/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10956411]

How the FUCK do I make keto fun?
Shit works for me and Im losing weight with huge temps, but im craving a huge bowl of spaghetti or a cheeky snickers all the time, I feel like im gonna neck myself if i continue stuffing my face with the same greasy meals.
Give me your favorite keto meals, /ck/

[Anonymous No.10956422]

>>10956411
>Japan is one of the thinnest nations in the world
>Even if you factor in its slight uptick in obesity after Westernization really ramped up after ww2 its still overhwhelmingly thinner than America
>eats carbs, including bad ones, from morning til night

ketofags btfo

[Anonymous No.10956438]

>>10956422
okay

[Anonymous No.10956461]

>>10956422
>ketofags btfo
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20040426/diabetes-rates-worldwide#1
Japan is in the top ten of diabetes cases.
ketofags btfo indeed...

[Anonymous No.10956469]

>>10956422
>Estrogen based rice men don’t need fats or protein
Shocking

[Anonymous No.10956490]

>>10956438
>>10956461
>>10956469
>I have absolutely no self control whatsoever and have to do drastic fad diets that are essentially socially acceptable cults in order to lose weight/gain muslce/otherwise meet my fitness goals

I feel sorry for you desu

[Anonymous No.10956495]

go watch keto connect on youtube the bitch on there gave me curry fever i have been fucking random indian bitches for the past year now...

[Anonymous No.10956505]

>>10956495
>bags under eyes
>skeleton
>no dsls
>has a soyboy boyfriend who always looks like he's on the verge of passing out

[Anonymous No.10956515]

>>10956461
>Part of the reason for the sharp increase of diabetes in Japan is the increasing proportion of the population that is over 60, an age when Type 2 diabetes becomes more prevalent.

Dunno if it's true or not. But obviously being thin does not mean healthy, which isn't a good thing for keto dieters either.

There was a recent discovery of hunter-gatherers making bread from wild grains, so there doesn't seem to be much basis in the science of evolution of low carb diets. Even for hunter-gatherers who didn't eat bread, a lot of them ate and still some today eat pretty large amounts of honey every day.

As long as you stick to unrefined carbs and don't overeat, you'll probably be fine. Unrefined carbs are much more filling, especially if you make them with stock or milk instead of just water. White flour and water breads are not filling at all, but a whole wheat bread made with milk is a lot heavier and you won't eat nearly as many carbs before you're full from it.

[Anonymous No.10956517]

ancestral diet is the only real diet for man

[Anonymous No.10956539]

>>10956515
>>Part of the reason for the sharp increase of diabetes in Japan is the increasing proportion of the population that is over 60, an age when Type 2 diabetes becomes more prevalent.
This coupled with the rising growth of fast food popularity in Japan explains it pretty well.

People really underestimate how much the Western diet has raped global cuisine in the last few years

[Anonymous No.10956556]

>>10956411
Keto is retarded but it doesn't mean you can't have a snickers bar if you want. 28g per, so you can have probably half of one if the rest of your day is under 6g.

[Anonymous No.10956566]

>>10956411
>America was literally built on carbs
>Soldiers diets were moderate-high carb
>During the Depression people survived on cheap carbs
>Obesity didn't start going up until the 70s and 80s and didn't get particularly bad until the early 2000s
>This obviously shows that its a lack of activity and cultural shift towards laziness that has led to the obesity, along with corporations literally conspiring to put fat, salt, and soy into everything to keep it cheap and addictive
>ketofags blame carbs because they don't want to eat less dairy and egg products and actually enjoy the taste of non-lean meat

[Anonymous No.10957169]

The state if /ck/

[Anonymous No.10957200]

>>10956422
Ketofags BTFO. Mantit soyboys triggered by this post. Get fucked chair jockeys

[Anonymous No.10957223]

>>10957169
Fuck off phone poster

[Anonymous No.10957752]

>>10956566
The amount of processed carbs being consumed has increased significantly. Pop, candy, chips, etc.
It's also available on a scale never before seen. You're stupid.

[Anonymous No.10957836]

>>10956490
t. skinnyfat who thinks he is in shape

[Anonymous No.10957839]

>>10956411
is that the next greatest comedian Brayden Schlub?

[Anonymous No.10957858]

>>10956411
Peaches are a beast

[Anonymous No.10957867]

Instead of doing some meme diet like keto I just cut grains and all forms of caloric drink. Lost 14lbs in the last 24 days.

[Anonymous No.10958175]

>>10957867
>stopped drinking beer and alcohol in general
>only drink water and green tea
>dont eat any sugar (not even fruit)
>eat mainly vegetables eggs and meat
>STILL not losing weight
what the fuck do I really eat that much food?

[Anonymous No.10958235]

>>10957867
you're not fooling anybody you ketofag lardass

[Anonymous No.10958246]

>>10956411
Sorry lad there's already an eating disorder thread up

[Anonymous No.10958255]

It's a diet, it's not meant to be fun. If you want spaghetti use shirataki or zucchini noodles and if you want a Snickers bar get some sugar free chocolate and eat some peanuts.

[Anonymous No.10958262]

Why is everyone so hostile towards keto now? We all know it's a meme diet, why waste your time coming to these threads and crying about it.

[Anonymous No.10958267]

>>10958262
>Why is everyone so hostile towards keto now? We all know it's a meme diet, why waste your time coming to these threads and crying about it.

[Anonymous No.10958268]

>>10956411
I did keto once for 5 weeks, and it simply wasn't fun.

I think 2 weeks in, eating was like fueling a tank. It wasn't an experience, just something that had to be done. And I'm not saying that that was a bad feeling.

[Anonymous No.10958277]

>>10958175
>>eat mainly vegetables eggs and meat
> mainly

What are you hiding from yourself?

