Wine

[Anonymous No.10756377]

Why would anyone buy a non French wine? The new world wines are an absolute joke and the rest of Europe doesn't even come close. The Italians have been making wine for millennia yet never managed to produce anything close to a Grand Cru.

[Anonymous No.10756389]

>>10756377
Do they degrade the label on purpose? I have books that are several times older than those bottles and they don't look anywhere near that fucked.

[Anonymous No.10756392]

>can't even get the labels to stick
How am i supposed to trust what's inside? No. I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.10756395]

>>10756377
Budget. Local availability.

[Anonymous No.10756409]

>>10756389
>Do they degrade the label on purpose?
I doubt it.
But the ideal humidity for cellaring wine is not exactly conducive to the labels lasting a long time.

[Anonymous No.10756475]

>>10756395
what exactly is your budget? You can still buy a good Saint Emilion for about €12 in Germany, cheaper by the case.

[Anonymous No.10756483]

>>10756377
>The Italians have been making wine for millennia yet never managed to produce anything close to a Grand Cru.
What is a super Tuscan?

[Anonymous No.10756491]

>>10756377
>The Italians have been making wine for millennia
I can assure you, they haven't.

[Anonymous No.10756495]

>>10756483
>What is a super Tuscan?
Nothing super about it but the name.

[Anonymous No.10756507]

>>10756495
Making a classic Bordeaux blend even more food friendly through the addition of a little Sangiovese is kind of brilliant.

[Anonymous No.10756518]

>>10756491
They were making wine long before they were called Italians.

[Anonymous No.10756523]

>>10756377
Because Spanish wines are better and less pretentious, esp Riojas.

[Anonymous No.10756525]

Napa valley called and said your a faggot

[Anonymous No.10756531]

>>10756525
*you're

[Anonymous No.10756533]

>>10756531
no u

[Anonymous No.10756535]

>>10756377
Which is why French companies are buying into these New World markets... because it’s such terrible wines.

[Anonymous No.10756538]

>>10756507
> Ruining a glorious Bordeaux is kind of brilliant

[Anonymous No.10756578]

>>10756377
For me, it's Barefoot White Zinfandel.

[Anonymous No.10756608]

>>10756578
Are you a lady

[Anonymous No.10756613]

>>10756608
Yes, lady(boy)

[Anonymous No.10756617]

>>10756608
I have a fucking foot fetish

[Anonymous No.10756630]

Flavor variety. A Merlot from California has stronger fruit notes than a Merlot from France so it might pair better with certain dishes. Wines from South America have a certain spiciness to them so they pair well with spicy dishes.

[Anonymous No.10756653]

>>10756377
>try to buy a french wine with name recognition that's a few years old
>that'll be $3,000 dollars

meanwhile aged wines from all around the world rarely peek over $1,000
and I fucking love french wine, I'm just poor

[Anonymous No.10756667]

>>10756377
How is Spain "new world" you pretentious cunt?

[Anonymous No.10756668]

>>10756523
Spanish wine fans tend to be either really uninformed or very wine savvy, rarely in the middle

[Anonymous No.10756671]

>>10756578
This is a bit too sweet

[Anonymous No.10756675]

>>10756653
But France makes the best inexpensive wines in the world
New World wines under $30 are mediocre at best

[Anonymous No.10756678]

>>10756608
Nope, I just like to drink fizzy alcoholic fruit juice.

>>10756671
The little bit of carbonation really makes all the difference.

[Anonymous No.10756679]

>>10756653
Nobody buys 3K bottles unless on a corporate function or such like. 1K would get you a 6 bottles case of excellent French wine which you can then age yourself.

[Anonymous No.10756684]

>>10756668
I don't know what to call it except experience, I don't and have never cared what random people that I don't know think.

[Anonymous No.10756687]

>>10756675
>New World wines under $30 are mediocre at best
This.

[Anonymous No.10756688]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I care what some frenchie thinks of me.

[Anonymous No.10756696]

In France, is allowed to add water to wine.

Nobody can complete with spanish or italian wines.

//Thread Closed//

[Anonymous No.10756757]

>>10756696
>Nobody can complete with spanish or italian wives in super nagging.
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.10756762]

>>10756684
If you’re not also drinking penedes and ribera del duero and xeres I’d say your esteem for rioja has more to do with what’s on special at tesco and less about r. lopez de heredia and so on

[Anonymous No.10756774]

>>10756762
>>10756684
Could we just skip this painful discussion about Rioja. Rioja is your typical "cheap" bottle of red. It is never offered in good restaurants and it barely makes the menu of any decent wine bar. Why ever bother.

[Anonymous No.10756785]

>>10756377
Nice bait.

>>10756389
You have wine from 1850? Nice LARP.

>>10756395
This.

[Anonymous No.10756791]

>>10756687
Speak for yourself, burger.

[Anonymous No.10756805]

>>10756757

[Anonymous No.10756812]

Daily sommelier angry wank thread. The only thing that comes close is whiskyfags complaining about ice cubes melting

[Anonymous No.10756819]

>>10756774
t.Chinaman who drinks what will impress his non-hukou friends
>>10756791
Aussie wine is garbage, including the New Zealand shit

[Anonymous No.10756827]

>>10756377
Swabia decimates France in still whites, Austria takes dessert wines (shit category i grant), N. American rainforest does better merlot and Arizona/Argentina does a better malbec and possibly cabernet.
Your move, frog.

[Anonymous No.10756837]

>>10756827
>argie ‘bec
>good
this is a joke, right?

[Anonymous No.10756845]

>>10756687
The Apothic series, Federalist, Bon Terra, 19 Crimes, and Coppola would like a word.

[Anonymous No.10756863]

>>10756827
> still whites

[Anonymous No.10756864]

>>10756837
I like Altos and another whose name escapes me, in particular.

[Anonymous No.10756869]

>>10756863
German riesling shits all over methode champagnoise wines

[Anonymous No.10756882]

>>10756863
>>10756869
This. If you can find a Riesling that is on the bitter end, you have basically the perfect white wine that isn't a smokey Chardonney.

[Anonymous No.10756900]

>>10756882
>Chardonnay
>Best French white wine
Chablis would like a word.

[Anonymous No.10756919]

>>10756882
>>10756869
What do you guys mean, a german riesling with secondary fermentation?

