/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10983980]

should I be drinking cow milk? do you drink cow milk?

[Anonymous No.10983985]

>>10983980
If you like estrogen, yes.

[Anonymous No.10983999]

drink semen

[Anonymous No.10984002]

>>10983980
skim milk +aspartame = heaven.

[Anonymous No.10984060]

>>10983980
Goat milk is far better, drink that.

[Anonymous No.10984132]

>>10983980
>great ice cold with cereal, cookies
>fat components make it great for cooling the roof of the mouth down
>good source of Vitamin B12
>great protein bioavailability
>combined with chocolate syrup for carbs, is god tier recovery drink for athletes recommended by scientists
>can be churned into butter, an essential component of French cuisine
>can be made into many different types of cream
>always available in the store
Why is milk the most based beverage/ingredient? Take the milkpill.

[Anonymous No.10984146]

>>10984132
Soyboys can't handle the power of real milk.

[Anonymous No.10984148]

I don't drink it by itself.
Just in coffee, protein drinks and with oats/cerial

[Anonymous No.10984149]

>>10984132
Take the milkpill, or just hormonal blockers
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11601881/?i=2&from=/16125328/related

[Anonymous No.10984158]

>>10984146
Based MAGAPEDES triggering lib-
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14729019/?i=3&from=/16125328/related

[Anonymous No.10984160]

>>10984149
not conclusive, those papers are just public calls for research

[Anonymous No.10984166]

>>10984158
>>10984149
>medical hypothesis journal
Not a reputable source of information, it's just some MD hazarding a guess on personal experience

[Anonymous No.10984176]

>>10984160
>We hypothesize that milk is responsible, at least in part, for some male reproductive disorders.

Be a good little goy and drink up! It’s not conclusive after all!

Almost every single paper says to research more. It doesn’t mean their findings are irrelevant

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

[Anonymous No.10984182]

>>10984176
>goy
Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10984187]

>>10984166
>this pathetic damage control

>my lack of inference is superior!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12861831/?i=3&from=/14729019/related

[Anonymous No.10984194]

>>10984182
Why are dairy fairies so emotional and incapable of arguing with reason and evidence? The estrogen they guzzle?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19496976/

[Anonymous No.10984204]

>>10984166
Most of the arguments made against soy were just the ramblings of some new-age herbalist, but you'll eat that shit up like it's cold hard fact.

[Ancap Alice !C0cKMAD6z. No.10984205]

>>10984149
is this yank milk?
i hope if we have to do trade deals the milk is clearly marked as from the usa

[Anonymous No.10984207]

>>10984149
>>10984158
>>10984176
>>10984187
>>10984194
Why do you act like everyone is a third world American?

[Anonymous No.10984209]

God, vegans are insufferable.

[Anonymous No.10984211]

>>10983980
I like milk. It's used in lots of recipes. It helps my insides from burning to a crisp.

[Anonymous No.10984210]

>>10983980
I haven't drank any kind of milk for years. I don't find it tasty at all. I'd rather just water.

[Anonymous No.10984212]

I prefer car milk

[Anonymous No.10984217]

>>10984205
>>10984207
Why do dairy fairies resort to complete strawmen? Feminine emotional brains from drinking milk? Those links are from studies around the world

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17704029/?i=4&from=/14729019/related

[Ancap Alice !C0cKMAD6z. No.10984220]

>>10984194
is it because your dairy industry pumps your cows full of hormones?

>>10984207
this is just a american thing right?
real first world countries have food safety laws

>>10984217
have yet to see you post a british study

[Anonymous No.10984227]

>>10984220
>he thinks pregnant cows that are constantly artificially inseminated have absolutely zero estrogen
>he hasn’t read a single actual bit of any study
Lol dairy fairies

>>10984217
I wonder what’s in milk that could be a risk? Estrogen perhaps?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17786930/?i=6&from=/14729019/related

[Anonymous No.10984229]

>>10984217
>c-c-c-cancer!!!

Damn you are retarded.

