I met is amaciated as fuck and has surveer mental problems my last vegan fren killed himself

[Anonymous No.11065254]

>>11065231
Nice ad hominem, retard. He doesn't even editorialize in the video, it's just a compilation of clips of vegans that the vegans themselves opted to put online

[Anonymous No.11065500]

>>11063863
>>11063712
Yeah why would you ever eat anything painful

[Anonymous No.11065570]

>>11060053
This is the Funniest thing i've visualized in a long time.

[Anonymous No.11065585]

>these retards critizing Bourdain for hurting himself while eating
>the same retards who probably eat spicy food for pleasure
kek

[Anonymous No.11065589]

>>11065585
They're vegan, the spiciest thing they eat is soy protein shaped like a pepper and doused in sweet sauce

[Anonymous No.11066018]

>>11061993
>Killing the basis of all life on earth is better than killing the byproduct that feeds on it.
kys
>>11063685
>>11063877
>>11063943
Plants respond to painful stimuli and animals respond to painful stimuli. Anthropomorphising animals because they have cute faces is retarded. Thinking that animals experience the suffering that comes with pain (as humans do) is plain wrong.

[Anonymous No.11066131]

>>11065585
Except spicy food isn't doing any actual damage. He was talking about his mouth being cut up and bleeding.

[Anonymous No.11066890]

>>11065589
What are you talking about? Vegans use more hot sauce than most. They need it because their food is gross and bland on its own. Take a steak and it's so tasty that you can eat it by yourself, and you should; most frown on smothering a good steak in shitty factory-bottled sauce. There's no such comparable cuisine in vegan or vegetarian cooking, see pic related

>>11066131
Realistically ortolan bones are not going to cause much more damage to the roof of your mouth than Captain Crunch

[Anonymous No.11066899]

>>11066890
Has Captain Crunch ever made your mouth bleed?

[Anonymous No.11066934]

>>11064817
Are all people?

[Anonymous No.11066935]

>>11065060
they're really close to the Kennedy's who have very strong connections on both sides of the law

[Anonymous No.11066941]

>>11065244
I mean, people have raised other people that way. Usually not for eating but still

[Anonymous No.11066942]

>>11066899
Are you being intentionally obtuse?

[Anonymous No.11066943]

>>11066890
>Realistically ortolan bones are not going to cause much more damage to the roof of your mouth than Captain Crunch
Captain Crunch only scrapes the roof of your mouth a bit if you don't let the milk soak in. You're not tasting your own blood while eating Captain Crunch.

[Anonymous No.11066950]

>>11065244
Are the stakes done to medium rare or well dome?

[Anonymous No.11066956]

>>11066899
>>11066943
PepsiCo Internet Defense Force pls go

[Anonymous No.11066971]

>>11059735
Can Orlatans be bred in captivity because their population is in decline?

[Anonymous No.11066988]

>>11066131
surprisingly good for you actually(case by case basis because different people have different nutritional needs)
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/foods/chili-peppers

[Anonymous No.11066996]

>>11066956
Not them but there is a big difference between surface irritation/abrasion and having your mouth literally bleed from being stabbed by sharp objects

[Anonymous No.11067087]

>>11066018

[Anonymous No.11067129]

>>11066018
Plants don't have nervous systems despite whatever mistaken reading you've done of some pop sci article that uses "nervous system" as a loose analogy. Has nothing to do with faces or anthropomorphism. Stop being such a retarded sophist, I like eating meat too and I don't need to try to prove I'm morally identical to vegetarians to do so. Don't know why so many of you feel the need to pretend the modern meat industry is a magical fairyland of kindly saints and happy animals who love being slaughtered. It's possible to eat meat and still recognize animal suffering isn't a particularly great thing. The least we can do for the animals who die for our delicious meals is to not disguise or attempt to minimize what had to happen for us to get those meals. Respect your life-giving meat supply animals, dummy.

[Anonymous No.11067172]

>>11065252
I’m planning on raising /humane/ veal. I don’t get the point of creating a babby animal to keep the meat from getting “tough”. Lamb isn’t raised like that.

[Anonymous No.11067177]

>>11067172
*crating

[Anonymous No.11067203]

>>11067172
I bought a pet baby bull on Monday. Surprisingly cheap all around if you already have the land!

[Anonymous No.11068616]

>>11064369
underrated

[Anonymous No.11068711]

>>11061993
>obtuse
woah that's heady

[Anonymous No.11069691]

>>11067129
Would you say that to a Jain? It's amazing how vegans are all about recognizing non-human suffering until the panpsychist notion is raised that everything is alive and ensouled and deserving of respect. Then all of a sudden the retarded sophistic false-equivocators accuse others of their own misdeeds.

[Anonymous No.11069704]

>>11059735
>implying ortolan is that cruel
The only super unethical thing about it is that the ortolan bunting is endangered/threatened.

[Anonymous No.11069729]

>>11069691

Panpsychism is retarded. What use would a plant have for a soul?

[Anonymous No.11069732]

>>11069729
>What use would a plant have for a soul?
What use would an animal have for one?