[Anonymous No.10756932]

>>10756845
this is going in my cringe folder

[Anonymous No.10756934]

>>10756900
>Chablis
Had exactly one, was ok.
Not mediocre, its just the lack of market penetration really limits the appeal.
I've had a dozen merlots, and a half dozen cabernets, pino grigios, blends, malbecs and champagnes, that I would consider extraordinary. I've had the one chablis.

[Anonymous No.10756937]

i like riesling

[Anonymous No.10756942]

>>10756932
cool shit pleb

[Anonymous No.10756953]

>>10756377
Cuz it comes in a 5L bag and costs $12

[Anonymous No.10756963]

All you wine snobs can't tell your ass from your elbow as proven by wine fraudster Rudy Kurniawan. The doc Sour Grapes shows him ripping off wine enthusiasts by selling them cheap garbage in fancy, old bottles adn none of these morons can tell the diffference between a $100 bottle and a $10,000 bottle.

This is actually interesting to read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Kurniawan

[Anonymous No.10756982]

>>10756900
Chablis is mostly chardonnay anyway, fool.

[Anonymous No.10756995]

>>10756963
I think it's a well accepted fact in wine circles that ridiculously expensive wines have overwhelmingly far more to do with prestige than quality.

[Anonymous No.10756998]

>>10756963
>proven by wine fraudster
>proven
>by a fraudster
You're not making sense, anon.

[Anonymous No.10757004]

>>10756919
No, Champagne is a white. There may be some pink or grey wine in there but it's mostly white.

[Anonymous No.10757017]

>not having fried chicken with Spanish Rosé

[Anonymous No.10757025]

>>10757004
I’m even more confused now
What does that have to do with my question?
What is the “no” in response to?

[Anonymous No.10757032]

>>10756982
>Chablis is mostly chardonnay anyway, fool.
Chardonnay are the grapes, Chablis is the town around which the Chablis wine is exclusively produced.

[Anonymous No.10757033]

>>10756934
>naming a bunch of varietal wines then an AOC
you sure you had a chablis and not one of those california fake chablis?

[Anonymous No.10757037]

>>10756963
>and as if by magic the flyover appears
Like clockwork, anon.
Predictable to the last.

[Anonymous No.10757043]

>>10756963
He was the J.B. Vuillaume of wine, it’s too bad he wasted his talents

[Anonymous No.10757055]

>>10757025
I thought the question sort of implied that Riesling and Champagne are incomparable because they have different levels of CO2 in them.

>>10757032
You're the one that disagreed that French Chardonnay wasn't as good as Chablis while Chablis is mostly Chardonnay anyway.

[Anonymous No.10757061]

>>10756998
He was only caught due to inconsistencies in wine bottle appearance and numbers of certain bottles sold. No one ever drank his counterfeit wine and said "this is not what I bought"

[Anonymous No.10757068]

>>10757055
Well, yeah. One is a grape and one is an AOC designation. It’s like comparing electricity to long division. What’s the point? Furthermore what was all that about red vs white wine? I feel like I’m talking to lazily programmed AI.

[Anonymous No.10757070]

>>10757055
>You're the one that disagreed that French Chardonnay wasn't as good as Chablis while Chablis is mostly Chardonnay anyway.
Chardonnay is just a variety of grapes. You can grow it in bloody Congo for all I care. French chardonnay wine is meaningless without stating the region where the wine is grown.

[Anonymous No.10757082]

>>10757068
>I feel like I’m talking to lazily programmed AI.
My fucking sides!

[Anonymous No.10757124]

>>10756377
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

It all tastes good

[Anonymous No.10757132]

>>10756785
>You have wine from 1850? Nice LARP.
learn to read, you literal retard.

[Anonymous No.10757138]

>>10756995
This is correct.

[Anonymous No.10757173]

>>10756377
All of European wines are high quality, from Italy, Spain, Greece, and there's even a microclimatic zone in Germany were they grow vines with which they make a high quality wine

[Anonymous No.10757213]

>>10757068
>I feel like I'm talking to a lazily programmed AI
Fucking roasted

[Anonymous No.10757217]

>>10757068
Are you talking about Chablis vs Chardonnay or Champagne vs Riesling? No idea what you're on about with Red vs White debate.

>>10757070
Depends on how much intervention is done on the wine. You can grow Chardonnay to taste like Chardonnay, not the terroir.

>>10757132
The youngest wine there is 44 years old so if you have a wine several times older it would have to be at least from 1886.

[Anonymous No.10757262]

>>10757217
>You can grow Chardonnay to taste like Chardonnay
Chardonnay is a fucking meme by now. They grow it all over the planet from Australia to Chile. I was specifically stating that Chablis is an excellent French white wine, not just any Chardonnay. What's so hard to fathom.

[Anonymous No.10757273]

>>10757262
>Chablis is an excellent French white wine, not just any Chardonnay.
This is true.

[Anonymous No.10757316]

>>10756845
I love Apothic Red.
It's my go to wine for all occasions.

[Anonymous No.10757525]

>>10757262
>What's so hard to fathom
Nothing. It's just that when you put it like that, it sounded like you thought that Chablis wasn't commonly made out of Chardonnay.

[Anonymous No.10757533]

What's everyone's opinions on wines intentionally made with brett and volatile acidity?

[Anonymous No.10757576]

>>10757525
>Chablis wasn't commonly made out of Chardonnay.
You have to differentiate between real Chablis from France, which is made from Chardonnay and American wines sold as "Chablis", which are usually generic white wine blends. Some folks are unaware there's a difference.

[Anonymous No.10757581]

>>10757217
You said “german riesling beats champagne”. I asked what you meant and you replied with a bunch of comments about champagne being white wine and sometimes pink. It seems as if you’re generating grammatically correct but contextually inappropriate replies by querying a database of random wine facts. While occasionally adding a statement that resembles a value judgment or subjective opinion which turns out to be totally incomprehensible when viewed in sequence with the rest of your posts. Are you human?

[Anonymous No.10757582]

>>10757576
To be honest, I'm an Australian and I wasn't even aware that was a thing. I know you commonly call sparkling wine over there 'Champagne', so I guess that makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10757638]

>>10757581
I've been replying to multiple people which I suppose adds to the confusion.

All I meant to mean is that I have on average much better experiences on average with German Riesling vs Champagne. German Riesling produces a lot more reliably solid wine as well, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.10757686]

>>10757582
Misusing legally protected names has been a thing in the American wine business., particularly on the low end stuff. Probably started out as an attempt to ride the coattails of famous French designations. But to this day you can buy California Chablis, Champagne and Burgundy. The wines have nothing to do with those names beyond being sold under them as if there were generic designations. Fun fact: so much bad, cheap white wine has been sold as Chablis in the US that the name is a little tarnished among those who have never tasted the real thing.