>>10984220
Yeah this only affects factory farms. Don't buy cheap milk in your supermarket.

[Anonymous No.10984235]

>>10983980
huh?

[Ancap Alice !C0cKMAD6z. No.10984240]

>>10984227
>>>he thinks pregnant cows that are constantly artificially inseminated have absolutely zero estrogen
lol
what is this strawman bullshit?

>>10984229
>factory farms
i hear they use excessive quantities of steroids

[Ancap Alice !C0cKMAD6z. No.10984250]

>>10984229
>your supermarket
yank supermarket?

where is the study with numbers for the uk?

[Anonymous No.10984264]

>>10984250
For UK? You should be fine. A lot of UK cows are in open fields and grass fed.

[Anonymous No.10984265]

>>10983980
baiting because...
>"HURRR THE HUMAN IS THE ONLY ANIMAL THAT DRINKS MILK AS ADULT"
We also have opposable thumbs and can make complex tools, so what
>enjoy strogen
you can buy decent milk instead of chinese walmart milk
>SUGAR IS POISON
just for the keto and paleo sectarians
it's not fucking bad, it's just bad if you are in a hipocaloric diet because it's a lot of protein and fat and easily digested

[Anonymous No.10984268]

>>10984229
>m-m-m-milk is good guys, h-ha c-cancer!!!
Must be the hormones kicking in again

>estrogen from a pregnant cow only comes from commercial farms
>proceeds to post ZERO evidence
Damn! You’re retarded!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19950719/?i=3&from=/19496976/related

Obviously hormone treated cows will have more, “traditional” doesnt make you immune

>>10984204
This

[Anonymous No.10984274]

>>10984240
>lol what is this strawman
You don’t even know what strawman means. What you quoted is literally directly refuting your argument. Meanwhile you’ve yet to post anything to support any claim. Screaming “muh UK!!!l is not an argument

[Anonymous No.10984278]

>>10984268
being that insecure with your dick size

maybe wherever you live you can get a free dick enlargement after a psychiatrist determine you have a crippling inferiority complex

[Anonymous No.10984280]

>>10984268
Stop breathing RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE INHALING CANCER FUMES!

>The content of estrogen and progesterone in commercial milk in Chinese market detected might be higher than that in traditional milk.
>Chinese market

Kek

[Anonymous No.10984296]

>>10984280
I think you should lay off the milk. You’re getting very emotional and unreasonable

[Anonymous No.10984301]

>>10984280
seriously, the chinks saw the one kid for family was hard to enforce, they decided to drop all food safety standards so there's less chinklets

[Anonymous No.10984314]

>>10984296
Lay off the soy. You're sounding like a woman.

[Anonymous No.10984322]

>>10983985
>>10984132
>>combined with chocolate syrup
the first ingredient listed on the choc shyrup mum buys is high fructose corn syrup

[Anonymous No.10984333]

>>10984314
>no you!!

Lol. Dairy fairies are funny

>>10984301
Boy you must have a lot of evidence especially since it even says the traditional milk is filled with estrogen?


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/
I THINK I know why you “guys” are so irrational right now. The estrogen in dairy!!!

[Anonymous No.10984334]

>>10984322
>falling for the HFCS is inherently bad meme
You need carbs after exercise to recover.

[Anonymous No.10984347]

>>10984333
no stfu about strogen
chinks use melamine to cheat the protein count in milk, also contamination cause the milk to be full of acrylamides, known cancerigen

[Anonymous No.10984368]

>>10984347
>he whines about estrogen’s risk factor then talks about acrylamides

Literally turning into a soccer mom from the milk you drink

[Anonymous No.10984374]

>>10984333
You're entire diet is founded on emotion yet you call other people emotional. Ironic truly.

>this estrogen meme
>still won't accept there are far more factors that affect the presence of estrogen in milk than it naturally occurs

I don't even want to bother anymore. You don't take into account the difference in soils, rearing and diets of cattle and just assume one research paper from one region in the world is enough to base your entire hypothesis on. Keep living in your echo chamber you've created and stick to vegan forums. I'll stay drinking my milk just like all of my ancestors before me did.