[Anonymous No.10958282]

>>10958267

[Anonymous No.10958319]

>>10958262
Because /ck/'s culture is on its death bed. People can only get their kicks from critiquing and dissolving ideas. Shitposting is rampant and content creation at an all time low. The spirit of this board is lost. As an outsider I personally have no stake in keeping it alive, but it pains me to see it go regardless. If you are an insider, then perhaps you have the spirit within you to hold back the night

[Anonymous No.10958335]

>>10958319
>getting this fucking butthurt we made fun of your shitty meme diet cult
Ketofags are the furfags of cuisine prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.10958359]

>>10958319
>>10958335
Exhibit A

[Anonymous No.10958364]

>>10958359

[Anonymous No.10958373]

>>10958319
>As an outsider
so you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. got it

[Anonymous No.10958381]

>>10958373
I bet you listen to foreign comedians to learn about American politics

[Anonymous No.10958388]

>>10958381
I bet you listen to foreign men fuck your wife

[Anonymous No.10958395]

>>10958175
you dont lose weight overnight mate
14lbs in 24 days is very low kcal mode (probably under 1k)

i stick to lean meat, fish (salmon)
cheese, quark (flavoured, it's like 3g/100g of sugar)
lentils, chickpeas, onions, bell peppers, tomatoes, broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower

you can eat tons of shit and not go over 50g of carbs a day with a high volume 1000-1500kcal diet

[Anonymous No.10958472]

>>10956411

4 Large mushrooms (White cap or portobello)
4 rashers bacon
4 cloves garlic (minced)
1 red onion ( finely diced)
grated mature cheddar cheese (g varies dependent on diet)
salt / pepper
paprika / favourite spices
fresh parsley to garnish

pre-heated oven 200C (390F)

>de stalk mushrooms, scoop out gills with a spoon (for more filling)
>dice the stalks and prepare onion, garlic
>fry bacon until desired, then set aside and finely dice
>sautee stalks, onion, garlic in the bacon grease; season
>turn off heat, mix in grated cheese and stir until melted and mixture clumps
>fill mushrooms with mixture, add spices (I like paprika here)
>20mins in pre heated oven @ 200C (390F)
>garnish and plate up
>wa la

[Anonymous No.10958483]

>>10956422
Different gut biomes, I just got back from Asia and can't stand Greek yogurt after eating it everyday for two years. Trying to kill this shit with alcohol.

[Anonymous No.10958491]

I started keto and immediately started losing weight. However, I couldn't stand not eating carbs so I stopped even though it was working for me

[Anonymous No.10958497]

>>10958472
cool

Now what would I eat with that o fill me up.

[Anonymous No.10958502]

>>10958497

Liberal bed of steamed veg: broccoli, kale, spinach

[Anonymous No.10958505]

>>10958268
>eating was like fueling a tank
Food isn't supposed to be enjoyed anyway

[Anonymous No.10958513]

>>10958502
dreamen of burger

[Anonymous No.10958874]

>>10958472
>10 grams of protein

[Anonymous No.10959111]

>>10956411
I'm nearing 4 weeks on keto and so far I've lost over 14 lbs on it. Only 20 more weeks to go. Most of it is just will power.

[Anonymous No.10959254]

I hate meat and it feels bad to be forced to eat basically just meat almost everyday desu. I'm starting to get used to it but fucking hell it's certainly not fun.
However this finally put an end to a decade of mysterious and constant headaches (no doctors could ever find what was causing them).
So any food suggestion would be appreciated because I'm losing a bit too much weight for my tastes, I don't eat much because I can barely find the proper food to get. The scary part is, I'm not even that hungry

[Anonymous No.10959276]

>>10958483
you can do it fren. my body's rejecting my own organs at this point. yogurt is child's play.

[Anonymous No.10959303]

>>10956422
Keto is hit or miss for most people. Some are really good at turning fat into sugar. Some suck at it.

The only thing keto really works for is diabetes.
>Can't control sugar levels
>Remove sugar.
>???
>Profit

[Anonymous No.10959332]

[Anonymous No.10959387]

>>10956411
Here's a tip faggot. I lost 20 pounds in the last 6 months and reduced BF% by 8%. My diet is called "Stop Being a Fucking Fatass." Here's how it works:
>Stop drinking alcohol
>Stop eating sugar and other high calorie bullshit
>Eat less
>Eat whatever the fuck I want
>Exercise more

[Anonymous No.10959393]

>>10958497
but that would fill you up

[Anonymous No.10959401]

Keto is veganism for right wing retards who like seeing their wife fucked by dark men

[Anonymous No.10959407]

>>10959254
look up keto https://ebookbb.com/

There's a few recipe books for you. Don't bother with the 500 ketogenic recipe one. It's absolute shit with 1/3 of the recipes just being some shitty dip or just garbage literally made to fill up the book. See pic related.

[Anonymous No.10959471]

>>10959401
>diets are political
The literal state of this place...

[Anonymous No.10959512]

>>10959407
Thanks

[Anonymous No.10959800]

>>10959254
>forced to eat basically just meat almost every day
Keto isnt Atkins. If you're eating basically just meat you are probably not doing keto, just some low carb thing like Atkins. While its difficult to do keto without at least some meat, the amount you need isnt very much, a few ounces per day is all.

[Anonymous No.10959807]

>>10959471
Everything is political you lardassed trumptard.

[Anonymous No.10959817]

>>10959471
what happened to this retard?

[Anonymous No.10959826]

>>10959807
If you're 15 maybe

[Anonymous No.10959827]

>>10956411
Fry ALL THE MEATS

[Anonymous No.10959889]

>>10959807
>everything is political
The literal state of this place just got worse..

[Anonymous No.10960012]

>>10959826
>pointing and laughing at the deluded inbred trumpkin

[Anonymous No.10960122]

>>10960012
You're not helping anyone; political trolling won't be an effective means of persuading one side to another. People are locked in for the time being

[Anonymous No.10960166]

>>10960122
>thinks anybody wants to help trumptards
>doesnt realize everybody is just waiting for them to finish dying of diabetes and terminal stupidity
Go eat a few more pizzas and chug a few firkins of cocacola, fatass. Clock is ticking, so get on with it.

[Anonymous No.10960830]

>>10956411
>temps
?

