Veganism

[Anonymous No.10760676]

It's so easy to be vegan these days, and there's more and more evidence of the benefits of a vegan diet and the negative effects of animal agriculture. You basically have to live under a rock to not understand how much more logical a vegan lifestyle is.

[Anonymous No.10760681]

>>10760676
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.10760689]

>>10760676
Last time I went to the hospital my doctor still had a pager. It was the VA though

[Anonymous No.10760699]

>>10760676
>loom bands
I hear those are still going strong

[Anonymous No.10760710]

>>10760676
3.5 floppies are cool again with the hip crowds in PDX

[Anonymous No.10760719]

>I spent a part of my life shilling my shitty diet on a Polynesian Sand Castle HAM Radio Club

Pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10760723]

I'm pescetarian, it's pretty healthy. I don't have to worry about b12 or other deficiencies as much, it's easier. I've been trying to go vegan for a few years, and I try to minimize animal products, but I can seem to make any more progress for long before I'm eating eggs/cheese/sardines. How do I get over the final hump?

I do my best to get local humane animal products, and wild caught fish.

Any tips on how I can make progress towards veganism?

[Anonymous No.10760724]

>>10760676
There are benefits to just eating more whole grains/fruits/vegetables and still eating animal products in moderation too. And there are still problems associated with plant farming. The high quality protein isn't something that should be ignored because there are benefits to eating it in moderation in a healthy diet. Veganism is going to become mostly pointless once lab-grown meat gets into stores though, unless they just consider that a vegan food.

[Anonymous No.10760725]

>>10760710
No they aren't. You can't even store a good sized meme on a floppy.

[Anonymous No.10760730]

>>10760676
I find meat, dairy, and eggs to be pretty useful in 2018

[Anonymous No.10760738]

>>10760723
Traumatize yourself by watching videos from the fishing and egg and dairy industries. Worked for me. I went vegan overnight.

Try Earthlings or Farm to Fridge for starters.

[Anonymous No.10760739]

>>10760723
>...before I'm eating eggs/cheese/sardines. How do I get over the final hump?
You need to learn to stop listening to your cravings, i.e. what your body needs. Enter a pure stoic mindset, ignore everything, enter nirvana and ignore earthly desires, and all of a sudden you'll realize you've been vegan for some time

[Anonymous No.10760741]

>j-just eat our mass-produced meat, dairy, and egg replacements, you c-carnist

no thanks

[Anonymous No.10760743]

>>10760738
>Traumatize yourself by watching videos from the fishing and egg and dairy industries. Worked for me. I went vegan overnight.
Wew fucking lad, imagine being such a sensitive coastie as to be traumatized by fishing videos!

[Anonymous No.10760744]

>>10760738
>>10760738
>omg did you know we have to kill living things for food?
Plants are alive too, retard. But hey if you commit sudoku do it under a tree so the tree can eat you.

[Anonymous No.10760745]

>>10760739
My body is craving Skittles right now so I guess that's what it really needs and I was just meant to be a lard ass with diabetes. I will be sure to tell the doctor this before he amputates my foot so he understands.

[Anonymous No.10760750]

>>10760725
Yeah they are retard, cool people know how to compress and optimize their memes. What are you, an Iomega zip drive shill?

[Anonymous No.10760754]

God I fucking hate vegans. Luckily they dont last too long with all their health problems and mental issues.

[Anonymous No.10760756]

>>10760745
>My body is craving Skittles right now so I guess that's what it really needs and I was just meant to be a lard ass with diabetes. I will be sure to tell the doctor this before he amputates my foot so he understands.
You only crave sugar if you've already fucked up your glycemic responses so as to already put yourself into pre-diabetic condition. You only have yourself (or perhaps your retard parents) to blame

[Anonymous No.10760761]

>>10760743
Google by-catch.

[Anonymous No.10760765]

>>10760676
I like veganism because of its eugenic effect. Only stupid people get sucked into veganism, and said stupid people proceed to fuck up their health, hormone balance, and IQ, such that they're less likely to succeed in raising children. Just what our society needs :^)

[Anonymous No.10760770]

>>10760761
We live in a world of constant struggle

[Anonymous No.10760774]

>>10760765
Except this is literally the opposite of reality.

[Anonymous No.10760778]

>>10760676
I'm fully conscious that veganism is a more sustainable and morally better diet, but I still consume animal products because it's good. I know it's selfish but at least I'm not intellectually dishonest to the point of arguing against it.

[Anonymous No.10760779]

>>10760743
Coming from someone who obviously hasn't seen Earthlings all the way through.

[Anonymous No.10760800]

>>10760744
Plants don't have a CNS desu

[Anonymous No.10760803]

>>10760676
If vegans just admitted they are doing it to be trendy they would be a lot less obnoxious

[Anonymous No.10760809]

>>10760803
They're not doing it to be trendy though. It's ritual without religion in a godless world. The sense of moral superiority is the central defining feature of the movement, and it's why nihilistic losers living lives devoid of meaning are so often drawn to it

[Anonymous No.10760830]

>>10760676
Floppy disks are still being manufactured because there are old as fj k systems that operate using them that can't be replaced

[Anonymous No.10760832]

>>10760800
Yes they do.

[Anonymous No.10760835]

>>10760699
That's how they castrate cattle lol

[Anonymous No.10761163]

I'm going to need some sources on that. And no, a hippy blog shilling for veganism does not count as a valid source.

[Anonymous No.10761194]

>>10760681
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10761195]

suck my floppy dick

[Anonymous No.10761198]

>>10761163
this.
i'd love to see actual scientific research on the matter.

[Anonymous No.10761210]

>>10760761
animals die. get over it.

(and you will one day die as well)

[Anonymous No.10761235]

Sometimes in life you can jump from one ditch to the other, and miss the road completely. This is one of those situations.