[Anonymous No.10757851]

>>10757686
tbqh real chablis is acidic as hell, I understand that it's the style but it fucking wears me out

[Anonymous No.10757943]

>>10757638
I like mosel riesling too, but I don’t consider it any more a competitor to champagne than port vs burgundy

That’s why I asked if you were talking about a different expression of riesling than what normally is assumed when someone mentions german riesling

[Anonymous No.10757971]

>>10757686
Same in the US cheese business

[Anonymous No.10758013]

>>10757851
I find a Macon-Villages more gentle on the palate and the wallet when it's time to drink Chardonnay from Burgundy.

[Anonymous No.10758061]

>>10757971
As a Dutchman, Vermont "Gouda" offends me.

[Anonymous No.10758072]

>>10758061
Also, it's pronounced ghow-da, not goo-da.

[Anonymous No.10758186]

>>10758061
It's a thing in the US to take European legally protected designations and use them as generic names.

[Anonymous No.10758217]

>>10756377
>went to meet a girl in france and her family
>parents are pretty picky about wines
>decide to take an "exotic" wine as a gift
>but decide to do it really cheap
>end up buying a 1,70 euro Australian Shiraz from Lidl

they actually enjoy the wine lmao

[Anonymous No.10758253]

>>10758217
they’re being nice because your sense of worth is at stake. if things get serious they’ll open up and speak frankly about wine

[Anonymous No.10758300]

>>10756608

are you a carpenter?

[Anonymous No.10758351]

so did everyone in this thread waste 2 grand on somelleier school so they could hit on middle aged wives getting blasted on relabeled barefoot on the wine train

[Anonymous No.10758356]

>>10757851
Wines like that you drink with food though. Same with muscadet sevre et maine, or savannieres

[Anonymous No.10758400]

>>10758351
Did the faggots in the beer threads waste 2 grand on cicerone certifications so they could go to the local glory hole and get sucked off by a bearded dude while screeching about how they would never touch a beer made with citra hops because it's totally outdated now?

Does everything related to alcoholic beverages boil down to a ridiculous, sex-related straw man?

[Anonymous No.10758405]

>>10757124
>.m.
Typical judgment of paris poster

[Anonymous No.10758466]

>>10757533
Is there such a thing? I assume those are just unintended byproducts of the "natural wine" craze, like, you're supposed to pretend to like VA and brett funk because if you don't Alice Feiring will crawl out of your iPad and lecture you about the dangers of Robert Parker

[Anonymous No.10758482]

>>10756377
because some people like wine because of its taste and not because some ancient meme told them what to drink

kys

[Anonymous No.10758593]

>>10757851
>tbqh real chablis is acidic as hell
more acid than average yes but you are supposed to drink it aged. The acidity goes away and the flavours become deeper and more balanced.

[Anonymous No.10759827]

>>10757686
>Misusing legally protected names has been a thing in the American wine business.
Oh it's far worse elsewhere. Belorussians refer to pic related monstrosity as literal "wine".

[Anonymous No.10759853]

>>10759827
Looks like Boone’s Farm flavors. Based Belarus.

[Anonymous No.10760529]

>>10758466
I mean as a beer drinker I enjoy brett and volatile acidity, so I don't know why they can't be present and enjoyable in wine too.

[Anonymous No.10760554]

>>10756409
Why not? Low humidity and low temperature is great for paper.

[Anonymous No.10760588]

oh but I do

[Anonymous No.10760661]

>>10756389
Try adhering the pages of your books to glass, store them in some dirty old cellar for several decades, and shift them around every couple of year

[Anonymous No.10760685]

>>10760661
Which part of that degraded the label exactly?

[Anonymous No.10760749]

>>10760588
I am French and I had several hangovers caused by la villageoise

[Anonymous No.10760767]

>>10760529
I can't read Chernobyl, what does it say? Why is it bad? Because it's not made from grapes?

[Anonymous No.10760827]

>>10760588
Why do Europoors put their alcohol in plastic bottles? As a Leaf I've never seen that done here even once

[Anonymous No.10760829]

>>10760827
That's the cheapest wine you can find here. It's sold in tetrapaks or plastic bottles. It's used for cooking.

[Anonymous No.10760837]

>>10760827
Lots of Canadian whiskies come in plastic bottles, mutt.

[Anonymous No.10760840]

>>10760767
>>10760529
>>10759827
Oops, replied to wrong post. Don't talk to me before I've had my coffee. Shhh. Now you may speak.
>>10760529
As for this, it's just a matter of convention, brett and VA are "considered" faults, so by definition most people assume they weren't intended to be there. I'm not aware of anyone making a point of having them, when they occur and people don't automatically dismiss the wine, it's usually the natural wine crowd, it's just backlash against over-engineered wines that dominate the inexpensive parts of the store, the Kraft Singles version of wine. And you don't really find them in high end natural wines, just the $11 bottles made by some banker who dropped out of BNP Paribas to plant vines on a hillside after doing too much ayahuasca on vacation and is selling everything at a loss until he figures out how to actually make wine. If you enjoy it, why not enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.10760845]

>>10760837
>Lots of Canadian whiskies come in plastic bottles, mutt.
More specifically I was thinking of wine and beer

[Anonymous No.10760850]

>>10760840
>some banker who dropped out of BNP Paribas to plant vines on a hillside after doing too much ayahuasca on vacation and is selling everything at a loss until he figures out how to actually make wine
God, I wish that were me

[Anonymous No.10760869]

>>10760850
Getting into the wine business is easy. First, just be disgustingly rich. You will then find you have many "friends" who can help you learn stuff. Then, buy things and pay people to help as needed (note, if your self esteem requires you to reinvent the wheel, wasting millions in the process, instead of using established best practices, do that instead). Lastly, acquire or build an impressive home in proximity to your vineyards.

Many, many people have followed this easy formula.

[Anonymous No.10760980]

I drink primarily California wines. I guess I just grew up very familiar with their varietals and region because my parents knew all about them. Kind of want to get more into Italian and French stuff since it's actually cheaper than Californian here in NYC, but it seems so confusing and nebulous compared to American labeling and marketing.

[Anonymous No.10761000]

Why would anyone buy a non Port wine?

