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*dabs on the third worlds water supply*

>> No.10986689
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10986689

>>10986645
>B-but at least we're saving the poor animals!
>Humans have lived long enough! T-the earth is overpopulated anyway!

>> No.10986723

>>10986689
are you even being ironic or not i cant tell with you people anymore

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>>10986689
Tiresome

>> No.10986739 [DELETED] 

>>10986733
Most first world places have enough water lol

and why would I give a shit about niggers?

>> No.10986743

>>10986733
What's the graph look like per calorie and not by weight?

>> No.10986783

>>10986743
Chickens are a very efficient source of protein, so they likely win on all counts.

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10986787

>>10986743
Something like this

>> No.10986803

>>10986645
Who cares about Mexico other than virtue signaling leftists?

>> No.10986840

>>10986689
based and redpilled

>> No.10986842

>>10986803
You once they start invading the USA because they have no water.

>> No.10986849

Most avocados you buy in the states are grown in California. Go ahead and read up on all the heinous shit going on with their agricultural water supplies.

>> No.10986851

>>10986842
Are they too dumb to stop using water exporting cash crop to the northern gringos?

>> No.10986935

>>10986733
518 gallons of water per pound of chicken and you idiots believe that number

>> No.10986953

>>10986842
>once they start

>> No.10986972

>>10986733
wait does that water disappear forever, holy fuck!

>> No.10986978

>>10986645
that's not corn and soÿ

>> No.10986982

>>10986972
By your sarcasm it sounds like you don't realize usable water is actually on the decline.

>> No.10986985

>>10986972
You didn't know that?
All water that is ingested by animals, people, and plants goes away forever.
It's a very limited resource.
Never leave your sink on, don't shower, and never use your toilet.

>> No.10986987

Water's not an actual problem for us untill we start the phase two of white genocide and empty our fresh water reserves to send in in African deserts.

>> No.10986992

>>10986982
what?! you mean the astronauts discharge affected us on Earth? Those fucks!

>> No.10987065

>>10986992
>pump the fuck out of groundwater
>dig deeper
>keep pumping
>groundwater depletes
>No more groundwater
>formerly habitable areas become inhospitable wasteland

It's happening as we speak. Arizona, soon California and Texas. Plenty of third world countries, obviously, particularly India. It already happened to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.mensjournal.com/features/who-stole-the-water-20140623

>> No.10987083

>>10987065
do you mean to tell me that used water turns into nothing? holy shit we gotta tell someone!

>> No.10987084
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10987084

>>10986689
>vegans not welcome
Fuck vegans, but fuck anyone who tries to make this their fucking safe-space even more.

>> No.10987107

>>10987083
No, I'm telling you "used" water takes time to become "usable" again. Time during which you experience drought and community collapse.

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>>10987107

>> No.10987138

>>10987084
Stay mad redditor

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>>10987138
>not wanting a safe space
>redditor
could you possibly be grasping at straws more?

>> No.10987160

>>10987157
Cry more

>> No.10987163

>>10987160
>c-cry more
I don't have to, you're the one never getting your safe space

>> No.10987165

>>10987083
Tell me. Have you ever heard of salt? This is just the beginning. There's so much more to teach you, and I have neither the will nor the time. Please do some research.

>> No.10987175

>>10987163
Stay mad redditor

>> No.10987177

>>10987175
>>10987157

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>>10987165

>> No.10987186

>>10987177
Cry more

>> No.10987207

>>10987186
>>10987163

>> No.10987274

>>10986849
>California
>literally buys electricity/water from mexico

>> No.10987280

>>10986645
the usa is third world

>> No.10987290

>>10987274
And?
Also, avocados have nothing on livestock for water consumption

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>>10987280
>the usa is third world

If Trump was a eurofag and visited middle america, he'd think the entire US is a "shithole" too.

>> No.10987305

>>10987290
>Also, avocados have nothing on livestock for water consumption
Avocados are far worse in terms of nutrition per unit water. Yeah, it takes a lot more water to raise a cow than to grow an avocado. But the cow decimates the avocado in the nutrition department.

>> No.10987324

>>10986689
>the earth is overpopulated anyway!
It unironically is though.

>> No.10987430

>>10987305
It doesnt actually. If you take into account the water it also takes to raise the food it takes to grow a cow as well, almost all plants give a bigger yield, even nutritionally, versus meat

>> No.10987440

>>10987430
>almost all plants give a bigger yield, even nutritionally, versus meat
Utter nonsense once again. "Most plants" aren't even digestible by human beings. They have zero yield as far as human nutrition is concerned because we cannot digest cellulose. Did you mean "crops" instead of "plants"? If so, now you're making sense. Most crops do indeed use less water than an avocado.