[Anonymous No.10761244]

>>10760676
I eat animals and animal products because they taste good. Fuck off with your slave morality, might makes right.

[Anonymous No.10761251]

>>10760723
>>10760738
>>10760739
Jesus christ you people sound like you're in a batchit crazy cult, you know that?

[Anonymous No.10761259]

>>10760761
Did you know that thousands of animals suffer horrible deaths every day. In nature. They get torn to shreds, bleed out, limp with broken bones until they can't go on. What we do isn't any worse than that.

Sure, animals born into captivity suffer. But that's life. We are the dominant species and we'll use animals as we see fit.

[Anonymous No.10761309]

I can't use a phone during work and require a pager for job calls.

[Anonymous No.10761339]

>>10761244
>i read nietzsche once therefore i am smart

[Anonymous No.10761344]

[Anonymous No.10761360]

>>10760689
How else are you going to call Captain Marvel?

[Anonymous No.10761364]

>>10761339
I was tested to an IQ of 138 and am in the process of writing my Master's thesis, therefore I am smart. Also I like to eat meat.

[Anonymous No.10761397]

>>10761339
Objective morality doesn't exist. Society is a form of cooperation created by men to optimise their reproductive success. Morality is the social contract that allows societies to exist and is a result of memetic evolution.

Slave morality is a coping mechanism for the weak that has managed to sink its claws into western culture via the Christian faith and in this post-religious age has mutated into marxism, cultural materialism, white self hatred, and veganism.

You are a submissive bitch (m/f) that has convinved itself that letting itself get fucked is commendable while fucking others is reprehensible. When reduced to your essence you are nothing more than a walking, talking vagina.

[Anonymous No.10761403]

>>10760800
>Plants don't have a CNS desu

[Anonymous No.10761409]

>>10760725
nuclear codes are kept on floppy because it's unhackable

[Anonymous No.10761418]

There are more and more studies showing the benefits of animal fats in the diet you dumb leafeater

[Anonymous No.10761420]

>>10761397
>objective morality doesn't exist
>might makes right
>power belongs to those who can take it
>i must defend meat consumption against strangers on the internet

[Anonymous No.10761450]

>>10761420
I don't have to defend anything. Meat consumption is perfectly legal, as is me expressing my contempt for the vegan vagina that started this thread.

[Anonymous No.10761485]

>>10761450
truly you are the embodiment of the ubermensch

[Anonymous No.10761508]

>>10760676
Almonds kill

[Anonymous No.10761518]

>>10760770
dont poison yourself with meat
also
your gay little fashwave is embarassing bro, RECLAIM YOUR PORTA POTTY

[Anonymous No.10761521]

>>10760676
Pagers are actually still a multibillion dollar business. They're widely used in the medical industry as well as by law enforcement.

[Anonymous No.10761674]

>>10760689
most doctors still have pagers apparently, its weird.

[Anonymous No.10761688]

i always get a kick out of vegans who spew the "muh GHG emissions!!" bullshit when they literally have no idea what they're talking about. don't even know the difference between CO2 emissions and CO2eq emissions. don't know at all about the natural methane sinks making methane emissions a total non-issue for scientists (protip: everything is in terms of CO2 for a reason you soycucks)

it's truly the "gender pay gap" level of ignorance but applied to the culinary world

[Anonymous No.10761747]

I mean, you can live your life without high quality whiskies. This doesn't mean that I should deprive myself of them.

[Anonymous No.10761759]

>>10760719
Probably the worst, most reddet, newfaggish, summer term fit 4chan I've ever seen

[Anonymous No.10761769]

I could live without meat but the hell I'd ever give up cheese and eggs

[Anonymous No.10761770]

>>10761688
It's especially ironic when you ask them about the GHG emissions produced by trucking/shipping/flying in out-of-season veggies they need for their meme ritual diet. IT's like they think that tomatoes in january magically appear in the supermarket without any pollution required to get there.

[Anonymous No.10761790]

>>10761759
says the phoneposter

[Anonymous No.10761801]

>>10761770
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/08/save-planet-meat-dairy-livestock-food-free-range-steak

[Anonymous No.10761811]

>>10760676
That B&W tv, is amazing to watch B&W movies on... have my grandparents firsts TV in the library. Frankenstein never looked so good.

[Anonymous No.10761820]

>>10761770
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987
According to researchers at Oxford University, eschewing animal products will reduce an individual's carbon footprint by 73 percent.

A new study conducted by researchers at Oxford University and published in environmental journal Science found that following a plant-based diet is “the single biggest way” to reduce global environmental destruction. In one of the most comprehensive studies of its kind, researchers spent five years compiling data from 40,000 farms in 119 countries and examining the environmental impact of producing 40 foods—which amount to 90 percent of all food eaten on earth. “A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use, and water use,” the study’s lead author Joseph Poore—who transitioned to veganism one year into the study—said. Poore’s team found that the meat and dairy industries are responsible for 60 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions and that if individuals removed animal products from their diets, they would reduce their carbon footprint by 73 percent. The researchers also found that if meat and dairy production were to cease, global farmland use would be reduced by 75 percent. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car, which would only reduce greenhouse gas emissions,” Poore said. “Avoiding consumption of animal products delivers far better environmental benefits than trying to purchase sustainable meat and dairy.” Poore’s findings support those of the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations which found that animal agriculture produces more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire transportation sector combined.

[Anonymous No.10761846]

>>10761820
B
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F
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[Anonymous No.10761907]

>>10761790
Are you one of those
>if he captalizes and punctuates properly he's a phoneposter
fags?

[Anonymous No.10761923]

>>10761259
>Appeal to nature
Guess people have the right to walk in the streets naked.