[Anonymous No.11069752]

>>11069732

Assuming you believe in souls as a metaphysical aspect, the soul would be the element of behavior that transcends process. Plant behavior can be explained by purely materialist means because they don't exhibit any behavior beyond chemical-driven stimulus response. If you go far enough down that path, it becomes questionable whether animals have souls, but it's obvious plants don't, unless you mean soul in a different sense.

[Anonymous No.11069791]

>>11059760
That sounds horrifying and also exquisite.

[Anonymous No.11069838]

>>11069752
Human behavior can also be explained purely materialistically. Assuming any damn thing has a soul makes the equivalent amount of sense as panpsychism.

[Anonymous No.11069949]

>>11069838
Either everything has a soul, all the way down to the humble rock, or nothing does. And the purely mechanistic explanation of the cosmos is not very satisfying. Humans only differ from this in our conscious intellectus, versus the more base animus

[Anonymous No.11070005]

>>11061993
You’re right, it’s actually worse since you are killing things that are producing valuable oxygen which all land animals and humans need to survive thus you are indirectly trying to kill everything on earth by eating plants

[Anonymous No.11070239]

>>11063975
>Then why does my beanstalk grow towards the matchstick I stroke it with but avoids the one I burn it with

Are you still talking about plants? This feels like you have strayed into penis territory. No judgement, interesting kink ya got there.

[Anonymous No.11070288]

>>11070239
jack and the magic benis stalk :DDD

[Anonymous No.11070298]

>>11059760
sounds terrible

[Anonymous No.11070300]

>>11060053
kek

[Anonymous No.11070599]

>>11070298
Why do you think that Bourdain quote seems to be such potent uncultured brainlet bait?

[Anonymous No.11070688]

>>11059941
Nobody said the people making it were vegan

[Anonymous No.11070709]

>>11067129
>plants don't have nervous systems
nice strawman

[Anonymous No.11070716]

>>11069704
this

[Anonymous No.11070729]

>>11069752
plants have more use for a soul than us. shit, rice is way more evolved than we are. plant's can communicate without having to talk or write or even move. they mate, they fight, they eat, they live. they are essentially immobile animals which went down a seperate evolutionary path over the multi million years they've been around

[Anonymous No.11070733]

>>11069949
I hope you mean Lithops and the like. and not granite or marble

[Anonymous No.11070741]

>>11070005
>You’re right, it’s actually worse since you are killing things that are producing valuable oxygen which all land animals and humans need to survive thus you are indirectly trying to kill everything on earth by eating plants

[Anonymous No.11070782]

>>11070729
That's wrong and stupid as fuck. Next time listen in biology class instead of smoking weed in the toilet

[Anonymous No.11070796]

>>11059864
Actually, if you ignore the /ck trigger words, it's just an exercise in culinary creativity and skill. It is pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.11070893]

>>11059735
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.11070898]

>>11070796
>ignore the /ck/ trigger words
What the heck, the page is blank

[Anonymous No.11070918]

>>11070782
anon is retarded if he thinks that plants don't communicate or evolve

[Anonymous No.11070925]

>>11063990
>Because responding to stimuli isn't the same thing as having a nervous system?

Using that argument I could also say the following: having a nervous system isn't the same as having self-awareness or moral agency.

[Anonymous No.11070930]

>>11066890
>that picture
A michelin star vegan chef made that? Toasted bread with romaine lettuce shoved through a hole and a bit of, I assume, vegan parmesan crisp? That's something that belongs in girlfriend dinners.

[Anonymous No.11070947]

[Anonymous No.11070952]

>>11066890
shoving romaine hearts through a piece of texas toast is Michelin star worthy? bullshit.
I could do the same thing at 5 years old. shit ain't talent it's laziness

[Anonymous No.11070979]

>>11070952
What the fuck is all this panpsychist anthropomorphization trash coming from? Romaine doesn't have a heart as much as it doesn't have a soul. Eating lettuce is not the same as killing an innocent animal, end of conversation!

[Anonymous No.11070992]

>>11070979
>Romaine Hearts are the center leaves of Romaine lettuce.
Literally 2 seconds on google
>imagine being so retarded you can't figure out a search engine

[Anonymous No.11071009]

>>11063904
that link is was written by a popsci journalist and is totally misrepresenting science.
Have a professor of botany explaining what plants are actually capable of thinking and what pain they're capable of experiencing (the answer to both is nothing)
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/xd74nd/we-asked-a-botanist-how-sure-science-is-that-plants-cant-feel-pain-302

>>11063905
yes, some plants have nerves, no that still doesn't mean that they are capable of feeling pain or distress.
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/xd74nd/we-asked-a-botanist-how-sure-science-is-that-plants-cant-feel-pain-302
>>11066018
There is no such thing as "painful stimuli" for a plant you ignorant fucking fool. They can detect stimuli but they lack the receptors for pain and they lack the neurons to think about their stimuli or feel distress or alarm. Animals like large mammals or birds are clearly capable of experiencing pain, distress and alarm . Thinking that only humans are capable of suffering is extremely low IQ.
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/xd74nd/we-asked-a-botanist-how-sure-science-is-that-plants-cant-feel-pain-302

[Anonymous No.11071023]

>>11071009
>vice

[Anonymous No.11071024]

>>11065500
Why don't you answer that yourself you pretentious faggot? How about next time you make pasta you put in a few handfuls of small, sharp bones just for some excitement?