[Anonymous No.10960901]

>>10960166
>libcuck thinking his opinion matters

[Anonymous No.10960995]

>>10956411
masturabe while eating

[Anonymous No.10961118]

>>10959807
Get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.10961278]

>>10956411
i keep sugar free 10 calorie jello on hand for cravings
and then occasionally i make keto chocolate milk or chocolate cream with 1 single chopped up strawberry
the chocolate strawberry cream = 1 or 2 small chopped strawberry + 2 tbsp heavy cream + 1 squirt liquid setivia + 2 dropped vanilla extract + 3 flakes of kosher salt (barely any) + 1.5 tsp unsweetened cocoa powder
mix everything thourougly, even try to muddle/mash the strawberries into the cream
top with a single spoonful of sugarfree whipped cream (optional)
Enjoy! its only a few small bites, but take your time and savor the deliciousness

[Anonymous No.10961465]

>>10956411
curry
make curry use curry love the spice of life

[Anonymous No.10961478]

>>10960995
>masturabe

[Anonymous No.10961487]

>>10961465
>curry is worth eating if you don't have rice or bread to dip the excess sauce on

[Anonymous No.10961630]

>>10961487
What is cauliflower rice?

[Anonymous No.10962476]

>>10956461
>absolute numbers

This might as well be renamed "countries ranked by total population".

[Anonymous No.10962566]

My major problem with my keto diet is the lack of fat I consume. By the end of the day I usually eat half of what I should be having. I've been using pork rinds to account for this, but I'm getting sick of it. Should I just fucking chug a bunch of almond/coconut milk instead?

[Anonymous No.10962570]

>>10961487
While doing keto, I've put curry over roasted broccoli before. While it was delicious, it did remind me that both Curry and broccoli have a stigma for a reason.

[Anonymous No.10963018]

>>10959800
When, I barely know what I'm doing. I did already buy some books about all this though so I'll get it eventually. It's not like I eat just meat but that's been the main thing along some fruits and vegetables. I never even heard of "atkins"

[Anonymous No.10963268]

>>10962566
You should be cooking with coconut oil and other healthy fats wherever possible. Every dinner I make is a nice cut of meat and 2 or 3 vegetable sides cooked in a way that uses fat (sauté, bake etc.). Pork rinds are more a protein boost than anything else, they aren't a good source of healthy fats.

[Anonymous No.10963299]

>>10959254
>I hate meat
You go to hell!

[Anonymous No.10963308]

>>10959471
I've heard rain called reddit.
Weather is now reddit.

As is that space.

[Anonymous No.10963333]

>>10956461
Diabetes increases with an aging population. Big fucking news.
I hate keto fags so much. Just as cucked as vegans.

[Anonymous No.10963352]

>>10956539
This is the correct answer.
A big difference between Japan and the west is the portion size. Even if you eat fast food all the time it's kinda hard getting fat since the portions are so small.

My weight is normal. I drank beer and ate konbini stuff every day for a month. I was constantly hungry and dropped 10 pounds in a month. Not healthy at all, but that's why the nips stay thin.

[Anonymous No.10963355]

>>10963352
>since the portions are so small.
Why wouldn't fatties just order multiple portions? They do that in the west anyway, despite the portions being larger.

[Anonymous No.10963823]

>>10956411
I love to make ratatouille, Alex's recipe, but with mushrooms and tomato paste added. It's all veggies, but actually tastes sweet because of the tomatoes. Also, a fuckload of oil goes into it because those damn eggplants suck it up like sponges. Which is actually great.

[Anonymous No.10963885]

>>10956411
Buddy, check out Enlightened ice cream, get it if they have it around you.

[Anonymous No.10964081]

>>10963268
>coconut oil
>healthy

[Anonymous No.10964084]

Why did he pull such a face?

[Anonymous No.10964087]

>>10963355
cause they have to work 15 hours a day to afford living their middle class lives anyway

[Anonymous No.10964108]

>>10956411
Don't fall for the keto jew. Take the fasting pill. It's literally the best way to lose weight. Resets your stomach to not expect large portions, removes your sugar/fat addictions and leaves you feeling great.

Then once you're done with the fast just remember to eat moderately. Keto is such a restrictive diet that you will never enjoy food again. Keto food and recipes are a joke.

t. guy on 10th day of water fast. lost about 6 pounds of fat already (water weight not included)

[Anonymous No.10964150]

>>10956422
>skinny slants are skinny
Wow

[Anonymous No.10964153]

>>10963268
I've been using olive oil and butter to cook meals with.

[Anonymous No.10964157]

>>10956505
Also looks like an abbo

[Anonymous No.10964159]

>>10964108
>keto jew

[Anonymous No.10964168]

>>10959387
The state of mutt brainlets.
>ha dude cut out soda xd
No one drinks that piss anyway.

>ha dude don't forget to breathe xd

[Anonymous No.10964459]

>>10964108
dont fast more than 2 or 3 days unless you are a literal mountain.

[Anonymous No.10964482]

>>10964108
>just remember to eat moderately.
I'm not doing keto to lose weight, I was always skinny as fuck. I'm doing it because my brain screams in agony in front of any regular diet and I'm certain the same thing is happening to everyone's brain but the usual normalfag just doesn't feel it.

[Anonymous No.10965295]

>>10961630
back to rebblit, fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.10965612]

>>10956566
losing weight on keto is pretty fucking easy though and it does obviously work.

i'm not sure about sustaining it for long periods of time though

[Anonymous No.10965623]

>>10958472
cant eat cheese

[Anonymous No.10965744]

>>10956411
Is Bradsom Spoob a good fighter?

[Anonymous No.10966678]

>>10956411
headbangerskitchen.com

[Anonymous No.10966720]

>>10965295

[Anonymous No.10966738]

>>10964482
this. keto has given me the drive to only eat once a day and not feel like im somehow punishing myself. still need will power when you live in a house of fatties or next to chinks and all i smell everyday is delicious fucking fooooooooood

[Anonymous No.10966972]

I'm going to give you some diet advice. The larger the incentive to cheat. The more likely you are to do it. And when you do it. The diet is useless. It is not about what losses you the most weight or weight the fastest. But what you can keep to everyday for the rest of your life. Keto works for loser healthnuts that hate the culinary tradition BECAUSE they are healthnuts that hate the culinary tradition. Not because Keto is magical.
What you should do instead is 3 fold.
1) make sure you are getting your daily nutrition
2)get a fitness plan
3) monitor calories and macros to figuire out how your diet applies to it. And adjust to a reasonable target making dacrifises YOU are willing to make to get their based in your preferences. Then when you get used to it stop using the monitoring app and just maintain the diet.
For example I am not gonna give up cookies every now and then. But I dont need them every day. And I was willing and able to switch types of rice easily. And I still have beer or wine everyday. None of these bullshit marketing diets will work on anyone with an actual problem long term.