[Anonymous No.10761948]

>>10761344
Eating 3 more animals means either
1) going over your TTEE by a mile and being obese
2) adopting a carnivorous diet
Either way you aren't living long so it works out for them.

[Anonymous No.10762000]

>>10761907
No I am one of those
>if his phone autocorrects "for" to "fit" he's a phoneposter
fag.

[Anonymous No.10762012]

>>10761907
No I am one of those
>if his phone autocorrects "for" to "fit" he's a phoneposter
fags.

[Anonymous No.10762035]

>>10761820
India's heavily vegetarian and they're still one of the biggest sources of the problem.

If you really want to reduce human impact on the environment, the only way that's legitimately going to work is to cut down the number of humans. Doesn't matter what the percentage reductions are when Asia and Africa continue breeding like rabbits and every new addition is a new mouth to feed.

[Anonymous No.10762042]

>>10761948
The Inuit are almost exclusively carnivorous and have persevered for millennia. So long as it's a meat source with vitamin c its doable.

[Anonymous No.10762047]

>>10761923
>Guess people have the right to walk in the streets naked.
What's stopping you? The state, which has the power of life and death over you?
Just like apex-predator man has the power of life and death over animals?

[Anonymous No.10762054]

>>10761923
So long as you're claiming to do it in the name of gay rights you evidently can.

[Anonymous No.10762060]

>>10761948
Nice point but i'm trying to die as soon as possible

[Anonymous No.10762070]

>>10762054
Wew

[Anonymous No.10762105]

>>10760738
Yup, much better than in nature.

[Anonymous No.10762128]

>>10761820
>the study’s lead author Joseph Poore—who transitioned to veganism one year into the study
Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.10762150]

>>10761948
>Order some wings
>10 chickens diesd for my dinner

[Anonymous No.10762195]

>>10762150
>Order a dozen wings
>The wings of 3 chickens whose every other scrap went towards something else arrives in front of me fried and sauced with a side of blue cheese

[Anonymous No.10762219]

>>10762042
The Inuit have adaptations that help them survive on their diet and they still die earlier than most people.

[Anonymous No.10762231]

>>10761397
Marxism is a direct continuation of rationalist thought. It is only through atheistic, "might makes right", subjective morality that you end up with Marxism.

Veganism is a political ideology descended from Marxism and Critical Theory.

[Anonymous No.10762240]

>>10762128
So if a scientist acts responsibly after they find a habit of theirs is massively destructive, they should be immediately disregarded? lol okay.

[Anonymous No.10762250]

>>10762231
It is a huge stretch to say with a straight face that Marxism is any kind of spiritual descendant of 'might makes right.' It is one of the purest forms of slave morality ever manifest

[Anonymous No.10762253]

>>10760676
Replace the meat, dairy, and eggs with a picture of a vegan.

[Anonymous No.10762262]

>>10762240
Would you be skeptical if you found out a climate study was run by someone from Exxon? It's a conflict of interest issue. Especially in light of the significant vegan predilection for moral crusaderism, I find it highly unlikely this guy wasn't fudging numbers like crazy

[Anonymous No.10762263]

>>10761820
Clearly you didn't pay attention to his methodology or you would have noticed the glaring assumptions he makes that practically invalidate his conclusions.

[Anonymous No.10762270]

>>10762231

[Anonymous No.10762281]

>>10760676
Gimme that useless shit. I collect it.

[Anonymous No.10762286]

>>10761820
>if you're not eating food produced within ten feet of where you live you're an eco-nazi and deserve to die
>oh that's completely impractical for anyone who lives in a temperate climate? lol jk, gas-belching airplanes and trucks vital for maintaining my privileged pampered 21st century lifestyle are okay now.

[Anonymous No.10762289]

>>10762250
Not at all. Look at Marx himself and his influences.
Communism isn't a natural state. This is admitted by proponents by the fact that first a totalitarian government must be established to impose the system into the slave population.

[Anonymous No.10762313]

>>10761409
5.25 floppies

[Anonymous No.10762351]

>>10761397
>look at me, I'm in first year
This is hilarious. Objective morality is impossible to prove or disprove. Inter-subjective morality is both practical and easily proved with Occam's Razor.

For example: Murder is Wrong. This is a universally agreed upon statement among individuals because it serves as a buffer for the protection of subjective consciousness. Therefore, to say murder is not wrong is to say it's okay for someone to murder me, and that's a difficult leap in logic for most. The entire argument against this statement are specific cherry picked rationalizations to justify how murder may be right in certain situations. The statement "murder is wrong" in general is a priori reasoning, because it is self evident. You aren't saying protecting is wrong, you aren't saying death is wrong, you're specifically saying that the act of one sentient being terminating another is wrong, which implies wrongness by association.

Then therefore, because intersubjective critique and a priori reasoning can provide meaningful uncomplicated results for the mechanism of morality via Occam's Razor, to say objective morality doesn't exist is a posteriori reasoning because it requires a significant burden of proof that reason can't provide alone. You can't override people's natural impulse on simple statements without context, because it says something fundamental about humanity; we all think we're intrinsically good people. In order for someone to rationalize their "goodness" they need to have an innate concept of goodness, and this is the intersubjective morality, which may as well be objective, because the absolute form of morality is unknowable based on the subjective limits of human conciousness.

Now fuck off to /pol/, read some Kant, and come back when you're ready to have reasonable opinions like a big boy.

[Anonymous No.10762362]

>>10762351
OOOOOOOOOheeeeee look at all my book learning and big words I'm $150,000 deep into debt slavery and i don't have a real person job :)

[Anonymous No.10762386]

>>10762362
Anyone can become literate and informed if they want to. Choosing to be ignorant is your choice, and not one to be proud of if you're self aware enough to understand the implication. Instead of arguing back that the epistemology and tautology of my reasoning is predicated on a language naturally engendered with the concept of good and evil, you literally said "derp buzzword buzzword".