>> No.10987472

>>10987440
Now you're just being pedantic because you know you're wrong. Raising meat is incredibly expensive. Raising vegetables is incredibly cheap. Even almonds have a higher nutritional yield than beef

>> No.10987487

>>10987472
>Now you're just being pedantic because you know you're wrong.
I think you are misunderstanding me. I was talking about avocados specifically, not making a general statement about veggies.

>> Raising meat is incredibly expensive.
I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that Avocados are too.

>>Raising vegetables is incredibly cheap.
Shitty ones, yeah. Good veggies aren't exactly 'cheap'. But cheaper than meat? Sure, no denying that.

>> No.10987489

>>10987472
You have no idea how agriculture works to you?

>> No.10987492 [DELETED] 

>>10987472

Yes. This is exactly the retard vegan misinformation that /ck/ is so well known for.

Any retard getting their nutritional information form 4chan deserves to be a fucking vegan and live an malnourished life.

>> No.10987505

ITT: everyone intentionally misrepresents the other person's point of view for entertainment value

The worst offenders are always the carnists though

>> No.10987567

>>10987505
You just proved yourself wrong in the same post.

>> No.10987602

>>10987505
triggered obnoxious vegan

>> No.10987607

Who gives a shit about drought. Worst comes to worst the west can use technology to produce enough food to feed their population. Brown people in 3rd world shitholes could do with a 90% population decrease anyway.

>> No.10987614

>>10987607
>Brown people could do with a 90% population decrease anyway.
fixd

>> No.10987616 [DELETED] 

>>10987492
>Any retard getting their nutritional information form 4chan deserves to be a fucking vegan and live an malnourished life.

Can we just round up the fucking vegans and stick them in /pol/ or some shit? Fucking vegan evangelism is obnoxious as fuck

>> No.10987622

>>10987181
Dumb. Kill yourself

>> No.10987623

>>10987616
no need, soon they'll be gone ingesting those monsanto abomination

>> No.10987651

>>10987489
I know 70% of the land used for it goes towards livestock
>>10987492
What did I say that was wrong? I disproved the almond bullshit when everyone was screaming about them during the drought but conveniently ignoring the meat and dairy business

>> No.10987659

>>10987651
We are not going to be growing food crops on pasture land it cant support it. And due to global warming that sort of land is increasing its area.

>> No.10987777

>>10987607
I think you underestimate how much boomers crippled ourselves with laws and human rights conventions that we can't even protect our own countries from the brown hordes.

>> No.10987856

>>10987083
Dude, the earth is like 70% water. get out of here with your crazy conspiracies

>> No.10988275

>>10986972
Some of it does, for at least longer than humans will be around

Lots more ends up unfeasible to use, such as animal sewage as corn fed cow shit is unusable as manure

>> No.10988289

>>10987489
Are you implying that polycultural farming goes on in any meaningful scale in the agri power countries?

>> No.10988416

>>10986787
I expected beef to be the worst but I didn't expect pigs to beat nuts

Loving them pulses though

>> No.10988469

>>10988289
Thats how I get 2/3 of my food here in the US. Lots of permaculture people in the area.

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>>10986645
memeacdo's

>> No.10988613

>>10988589
What's wrong with avocado?

>> No.10989350

>>10987659
Of course we arent. But were growing feed on decent land for livestock instead of people at an alarming ratio.

>> No.10989577

>>10988613
gross ass fucking exotic meme vegetable that people don't know what to actually do with

but it's vaguely ethnic so yuppies get all excited

>> No.10990021

>>10989577
guacamole can be pretty tasty but other than that avocados are pretty fucking bland. Don't really see the appeal when there's plenty of other healthy foods that taste good.

>> No.10990081

>>10987324
no its not. we produce enough food to feed 10 billion people. most of it goes to waste: half of all food produced in the united states is thrown away. mass desalination is feasible (google 'watermaker,' even a $1500 consumer kit can produce 21 gallons of fresh water per hour, just imagine what a multi-million dollar industrial scale facility could produce), and the entire world's population could fit in new zealand at the population density of manhattan.

>> No.10990114

So glad I live in a state where the government can’t pretend there’s a water crisis.

>> No.10990121

Why does water matter? You realize that water isn't lost?

>> No.10990832

>>10986935
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nzLDn1LbiwVe2TL4y4kiejuUQKpIx4Z3R5GHOguwvmo/edit#gid=0

Published by Institute of Mechanical Engineers. It's in metric units, but seems to give same or similar result to 500 gallons of water.