[Anonymous No.10966997]

>>10964482
If keto is unlocking your brain why are you too stupid to know how nutrition works?

[Anonymous No.10967002]

>>10965612
>i'm not sure about sustaining it for long periods of time though
There are a couple of studies that I've read that all conclude that low carb diets have a higher body-fat loss ratio compared to other kinds of diets. Although most of these studies will point out that after a 6 month period the low carb diets will some how even out with all other kinds of diets when it comes to body fat loss.

I've yet to see any study point mention long term effects of low carb diets as well though. They simply haven't tested it.

["keto health nut" No.10967362]

>>10966972
what you stupid fucks dont realize is how delicious the food actually is. just try it since you love the culinary experience so much. try the keto fathead pizza or any of the keto indian recipes, to people who are on keto and who have been for a while you guys just sound so daft

[Anonymous No.10967370]

>>10967002
>I've yet to see any study point mention long term effects of low carb diets
actually there's one iirc. one of these speakers actually refer to it if youre actually interested, otherwise it's a lot better to not shit up the information cesspool more than necessary, ,if you catch my drift.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcTTiHZtNpiqD2EubIO5HFw

[Anonymous No.10967479]

>>10967362
y..y..you know being on a normal mentally stable person's diet, doesn't mean you cant eat Keto shit right?
Your argument reminds me of all those vegans trying to convince me their food is good. Do they realize I can still eat fucking tofu and vegatables? even if they are right that isn't a logical reason to include only that in your diet.
you can like Tofu and Steak. You can like your gay little Keto pizza without limiting yourself to a certain diet.

[Anonymous No.10967491]

>>10967479
yes i do know that and that wasn't my point.

just a suggestion, maybe if you tried a keto diet you would have better reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.10967497]

>>10967491
Then what was your point anon?

[Anonymous No.10967502]

>>10967497
i don't get paid enough to tutor you, see if you can figure it out champ.

hint: it's got something to do with who i replied to and what was said.

[Anonymous No.10967507]

>>10967502
>meticulously explain why artificially restrained diets are bad and one should base their diets on their preferred eating habits.
>explain the reverse correlation between Keto and health
>NO YOU ARE WRONG CAUSE MY SHIT TIER FOOD IS ACTUALLY GOOD
>okay then you can just eat that sometimes to
>NO SHUT UP YOU DONT GET IT
>okay then, what was the point you were making?
>NO MY INABILITY TO ARTICULATE MYSELF IS YOUR FAULT
This is what happens when you don't get your carbs kids. Always hit those macros.

[Anonymous No.10967526]

>>10967507
>>NO YOU ARE WRONG CAUSE MY SHIT TIER FOOD IS ACTUALLY GOOD
i don't even know where to begin with that.
nice to know you're a retard. thanks for playing.

[Anonymous No.10967534]

>>10967526
If the Keto diet was actually based on good foods, then it wouldn't be a thing because everyone would be doing it by accident. If you won't eat the meal I prepare you because it has too many carbs you are an enemy to the culinary tradition. Again, with the vegan cult tier shit. "No vegan burgers are actually really good, that is why no one chooses to eat them but vegans!"

[Anonymous No.10967803]

>>10956422
THIS
Calories in,calories out you meme loving faggots.

[Anonymous No.10967810]

>veganfags and ketofags arguing over which meme diet will kill you slowest
>the absolute state of /ck/

[Anonymous No.10967960]

>>10967803
>cant accurately measure calories in
>cant accurately measure calories out
>will starve or get fat if you're constantly off by more than a few calories
>reeeeee it's just calories in calories out guise
Found the retard who still thinks CICO works.

[Anonymous No.10967982]

>>10967960
Found the retard who thinks he can defy the laws of thermodynamics.

[Anonymous No.10968151]

>>10967982
Do you work at Microsoft? If you can't accurately measure calories in, and can't accurately measure calories out, then CICO while utterly and absolutely thermodynamically correct, is nonetheless worthless as a prescription for weight control.
Strangely enough, in practice CICO has indeed proven utterly worthless for many decades as a prescription for weight control.
>reeeeee but CICO
Correctness does not ensure usefulness. Nobody is arguing that CICO is incorrect, just that it isnt useful.
>referee but CICO
Go read some biochemistry and endocrinology books and stop being such a simpleminded brainlet

[Anonymous No.10968166]

>>10956422
It's because lardasses cannot into portion control

[Anonymous No.10968215]

>>10968151
>is nonetheless worthless as a prescription for weight control.
Not at all. It's really simple, actually:

Do your best to count calories and maintain a reasonable limit, like the often-quoted figure of 1500. Eat that diet for a week. did you lose or gain weight? If you lost weight, keep doing it. If you didn't lose weight then reduce your figure for next week. Repeat.

You don't need to worry about exact measures of in or out. Just focus on "less" or "more".

[Anonymous No.10968924]

>>10968215
Thst has literally never worked
>week 1
>eat 1500 cals per day
>lose 1 lab
>body downregulates its metabolism
>week 10
>eat 1500 cals per day
>lose 0 lbs
>week 11
>eat 1000 cals per day
>lose 1 lb
>body downregulates its metabolism
>week 20
>eat 1000 cals per day
>lose 0 lbs
>week 21
>eat 750 cals per day
>lose 1 lb
>body downregules its metabolism
>week 30
>get tried of your body screaming at you that its starving to death, and your friends accusing you of cheating on your diet that you give up
>week 31
>eat 1500 cals per day
>gain 2 lbs
>week 50
>eat 1500 cals per day
>gain 2 lbs
>week 150
>eat 1500 cals per day
>gain 2 lbs
>every fucking time
There was a show on for years called the biggest loser where they took a bunch of people and locked them in a controlled environment and put them on a CICO diet. They never ever had a reunion show, because every one of them gained the weight back within a year. They tested several of them in a metabolic chamber to accurately measure their metabolic rates, and even a decade later these people had base metabolic rates roughly 60% lower than normal, they would gain weight on as little as 700 cals per day. The only way out was for them to exercise for hours every single day, and that is simply not a sustainable solution.
CICO diets have over a 99% failure rate because of this metabolic downregulation.