If you're going to be proud of something, be proud that you're articulate and intelligent, in spite of the odds against you. Don't be proud that you shitpost on a Hungarian snake masturbation forum.

[Anonymous No.10762392]

>>10762386
Wow, thanks for the blog post, reddit

[Anonymous No.10762396]

Dime-a-dozen pseudo-Jainists sucking Marx's cock between mouthfuls of imported hale and quinoa that still can't be grown without the mountains of animal products that go into making fertilizer.

[Anonymous No.10762400]

>>10762392
Nope. I'm an OG from something awful. I barely use this particular board. Ironically, your home board is literally a colony for that which you deride. Pot calling the kettle and all that.

[Anonymous No.10762404]

>>10761948
Nigga, I've killed a hundred animals just to make a big salad before.

[Anonymous No.10762415]

>>10762396
Ironically, the act of letting animals rot in the super market is arguably worse than eating them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10762419]

>>10762313
I thought they were kept on "floppies" because we were still using some fucking software that was built around IBM series 1. Yay compatibility.

[Anonymous No.10762430]

>>10762270
So conservative, fundamental babtist are fedoras now?

[Anonymous No.10762463]

>>10762386
>If you're going to be proud of something, be proud that you're articulate and intelligent, in spite of the odds against you.
Proverbs 16:18, Anon. We all know little of the cosmos. You write like an academic but true to form say little of substance. The other anons were right to mock your pedantry

[Anonymous No.10762487]

>>10760676
Yes be vegan enjoy your slave food. Only women livestock and slaves were fed vegan meals. Men were feed meat.

[Anonymous No.10762490]

>>10762463
Other than, you know, calling that guy a tard. Sophistry sounds nice, but turns out you said less than I did with twice as much smug and one tenth the information .

[Anonymous No.10762509]

>>10762490
>twice as much smug and one tenth the information
My new 4chan Gold account bio, thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.10762537]

>>10760676
>typewriter
>useless shit

[Anonymous No.10762592]

>>10762351
>I'm a biology major and only had to follow a two pholosophy courses. One on the history of philosophy during my bachelor and one on the philosophy of ecology during my master.

Now let me try to use my admitedly limited experience in philosophy to pick your argument apart. All morality is in actuality based on memetic evolution, that is to say whatr worked for certain cultures evolved into a cultural norm.

You can suspend a bunch of banana's above a ladder in a chimpanzee habitat and hose down the entire pack of chimps whenever one tries to climb the ladder. Climbing the ladder will soon result in punishment by the group in order to prevent hosings. After a few generations you will have a pack of chimps that will beat ladder climbers without having ever experienced any hosings themselves. This is morality in a nutshell.

As a society we have enshrined morals that increase the success of our society. This does not mean objective morality exists, because objectivity does not exist outside of the STEM fields.

Goodness and objective morality are nothing but spooks. All human action and culture can be reduced to flows of energy and resources and to survival and reproductive success.

To put it bluntly, the only reason killing you is wrong is that it would lead to a cascade of revenge and violence that would undermine the trust and stability that enables society to function. It is irrational to kill you unless you threaten my life or the life of someone who shares enough of my genes that the cost of me killing you does not exceed the benefit x familiarity to the person I'm saving.

[Anonymous No.10762598]

>>10762012
Accurate. Get fucked phoneposter.

[Anonymous No.10762609]

>>10761397
>>10762351
>>10762592
Leave it to the veganism thread to get all the self-absorbed pseudointellectuals crawling out of the woodwork

[Anonymous No.10762628]

>>10760689
All hospitals use pagers. Though it's a small risk cellphones can fuck up readings,set off false alarms,and they can also distract staff. Hospitals are supposed to be about risk minimizimation so no cell phones.

[Anonymous No.10762632]

>>10761923
>Guess people have the right to walk in the streets naked.

Should they not?

[Anonymous No.10762640]

>>10762430
Christfags have been the true fedoras all along.

[Anonymous No.10762664]

>>10762640
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.10762681]

>>10762609
>pseudointellectuals
>biology master

wut?

[Anonymous No.10762693]

>>10762640
>>10762664

*tips*
wtf I love autistic neckbeards now

[Anonymous No.10762713]

>>10762681
>t. STEMlet

[Anonymous No.10762714]

>>10762289
communism is a totalitarian worker-state seizing control and then voluntarily withering away from control. It uses might to enforce it's idea of right, but it doesn't suppose that might itself is what makes things right.

[Anonymous No.10762725]

>>10762714
Do you see any distinction other than semantic between the ethos of the worker-state and Nietzschean slave morality?

[Anonymous No.10762771]

>>10762592
>Biology major has no idea what he's talking about
It's okay anon. He was making a kantian critique of the ethical morality of an action. Saying yadda yadda society undermines your original point because he's saying that rationally you agree with his point through logic "a priori" and to disagree you need proof because he's presenting a logical, rational argument intuitive to reason. What you said is conjecture relative to a scientific reductionist approach to cause an in effect which by it's very nature doesn't care about ethical foundation. Please read more Kant then come back.

He even said the way to argue against him is with the epistimology of language and to critique the logical foundation that has rationalized good and evil as part of the vocabulary. Leave philosophy to those who study and comprehend it, it's like me arguing about the propegation rates of mice; fuck if I know but seems fast.