>> No.10990835

>>10990121
>Why does water matter? You realize that water isn't lost?
Being this dumb.

>> No.10990859

>>10990835
Just let him go out and drink seawater and pond scum until he learns.

>> No.10990897

>>10986787
>>10986935
>>10986783
Beans are the food of the future.

>> No.10991226

>>10986849
Remember that time the US literally stole a river from Mexico.

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>>10986645

>> No.10991575 [DELETED] 

>>10991226
So what? As long as we resist a wall being built on the border the Mexican drug cartels can continue to prosper and the nation's economy will be fine.

>> No.10992205

>>10988613

there's nothing wrong with avocado, but there's everything wrong with marketing it as a superfood

Have cancer? Eat avos
Want to suck chad's dick? Eat avos
Bad grades in school? Avo will fix that
Are you tired of watching the same show on netflix? Throw an avo at your TV

Avo literally fixes everything so it should be saturated in every food you eat

fuck avos

>> No.10992212

>>10986783
So is pork, I'm told.

>> No.10992217

Reminder that we don't have a water problem. The Earth is 70% water. We have a salt problem.

>> No.10992228

>>10987505
>carnist
This forced meme and tryhard insult just makes vegans look retarded. Is non-vegan just too neutral a term for these hipsters? Why must they demand the moral highground at every turn?

>> No.10992273

Serious question can someone explain to me what all the huff about foods produced in third world countries is all about?

like with avo's can't they buy extra water rights from neighboring countries or buy bottled water with all the extra cash they are racking in now?

Or like when Quinoa took off people were all "the growers can't afford quinoa now because we've inflated the cost. They have to export it" doesn't that mean they are making a shitload of money and can afford tons of other stuff to replace it in their diet?

unironically am I missing something? We seem to be lamenting third world countries for improving their agriculture industries.

>> No.10992301

>>10992273
>Have several hundred year old food culture
>Can no longer use one of your staples do to hipsters
>Just like, eat something else man
Also do you really think the average person is going to be seeing any of the money from exporting quinoa?

>> No.10992340

>>10992301
Ok. So moving from substance farming to cash crops is bad because they been stuck with that for a long time? Tons of other countries have made that transition. Usually they still get to eat the regional stuff sometimes if they want. but they just have more dietary options as well because they can affords them.

Also I would thing that yes they should be seeing the money. In places like Guatemala or whatever aren't most of the farmers small independent family owned plots? If they are saying they can't afford to eat it but they aren't seeing any money out of it either how does that make any sense?

>> No.10992354

>>10992273
>r buy bottled water with all the extra cash they are racking in now?
>can afford tons of other stuff to replace it in their diet?

Where do you propose a 3rd world farmer would go to buy these things? Do you think there are supermarkets and departments stores in the middle of bumbfuck, nowhere? Do you think they have UPS and FedEx delivery out there? Lolno.

and for that matter: do you think that Juan the farmer is getting paid anywhere close to what the hipster megamart is charging for Quinoa?

>>10992340
>If they are saying they can't afford to eat it but they aren't seeing any money out of it either how does that make any sense?
It's the people later in the supply chain who are making the money. You can easily see this yourself, just compare bulk prices on the product to whatever Whole Foods is charging for it and you'll see where the money is being made.

>> No.10992391

>>10992354
if people down the line are the ones making the money then how is it that Juan the farmer can't afford not to sell it anymore? if he isn't enjoying an increase of profit then why does he feel forced to sell? that doesn't add up.

also if he can't access purchasable water then wouldn't he simply ration his own water source? that a pretty basic farming principal, especially for independent farmers. Who's going to die of dehydration because "avo's are just too damn valuable so I guess we;re not drinking this month".

I am not doubting that the situations get worse for them. I just don't get how. There's some factor I am unaware of.

>> No.10992431

>>10992391
like, who is forcing these independent subsistence farmers to sell all their food at below market value? regional strongmen? bankers? Does big aggro have some sort of leverage over them that they can tell them to sell literally all their food?

>> No.10992455

>>10992391
>how is it that Juan the farmer can't afford not to sell it anymore?
What else do you think Juan the farmer is going to do? He doesn't have an education beyond farming. He doesn't have any opportunities beyond farming.

>> then wouldn't he simply ration his own water source?
I'm sure he'd try. But doesn't do you much good when other people are pumping the land dry, and/or diverting fresh water sources upstream.