[Anonymous No.10984379]

i only drink malk-adjecent product

[Anonymous No.10984386]

>>10984149
>>10984158
>>10984176
>>10984187
>>10984194
>>10984217
>>10984227
>>10984229
>>10984240
>>10984265
>>10984268
>>10984280
>>10984296
>>10984333
>>10984347
>>10984368
>>10984374
>he doesn't feed his GF estrogen filled milk so her titties get massive
Never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.10984399]

>>10984374
>Ctrl F: Argument

>Zero results found

Triggered dairy fairy

[Anonymous No.10984406]

>>10984368
in china
what do i care outside mad max chinkland?

[Anonymous No.10984418]

>>10984406
Are you still moaning while providing not a single substantial argument? Yikes

[Anonymous No.10984442]

bGH and IGF-1 are not the only hormones making people fearful of milk. A lot of the milk that we drink comes from pregnant cows and as with humans, this means that the levels of circulating estrogens are higher than normal. Since that which happens in the blood is usually mirrored in the milk – in cows as in humans – the milk of cows pregnant in the third trimester contains as much as twenty times as much estrogen found in milk from non-pregnant cows. But as you might have caught on to at this point “twenty times as much” doesn’t mean anything in itself.

A new study in mice [16] tested whether the amount of estrogens found in regular dairy milk from pregnant cows had any effect on the circulating levels of estrogens and the genitals of the mice.

It didn’t.

After that, the mice were given 100 times as much estrogen as they had found in the milk samples with the highest amount of estrogen. Again, nothing happened.

Only when the amount of estrogen reached 1000 times the amount found in milk, it became possible to detect effects on the blood and genitals. This observation is really no mystery: estrogens are steroid hormones and they are, by and large, all broken down during first-pass metabolism in the liver [17] – until the concentrations overwhelm this system.

Everything that we absorb across the gastrointestinal membrane is transported directly to the liver through the portal vein system before it enters the general circulation. The liver in this effect is our “detox-organ” ensuring that we are not exposed to substances that could hurt us.

That the liver is so effective at metabolizing steroid hormones is also the primary reason that bodybuilders usually have to inject steroids instead of ingesting them. If they do ingest them it is because the steroids have been chemically modified to be able to resist the passage through the intestines and liver, which is also the reason why ingestible steroids can have a toxic effect on the liver [18].

[Anonymous No.10984457]

>>10984442
All these myths about hormones in cow’s milk are designed to make you believe that milk causes cancer. And that is really the real question we want answered – not whether certain hormones could theoretically raise our risk of cancer.

If there was any strong evidence that milk raised the risk of cancer in general, it would be listed at the top of every article on the internet trying to persuade you or scare from drinking milk. You would see meta analyses of studies on milk that showed a clear connection between milk and cancer.

But that is not what you see.

Instead you see that one study that detected a correlation (and not all the ones that didn’t) along with a lot of cell- and animal studies that in no way proves a connection, but instead uses circumstantial evidence to imply a connection that we could actually just study directly.

[Anonymous No.10984464]

>>10984442
>>10984457
TL;DR

Don't drink 100 litres of milk everyday and you'll be fine.

Just more fear mongering like 95% of dietary research.

Also, everything gives you cancer.

[Anonymous No.10984470]

>>10984442
>>10984457
Thanks bro. Gonna keep drinking my cow juice in the morning now.

[Anonymous No.10984475]

>>10983980
>should i be drinking cow milk
Absolutely no - none, zero - experimental research (as in research done using experiments, literally the only kind that actually proves anything) has shown that there are any negative health effects associated with drinking any kind of milk, unless you're allergic or intolerant of the ingredients.

Go, and be free with this knowledge. Also, just so everyone knows, the experimentally proven best diet for overall health (barring any kind of special needs due to individual medical condition or genetic arrangement) is a mediterranean diet, which includes all kinds of animal products. After that, it's lacto-ovum vegentarianism (as in, milk and eggs), and then balanced diets that are calories restricted. The only diets that veganism are healthier than are eating like complete dogshit.