[Anonymous No.10761008]

Living in Asia, I mostly enjoy Aussie wine.

[Anonymous No.10761017]

>>10760980
>but it seems so confusing and nebulous compared to American labeling and marketing.
On the contrary, it's much more straightforward, you just need to learn the names, which you apparently haven't done yet.

California wine is a crapshoot, it says "chardonnay" but WTF does that even mean? You're not going to know until you buy that specific bottle. And even with supposed varietal wines they blend in random shit, maybe it says "cabernet sauvignon" to target the market that thinks of itself as "a cab guy" but in reality it's 20% something else.

With French and Italian the PDO outlines what the grapes are, what vinification methods are used, etc. Some are more strict than others of course, but it's still way easier to follow than the shit show that is California wine where everything is based on fad marketing and the popular image of the varietal-of-the-month instead of well established historical practices understood by everyone.

[Anonymous No.10761021]

>>10756377
Both the Italians and the Spaniards make better wines than you, frog.

[Anonymous No.10761462]

>>10760980
Stick to Burgundy reds and you'll be fine. Anything else is an utter waste of precious palate buds.

[Anonymous No.10761491]

>>10757316
It's great in a red meat sauce.

[Anonymous No.10761806]

>>10756377
>French wine

But the French notoriously have the worst palate in Western Europe. I wouldn't eat anything produced or endorsed by a French tastebud.

[Anonymous No.10761944]

>>10761021
>>10761806
Stay mad fatties

[Anonymous No.10762272]

>>10757316
Apothic is sweet wine for people who are too insecure to buy Mommy’s Time out

[Anonymous No.10762298]

>>10762272
That marketing sure is offensive to my sensibilities. I wish there were designated Shame Shacks so I didn't have to see aging women purchasing fucking gallons of wine every time I go to a grocery or liquor store

[Anonymous No.10762316]

>>10761806
>But the French notoriously have the worst palate in Western Europe. I wouldn't eat anything produced or endorsed by a French tastebud.
0.5/10, here's your (You)

[Anonymous No.10762420]

>>10761462
t. boring cunt

[Anonymous No.10762769]

>>10756523
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdepe%C3%B1as_(DO)

[Anonymous No.10762970]

>>10762298
It’s called a bar

[Anonymous No.10762987]

>>10756377
Unless you have a pussy, grow up and drink whiskey like a man.

[Anonymous No.10763017]

>>10756377
>He doesn't know anything about wine.
I guess sticking to labels is easier than finding something good for yourself.
There are several wine-producing countries in Europe. Eastern Mediterranean is definitely one of the lesser known ones.
You can find everything imported there. But wine, well, it just can't compete.
Too bad EU protectionism is destroying it in favor of mediocre french wine.
>New world
Californian wine won over french wine in a blind test, with french judges. 3 of them. Then french just stopped participating.
Just because all you can get from California is Blossom Hill, doesn't mean all of it is shit. Keep that in mind.

[Anonymous No.10763035]

>>10763017
BASED Judgement Of Paris poster

[Anonymous No.10763752]

>>10763017
>You can find everything imported there. But wine, well, it just can't compete.
If you can't find Greek or Lebanese wine where you live, try not living in a corn field
>Too bad EU protectionism is destroying it in favor of mediocre french wine.
Do you seriously think Greece and Italy don't have their own PDOs for wine?

[Anonymous No.10763760]

>>10756377

Because the average person can't afford Romanee Conti you faggot fucking wine snob.

Beer > Wine anyway

[Anonymous No.10763782]

>>10763760
So buy something reasonable then. You can get a GSM blend that shits all over any new world red for like $15. You can always tell the people with shit taste because they can only talk about wine in terms of sticker price or parker scores.

[Anonymous No.10763865]

>>10760829
>using cheap wine for cooking

[Anonymous No.10764530]

>>10762272
Never heard of it and Apothic Dark is much more dry than Red and red is more tannin rich than sweet, most bottles are very balanced.

[Anonymous No.10764538]

I only ever really drink Shiraz for some reason. Maybe because as a proud anglo I like to support commonwealth wines, but also the first wine I ever loved was a Shiraz.
Where to go from here?

[Anonymous No.10764561]

>>10756518
Yes, that's the point he was trying to make

[Anonymous No.10764602]

>>10764530
>balanced
Maybe if your benchmark is boones farm

[Anonymous No.10764850]

>>10763752
Amerifats have only heard of bordeaux and champagne

[Anonymous No.10764986]

>>10763017
> hurr durr sticking "labels" on bottles
> what's a grand cru, what is a AOC, what's a premier cru, what's a millésime, what's a cuvée.
Why are you even in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10765276]

>>10760685
The adhesive and low humidity. I work in a rare book archive.

Adhesive will tuck anything up, going green/safe with adhesives us expensive as fuck and a very modern invention that basically only kids museums do.

And low humidity dries that shit out and makes it break easily, but that's better than fluctuations in humidity ofc.

[Anonymous No.10765323]

>>10756377
>He's never had Icewine from Ontario

[Anonymous No.10766336]

>>10765323
nobody would care about canadian wine if they hadn’t decided to charge $100+ a bottle for the (You)s

[Anonymous No.10766514]

>>10757217
>The youngest wine there is 44 years old
He said he has books older than that, not wine. Jesus, learn2read

[Anonymous No.10766765]

[Anonymous No.10766797]

Why the fuck would you buy spoiled grape juice?

[Anonymous No.10766805]

>>10756377
Why buy wine at all? Its just overpriced juice for old white women

[Anonymous No.10766814]

>>10756377
Italian > German > fremch

[Anonymous No.10766943]

>that 25 year old boomer who drinks pretentious frog juice to impress people

[Anonymous No.10766947]

>>10756377
>t. Never sipped a masterful villanyi

[Anonymous No.10767382]

good wine can be found from nearly every wine-producing region at a variety of price points

the best thing about liking wine is enjoying the wide differences in styles and purposes

france has its prestige for a reason, they arguably make the vast majority of genuinely fine wine but that doesn't devalue the amazing offerings elsewhere

judgement of paris doesn't matter neither do scores, narrowing down what makes an individual wine good outside of balance and complexity just helps to damage what makes wine special

[Anonymous No.10768609]

>>10767382
scores matter to people who need to be told what’s good, because they don’t have functioning palates

in other words, Americans

[Anonymous No.10768631]

I'm a wine neophyte but the French reds are definitely better than Cali reds. It's a bit of a decision though, since I'm not knowledgeable about wine, which Frenches to pick. I know not to get cheap Bordeaux, but I've had success getting $20 other French wine.