Christ the amount that dipshits will try to fit in to whatever seems "exclusive" or "prestige" no matter how retarded it is.

[Anonymous No.11071056]

>>11071023
>article interviewing professor of biology specialising in plants at Tel Aviv university

You've just admitted that you have no counter-argument so you have to resort to trying to discredit the source, even though the source is one of the most qualified people on the planet to answer the question.

Doesn't it feel bad being such an intellectually dishonest brainlet that you have to resort to such petty and dishonest garbage? I'd feel so embarrassed if I did what you did just now. Feels good not being a brainlet and having to degrade myself by being dishonest.

[Anonymous No.11071061]

>>11071056
>Tel Aviv university

[Anonymous No.11071085]

>>11064340
Aren't those birds super common? The 'exotic' thing about ortolan is the preparation and how you eat it.

[Anonymous No.11071086]

>>11070918
>>11070918
You're the retarded. You said that rice is "more evolved" than human beings. The idea of any current organism being "more evolved" than any other is stupid and invalid and indicates no understanding of evolution. You can say that some species have had more generations than other species and so more opportunities for selection pressures to act and for the population allele distribution to change, but this doesn't mean that the species has evolved for its environments more effectively than one which has a longer time between generations. Yes plants evolve but you said that rice was "more evolved than humans" which is stupid and and indicates severely flawed understanding of evolution.

As for communication, in the same way you could say that amoeba and other organism without brains or neural nets "communicate" .

[Anonymous No.11071111]

>>11071056
>t e l
>a v i v
>u n i v e r s i t y

[Anonymous No.11071114]

>>11071009
>>11071056
>>11071061
>Tel Aviv university
They just control everything don't they? they tell us what to watch, who to vote for, what to read, and apparently what to eat

[Anonymous No.11071119]

>>11071061
>>Tel Aviv university

[Anonymous No.11071120]

>>11071085
Endangered, maybe depending on the country.

[Anonymous No.11071127]

>>11071086
plants, like a lot of insects communicate through releasing chemicals.
evelations is the 'result' of a lot of adaptations through generations. hence, more generations something has to make more adaptations through generations, the more evolved it becomes. but it's nice to see you try and think for once

[Anonymous No.11071132]

>>11071061
>>11071111
>https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=uT68qnAAAAAJ&hl=en
>4800 citations
>postdoc researcher at Yale
>papers published with 100+ citations in Cell, Plant Cell, journal of biological chemistry, scientific american, proceedings of the national academy of sciences...

durr and you're still unable to provide any evidence that he's wrong.

Doesn't it feel bad being such an intellectually dishonest brainlet that you have to resort to such petty and dishonest garbage? I'd feel so embarrassed if I did what you did just now. Feels good not being a brainlet and having to degrade myself by being dishonest.

[Anonymous No.11071151]

>>11071127
>more generations = more evolved
This is wrong because different species can accomplish more variation per generation than others and so their population allele distribution can change as much or more within a set amount of time than a species with a shorter generation time.

Your thinking is lower-highschool level.

[Anonymous No.11071157]

>>11071151
Yeah, that's why there's over 5000 species of daddy long legging when they've been around longer than any spider genus compared to only 27 species of taratula

[Anonymous No.11071158]

>>11059735
THIS is so fucking stupid. Yeah you sure showed them

[Anonymous No.11071175]

>>11059783
It's not rare at all you literal autist

[Anonymous No.11071178]

>>11071158
>hating a group of people so much that you imitate their culture
gotta love vegans

[Anonymous No.11071189]

>>11064087
Another literal retard

[Anonymous No.11071211]

>>11071157
This does not change the fact that to say that the species with the shorter time between generations is necessarily the one whose population allele distribution changes faster is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11071231]

>>11071211
the more chromosomes an organism has the more complex it is. the more complex, the more evolved
https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=17JvxrdlbFpmJAwqYYoWRothb7T2oDgsViReLGlc

[Anonymous No.11071238]

>>11060538
1.it's not illegal
2.putting it in the dark is not blinding it. No eye gouging happens
3.come back when you're screaming about Asians boiling dogs alive eating live frogs and protesting halal and kosher meat
4.((((you))) won't

[Anonymous No.11071240]

>>11071211
Care to change that statement into something coherent instead of an ambiguous, meaningless jumble of nonsense?

[Anonymous No.11071241]

>>11064015
Thanks, your link just brought up bias peta websites. Fucking fag

[Anonymous No.11071248]

>>11064081
You're a psychopath

[Anonymous No.11071265]

>>11065246
There was no point to be had

[Anonymous No.11071282]

>>11070741
He's right

[Anonymous No.11071290]

>>11070992
????
Is this what it's like to see someone typing through a stroke?