[Anonymous No.10762793]

>>10762771
Hey everyone, it's Intro Philosophy Anon again. Maybe you ought to increase the density of the following words in your next post
>Kant
>critique
>a priori
>reductionist
>epistomology
That way those in the thread who haven't taken Intro Philosophy will defer to your obvious wisdom. Have you actually read any philosophy, or just excerpts of Kant in your handouts? :^)

[Anonymous No.10762796]

>>10762793
Hey stop making fun of his booklearning ok
He can't help it

[Anonymous No.10762806]

>Veganism
>114 replies and 20 images omitted. Click here to view.

you retarded mother fuckers
instant replies: just add water: the thread

[Anonymous No.10762811]

>>10762806
Nothing wrong with fishing for (You)s

[Anonymous No.10762822]

>>10762811
not blaming OP, i am blaming the rest of the board for giving (You)s

[Anonymous No.10762843]

>>10760725
you were saying?

[Anonymous No.10762878]

>>10760750
>Iomega zip drive
Fuck me I probably still have one of those lying around somewhere.

[Anonymous No.10762886]

>>10762822
He'll just start a new thread.
How else will he spread the gospel of his ideology?

[Anonymous No.10762887]

>>10760676
Hey fuck you my nieces love that loom braid stuff, they always make me a new bracelet each time I visit

[Anonymous No.10762918]

>>10762771
>yeah, so, I don't care if you debunked my argument, you need to read this specific philosopher and argue against me with his specific set of rules put in place, because if you don't u stoopid n I smart

You don't have to read kant to argue against something. Logic needs no PhDs. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10762929]

>>10762771
>>10762918
>Biology major has no idea what he is talking about when he is mentioning the evolutionary origins of morality

Fuck Kant, he was wrong on so many levels with his moral absolutism. Morality is as real as free will. The universe doesn't care, the only thing that is real is the effect morality has on population dynamics.

God you non-STEM "scholars" are tiresome, with your teleological reasoning.

[Anonymous No.10762944]

>>10760770
>>10761518
http://aryanism.net/culture/veganism/

[Anonymous No.10762968]

>>10762219
What adaptations and how much earlier?

[Anonymous No.10762991]

So I tried eating vegan for 2 weeks and now I'm considering it full time. Here's why: I got to eat like twice the amount of food for the same amount of calories.

Seriously, I ate 2 veggie burgers to get the calories of one regular burger.

But isthere such a thing as vegan chocolate bars? Not plain chcoclate but like a vegan snickers or reese's peanutbutter cup or something?

[Anonymous No.10763028]

>>10761518
>your gay little fashwave is embarassing bro
hitler was a bleeding-heart vegetarian

[Anonymous No.10763037]

>132 replies
might as well tell you to kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10763046]

>>10762991
My vegan sister makes her own with coconut oil and a fruit and nut mixture as filling. I tried them and thought they tasted bad, but that's probably because I am not a fan of dark chocolate.

Honestly you could probably find plenty of milkless dark chocolates out there somewhere.

[Anonymous No.10763238]

>>10762991
Go Max Go makes awesome candy bars (only one I wouldn't recommend is the 2fer one). And Sjaak's makes the absolute best chocolates - try the melk chocolate with orange caramel.

[Anonymous No.10763258]

>>10762991
the only thing I don't eat vegan is the odd chocolate bar or donut. the vegan donuts ive had sucked. and i havent found a vegan chocolate bar besides pure dark chocolate.

[Anonymous No.10763278]

>>10763258
GoMaxGo candy bars and Sjaak's. You're welcome.

Also, Whole Foods makes good vegan donuts if you live near one. Then you can always make your own. Or if you have money to spend, order from here: https://store.veganessentials.com/freshly-baked-goods-c161.aspx

[Anonymous No.10763312]

>>10763278
my canadian whole foods only has vegan cake slices.

but they did have some nice little one dollar vegan chocolate bars the last time i went.

[Anonymous No.10763429]

>>10762793
>>10762929
>>10762918
>no philosophy argues philosophy
>derps
>conversation devolves into shit flinging
I mean Kant is a fuck, but this doesn't help you brainlets at all. It's like saying conciousness exists in the brain. Rationality might suggest that's where it originates, but there is no tangible proof that this is the locus for rational thought on a biological level, so it's just guys throwing bananas and apples at each other without speaking the same language.

[Anonymous No.10764024]

>>10760676
Decent bait. I'd actually have gone less words and made it shorter. Either way, enjoy your 250+ responses

[Anonymous No.10765583]

>>10760676
> much more logical a vegan lifestyle is.
1 - I like meat
2 - Therefore I eat meat
Seems pretty logical to me

[Anonymous No.10765797]

>>10761820
>reducing carbon
>get rid of what plants need to breath
>pants die and we dont get oxygen
>we all suffocate because some hippies became vegan

[Anonymous No.10765802]

>>10762843
Criminally underrated post

[Anonymous No.10765810]

>>10762991
>So I tried eating vegan for 2 weeks and now I'm considering it full time.
>Here's why: I got to eat like twice the amount of food for the same amount of calories.
Wow that's absolutely degenerate. By the same logic you might as well get into bulimia too

[Anonymous No.10765811]

>>10765797
>pants die
Eat my shorts, dude

[Anonymous No.10766299]

>>10760676

[Anonymous No.10766311]

>>10766299
>Over 50 hard and soft woods to build your home out of
>But you chose to build it with stone
This isnt making an arguement, like most of the vegan threads it makes an assumption and works from there. Dont you have anything that doesnt rely on absurd reductionism or "studies" that crumple under 5 minutes of scrutiny?

[Anonymous No.10766358]

>>10760676
Is it? I have a hard time looking for vegetarian dishes to make so the ones I do are few and far between.
>beans and rice
>meatless spaghetti
>buttered noodles
>meatless alfredo
>mac and cheese

[Anonymous No.10766394]

>>10766299
Good luck eating all that shit with your diet restrictions, I bet you can't even digest a sweet potato anymore. I can whatever I want though, all 70,000 plants and every single animal from Noah's Ark. I'll eat the whole fucking world while you starve down to soiboi status. Enjoy your nutrient deficiencies.