Cali wine is just an onslaught of fruit.

[Anonymous No.10768655]

>be American
>Barefoot is $6-7 bottle
>go to Ireland
>it's $15 a bottle
fucking hell. Any Irish lads here, don't drink that swill. It should be $2 bottle

[Anonymous No.10768657]

>>10767382
>at a variety of price points
eh, if by all price point you mean a little expensive to super expensive. Good wine is an absolutely terrible deal relative to other good beverages

[Anonymous No.10768698]

>>10768657
How much are you knocking back for you to be calculating ml of ethanol per dollar between beverages like that? Most people outside Russia and the Midwest US aren’t alcoholics, anon.

[Anonymous No.10768715]

>>10768655
>be coastie
>low tier cotes du rhone is $8
>visit a flyover state
>it’s $16 assuming you can find it at all
I think it’s the taxes from all the religious maniacs, everyone just drinks beer which for some reason is suspiciously cheap

[Anonymous No.10768730]

>>10768698
Not sure what being an alcoholic has anything to do with it. There is a huge variety of really good alcoholic beverages, if I can get other, equally good or better drinks for considerably less money, and a wide enough variety of them that I won't get sick of them, it doesn't really leave much of a niche for wine

Wine is pretty good, its just very rarely the best choice for any moment regardless of how much or little you drink

Also, drinking is a North/South divide, not a Midwest/Coastie divide

[Anonymous No.10768744]

>>10768698
>Most people outside Russia and the Midwest US aren’t alcoholics, anon.
Last time I saw a chart, Europe had an insane amount of alcoholism. And Maine drank even more than Minnesota.

[Anonymous No.10768765]

>>10768730
Oh, hi maps guy. So as you know, here's how this conversation goes.
>Me: But actually there's only a huge variety in coastie places, where people also drink wine unlike the midwest where everyone is afraid of looking "foreign" or "pretentious"
>You: Nu-uh, we totally have a huge bevmo warehouse here, look at this infographic where we sell 1000 kinds of IPA, 1000 kinds of generic bordeaux blends, and 1000 kinds of sweet moscato
>Me: Ok, that sounds awful. Can't you even get {fairly common beverage}
>You: OMG, tips fedora! Autistic soy boy! You're just mentioning obscure shit no one has ever heard of in order to make me feel uncultured! Only 25 year old boomers drink that anyway.
And at that point, you start accusing me of making stuff up, or maybe "you disagree so you obviously have never been to the midwest"

[Anonymous No.10768766]

>>10768715
I think you are confusing a bunch of different stereotypes

[Anonymous No.10768772]

>>10768765
Yeah, only you have access to European things, no one in any other city does, and people in the inland north just will never get your people

[Anonymous No.10768779]

>>10768765
>unlike the midwest where everyone is afraid of looking "foreign" or "pretentious"
Haha, what are you even talking about? Midwesterners are decidedly unpretentious, but afraid of foreign things? Where are you evening coming up with this?

[Anonymous No.10768783]

>>10768772
>European things
Yeah, everything that makes you feel uncultured is related to Europe. Also the only races are "American" and "nigger"

[Anonymous No.10768817]

>>10768783
>is related to Europe.
Um, this pretty clearly came from a discussion of French wine, which is unambiguously a European thing. Really stretching my credulity here. Do you believe any of the things you say?

[Anonymous No.10768827]

>>10768779
Try taking some authentic midwesterners to one of the many good southeast asian restaurant run by immigrants, which surprisingly can be found in the midwest.

On average they will either refuse (can't we just get normal food?) or they will agree, but they will then create an embarrassing scene. "Me go pee pee in your coke ha ha!" or when the waiter has an accent they will talk back in loud, broken English because they've never interacted with a person with an accent before. Then they say "what is all this stuff" and demand General Tso's chicken and act incredulous that it isn't available.

[Anonymous No.10768839]

>>10768817
Read up to the start of the recent chain of posts, at no point was French wine mentioned specifically. Additionally, you've changed the subject to "many good beverages" which means we're now not just talking about even just wine.

[Anonymous No.10768842]

>>10768839
>>10768817
Also, we've now reached the "you disagree with me so you've obviously never been to the midwest" point of the conversation. The alternate form is, of course, "you disagree with me so you're either trolling or insane"

[Anonymous No.10768935]

>>10756377
You are just an idiot

[Anonymous No.10769218]

>>10760845
I wouldn't refer to that as good whiskey, definitely not rye, but sure. I bet you think we like canadian club and crown royal. Also is mutt suppose to be an insult? The alternative is usually an overpriced inbred deformity.

[Anonymous No.10769254]

>>10768609
I don't follow scores either but not having the time, money and alcoholic tenancies to try every single wine might have something to do with it to.

[Anonymous No.10769269]

>>10769254
you don't need to try every single wine, you just need to start drinking wine from places where lying on the label is frowned upon

as it turns out, in some areas, words really do mean things

[Anonymous No.10769299]

>>10768827
yeah, this isn't a thing

[Anonymous No.10769308]

>>10768842
>"you disagree with me so you've obviously never been to the midwest"
More like you are saying blatantly incorrect things and people point them out so you try and say the truth is just an opinion

[Anonymous No.10769312]

>>10768839
really grasping at straws here

[Anonymous No.10769347]

>>10769269
Don't get me wrong I just pick up random bottles from many countries and try them out. I just thing scores have a place for anyone who doesn't like to do that. Also where I live they don't lie on labels, they list non-regional varieties by the type of grape as they should. Having said that I've had many sangiovese that I preferred over proper chianti.

[Anonymous No.10769360]

>he doesn't mix red wine with fruit flavored sparkling water

[Anonymous No.10769385]

Can anyone in this thread actually take credit for their country's wine? Why don't you try growing the grapes and making the wine, then brag. Or just sit back and enjoy the pride that comes with knowing you earned any praise the wine might get. Self accomplishment > Countrymen's accomplishments > French people telling you what to like.

[Anonymous No.10769402]

>>10769385
I feel like adding that the "new-world" vinyard I work at makes an Ortega that is anything but a joke. I can't take credit for this one, but it is one of the best wines I've ever had.

[Anonymous No.10769636]

>>10760554
Paper has a pretty specific amount of moisture in it, and no it's not completely dried out or anything like that.
If you dry paper out too much it'll flake and crumble.