[Anonymous No.11071309]

>>11059821
Loosen your fedora, cringelord.

[Anonymous No.11071323]

>>11071290
maybe but their point still stands that the heart of a head of lettuce isn't really a great. and the head of lettuce isn't some veg head with broccoli brains. because>>11070979 thinks that everything in food is literal, they probably think that baby carrots cry and get wet nursed

[Anonymous No.11071336]

>>11071323
>their point still stands that the heart of a head of lettuce isn't really a great.
>thinks that everything in food is literal,
It's hard to understand what you're trying to say when you won't complete your thoughts. Are you still working through that stroke, champ?

[Anonymous No.11071343]

Can someone explain to me what the fuck orlotan is?

[Anonymous No.11071346]

>>11071336
there seemed likely how many two could do. but when fore aren't even it can get messy when explained. heart is fine on plantes but head isn't in meet?

[Anonymous No.11071360]

>>11071343
a songbird that gets thrown into a vast of liquid to drown and marinate at the same time, chef cooks the delicious little fucker, then we eat it whole. preferable under a napkin to keep the aroma floating around our olfactory

[Anonymous No.11071378]

>>11071343
It's a small bird, kinda like a sparrow.

[Anonymous No.11071384]

>>11071360
Feathers and all? I'm assuming the broth its boiled in softens the bones so you dont slice your fucking throat open.
Fuck it I'd try it.
Is it a specific bird that's cooked or is it mainly the cooking method that's important?

[Anonymous No.11071400]

>>11071384
it's usually served without feathers but, on occasion, the chef opts to leave them on the head

[Anonymous No.11071403]

>>11071384
the feathers are removed, but everything else is eaten. It is both the bird and cooking method that make the dish special

[Anonymous No.11071436]

>>11071346
I see, thanks

[Anonymous No.11071449]

>>11071400
>>11071403
Thanks for the info. Guess drowning a Blue Jay from the backyard in a bucket of whiskey isn't gonna cut it then.

[Anonymous No.11071481]

>>11066941
in that case, people have also drowned in liquor
so ortolan is far less cruel than veal

[Anonymous No.11071482]

>>11071449
you could make a statement with an Americanized ortolan-esque dish. I would choose a more innocent, universally loved bird. Jays are more noble.

[Anonymous No.11071500]

>>11071231
moronic. look up what polyploidy is
>>11071240
I don't see what is ambiguous about it. the population allele distribution is the distribution of all the different alleles in that population (in this case the species). the time between generations is the time it takes for newborn members of that species to reproduce.
What do you not understand?

[Anonymous No.11071507]

>>11071482
I'll make a leaf version using a Nuthatch and maple syrup.

[Anonymous No.11071518]

>>11071500
>time
how you can be as much of a faggot as OP

[Anonymous No.11071536]

>>11071507
Maple syrup would be disgusting, the whole premise of the French 'marinade' is the burst of alcohol. Use rye or something instead.

[Anonymous No.11071747]

>>11070925
no shit, do you think vegans consider animals to have moral agency

[Anonymous No.11071755]

>>11071231
Homo sapiens lost a chromosome pair before they diverged from their Homo sp. ancestors. This happened through a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes into the current Chromosome 2.

Also, you fail to take the method of reproduction into account. Sexual reproductions opens up many more avenues for recombination or filtering out deleterious alleles.

[Anonymous No.11071881]

>>11071747
I think they do think that, seeing as they always drone on about what animals might want, and how they are raped and how the poor mothers have their babies stolen from them.

For this to have any meaning, these animals must have inherent worth and a good of their own which they consiously pursue. If they pursue a good of their own consiously, they must have moral agency, because they interact with other beings doing the same thing.

Seeing as animals in reality and in nature have never been shown to make any moral considerations, we can conclude that animals have no moral agency and therefore we do not have to take their wants and goals into consideration.

The conclusion of this train of thought is that it is impossible to steal from an animal or rape an animal, as animals are morally equivalent to a rock. The only value they carry is their instrumental value.

[Anonymous No.11072370]

>>11059760
Well, let's see chef Maïté show you how it's done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPMuyGe7dg

Not even pictures do it justice.

[Anonymous No.11072404]

>>11066890
Is that deconstructed Caesar salad? The fuck, coasties?

[Anonymous No.11072414]

>>11059760
metal

[Anonymous No.11072442]

>>11064231
w-why is she rubbing it on her face

[Anonymous No.11072469]

>>11070979
>Romaine doesn't have a heart as much as it doesn't have a soul.
oh ho ho

[Anonymous No.11072480]

>>11072370
What the fuck am I watching

>hold it to your face

>suck on then eat its ass slowly before you go in for the kill

[Anonymous No.11072507]

>>11070979
Innocence is not a property animals can have, as they have no moral agency. A male lion killing the cubs of his predecessor is no more or less innocent than a newly born lamb.

[Anonymous No.11072532]

>>11072507
>Hey guys I just took PHIL-1001 check it out

[Anonymous No.11072540]

>>11059760
The late Bourdain was clearly a hack and died in realisation of his vapid self.