[Anonymous No.10766693]

>>10766358
Here you go: www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals

I recommend trying tofu saag. No offense but your diet sounds pretty boring. Where do you live? You can probably also find products like Gardein, Just Mayo, Beyond Burgers, Daiya, etc. to make the dishes you already eat vegan.

Then there are tons of convenience foods that happen to be vegan, just read the ingredients and watch out for things that might not obviously be non-vegan like whey, gelatin, carmine, cochineal, and vitamin D3.

[Anonymous No.10766708]

based

[Anonymous No.10766711]

>>10765797
>need to breath
>pants die

[Anonymous No.10766724]

>>10766311
>>10766394

[Anonymous No.10766770]

>>10761409
>nuclear codes are kept on floppy because it's unhackable

[Anonymous No.10766780]

>>10760676
I just ate eggs and cereal for breakfast. Sorry

[Anonymous No.10766787]

>>10760676
Vegans aren't cooks they forget about the enormous world of flavors animals give us
I want to be a chef, and lucky asians aren't as stupid as you retards, so if i can't find meat in my country ill literally move, why are you even on /ck?
Honestly this used to be a cooking board.

[Anonymous No.10766806]

>>10760723
>Any tips on how I can make progress towards veganism?

Become an rational ethical eater who isn't trapped by vegan tribalism but instead considers their eating strictly from the point of view of consequences to increasing suffering. With this viewpoint, some animal meat is allowed.

Mollusks probably don't feel pain. Their nervous system is simple
https://sentientist.org/2013/05/20/the-ethical-case-for-eating-oysters-and-mussels/
Hunted meat is ethical as it is suffering-netural. A wild animal will almost certainly meet a painful death in nature due to being eaten by a predator or starving to death due to injury or disease. So, an animal being killed by hunter won't increase the net suffering of animals. Also, an important point is that wild animals will exist whether or not we choose to hunt them. No animal life is being created by humans merely to die and be eaten by us. We choose to allow nature to create animal life with all its beauty but also suffering. Eating wild animals is ethical as long as you're not torturing them more than nature would.

[Anonymous No.10766920]

>>10766806
>With this viewpoint, some animal meat is allowed.

No it isn't. You're either deliberately or through ignorance, missing some crucial issues.

Extinction. The fact that you absolutely don't need to eat the flesh of animals and going out of your way to do so is ridiculous. Why the fuck do meat eaters insist on doing backflips to try to rationalize their habits? You think someone should get a hunting license, buy a gun, learn how to gut an animal, buy a large freezer to store it, spend the gas money to get to an area where hunting is allowed, etc., all while they could eat something better for them that also tastes better with a simple trip to the grocery store, just because you want so badly to be right in your choices.

Let it go and grow up.

[Anonymous No.10766929]

>>10766920
>you absolutely don't need to eat the flesh of animals and going out of your way to do so is ridiculous

It's not going out of your way. Meat is necessary for optimal health. Human health is a good enough reason to consume some animals, since humans are number one in priority.

[Anonymous No.10766930]

>>10766920
Also, taking animals from their families, and the fact that it's fucking gross and meat is inherently carcinogenic. Stop trying so hard to find a right way to do the wrong thing.

[Anonymous No.10766933]

>>10766299
>most people want to eat the flesh of dead animals
I'd eat more live animals if I could. I had San-nakji (산낙지) in Seoul and it was one of the best dishes I've ever had

[Anonymous No.10766937]

>>10766394
>I bet you can't even digest a sweet potato anymore
What did he mean by this, do vegans lose their ability to digest over time?

[Anonymous No.10766942]

>>10766929
That's completely false but I understand why you would think that since most of us have been brainwashed by the meat industry all our lives to think that.

I've been vegan for 9 years and I'm the healthiest I've ever been. I cured my anemia, stabilized my weight, my hair and nails are healthier, and I'm much, much more energetic. I also no longer have the chronic brain fog I had when I was a meat eater. Also immediately cured my chronic nausea. Some of this might be due to an undiagnosed allergy to some animal product or products but the point still stands that my health is certainly not suffering.

[Anonymous No.10766952]

>>10766937
It's pretty pointless to try to make sense of the desperate leaps in logic of defensive meat eaters. Don't worry about it. Either they're a troll or they spend way too much time listening to Alex Jones podcasts.

[Anonymous No.10766956]

>>10766952
>desperate leaps in logic of defensive meat eaters

[Anonymous No.10766981]

>>10766942
>That's completely false

Lierre Keith would disagree.

>most of us have been brainwashed by the meat industry

And some of us have been brainwashed by vegan tribalism. While I can believe that you've found the right diet for your body and that happens to be vegan, I don't think the majority of people will do well on it. Again, Lierre Keith's experience with a vegan diet would be the opposite single person's anecdote to yours. You can't think that a single diet can make everyone healthy.

I value humans more than animals. I also think that becoming healthier body-wise can also help some people become healthier ethics-wise. Consider the mental distress that your body caused you before you found the diet that made you healthy again. I think a person has a lot better chance of deciding to expend effort to make the world a better place, if they're not suffering all the time. Animal suffering should be minized but human suffering comes first. Unhealthy diet is definitely a major cause for a lot of human suffering today and I don't think everyone going vegan would change that enough. Everyone who needs meat in their diet should be allowed it, which I suspect is a major portion of everyone.

[Anonymous No.10766983]

>>10766724
Ill take that as a "no"

[Anonymous No.10766999]

>>10766981
lmao that bitch has been debunked so many times I'm about to cry from laughter. One of her arguments is that humans can't digest grass because of the cellulose. I feel like I shouldn't even have to explain the many levels of retarded within that claim. Please stop reading blogs from unqualified nutters, 4chan. Please.