>> No.10992472

>>10992431
>who is forcing these independent subsistence farmers to sell all their food at below market value?
the supply chain.
Juan the farmer would love to sell Qinoua at Whole Foods prices, but how can he? Nobody local to him is willing to pay that kind of crazy money for it, and he doesn't have the infrastructure to access the global market. So, like just about any other commodity, he sells to middlemen who DO have the means to access a larger market and it goes from there. this is how business works. All business. Everywhere. I can walk into a fancy market and get cheese that costs $40/lb, but do you think the farmer in some tiny Swiss village who made that cheese is getting paid anywhere near $40/lb for it?

>> No.10992505

>>10990897
Enjoy your kidney stones, bloating and discomfort faggot

>> No.10992562

>>10992505
>my body is so fucked up from processed foods I can no longer eat a high fiber, high plant diet

You can reverse it, its not too late.

>> No.10992672

>>10992472
>>10992455

>He doesn't have any opportunities beyond farming.

Ok. everyone knows that, I don't think you are understanding the part that I am confused about.

Why doe he have to SELL it? These farmers are unable to eat their own produce that they grew themselves because the market value is so high. If this system isn't working can't Jaun just focus on being a subsistence farmer like he was before the value of these crops went up?

Juan is a subsistence farmer. the price of his produce goes up internationally. So Juan sells the produce. Somehow Juan is worse off than before, maybe not getting his fair cut. And for some mystery reason Juan can't go back to subsistence farming, or even partially return to it, only selling his surplus. Why?

>> No.10992682

>>10992562
not previous poster but how?
I eat beans all the time and I am the fartiest mf I know

>> No.10992690

>>10992672
>Jaun just focus on being a subsistence farmer like he was before the value of these crops went up?
No. The increased trade has raised local prices of goods and services that farmer Juan needs. He can't pay for what little goods (fuel, food, farming supplies, etc.) he needs because their prices have increased.

>> No.10992697

>>10987084
To be fair, vegan(s) stir up up 80% of the shitposting and shit threads here. It's a quality issue, not an issue of opinion

>> No.10992707

>>10992690

If prices have increased that would imply that there is more money coming into the system so he must be getting paid more for his crops. And If the local prices are exceeding the the new surplus of money coming in then it should self-stabilize. Local businesses cannot charge what people can't afford indefinitely, they'd go out of business.

>> No.10992724

>>10992707
and if it doesn't self-adjust then that's not western consumers who are at fault. that would be the fault of local business owners who are being greedy cunts.

If you put an extra pie on the table and people aren't sharing it you don't blame the person who gave your table more pie.

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>>10986783
Pretty much. Considering how calorie dense it is, as well as being a complete protein, it pretty impressive how little water it uses.

>> No.10992734

>>10992707
>so he must be getting paid more for his crops.
He is. He's just not getting a very large increase.

>that's not western consumers who are at fault. that would be the fault of local business owners who are being greedy cunts.
Nobody is denying that. But the fundamental root of all of it is increased demand outside Farmer Juan's local area. Doesn't matter if it's 100 miles away or 5000.

>> No.10992750

>>10992733
>muh protein!!!
Autism

>as well as being a complete protein
Like every food on the fucking planet, shithead? Not even /fit/ believes in that retarded complete protein shit anymore

>> No.10992773

>>10988275
Corn fed cow manure works fine as manure. It just smells worse. Where the fuck do you get this, ahem, bullshit?

>> No.10992787

>>10992773
Mercola

>> No.10992791

>>10986733
>per pound
>you only need like 100g of meat a day vs a kilo of vegetables
>without counting most vegies requires oil and other condensed processed food to be eaten, while a good steak only need a pinch of salt.
And don't even pretend you don't waste that pasta water in the sink nigger

>> No.10992794

>>10990081
Yeah, that malthusian train is dead. So they've hopped on over to global coo- I mean global war- I mean climate change.
Give your money to developing nation's so they can build unregulated factories, so your highly regulated factories are shuttered and damage the white coun- I mean, save the planet!

>> No.10992806

>>10992733
>corn
>water efficient
This is a lie.

>> No.10992811

>>10992750
Wow, facts sure get you triggered. Essential amino acids are a requirement for your body to function properly, hence the name, and complete protein is the best way to get them all in large amounts. That's objective scientific fact.
There's vegetables and grains with completely protein, though rare. So unbunch your panties.

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>>10987065
>It's happening as we speak. Arizona, soon California and Texas. Plenty of third world countries, obviously, particularly India. It already happened to Saudi Arabia.

And nobody reasonable cares. It's called don't build mega-cities in the middle of the fucking desert.