[Anonymous No.11072672]

>>11072532
It's entertaining to watch you trying to cope with the voice of reason nagging in the back of your head. The voice that reminds you animals only have instrumental value. Anything more is a delusion your brain conjures up in order to avoid cognitive dissonance while you get high on that sweet pathological altruism.

[Anonymous No.11072691]

>>11072672
T. Teenager who just discovered philosophy

[Anonymous No.11072734]

>>11072691
Swing and miss. 2nd year biology master student, aquatic ecology track.

[Anonymous No.11072752]

>>11072734
The fact you would reply in earnest makes me respect you even less

It would be more forgivable if you were a teenager who just discovered philosophy instead of a pretentious autist on fucking /ck/

:Look at yourself m8

[Anonymous No.11072761]

>>11072691
Swing and miss. 2nd year biology master student, aquatic ecology track. Try arguing for conservation policy from a biocentric perspective instead of an anthropocentric one. You won't convince many actors.

[Anonymous No.11072766]

>>11072761
Thought the first attempt wasn't embarrassing enough, had to up the ante?

[Anonymous No.11072768]

>>11072752
At least I'm not a vegan.

[Anonymous No.11072776]

>>11072768
I'm literally cooking a roast at the moment

I can think you're a pretentious sperglord while not disagreeing with your points of view

[Anonymous No.11072789]

friendly reminder that mass-agriculture products are not vegan because they are grown in fertilizer that uses fish/blood/bonemeal

[Anonymous No.11072801]

>>11072442
To check for temperature, it's very hot. It should be, but then you shouldn't blow on it to cool it down, and instead just wait for it to be just the perfect temperature.

[Anonymous No.11072819]

>>11072776
So it's okay for vegans to make half-baked moral judgements, but when I put some effort into dismantling them I'm a pretentious sperglord? Must all conversation on this board remain low brow enough so that the fast food workers populating it won't feel intimidated?

[Anonymous No.11072821]

>>11072507
>Innocence is not a property animals can have, as they have no moral agency.
What? No, if you can't tell right from wrong you're operating at maximum innocence.
By your insane definition of innocence here Lennie from Of Mice and Men wouldn't count as innocent, and Adam and Eve pre-Fall wouldn't count as innocent.

[Anonymous No.11072837]

>>11072370
STOP

[Anonymous No.11072846]

>>11072819
The real mark of intelligence is being able to convey a point of view succinctly and without lofty pontification

It's /r/iamverysmart garbage to prop up your point with verbosity. I see this a lot from university students fresh out of their studies who think bigger words = bigger points

Dismantle away, but you're gonna get called out for jerking yourself off over it. That's facebook-tier autism stuff

[Anonymous No.11072864]

>>11072789
Doesn't that mean that no crops are vegan, ever? After all, dirt/soil contains decomposing plant and animal matter.

[Anonymous No.11072866]

>>11072821
The difference between an innocent child, is that it's base state is innocence and it can grow out of said innocence through experience. Animals and some of the mentally retarded, like Lennie, lack this capacity. They aren't innocent, they are simply dumb animals. You are confusing innocence with naivety.

[Anonymous No.11072868]

>>11065072
bottom would be more correct than asshole but you got it mostly right.

[Anonymous No.11072876]

>>11072864
Being vegan is quite retarded.

It's not environmentally friendly, it's not helping anyone or anything, it doesn't pollute less, it doesn't make you healthier... that's why it is so derided because it is literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.11072911]

>>11072876
it is an eating disorder and is self-harm

[Anonymous No.11072916]

>>11072864
pretty much
you can get vegan fertilizer but it's rare and most dirt won't be completely vegetable matter

[Anonymous No.11072923]

>>11072846
>succinctly and without lofty pontification

You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

But seriously, I hope you see the irony. I weep for you if you call a post like >>11072507 or >>11072672 verbose.

[Anonymous No.11072942]

>>11072923
Anyone who is unable to tailor their level of speaking to the audience its presented to is a dork-ass nerd and we laugh at them as soon as they leave the interview

PhD here, you're literally the meme of our academic community
>>11072672 is objectively terminal autism

[Anonymous No.11072952]

>>11072876
It's a lot more efficient to grow crops for people to eat than grow a bunch of food to feed cows, energy is lost by the cow; veganism is objectively better for the environment, even if you're growing crops that are hungry, because they're still less hungry than livestock

[Anonymous No.11072980]

>>11072952
>energy is lost by the cow
Sure. But that is moot when the cow is eating plants that are nutritionally worthless to human beings. A field of grass is useless to humans, but cows can convert it into food we can eat.

[Anonymous No.11073004]

>>11072866
>You are confusing innocence with naivety.
I'm not confusing shit, don't make up your own head canon semantic nonsense. The Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden is the ultimate loss of innocence story, and Adam and Even weren't capable of "moral agency" until after they ate the fruit that gave them that capacity. And there are about 111K pieces of writing on the public internet that describe Lennie from Of Mice and Men as innocent. Your make believe distinction isn't part of consensus reality.