[Anonymous No.10767008]

>>10766981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMuxgAbHgJA

[Anonymous No.10767216]

>>10767008
>health as an argument for veganism

We're on a cooking board >>>/fit/ is thatw way.

[Anonymous No.10767224]

>>10767008
>health as an argument for veganism

We're on a cooking board >>>/fit/ is that way.

[Anonymous No.10767231]

>>10760676
>obvious bait thread
>169 replies and counting
/ck/ is the stupidest board

[Anonymous No.10767243]

>>10760676
I require a particular set of macros in order to meet the demands placed on my body by my work and general lifestyle. Veganism cannot provide these nutrients in a reasonable volume, I don't do much dairy, but meat and eggs are absolutely necessary.

[Anonymous No.10767265]

>>10767231
Tell me about it. The worst ones are the threads that are just
>basic ass question
>OP image is a hot girl
>every subsequent post is faggots arguing over whether or not the girl is hot
And it works like clockwork every single time.

[Anonymous No.10767298]

>>10760676
Actually your whole premise is a myth. It’s better for the land to have animals roaming around eating plants and dropping seeds covered in manure that is rich in nutrients for them and they grow rather than trying to turn all the ground crops. Crops aren’t the natural order of things as God designed it. You have to work the land to get crops and maintain them. Animals will eat plants on their own in the wild, poop out their seeds, and new plants grow.

[Anonymous No.10767316]

>>10766999
>One of her arguments is that humans can't digest grass because of the cellulose
>>10767008
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMuxgAbHgJA

Yea, she went overboard with her anti-veganism and started shooting whatever she could find. Quitting one tribe and joining another. I mentioned her as an example of someone getting sick from eating vegan. She's not the only one of course.
The crucial statistic missing from this conversation is what is exactly is the proportion of people who get sick on a vegan diet. Would 95% of people be fine on it? Or is it way less than that? Is it just people not being diligent enough to make sure their nutrition intake and absorption is good enough? I have the impression this is a concern that applies to veganism more than other diets.
A vegan diet shouldn't be recommended to people who're too inept to be able to be healthy on it. And about 20% of people are below 90 IQ. Well, they might fuck up just about any diet you instruct them to do. Attempting veganism causing them to become malnourished wouldn't be a fault of the diet. If vegan food became the only option available, these kinds of people would need to be hand-fed with food prepared by others, assuming we won't allow anyone to suffer from malnutrition.

[Anonymous No.10767403]

>>10760809
im doing it because the buddha suggests i oughta

[Anonymous No.10767545]

[Anonymous No.10767643]

>>10760724
>animal products in moderation
that’s the real key

vegans are extremists

average fat americans eating fast food daily are also extremists
and they both think there is nothing in between

most of us need to eat less meat, not zero meat.

[Anonymous No.10767652]

>>10760723
kill yourself

then you won't be eating any meat

pure unadulterated veganism

[Anonymous No.10768108]

>>10767316
But she admitted she was never vegan... You obviously didn't watch the video because it goes over this.

[Anonymous No.10768159]

>>10767224
>Meat eater uses health as an argument against veganism
>Vegan destroys their argument and shows that vegan diets are healthier

Oh my gooood, vegans won't shut up about health! No one cares. Fuck off!

[Anonymous No.10768847]

I'm vegan already

[Anonymous No.10768930]

>>10768847
This. I'll probably stop once lab grown meat becomes cheap enough because I don't have anything against meat, just factory farms and am too much of a poorfag to support local ethical farms

[Anonymous No.10768970]

>>10760676
Only Atheists can be Vegan; if you believe in God then you believe that he left animals and plants alike for humans to consume

[Anonymous No.10769207]

>>10760676
lol gay

[Anonymous No.10769350]

Is there a non-left wing, non-attention whore variation of veganism that I could try?

[Anonymous No.10769357]

>>10760676
I wish I had a typewriter

[Anonymous No.10769390]

>>10769350
Pescatarian. It's like vegetarianism but you can eat seafood. Lots of professional athletes, actors, and CEOs are pescatarian. It's also officially not recognized as vegetarianism so if you talk about it in public, you won't end up the unwilling bukkake recipient in a vegan/vegetarianism circlejerk.

[Anonymous No.10769436]

>>10769350
Just don't be a lefty and don't talk about it

[Anonymous No.10769441]

>>10760676
We have improvements over the rest of those things. Meat can't be replaced with """meat""".

[Anonymous No.10769447]

>>10760676
What's a good guide to start eating less meat? Want to be vegetarian in the future but I barely started eating more veggies last year, and I don't enjoy a lot eating some vegetables without meat but at least I'm happy that I started to enjoy eating them in a way

[Anonymous No.10769458]

>>10769447
Learn recipes and try different fruits, vegetables, legumes, nut mixes, milks, and everything else.

[Anonymous No.10769496]

>>10766806
This

>>10766920
So would you instead cut down every nearby forest to grow your kale, then would you drain the lakes to water you precious almond trees? Unless you have a stomach that can digest grass I think you're deliberately or through ignorance missing some crucial issues. There are also many things that absolutely don't need to eat flesh, should we make plant based protein pastes to feed grizzlies? If you feel like playing the (nature vs human) or (smart vs dumb) card get your head out of your ass. You are an animal, one that evolved to eat just about anything it could get it's hands on. Should you eat burgers and steak for every meal, no, but sustaining ourselves from any ethical source is all we can do at this point. That doesn't even touch on the food culture that you would split down the middle to fit your weak and self-praising mindset. Take away the veggies that hundreds of man hours and tanks of fuel have delivered to your air conditioned grocery store and see how well you fare grazing off weeds.