Water is still so cheap that it has no effect on human population, at all. It sucks to get $400 water bills if you live in Scottsdale and have a pool, but it's not life threatening, and things probably will not change in any significant manner until lack of water is more than a liberal NIMBY lawn maintenance concern.

>> No.10992845

>>10992812
>It's called don't build mega-cities in the middle of the fucking desert.
US is fucking huge. Why would you want to live in a fucking desert?

>> No.10992868

>>10992845
Because water used to be cheap there, until the farming and population growth made it not. See California and Arizona as examples.

My point is - humans (especially 3rd world) are going to breed until the environment kills them, and then breed some more. Nobody is not having children because water is expensive. Resource scarcity barely effects human reproductive behavior at all, and there are plenty of places where fresh water is literally free and not utilized. If you live in california and have high water bills and constant wildfires, don't fucking live there.

>> No.10992869

>>10992845
I never understood this. SoCal, all the way up to fucking Oregon is bone dry and looks like a hideous barren wasteland. Who'd want to live there? I need my lush greenery. Washington state best state.

>> No.10992919

>>10992806
You are aware that large desert dwelling societies relied on corn as a staple crop for centuries, right?

>> No.10992930

>>10992868
Highly developed service based economies quickly slow reproduction rate.
Stop giving aid to the third world and stop letting in the savage hordes that have ten kids each and you're set.

>> No.10992933

This food trend shit is wrecking whole communities in 3rd worlds, just so that some filthy jew can fill their pockets, leaving devastated land behind them, until the next soytrend emerges, causing another flood of mass deforesting of millions of hectares. I'm mad

>> No.10992961

>>10986689
>>10986645
>only vegans eat avocado/almonds/other non-aminal food that requires more than average water or land to produce
yeah no that's not true. if you truly care about water, don't eat animals.

>> No.10993104

>>10986787
What is the source on that? I wanna use it against vegans.

>> No.10993757

>>10986787
See
>>10990832

>> No.10993809

>>10992811
Wow. Facts sure get you talking like a castrated homo.

>and complete protein is the best way to get them
You’re fucking retarded. “Complete protein” is nothing unique, EVERYTHING is a complete protein like I said you illiterate shithead. Everything has different ratios you retarded soccer mom. This is 4th grade level shit

>> No.10993813

>20 year old boomers thinking water will run out

>> No.10993816

>>10989577
>>10990021
You guys are fuckin idiots. I eat avocados like bananas. I just peel the skin with my nails. Objectively a delicious morsel with no guilt like grease filled fast food.

>> No.10994566

>>10993816
be vary of the fat content in avocados tho

>> No.10994655

>>10992733
That’s interesting that eggs require more water per calorie than chickens...can someone explain to a brainet like me how that works?

>> No.10994659

>>10986645
I don't give a shit about the third world.

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>>10992682
Same, but only when I consume beans that I prepped from a dry source. People may then say, oh but you didn't soak the beans long enough!! FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER I SOAKED THOSE BEANS FOR DAYS

>> No.10994712

>>10987083
>he doesn't realize that the U.S. is less than 30 years away from the dust bowl 2.0 no water edition
>he doesn't know that the midwest is sucking those aquifers bone dry all in the name of corn subsidies and the insatiable appetites of obese americans
the next major war will be triggered by water rights if a solution isn't found soon

>> No.10994774

>>10990021
the meme is because of vegans. if you're not eating meat and constantly hungry, avocado is a decent substitute. tons of calories but still not eating bambi.

>>10992930
basically.

>> No.10994776

>>10986733
how about almonds?

and how about gallon per 100 cal?

>> No.10994793

>>10987274
no

>> No.10994827

>>10994655
Lifespan of a few weeks vs a year for an egg-laying hen.

>> No.10996020

>>10994776
See
>>10992733

>> No.10996027

>>10986645
Mexico isn't a third world country. They just pretend to be so they can send their poor to America instead of paying for social services. Inb4 cartels don't make them third world.

>> No.10996031

>>10986733
What about veal that is fresh out the womb. If you don't give them any water does it count as a waterless food item?

>> No.10996184

>>10994688
Do you change the water when you soak? Because thats how you reduce the fartyness. Not just soaking.

>> No.10996189

>>10993813
Ground water aquifers absolutely will.

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>> No.10996631

>>10993757
Literally nothing was contradicted

>> No.10996789

>>10986645
People dying of thirst in these countries are just stupid. Just migrate to the ocean and drink unlimited water?? Lmao how do you die from lack of water on a planet made of like 70% water hahaha