[Anonymous No.11073010]

>>11072980
what the fuck kind of nonlogic is that

[Anonymous No.11073109]

>>11072942
t. non-STEM major

[Anonymous No.11074575]

>>11072952
Except we don't just eat cows, we also make leather from their skin, cosmetics from about everything else, drugs too. You wouldn't believe how much shit is used from a cow, a pig, a sheep, or even a chicken.

That is something vegans overlook, like they overlook the fact that even if it was better to just grow crops, we can't find decent enough replacements to all of that, and even the replacements that exist cannot possibly answer the actual demand. Sheep wool and leather alone are so fucking useful, but no, better use vegan leather and synthetic foam, both made from petroleum. Oops.

[Anonymous No.11074579]

>>11073010
The logic is cattle eats shit you couldn't eat. It's a thousand times more efficient to provide feed for cattle than fucking avocados. Try eating hay and tell me how it goes.

[Anonymous No.11074646]

>>11074575
Reminds me of part of the folly of the same type of retards trying to eliminate fossil fuels. They seem to only talk about stuff like cars, but neglect the massive influence organic chemistry has had on our society, and the influence it has on almost every product we produce as a species at this point.

In eliminating fossil fuels and therefore plastics etc, it would be very difficult to simply walk civilization back to something like a medieval state. See the gold industry for example; the 'low-hanging fruit' deposits have practically all been depleted, so now we have no choice but to extract ores of extremely low concentration that require high tech. This is true in many other areas as well, such as oil (i.e. fracking and bitumen). Thus, I honestly think it would be realistic to suggest that such a transition would require us to walk global civilization back to something like the Stone Age.

Now combine the desire to eliminate fossil fuels with veganism. Veganism is heavily reliant on industrial agriculture, requiring intensive fertilizers, pesticides, and hydrocarbon-powered farm equipment. It's hard to imagine how a vegan would fare in a Stone Age environment. As you pointed out, animal agriculture and hunting provides substantial returns beyond just meat such as pelts and bone tools. Not to mention that a fresh kill offers significant caloric benefits, especially in winter time when plants don't really grow.

In short, I imagine the only way the dream of eliminating carbon fuels and becoming vegan could effectively only be brought about by a total and global collapse of civilization, and a devolution towards our earlier primate ancestors like gorillas or even little monkeys. Otherwise, both of those things are here to stay.

[Anonymous No.11074773]

ffs

[Anonymous No.11074783]

>>11059760
Imagine being this pretentious

[Anonymous No.11074902]

I'm vegan

[Anonymous No.11074913]

>>11059760

Yuck.

[Anonymous No.11074938]

>>11074783
>Describing food is pretentious
Eat shit you insecure bitch

[Anonymous No.11074943]

>>11074902
Proud of you

[Anonymous No.11074947]

>>11059735
French cuisine is already failed
>Touted as the most refined and brilliant cuisine in the world by many
>Recipes so simple a child could make them
>Recipes that take hours to effectively make a bunch of ingredients taste almost the same as they did before cooking
>Recipes that are nigh on implssible to adapt to meet allergy or dietary requirements, at least without ridicule from the french
>Recipes that generally lack alternative seasoning, alternative spicing, and differential flavours, choosing instead to ride on the basic and unimaginitive tastes of the base ingredients
It does everything that every other shit country's cuisine gets wrong but gets a free pass because someone decided that it's the baseline for all cooking on a completely arbitrary basis.

[Anonymous No.11074981]

>>11059941
>Make vegan food
>Feed it to non vegan family/friends
>Trial and error until they can't tell any more
Simple

[Anonymous No.11074992]

>>11074947
>French cooking is too easy
>French cooking is too hard
>French people make fun of my veganism
>French recipes are too specific
Great points, Anon. Keep it up!

[Anonymous No.11074993]

Ortolan's been cooked, right?
How is eating a dead bird cruel?

[Anonymous No.11075009]

>>11074992
>Long=hard
>Completely missing the point that despite the recipes requiring next to no skill whatsoever, the results of what little effort is put in, plus all the hours, is still a disappointment
Typical frenchshit having once again shown they've never worked with spices or a complex recipe. Good job!

[Anonymous No.11075023]

>>11074993
It's approximately as cruel as a normally dispatched hunting/fishing kill, and almost definitely less cruel than most factory animal agriculture. I think there's an argument to be made that it's degenerate because it's extremely indulgent/decadent, but the cruelty argument is pretty absurd. I think a big part of the Vegan Problem is that these must be people so sheltered that they have no conception of the darkness of the human spirit, so the slightest thing seems intolerably cruel. It's how you get that meme with retards repeatedly making leftist-pilgrimage to the Middle East specifically to prove everyone over there is a good person, and time and time again they just get raped and murdered; sheltered naïveté

[Anonymous No.11075032]

>>11075009
Spices are for niggers with rotten meat

[Anonymous No.11075037]