[Anonymous No.10769522]

>>10769447
It's okay to be gradual anon. Do you eat a lot of processed/shitty foods? I would say start by eliminating those, it'll change your palate and you will likely enjoy veggies more on their own.

Eating leaner meats (poultry for example) will also be a good (and healthier) change to make, as well as looking for and incorporating vegetables that provide the umami that meat tends to give to you. Legumes and mushrooms as well as tomatoes are good sources just off the top of my head.

Otherwise and overall, the best way to adjust to any sort of dietary change is gradually. I taught myself to like mushrooms by starting with mushroom broth, then incorporating finely minced mushrooms into my dishes, then working my way from there at my comfort. I worked similarly with raw tomatoes.

Hope this helps to whatever capacity. Remember, your health is the most important thing, so if you are seriously considering going vegetable based then make sure that you are hitting not only your macro goals but your micro goals as well.

Additionally, I'd suggest looking into vegetable medley-type dishes: if you like indian cooking then curries are a great way to eat vegetarian, and a go-to for me is vegetable chili. If you don't like eating vegetables without meat then just put so many vegetables together that you can't tell that there isn't meat. Those umami veggies I spoke of earlier will help greatly with this endeavor.

[Anonymous No.10769530]

>>10760738
I could watch a billion fish be disemboweled live and not give a fuck. I feel nothing for non-mammals.

[Anonymous No.10769542]

>>10769350
Hitler was a vegetarian.

[Anonymous No.10769543]

>>10760676
SHOVE YOUR FUCKING VEGANISM UP YOUR ASS, FUCKING COCK SMOKING NIGGER FAGGOT GRASS EATING MORONS I AM NEVER, NEVER EVER GOING TO STOP EATING MEAT AND CERTAINLY WOULD NOT STOP BECASE OF A FUCKING MORONIC POST ON 4CHAN. DIE OF GONORHEA AND ROT IN HELL

[Anonymous No.10769561]

>>10769543
>edgelord

[Anonymous No.10769568]

>>10761409
That's why all my altcoin wallets are on floppies

[Anonymous No.10769581]

>>10769530
If you eat carbon-based life forms, you're pretty much a cannibal

[Anonymous No.10770174]

>>10769543
Cringe

[Anonymous No.10770272]

>>10769350
I know lots of conservative vegans. Doesn't make sense to me since Republicans are often responsible for legislation that harms animals, but they exist.

[Anonymous No.10770279]

>>10769447
www.pinterest.com/vfortheanimals

[Anonymous No.10770284]

>>10770272
It does make sense. A two party democratic system is simply incapable of adequately representing any individual view.

[Anonymous No.10770290]

I don't consider non-humans to be moral actors. All your arguments are invalid.

[Anonymous No.10770378]

>>10766693
I said vegetarian, not vegan.

[Anonymous No.10770412]

>>10760681
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10770420]

>>10770378
Yeah but that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.10770638]

>>10760676
I love meat, but if we could lab grow meat that was competitievly affordable, stable, and as quality as true meat, without genetic consequences, I'd be completely down to adopt it to limit the meat industrys suffering. Sadly I'm not sure this will happen in this lifetime.

[Anonymous No.10770654]

>>10770638
It has a very strong possibility of happening in this lifetime, but they'll never be able to test it adequately in this lifetime to make sure. So the real question is whether you'll have the balls to take a chance on it.

[Anonymous No.10770933]

[Anonymous No.10771170]

The Slate article about oysters ends with this about Peter Singer:
>Peter Singer, for his part, showed some flexibility when I emailed him about this piece. “I’ve gone back and forth on this over the years,” he said. “Perhaps there is a scintilla more doubt about whether oysters can feel pain than there is about plants, but I’d see it as extremely improbable. So while you could give them the benefit of the doubt, you could also say that unless some new evidence of a capacity for pain emerges, the doubt is so slight that there is no good reason for avoiding eating sustainably produced oysters.”

So, there is tiny amount of doubt whether plants actually feel pain. I don't think they do but, if you were familiar with all the evidence, you couldn't with good conscience claim 100% certainty with the statement that plants don't feel pain. Oysters have just a bit more doubt than that regarding this issue. If Peter Singer, the icon for the movement for living ethically and sustainably, considers this level of doubt acceptable, then we should too. It's important to make the ethical eating diet as inclusive as we can. The more inclusive it is, the more people can be convinced to follow. It should be obvious that to achieve maximum results in changing humanity's way of living toward being more ethical and sustainable you should take every advantage you can get.
Denying oysters from people considering but not convinced to switch to a vegan diet would be foolish. It only shows that the person arguing for the strictest version of veganism isn't actually so concerned with achieving real results in bettering the world but only in maintaining their vegan-tribe identity and not allowing anyone to deviate from that.

[Anonymous No.10771227]

>>10760676

Why in the hell you have to be 100% vegan, why not 80-90 %? You are refusing ethical stuff like game meat or meat raised in good conditions. You are fucking fundamentalist idiots.

[Anonymous No.10771567]

>>10771227
>vegans
>unreasonable idiots

STOP THE PRESSES

[Anonymous No.10772026]

>>10769522
Thanks a lot, going to keep a screenshot of this post fampai

[Anonymous No.10772611]

>>10766930
>animals have rights

[Anonymous No.10772612]

>>10769350
Vegetarianism for well being, not pseudo ethical reasons. Potatoes shiver too before they are killed. (Srs)

[Anonymous No.10772636]

>>10760676

[Anonymous No.10772645]

>>10772636
What is this supposed to suggest? Apples vs liver is a terrible comparison and I'm not even vegan.

[Anonymous No.10772738]

>>10760676
>loom bands

why did you feel the need to take a jab at them?

[Anonymous No.10772758]