[Anonymous No.10769963]

>>10757061
Watch the doc again. The rich dummies couldn't tell. Trained Somms picked it up right away.

[Anonymous No.10770321]

P R O S E C C O

[Anonymous No.10770332]

>>10756377
Why would anyone buy wine?

[Anonymous No.10770341]

Georgian > French
But you wouldn't know anything about that would you OP?

[Anonymous No.10770345]

>>10770332
>t. uncultured philistine
Fade away.

[Anonymous No.10770371]

Mate, I'm drinking a $5AU bottle of Australian wine here that's as good as a $20AU bottle of the French stuff. I'm not saying it's good, although it is very drinkable. The French wines are too overpriced here to ever be worthwhile. Part of it is shipping costs, but most of it is France's brand recognition.

[Anonymous No.10770546]

>Tfw any 16yo can walk to any store and buy very good bottles for under 10€

[Anonymous No.10771464]

>>10770341
Georgian wine is great but anyone putting it on the same level as France, let alone pretending it's above France, is either an ignorant hipster or a Georgian

[Anonymous No.10771585]

>tfw the French have all been replaced by Muslims and cuckolds and they stop selling wine because haram

Soon

[Anonymous No.10771596]

>>10771585
(((They))) got one of themselves appointed as a mod too

[Anonymous No.10771604]

>>10756392
lel

[Anonymous No.10771607]

>>10756578
The Pinto Grigio is quite nice

[Anonymous No.10771647]

>>10756377
>The Italians have been making wine for millennia yet never managed to produce anything close to a Grand Cru.
pleb

[Anonymous No.10771674]

>>10771607
>pinot grigio
>nice
The only people who don't fuck up that grape beyond any hope of redemption are the alsacians

[Anonymous No.10771681]

>>10756377
Because OP most people are learning that wines taste the same for the most part regardless of label or price. Even professional wine conisseurs can't tell the difference in a blind taste test. It's all bullshit really.

[Anonymous No.10771693]

>that time I was ordering wine in a nice restaurant while out with a few girls from work and I fumbled and accidentally said pinot grigio instead of pinos gris and the server thought I was pronouncing the S.

[Anonymous No.10771709]

>>10756377
Because it's too fucking expensive for living within my means.

Do i have to go to France and staple your foreskin shut?

[Anonymous No.10771714]

>>10771681
>wines taste the same
The reason this has happened is that tyrannical 100 point scoring systems have caused a score chasing phenomenon that forces all wine producers to try and make their wine taste like whatever style some fat, golf-playing suburban jackass thinks is good. It's the same thing that happened to beer, causing IPAs to flood the market and drown out any attempts at restraint. And since plebs are easily confused by PDO terminology instead they flee to New World crap sold by varietal name, except that New World producers have nothing but contempt for typicity or varietal character, so you end up with merlot that tastes like cabernet sauvignon and pinot noir that tastes like syrah. People now buy wine based on "what grape are you" facebook quizzes, ask anyone why they like pinot noir and they'll just say "well, sideways says it's good", even if they've never actually tasted a pinot noir that tastes like pinot noir. Pic related, he made millions off of people like you, people who think that typicity is a libtard conspiracy to make you feel uncultured but still want to look "sophisticated" by drinking a grape that mass media says is "sophisticated".

tl;dr it's by design

[Anonymous No.10771810]

>>10771693
>insisting on maintaining both the spelling and pronunciation of a foreign word when it moves to English
What a fucking silly endeavor

[Anonymous No.10771830]

>>10771810
>Waiter: Ok, so madame will have entrecote aux haricots verts and ze cotes du roussillon. Just ze glass, oui? And for messieur?
>Anon: RRAWWR I'll have a RIB EYE with beans, WELL DONE and a side of ketchup you faggot garlic breath surrender froig!
>Waiter: Tres bien, and to dreenk messieur?
>Anon: Do you have "You can't handle this dragon dick brett saison imperial DIPA (Palo Santo Limited Edition 2009)" by Devil Dawg Microbrewhaus? I'm not pretentious so I do not drink wine"

[Anonymous No.10771840]

>>10771810
I was ordering in Danish actually, but we maintain the French names of the French wines here too.

[Anonymous No.10771844]

>>10771830
I'm not saying I don't do it, its just a super fucking silly thin to do, mostly a modern thing of people trying to seem sophisticated. Not that long ago people didn't even maintain names of cities in neighboring countries

[Anonymous No.10771846]

>>10771844
>modern people
>le wrong decade
Jesus, you're a real life straw man

[Anonymous No.10771848]

>>10771830
>asking for an aged IPA
Never buy an IPA that is more than 3 months old guy

[Anonymous No.10771854]

>>10771846
bit of a stretch

[Anonymous No.10771857]

>>10771844
Not that long ago the upper class in England spoke French.

[Anonymous No.10771862]

>>10771857
I would say that was kinda long ago, also keep in mind it was an old language from which French evolved, most of the strange spelling/pronunciation combos in modern French are relatively modern developments

[Anonymous No.10771869]

>>10771862
>modernity is bad when people don't talk the way I want them to talk
>the old ways are bad when people don't talk the way I want them to talk
Having this much autism must be exhausting

[Anonymous No.10771875]

>>10771869
I am not in any way saying modernity is bad, I just noted how one specific phenomena is a modern development and also pretty weird. The world in our lifetime is objectively better than at any point in history. You are really trying to read way too much into these posts

[Anonymous No.10771876]

>>10771844
>Not that long ago people didn't even maintain names of cities in neighboring countries
Are you saying that they do now?
Do you call it Köln rather than Cologne?
What do you call the capital of Russia?

[Anonymous No.10771880]

>>10771875
>one specific phenomena
You're obviously quite the linguist.

[Anonymous No.10771882]

>>10771876
>Russia
You mean Pѹ́cьcкaѧ зeмлѧ? Кыѥвъ of course. I was born in le wrong century.

[Anonymous No.10771883]

>>10771876
>Are you saying that they do now?
No, thats specifically what I was referring to. Words that entered English usage more than a few generations ago generally do not maintain both the spelling and pronunciation of the source language (if they preserve either). However with words not in common usage until recently people try really hard to maintain both the spelling and pronunciation for some reason

[Anonymous No.10771892]

>>10771880
>>10771875
Linguist anon #BTFO

[Anonymous No.10771898]

>>10771892
what?

[Anonymous No.10771931]

>>10771875
>The world in our lifetime is objectively better than at any point in history.