>>11075032
Knew it would come to that.
Typical frenchshit has never seen asian cooking and fresh veggies + spices before. Nigger food is just as bad as French food.
>muh salt and seasoning sauces

[Anonymous No.11075100]

>>11075037
>Typical frenchshit has never seen asian cooking and fresh veggies + spices before.
Hmmm
>France colonized large swathes of Asia, and is infested with many ex-colonials
>France has plenty of fresh vegetables and it's probably better quality that whatever shithole you come from, any suggestion otherwise is absurd
>Spices are for niggers with rotten meat, and France mostly seasons with herbs anyway; most of which are probably not available fresh in your shithole country, same with your false "baguettes" that can't compete even with the worst boulangerie

[Anonymous No.11075113]

>>11075100
>It doesn't use herbs and spices together
>Ours is better and you're wrong
Wewing at this. The fact that Frenchshits have to scream at everyone who criticises their cooking just highlights how insecure they are, as a result of food that actually isn't that good.
French food, modern art, post WWII architecture. All different facets of the same shitty movement.

[Anonymous No.11075137]

>>11075113
Wow who could possibly be being this post
>Traditional French cuisine stems from the monarchist era, primarily Louis XIV
>French republicanism stems from Jewish influence
>Degenerate modern art stems from Jewish influence
>Degenerate post-WWII architecture stems from Jewish influence

[Anonymous No.11075333]

>>11059735
Cat vomit is on the menu, boys!

[Anonymous No.11075352]

>>11072942
>PhD
>on 4chan
sure, and I inherited 40million$ US currency from a rich banker from Zimbabwe

[Anonymous No.11075356]

>>11073004
>knew what pussy was and wanted some
lenny wasn't innocent just a retard

[Anonymous No.11075362]

>>11073010
it's also better for the grass to be grazed on by animals compared to being mowed

[Anonymous No.11075363]

>>11075023
Shhh, be careful you don't get accused of being a pretentious, verbose sperglord.

[Anonymous No.11075367]

>>11075032
Spiciness is degenerate, spiciness is anti-white. I don't mean to say that in any trivial way. In what it represents, spiciness is degenerate. What it means to spice up your food is to cause yourself agitation. To agitate your tongue. To cause you pain. To cause you a sensation, this new sensation, you might start shifting in your chair like "aah! that's hot!"

Here's the thing about spice, once you go from spicing food to making food spicy you've crossed into the realm of degeneracy. You're gonna be welcomed by Arab sheikhs and fucking la cucaracha dances. I don't mean this as a joke. If spicy food is something you enjoy then it's a sign of a degenerated spirit.

And it's these mud races that are so obsessed with spicy food, they're obsessed with agitation. They live in these climates where it's just sand, blowing in the wind. Or they might live in a muddy tropical forest where it's all gooey and slop-slop everywhere; it's constantly changing. But in the far North, what do we have? We have ice. There we have a true symbol. A way to orient ourselves, I suppose you'd say.

Spice is really a symbol of total decadence. If you enjoy causing pain to yourself, why is that? It's a thirst for total agitation that these lowers races are so much more... It's so much more sensual than the Hyperborean race. And it's not a plus. Hyperboreans have the true strength. Ice is strong. Sand you can just throw it to the wind, or you know... Disgusting... you can step on some mud, throw it away. You cn disperse it easily. But you have to smash ice.
So don't eat spicy food from a fucking salsa bowl, drink from the cool ice of your hyperborean ancestors.

[Anonymous No.11075373]

>>11074902

[Anonymous No.11075378]

>>11074981
>Make normal food
>Feed it to vegan family/friends
>Trial and error until they can't tell any more

[Anonymous No.11075380]

>>11075356
But can you fault a retard for not knowing right from wrong? No, but when they pose a danger to others you put them down. George didn't murder Lenny, he just put him down because like an animal, Lenny exists outside morality.

[Anonymous No.11075383]

>>11075367
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11075391]

>>11074981
>>11075378
>Make vegan food
>Feed it to non vegan family/friends
>Trial and error until they can't take it any more

[Anonymous No.11075395]

>>11075380
depends, am I being forced to care? because I can tell you he meant to kill that bitch to get back at that one glove wearing bitch...just like how he meant to crush his hand in the other chapter

[Anonymous No.11075402]

>>11075391
>take first bite of the vegan food
>realise it's just overpriced dog food for people who hate their dog

[Anonymous No.11075413]

>>11075395
You mean the puppy who he got angry at for being dead, or Curly's wife who he tells to shut up because George will get angry is he hears her scream? Lenny doesn't know right from wrong. The onlything he has resembling a consience is his fear George will get mad at him when he does "something bad".

[Anonymous No.11075414]

>>11059760
this post almost makes me want to turn vegan

[Anonymous No.11075415]

>>11060729
Well duh, animals don't understand the concept of "evil", only humans do.

[Anonymous No.11075502]

[Anonymous No.11075526]

>>11075413
or curly hand, he meant to do all that shit

[Anonymous No.11075697]

>>11075526
Lenny didn't "mean" to do anything. He doesn't have the mental capacity. He acts upon impulses, like an animal.