[Anonymous No.10968955]

>>10958262
>Why is everyone so hostile towards keto now?
because ketofags and their CARBS IS TEH DEVIL propaganda have become nearly as obnoxious and annoying as vegans

>SUGAR IS LITERALLY COCAINE AND WILL KILL YOU WITH CANCER!
>GRAINS WILL GIVE YOU LEAKY GUT AND MAKE YOUR BALLS FALL OFF!

having this moronic bullshit shoved in my face all day just gets tiring and annoying, so now i hate ketofags.

[Anonymous No.10968964]

>>10968924
>metabolic downregulation
It has a scientific name: adaptive thermogenesis.

[Anonymous No.10968983]

>>10968955
>vegans actively trying to force their diet on everyone
>ketofags just want to lose their own weight
>near identical propaganda
Give me a break

[Anonymous No.10968986]

>>10968955
>GRAINS WILL GIVE YOU LEAKY GUT AND MAKE YOUR BALLS FALL OFF!
That's the glutenfrei crowd anon. Ketofags hate grains because of the carbs. Please don't confuse your meme diets.

[Anonymous No.10968991]

>>10968964
Who cares what it's called. What's important is what it does, and what that means for the retardedly oversimplified CICO model.

[Anonymous No.10969006]

>>10968964
>autism

[Anonymous No.10969012]

>>10968924
>calorie counting just doesn't work!
>*gulps down gallon of coke*
>i'm still gaining on just 700 calories a day!
>*sneaks big mac into hospital*
>i just cant keep the weight off!
>*chugs starbucks frappucino with extra cream and caramel sauce*
>i just have a really slow metabolism!
>*orders dominos for dinner*
>CICO just isn't useful!
>*chomps three scoops of ice cream before bed*
>i just dont have the time to exercise all day!
>*munches on snickers bars while watching netflix for 3 hours per day*

[Anonymous No.10969023]

>>10968991
>>10969006
>getting this mad over some helpful information
Jesus christ, check your bloodsugar levels.

[Anonymous No.10969077]

>>10969023
>reeee why don't you appreciate my irrelevant details
Nobody fucking cares what its called you autistic neckbeard.

[Anonymous No.10969087]

>>10969012
>Noscience brainlet
Enjoy your diabeetus grandpa

[Anonymous No.10969124]

>>10969077
>I rather use my own made up terms than learn something
>I speak for everyone
Talk about autism, you raging lunatic.
The fact that is has an ACTUAL name means it's fucking SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN, which may be useful for the non-retards here, who want to find some actual information.
You can go back playing banjo on you porch now, mentally deficit monkey boy. Try not to break the chair.

[Anonymous No.10969198]

>>10969087
diets have a 99% "failure rate" because people stop doing them after a while and go back to the old eating habits that got them fat in the first place, so of course they gain back any weight they lost.
the entire mindset of "i'll just do this miracle diet for X months to fix my issues" is so obviously dysfunctional and doomed to failure, i have no idea why it is still around.

to achieve a permanent reduction in body weight you need a permanent reduction in food intake. making people believe that a temporary change in lifestyle will fix their permanent problems is a recipe for disaster.

[Anonymous No.10969364]

>>10969198
CICO is actually the best diet BECAUSE of this. It is sustainable long term. Bullshit arbitrary diets such as keto are not. I garuntee you no Ketofags will be eating exclusively keto in 5 years.
>>10968215
This is the correct answer it is about longterm trends. If you maintain a calorie surplus one day it won't kill you.
>>10968983
Anyone who's dumb fad crash diet means they cant eat with everyone else, is subhuman.

[Anonymous No.10969396]

>>10969364
gud post

at the end of the day, what matters for weight gain/loss is not what you eat, but how much you eat.

[Anonymous No.10969401]

>>10969364
>Anyone who's dumb fad crash diet means they cant eat with everyone else, is subhuman.
but you can eat with everyone else

[Anonymous No.10969434]

>>10969401
>hey bro font mind me I just gotta eat this special low carb fathead meal bruh! You guys have that pasta though I can eat with you!

[Anonymous No.10969449]

>>10969434
hahahaha holy shit my dude, you're just shit posting for the sake of it.

[Anonymous No.10969468]

>>10969449
You are right. They woupdn't say that without giving their broscience propaganda with it.

[Anonymous No.10970315]

>>10969364
>no Ketofags will be eating exclusively keto in 5 years
you'd lose that bet anon. there are ketofags around *today* that have been eating keto for longer than 5 years.
>what matters for weight gain/loss is not what you eat
actually it does. farmers don't fatten their cows and pigs with fat or kale, they fatten them with carbs in the form of corn. foix gras isn't made by fattening geese with fat, its made by force feeding them carbs in the form of grain. japanese sumo wrestlers don't fatten themselves with steaks and salad, they eat carbs, as much and as often as possible. and it turns out that what you eat has great deal to do with how much you eat. fat turns off your hunger very quickly, which makes it difficult to eat very much because you just feel stuffed very quickly.

[Anonymous No.10970362]

>>10969198
no you're not understanding, or you're being deliberately retarded.
calorie reduction very quickly causes your body to adapt by reducing the number of calories it needs, and by increasing the production of the hormone that makes you hungry. so you have to lower your calorie intake again, but your body adapts again, by lowering its metabolic rate and increasing the hunger hormone. there is no way to beat this, eventually your body will lower its metabolic rate enough that your health is at risk so you can't cut calories any more without dying. even worse is that your body will not raise its metabolic rate easily once you come off the diet. those biggest loser contestants were put in a metabolic chamber with no access to unauthorized food or drink to see what their metabolic rate really was, and the amount of food that would starve you to death would cause them to gain weight. yet their ghrelin levels (ghrelin is the hormone that makes you feel hungry) was nearly double that of a normal person. this is not winnable - their 18 week Biggest Loser experiment with CICO - under experienced supervision mind you - left them completely fucked.
once your weight is normal then CICO is fine for just coasting along, but that's a pretty low challenge for any diet. even veganism can do that.