I'm not sure about that one!

[Anonymous No.10771943]

What about hungarians?
Egri bikavér and Tokaji aszú are pretty decent wines.
(when you manage to get the original, not some tourist-ripoffs)

[Anonymous No.10771953]

>>10771931
By pretty much any measure humanity is better off now n the age of capitalism than ever before. People are living longer and better lives, absolute poverty is at an all time low, fewer people fight and die in wars than ever before. The diseases that killed our ancestors are mostly gone or treatable.
Even when it just comes to food an drink, we have much better access to an incredibly wide variety of much better things than any previous generation

[Anonymous No.10771960]

>>10756578
I like Barefoot's pink moscato. I've had a really nice Bordeaux or two but they're impractically expensive and too rich for most settings for me.

I'm quite fond of mead, too, I like my stuff on the sweet side.

I wonder if there are any decent wines from England, Wales or Scotland? We're not usually grape-growing weather but there might be one or two unsung gems.

[Anonymous No.10772248]

So Côtes du Rhône is the way to go for French wine if you don't have a large budget, right?

[Anonymous No.10772254]

>>10756377
Look at this nigga tryin' to start a war.

[Anonymous No.10772268]

>>10772248
Do what French peasants have done since they were a Roman colony: buy cheap table wine produced locally. You have a higher chance of actually enjoying the wine - and if you didn't, no skin of your nose. Give it to a friend or something.

Vintage wine is about prestige, not taste.

[Anonymous No.10772269]

>>10772248
It's certainly one of the more widely available low budget French wines, sure. Loire and Alsace are also pretty reliable and easily found, although there's some mediocrity there, like anything else.

Tbh as long as you stay out of the classified Burgundy and Bordeaux, or Champagne, French wine isn't really that expensive. Once you factor in quality to price ratio it beats most other wines, on average. Even Bordeaux and Burgundy have some good budget wines.

I'm not into spending crazy amounts of money on wine and yet if had to limit myself to one country, forever, I'd go France without even having to think about it. There are enough styles for a lifetime of drinking.

[Anonymous No.10772289]

>>10772268
>the only options are a random vin du pays that you have to negotiate with toothless peasants in flawless Occitan to even know about, and a 1945 Petrus

[Anonymous No.10772290]

Just a reminder New Jersey and Napa Valley wines obliterated every other in the world in a blind taste test in the 80s

[Anonymous No.10772294]

>>10772289
Try moving to a country that isn't shit, then.

[Anonymous No.10772305]

>>10772290
Just a reminder that Napa is overpriced garbage catering to ignorant rubes and mainland Chinese

[Anonymous No.10772307]

>>10756377
Primitivo
Sangiovese
Montepulciano
Negroamaro

You can keep your French wine my friend

[Anonymous No.10772309]

>>10771857
uh, like 800 years ago?

[Anonymous No.10772312]

>>10772294
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.10772316]

>>10771883
nothing worse than a NY/NJ """Italian""" saying "moozarell"

[Anonymous No.10772337]

>>10772268
>>10772269
based. noted.

[Anonymous No.10772345]

I never buy French wine because it's overpriced however there are only a few countries that can produce superior wines they include Germany for whites and Bulgaria Italy Spain Slovenia Serbia South Africa chille Romania hungry Australia in fact pretty much anywhere that has grapes can make better fucking wine than the French and even if French did make the best wine in the world and sold it at the cheapest prices I still wouldn't buy because it's French and I don't want them to have one penny from my pocket they can eat shit and die fucking garlic munching surrender monkeys

[Anonymous No.10772368]

>>10772345
>superior wines
>joke countries like Austria and South Africa
Terrible bait, see me after class

[Anonymous No.10772370]

>>10771953
By the metric of More maybe, but I'm convinced that medieval peasants were happier toiling in the dirt than Modern Man lounging in the suburbs self-medicating to avoid suicidal thoughts just enough to function at his 9 to 5. More is never enough and Most is intolerable, look at the bored, decadent nobility of old and the "hedonic treadmill" effect. Just because a number is higher doesn't mean it pleases our monkey brains in an optimal way.

[Anonymous No.10772378]

>>10772368
>Austria
Fuck, now I look stupid. You win

[Anonymous No.10772398]

>>10769385
here in Bulgaria I have my own Vineyards of course everybody does have at least 1000 square metres of grapevines at the end of the garden. it worked out enough to make about half a ton or first wine and another half ton of second wine. this is how much wine you need to carry on drinking wine for one year and maybe give a few bottles to friends who live in the fucking City in an apartment because they're stupid. the ones we make tastes nothing like that watery poncy shit in the shops. wine should be made of nothing but well manicured grapes fermented in Oak or Mulberry barrels for the first wine, and the second wine made from the remnants of the pressings afterwards and to this is added sugar and often wormwood for a more medicinal and often sparkling Tonic Wine. all the wine should be above 14% so that it keeps well and it's not unusual for people to have bottles in the cellar here from 1970 something that are very drinkable and normally in a sherry Style

[Anonymous No.10772456]

>>10772345
retard (although Germany makes some nice stuff)

[Anonymous No.10772523]

>>10771953
>By pretty mucg any measure
I'd say suicide rates are a good way to determine quality of life, and they don't argue in your favour.

[Anonymous No.10772532]

>>10756377
How much would the 1952 bottle cost?

[Anonymous No.10772683]

>>10771674
If you don't shit yourself for a cold class of Italian Pinot Grigio, you're fucking incorrect

[Anonymous No.10772687]

>>10772683
*glass

[Anonymous No.10772717]

>>10772370
>but I'm convinced that medieval peasants were happier toiling in the dirt than Modern Man lounging in the suburbs
I think that is a straight up insane belief
>self-medicating to avoid suicidal thoughts
Keep in mind that by modern standards basically everyone before 100 years ago was a raging alcoholic, if anything we medicate less now
>ust because a number is higher doesn't mean it pleases our monkey brains in an optimal way.
The fact that we do not face constant threat to our lives via war and disease alone is all you need to know about how much better life is now.

This is just a super pessimistic and baseless worldview

[Anonymous No.10772726]

>>10772523
>I'd say suicide rates are a good way to determine quality of life,
I don't think that is at all a good way to measure it, and we surely do not have data on suicide rates in medieval Europe, a comparatively tiny amount of information exists about the everyday lives of the masses, we have no reasonable way of saying suicide is more common now. But more directly, suicide is just not a measure of the quality of life of society

[Anonymous No.10772769]

[Anonymous No.10772816]

>>10757217
Wow you are dumb

[Anonymous No.10772958]

>>10772683
is your personality as bland as your glass of wine?