You should only be a vegan if you have some kind of moral imperative to not eat animals. In which case, I would also recommend that you stop using your smartphone that was produced in a factory with working conditions so terrible they have to install anti-suicide fences and nets on the buildings because so many people are trying to kill themselves. You should also stop using plastic products of any kind, which is virtually 100% of everything you use.

[Anonymous No.10984480]

Milk is useful in a lot of things, doesnt taste good enough to just straight up drink though.

[Anonymous No.10984481]

>>10984464
>>10984470
>look at these studies on rats and not controlled ones involving humans!
>estrogen totally just passes through our liver and IGF1 is not a big deal, who cares if it is? Just look at soy

What a bunch of fraudster pieces of shit lmao

[Anonymous No.10984487]

>>10984475
Yep, absolutely nothing to see go- guys

Shut up and drink up!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19232475/

[Anonymous No.10984503]

>>10984481

Damn...so this is coping.

[Anonymous No.10984510]

>>10984487
>read through the study
>absolutely no experiments done on live-subjects
Like I said, literally no experimental research has proven anything.

When the experimental research proves a causative link between consuming milk and negative health effects, I'll stop drinking it. As long as it's "we hypothesize", I'll keep my milk in my cereal, thanks.

[Anonymous No.10984521]

>>10984503
You can ad hominem all you want. I’m not a mouse and when controlled studies about the estrogenic effects of estrogen on humans directly contradicts that of mice. I’d probably take the one involving humans. Especially when the argument that estrogen has no effect is simply a reference of the liver as a detoxifier. But hey, if I had boobs I’d want to play with them, more power to you. Just don’t spread blatant disinformation :)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19496976/

[Anonymous No.10984543]

>>10984146
Mfw milk drinkers say this, yet dairy milk has estrogen while my almond milk has zero soy, twice as much calcium and vitamins, and tastes infinitely better

[Anonymous No.10984550]

>>10984209
lmao why are meat eaters so salty

[Anonymous No.10984581]

>>10984510
Yeah literally nothing bro
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19496976

Do you know what a meta-analysis is?

[Anonymous No.10984594]

for me, it's car milk or no milk

[Anonymous No.10984599]

>>10983980
Yes I do, and so should you. Yummy

[Anonymous No.10984607]

>>10984581
Reposting since spam filter is retarded
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12861831/?i=3&from=/14729019/related

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19496976/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524299/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17704029/?i=4&from=/14729019/related

Like do you actually believe there’s literally nothing? You can find studies about the carcinogenesis properties of avocados, besides the point you’re clearly disingenuous

[Anonymous No.10984631]

Scientifically, it is mad fucked up that we drink the milk of another animal. Scientifically.

[Anonymous No.10984632]

>>10983980
I don't. Soy and almond milk is so much better anyway.

[Anonymous No.10984699]

>>10984166
BASED Layman refutation of peer reviewed science.

[Anonymous No.10984888]

>>10984699
Not all journals are peer reviewed

[Anonymous No.10985035]

>>10984607
made me think
if i want to know if this is true, will i notice effects if i stop drinking milk?

[Anonymous No.10985052]

>>10985035
Depends on how much milk you drink as is, effects are more gradual than anything both pro and anti

[Anonymous No.10985070]

>>10984442
>>10984457
NUT DRINKERS BTFO

[Anonymous No.10985082]

>>10985070
Yeah, those cherry picked studies on mice sure showed me

[Anonymous No.10985092]

>>10983980
There was a kid in high school that hadnd drank any milk and didn’t getny of the references.
He thought Heath Montonwas a chac them dmae frthe muicvideo. Fuck I hateglthay id.

[Anonymous No.10985111]

>>10983980
i eat some cheese, a little yoghurt and sour cream but i dont drink fresh milk, no

[Anonymous No.10985133]

>>10985111