[Anonymous No.10970393]

>>10970362
>causes your body to adapt by reducing the number of calories it needs
That's nonsense, anon, as a quick view of concentration camp victims will show you.

Your body can make you more hungry, but it can't magically create energy out of thin air. As long as you don't act on that hunger and cheat on your diet the weight goes away.

[Anonymous No.10970666]

>>10968215
exactly

[Anonymous No.10970699]

>>10970393
>That's nonsense
oh its definitely a real thing anon. here's some light reading for you on the subject, from the National Institutes for Health:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673773/
as for why death camp survivors in germany and japan lost so much weight without the apparent metabolic reduction, that turned out to be an interesting and extremely significant topic that is relevant to this discussion.
it turns out that fasting or starvation produce a completely different hormonal response than mere CICO style calorie reduction, and this turns out not to cause adaptive thermogenesis to kick in. When the researchers looked into it, it turned out that the big difference between starvation/fasting and a reduced-calorie weight loss diet is that fasting is *fucking low carb*. which meant that the concentration camp survivors bodies started turning fat into ketones and running off of that. Since your body can easily make enough ketones for you to run a marathon, your body never actually suffers the sustained energy deficit that would trigger a metabolic reduction.
the meme keto diet is simply a way to get this same effect without the risk and discomfort of having to actually starve yourself, thus turning it into a more sustainable and infinitely less dangerous weight loss/maintenance diet.

[Anonymous No.10970709]

>>10970666
satanic trips are witness to your lie.

[Anonymous No.10971492]

>>10970315
You seem very confused as to how calories work.

[Anonymous No.10971553]

The amazing thing about keto is the lack of hunger, you can eat your meal and just not be hungry for 10h, craving for carbs no longer controls your mind or actions.

[Anonymous No.10972866]

>>10971553
lets hope youre right im giving it a shot for a few months

[Anonymous No.10972894]

>>10971492
>feedlots don't exist
>calories from high fructose corn syrup are the same as calories from a steak
>sugary soda is as healthy as an egg
youre pretty special anon, in that retarded kind of way. even vegans aren't that retarded, and they kill their children for their religion

[Anonymous No.10972907]

>>10969364
>fad crash diet
Diet has been around for years now and isn't going anywhere. It's not a fad anymore, faggot, it has proven itself.
It's also the fucking opposite of a crash diet, it's main focus is on what you eat, not how much.
Why is it that people who have no idea what they're talking about always have the loudest opinions? God damn, if there's anything you can actually consider subhuman it's people with brains of a monkey.

[Anonymous No.10972924]

>>10972866
see:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2777281/
"Hormonal Regulators of Appetite"
turns out that "full" feeling isn't based on how full your stomach is at all, its actually hormones that cause that sensation. but carbs, especially fructose, don't trigger those hormones very well, so there's nothing much to tell you you're full. the only other option is careful portion control, but that means you stop eating without shutting off the hunger hormones or ramping up the satiety hormones, which just leaves you feeling hungry and cranky. high fat diets shut off ghrelin (hunger hormone) and ramps up leptin and cholestocystokinin (CCK) which are two of the major satiety hormones that make you feel full.
try to eat a stick of butter and see how far you get before you feel stuffed. not "ugh that looks unappetizing i don't want to eat it" but your stomach feels physically full like it will pop if you eat another bite. it won't take much, a few bites at most. yet your stomach will feel like you've just gorged yourself on a multi-course meal. it seems bizarre and unbelievable, but its all just hormones, just fucking hormones.

[Anonymous No.10972927]

>>10972907
>Why is it that people who have no idea what they're talking about always have the loudest opinions?
don't go too hard on them. if vegans could think they wouldn't be vegans.

[Anonymous No.10972965]

>People still follow these stupid diets with little to no scientific backing that they work better than any other diet

If you really want to follow a diet that ought to be good for you, do a genetic test and find your most likely place(s) of origin. Look up tribes in the region and see what they eat or are. Human diets have widely varied through time and space. Inuits get >90% of their calories from animals while hunter gathers in SA only get like 20% from animals. No ancient peoples or tribes to my knowledge has/had serious health problems like we do today related to diet.

[Anonymous No.10972982]

>>10968924
I know you are retarded or lying because virtually every meme diet study uses CICO as a control to compare against and the results are typical very close. The idea that you won't lose weight on a 1,000 kcal deficit is fantastical.

[Anonymous No.10973017]

>>10972982
>The idea that you won't lose weight on a 1,000 kcal deficit is fantastical
You'll lose weight for a while. Then your body will gradually start adapting to the new normal, and you'll stop losing weight. Then you lower your caloric intake again, and lose weight again, until your body adapts.
It's an evolutionarily adaptation to drought and other environmental conditions to protect us from starvation. Read the paper cited above, or Google for more. This is not some obscure hokeypokey mystical process, it has been well studied. That you think it fantastical reflects more on your relative ignorance in this area. Not trying to be insulting, but your comment is akin to claiming space travel is fantastical.

[Anonymous No.10973027]

>>10972982
Except for ketogenic and starvation diets, oddly enough Starvation diets are also keto FWIW, since if you're eating nothing then you're also eating 0 carbs.

[Anonymous No.10973058]

>>10973017
>Then your body will gradually start adapting to the new normal, and you'll stop losing weight.

It sounds like you're trying to say that starvation doesn't exist. That smells like bullshit.

[Anonymous No.10973249]

>>10973058
Why are you denying science anon? Are you some sort of religious nut? Do you not believe in evolution because of your god delusion?

[Anonymous No.10973253]

>>10973249
>Why are you denying science anon?
I'm not. I just posted scientific evidence that suggests that reducing caloric consumption does indeed result in weight loss.