[Anonymous No.11075727]

>>11075697
you misunderstood the book. he was a sociopath that was only pretending to be mentally handicapped

[Anonymous No.11075793]

>>11075727

[Anonymous No.11075806]

>>11075793
careful with that edge johnny boy

[Anonymous No.11075868]

>>11075806
How is that edgy?

[Anonymous No.11075873]

>>11071231
No it fucking isn't. Polyploidy simply means that you have more than two paired sets of chromosomes which signifies more COPIES of genes, not more UNIQUE genes. Think of it this way; if you have two apples and I have four apples of the same type, does that mean I have a more varied set of apples than you do?

[Anonymous No.11075879]

>>11075873
>varied set of apples than you do?
Yes, unless two of your apples are atom-for-atom clones of the other two. You can put a dozen apples on a table, all from the same tree. They will not taste the same, weigh the same, or look the same. There will be slight variations between each one.

[Anonymous No.11075882]

>>11075879
>atom-for-atom clones
Huh?

[Anonymous No.11075895]

>>11064018
I always thought the part where they blinded the bird and force fed it was the most fucked up part.

[Anonymous No.11075900]

>>11075882
Do you understand how there would be zero difference between an apple and its atom-for-atom clone, but there would be small differences between two similar apples of the same cultivar?

[Anonymous No.11075901]

>>11075895
>force fed
You're conflating it with foie gras, they don't force feed ortolan, the bird just eats more in the dark or blinded due to an instinct to forage at night; thus if it's always dark they keep eating

[Anonymous No.11075906]

>>11075900
If they're made of the same atoms wouldn't it be the same object?

[Anonymous No.11075925]

>>11063933
What do you think the nerves carry you fucking retard? Electrical pulses. Christ this board gets dumber by the day

[Anonymous No.11075929]

>>11075906
>If they're made of the same atoms wouldn't it be the same object?
Sure. But who said anything about the same atoms? I said clones. Thus we are obviously talking about multiple objects.

"atom for atom" doesn't mean that the two objects share the same atoms. It means the two objects are identical in every respect.

[Anonymous No.11075955]

>>11075929
Hey quantumlet, atoms are not exactly the same, so even an 'atom-for-atom clone' (whatever the fuck that means) would not be identical. Think of it this way; if you have two atoms and I have four atoms of the same type, does that mean I have a more varied set of atoms than you do?

[Anonymous No.11075970]

>>11075955
>atoms are not exactly the same
Agreed. But they're close enough to make anon's example work. The flavor, appearance, weight, and other characteristics of an apple are unchanged if the subatomic particles of their individual atoms happen to be in different places/speeds at any given moment.

[Anonymous No.11075972]

>tfw visiting Japan next month
>tfw one of the things I'm most looking forward to is having an eel's head pinned to a cutting board and having it's spine ripped out predator-style before being bbqed and served to me

[Anonymous No.11075983]

>>11059760
Sounds delicious

[Anonymous No.11076003]

>>11075972
See if you can get your hands on some of that still-wriggling octopus. I had some while I was over there, and it was honestly one of the best dishes I've had in my life (obviously your experience will vary depending on where you get it, etc)

[Anonymous No.11076004]

>>11059903
>>11059916
>>11059930
Jeeeeesus. Just fucking kill it before you butcher it , how fucking cold do you have to be?

[Anonymous No.11076012]

>>11076004
Mongoloids don't have souls, Anon. You can't really blame them.

[Anonymous No.11076163]

>>11076003
live octopus is a Korean dish isn't it?

[Anonymous No.11076224]

>>11059760
lmao this is just eating foam cubes and deconstructed fish sticks off a tiny wheelbarrow but for boring edgelords

[Anonymous No.11076544]

>>11059760
I used to be vegan until I read this post now I just wanna eat animals alive and tear them apart with my teeth like our savage ancestors

[Anonymous No.11076684]

>>11075895
>where they blinded the bird
Hasn't been done since ancient Rome. In modern times it is sufficient to simply turn the lights off.

>force fed
The birds eat of their own free will. The only human intervention is turning off the lights, which tricks the birds into thinking it is night time.

>>11075901
Ducks have a similar foraging instinct in certain seasons, which is how we discovered foie gras in the first place.
It is entirely possible to get ethical, free-range foie gras if you're patient.

[Anonymous No.11076775]

>>11076163
Japanese octopus is dead but fresh enough that the salts in the soy sauce fire the tentacle's muscles and cause them to writhe.

[Anonymous No.11077339]

>>11062180
>Harming ENDANGERED ______ is illegal
As it should be

[Anonymous No.11077376]

>>11063990
>Thermometers and plants respond the same
>Thermometers have a system of nerve impulses that cause it to respond to stimuli
You have a very basic understanding of biology, if any at all, and should stop yourself from fucking posting at all costs.
You're an absolute fucking baboon brained mongoloid

[Anonymous No.11077396]

>>11077376
>baboon brained mongoloid
Anon... baboonbrainmongoloidposting is ENDANGERED