[Anonymous No.10973266]

>wanting to die an early death
>wanting to never feel awake in the morning
>wanting to never lose weight no matter how much cardio you do
>wanting to be depressed and sluggish
>wanting your dick to not work
>wanting to not get fat adapted as fuck so if you are in a situation where you HAVE to eat carbs you don't have such a hard time busting up the glycogen and getting back into fat-burning mode
>not wanting to increase your metabolism so you burn more calories at rest

BUT MUH KIDNEY STONES THOUGH XDDDDDD

Fact: if you eat the modern American diet, which your lardass almost certainly does just like 80 percent of the faggots here who start crying uncontrollably when someone talks about how they bettered themselves by removing shit carbs from their diet, you're at just as much of a fucking risk of not only kidney stones but a FUCK load of other preventable illnesses, especially diabetes and cancer. The cavemen literally had the best physiques and were fit as fuck and the only carbs they ate were veggies. They mostly ate good fat like nuts and animal fat of whatever they could kill and they evolved to have fucking critical thinking skill. Just because you think that "Hurrr keto is just when you eat highly processed cheese all day" because you're a faggot whose never looked into it for yourself doesn't mean your cute litlle MUH KIDNEY STONES bullshit is relevant at all.

I'm glad you are regurgitating information from some faggot vegan on youtube who probably will pass out and die from heat exhaustion at 28 though, really shows how soulless and retarded anti-keto faggots are. Maybe all of you should go back to your preferred diet of choking on dick so those of us who are actually serious about bettering ourselves can do so unabated by retards

[Anonymous No.10973328]

>>10973017
Yes, your body loses weight in response to lower calories and then reaches a new equilibrium. If you drop 100 calories a day, your new equilibrium might be a couple pounds less. You seem to be confusing equilibrium behavior with some magical adaptive ability that upends the laws of thermodynamics. I'm not disagreeing that hormones play a big role in the feeling of hunger and fullness but they do virtually nothing to prevent weight loss. Your body can't drop several degrees internal temperature, you will burn those calories or you would die very quickly. Try progressively lowering your calorie intake by 50 a day or hell, make it a week since I'm sure you'll say that is too fast because muh hormone response, all the way down to zero and see if you ever stop losing weight.

[Anonymous No.10973345]

>>10973253
You posted photographic evidence that starvation results in weight loss. Starvation and calorie reduction produce completely different metabolic responses because starvation is ketogenic, and the metabolic adjustment doesnt happen during ketosis until you start running out of fat. See
>>10972924
So congratulations, you just posted proof that ketogenic diets work like a charm.
So feel free to check yourself into a concentration camp to lose weight. Most people would prefer to enjoy effective weight loss without adopting that sort of concentration camp prisoner lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.10973375]

>>10973345
are you trying to say that starvation isn't an example of caloric reduction?

[Anonymous No.10973377]

>>10973328
>Your body can't drop several degrees internal temperature,
Yes it can, and it does. The biggest loser study showed that after the competition the contestants had basal temperatures several degrees lower than normal, and this persisted for *years*.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27136388

[Anonymous No.10973402]

>>10973375
I'm saying that it is a special case that causes your body to switch from running on glucose to running on fat, and that it is a special case of calorie restriction precisely because starvation is by definition low carb. The "meme" keto diet does this same thing - lower carb intake to a level that triggers the body to switch to ketosis - without the need for starvation, a concentration camp, and judaism. There is no middle ground, there is no continuum of running on fat and running on glucose, your body is either running 90:10 glucose:ketone, or 10:90 glucose:ketone, it's pretty binary. If you give your body enough carbs to prevent ketosis but not enough to live, your body will down regulate its metabolism in order to survive. Starve it of carbs and it will switch over to fat within a day or two, and trundle along quite happily with your liver making glucose for the organs that need it and everything else running off ketones from fat.

[Anonymous No.10973447]

>>10973402
>I'm saying that it is a special case that causes your body to switch from running on glucose to running on fat,
Any case of "caloric reduction" does that.

>>If you give your body enough carbs to prevent ketosis but not enough to live, your body will down regulate its metabolism in order to survive.
That's nonsense. Human metabolism has very little variance. Your body might try to reduce its metabolism a bit, but it can't reduce it an appreciable amount.

I was a bodybuilder in college. I would often go on a restricted calorie diet (but not Keto or low-carb) when I was on a cut and I had no problem losing weight doing so. The idea that your body can magically reduce its metabolism such that reduced calorie diets are ineffective is utter nonsense. Hell, a good friend of mine back then was a pudgy fat kid. He went on a calorie-cut diet that consisted of 1500 cals/day: McChickens and mountain dew. Mofo lost 70 lbs doing that, and carbs were the majority of his diet.

[Anonymous No.10973479]

>>10973017
True. I've been gradually lowering my caloric intake until my body adapted for years. Right now I'm living on a mere 50 cals a day and if things go right I'll soon won't have to eat anything at all anymore, saving lots of money.

[Anonymous No.10973485]

>>10956422
Nobody is claiming keto is the only way to lose weight, it's just the only way to do it without going outside and being active or feeling hungry all the time.

[Anonymous No.10973510]

>>10956515
Hunter-gatherers were CONSTANTLY walking, running and hunting for food outside in the sun. Of course they still ate carbs. If you lived like a hunter-gatherer it literally wouldn't matter what or how much you eat, you would never not be fit as all hell, because if your physical fitness declined you'd just die of exhaustion instead.

[Anonymous No.10973560]

>>10973447
>That's nonsense
It's ok to be ignorant, it's not ok to be uneducatable. The human body capable of an astonishing level of metabolic change:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27136388
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673773/

[Anonymous No.10973628]

>>10973560
Well, well, look at that, the faggot has actually looked up the term after his initial raging tantrum.
A thank you would be in order.

[Anonymous No.10973638]

>falling for keto
just fucking lift and eat moderately you idiot

[Anonymous No.10973646]

>>10973628
????

[Anonymous No.10973657]

>>10973646
>I'm a different guy harping on about the biggest loser competition and metabolic adaption
Sure

[Anonymous No.10973680]

>>10959807

Wow

[Anonymous No.10973709]

>>10973402
Why use the word starvation in this context to begin with?

[Anonymous No.10974159]

>Body temperature dropped slightly after 6 years

Called getting old. I'll have to read through to see if the temps differed by those that gained the weight again or not. Additionally your own study states that people that kept off the weight had lower RMR. This conflicts with your own conclusion.

Also, 16 person sample, lmao

[Anonymous No.10974207]

>>10973560
Says nothing about temperature reduction and measures RMR indirectly via VO2 and VCO2. Neither these or any other studies I could find indicate ketosis prevents the observed RMR adaption.

[Anonymous No.10974313]

>>10973638
You can't lift shit with your brain.

[Anonymous No.10974972]

>>10972907
It sets an unrealistic diet plan based on fast weight loss and marketing.
I.e. a fad crash diet.
If you want to burn more calories lift. These stupid "cheat your body to burn calories" bullshits you read in magazines are a scam. Especially from cults like Keto.
>>10972894
Nutrition =/= weight. If you run a calorie deficit you will lose weight. Regardless of what the calories are. But that does not mean you will be healthy or that a can of coke is as filling as other food options.

[Anonymous No.10975226]

Ate nothing but a tin of tuna for a week went down 20 pounds. Obviously people saying its bullshit are still drink coke and eating pizza.

[Anonymous No.10975552]

I began keto on June 24th at 275lb, 6ft tall.

Today I'm at 255, I work a job that requires me standing/walking constantly, usually about 5-7 miles a day.

Cutting carbs is easier than counting calories because the lack of insulin spikes means I'm almost never hungry.

[Anonymous No.10977015]

>>10975552
I'm similar to you except I've started on the first of July. I'm already down 17 lbs.

Do you ever get restless legs after eating anything, I mean anything sometime around the early evening?

[Anonymous No.10977594]

Since this is the keto thread, going to ask here. How good is this fag's channel?
https://www.youtube.com/user/flavcity/videos

He makes a lot of "keto" dishes and low carb stuff, but almost every recipe he posts has a lot of meat. I've only been able to find a few of his dishes which were actually 80% calories from fat 15-20% from protein. Most of them seem to be pretty high in protein. And he also uses a lot of salt, but doesn't list the amount of sodium in the recipe's nutrition macros he puts in every description, and it seems like too much.

Is he actually making good keto stuff or is he just hopping on the fad of "eat whatever meat you want! WOW KETO!" that retards spout to make bank on youtube? Kind of new to this.

[Anonymous No.10978039]

>>10977594
It's really easy to get the necessary amount of protein during keto, it's better to eat less than more because too much protein is going to fuck you up. Also salt helps your body keep water in it when it doesn't have carbs to bind it, generally you're recommended adding a bit of salt in the water youre drinking.

[Anonymous No.10978061]

>>10975552
Insulin spikes don’t make you hungry. The carbs you were eating were junk and didn’t give gradual insulin drop offs, it just dropped off and you weren’t eating nutritious non caloric dense fibrous food to fill you up

[Anonymous No.10978076]

>>10978039
Ok thanks anon. I was just worried because sodium seems to fuck you up hard if you consume a lot though I know salt isn't all sodium (most of the reason fast food kills people is from consuming 2-3 times their daily sodium intake without realizing).

I might try one of his dishes and see how it goes. A lot of them do look really yummy, and there was this amazing bread video they made that I was definitely going to try. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2YvFeTQ5qQ

It looked super delicious and had such low carbs (pic related). Kinda high on calories though, but don't give a damn.

[Anonymous No.10978184]

Keto is the only thing that stops me from being ravenously hungry all the time. CICO doesn't work because it makes me feel like a miserable wretch, which throws me straight off the wagon. It's way easier to not eat mac and cheese, than to only eat a little.

[Anonymous No.10978581]

>>10973447
nice anecdotal evidence you've go there

[Anonymous No.10978589]

>>10978184
makes sense.
insulin prevents hsl to do it's job, making you hungry

[Anonymous No.10978600]

>>10978184
>It's way easier to not eat mac and cheese, than to only eat a little.
Same with sugar, it's easier to not add sugar as a sweeter to your meals than to only use little.

[Anonymous No.10978604]

>>10978589
No it doesn’t. What utter stupidity

[Anonymous No.10978624]

Stop doing retarded scam-diets and eat less calories than you burn idiot.

High fiber foods are more satiating so you can feel fuller if you eat those. That will help

[Anonymous No.10978633]

>>10978624
>>10959332

[Anonymous No.10978641]

>>10978633
You sure showed him

[Anonymous No.10978713]

>>10958497
>to fill me up
>cuz he needs to have a distended stomach that literally can't hold any more before he stops eating.

[Anonymous No.10978729]

>>10959387
This is obviously the answer.
Nothing more to be said.

[Anonymous No.10979049]

>>10956411
Eating for fun is how you got fat, break the habit!!!!!

[Anonymous No.10979158]

>>10977594
>>10978076
Any more channels like this? Preferably someone using less meat
That's some nice fucking bread

[Anonymous No.10979166]

>>10956411
you dont retard.

count calories like a smart boi.

>be me FAT FUCK
>realize ive been eating 2900 calories a day making me into 330lbs of fat fuck
>find out if i just eat 1800 calories a day ill lose weight really fast, even lose weight if i only eat 2200 calories just not as fast.
>already at 300lbs and still dropping all while eating the things i want in smaller portions

[Anonymous No.10979444]

>>10979166
>smart boi
>still eats carbs
>just assume OP is doing this due to weight problems
Yeah sure, dumb fat fuck.
>300lbs
Jesus FUCKING christ are you even still human?

There's already way too much useless fucking posts from fat tards spouting total bullshit that's unrelated to this thread already and this absolute garbage need to stop.
OP didn't even mention his weight as his reason for doing keto, and as a matter of fact, there's indeed a lot more reasons to do it than being fucking fat (I'm 120lbs for fuck's sake, still not gonna stop), OP asked for keto meals, if you have no keto stuff to contribute to this thread, just get the fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10979507]

>>10979444
>as a matter of fact, there's indeed a lot more reasons to do it than being fucking fat
Correct. Cults often provide a sense of belonging and purpose to people.

[Anonymous No.10979539]

>>10979507
Ah, that's funny. No wonder some fat idiots are somehow proud of it

[Anonymous No.10979609]

>>10979444
Are you a cute trap? Will you be my cute short trap keto gf?

[Anonymous No.10979636]

>>10979539
This is correct as well.