[Anonymous No.10773171]

>>10772683
what if I’d rather drink something that doesn’t suck?

[Anonymous No.10773209]

>>10756389
They rub the labels with dirty hand towels to give the illusion of age. The French are notoriously retarded and will eat things most 1st worlders consider 3rd world like escargot and bolognese. I went to France for my culinary training and it was a nightmare. They don't bathe regularly and they all chain smoke cigarettes and drink coffee without brushing their teeth.

[Anonymous No.10773238]

>>10773209
Its fucking crazy how often Europeans smoke, something that pretty much only the trashiest of individuals do in America is basically just normal in most of Europe

[Anonymous No.10773995]

>>10773238
It's gone down drastically in recent years, at least in the major cities.

[Anonymous No.10775638]

>>10772717
Truly we must Progress to a point of human obsolescence and full robotic stewardship so we can sit in rooms and sizzle our dopamine receptors, for that will Maximize The Utility and Fulfill The Economics. The only sane thing to do.

[Anonymous No.10776214]

>>10756377
falling for this "French make good wine meme". Just buy italian but no 3rd world degenerate rip off

[Anonymous No.10776268]

>>10771943
Meh. Lot of countries make "pretty decent" wines, Hungary isn't really anything special. I put it on the same level as Georgia and Austria. Perfectly capable but definitely second tier.

[Anonymous No.10776952]

upstate New York for pinot noir, gewurtz, and riesling

otherwise it’s old world for me

[Anonymous No.10777019]

>>10756377
... price

[Anonymous No.10777117]

>>10777019
but inexpensive French wines are much better than inexpensive wines from most other regions if not all

[Anonymous No.10777129]

>>10777117
Not if you're not living in Europe.

[Anonymous No.10777151]

California produces better wines than frogs ever will. French wines are for pretendous douches who talk about flavors that aren't there.

[Anonymous No.10777257]

I live in Argentina so there's a pretty good selection of wines available here.
Not all of them are world class, but some truly are. Even the rest are not that bad provided you know what to buy.

[Anonymous No.10777327]

>>10764538
McManis petite shiraz

[Anonymous No.10777715]

>>10777151
translation: I know nothing about wine, I don’t actually like wine, but I read about wine on buzzfeed once

[Anonymous No.10777771]

>>10777715
except buzzfeed will tell you that all non-cheap wines are for pretentious douches who talk about flavors that aren't there

[Anonymous No.10777943]

>>10777715
I like wine, but I'm not a faggot who pretends there are "hints of vanilla and cherry" in a bottle of fermented grape juice. Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10778102]

>>10777943

[Anonymous No.10778116]

>>10778102
Look, asshole, being pretendous is not the same as knowing what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.10778138]

>>10772958
>my choice of wine means I have a better personality than you
Sure thing hun

[Anonymous No.10778146]

>>10773171
What would you rather drink? What's your favourite white wine? What's your go-to at the end of a hard day?

[Anonymous No.10778196]

>>10778116
>pretendous
Frytrollingorstupid.jpg

[Anonymous No.10778634]

>>10778138
it doesn't, but it helps

[Anonymous No.10778704]

>>10777771
yes, that's what I said

>>10777943
you want to taste vanilla and cherry coke, go pick up a bottle of california pinot noir. almost all of it tastes like that, nasty, nasty shit

if you go looking for those flavors in a chablis, then of course you'll be disappointed

[Anonymous No.10778758]

>>10778146
I don't really have one favorite. some of my long term favorites are the gran reserva lopez de heredia releases (the reservas aren't really worth it considering they're only modestly cheaper), the rieslings from willi schaefer and both the prum houses in mosel, and the sherries from valdespino. but most of those are kinda spendy and some of them are hard to get, and I assume by "end of a hard day" I'm supposed to be talking about cheapies right?

if I need something that's doesn't challenge, that's, cheap, but still good, and I don't know what I'm eating yet, I might get a pinot gris from hugel, or their bottom-shelf "gentil" which is made of dodgy mystery alsacian grapes but is really good for the price. dr frank and henri wiemer also make a decent moderately priced line of rieslings but they cost a bit more than the "gentil"

hard to go wrong with a no-name muscadet sevre et maine with shallow-water seafood

tbqh I'd go for an $8 bottle of argie torrontes over any italian PG at any price, I'm sure some butthurt guido is going to explain how wrong I am, but IDGAF, fight me

[Anonymous No.10778773]

I live in Sonoma county, why would I drink inferior wine when I can go literally anywhere and have something local and amazing?

[Anonymous No.10778777]

>>10756377
>Why would anyone buy a non French wine?
Because there are wines that are just as interesting and won't cost a fortune.

French wines are severely overrated and people buy them mostly for the name. Not to mention quite a few big names have been bought by chinese faggots who ruin everything

[Anonymous No.10778794]

>>10778777
> Not to mention quite a few big names have been bought by chinese faggots who ruin everything
Foreign involvement in Bordeaux has been going on for centuries, don't talk like that IRL or you'll embarrass yourself.

[Anonymous No.10778797]

>>10757173
Drank a German Riesling Auslese from 1969 a year ago. Still good.

When they are made well they are pretty much indestructable. It's amazing. Too bad they weren't for sale (shared the bottle with the winemaker himself) but I stocked up on some very nice 1990's Riesling Spatlase for 5 euros a bottle.

[Anonymous No.10778817]

>>10778773
What's it like literally living inside a tourist trap?

[Anonymous No.10778835]

>>10778794
>Foreign involvement in Bordeaux has been going on for centuries.
Not at this scale.

Also you probably won't have to worry about not talking like this IRL, you've most likely embarrassed yourself plenty in your time.

[Anonymous No.10778845]

>>10778835
Not everyone is as concerned with image as you, anon. Keep on buying Napa wines or whatever it is you think are going to impress people. I'll keep buying French wines for the taste.

[Anonymous No.10778848]

>>10756377
I actually wholeheartedly agree with this. Although the very, very high end stuff coming from elsewhere can be worth writing home about. Grange and Screaming Eagle come to mind

[Anonymous No.10779270]

>>10764538
Cabernet Sauvignon

[Anonymous No.10779795]

>>10756578

[Anonymous No.10779936]

>>10756578

[Anonymous No.10780855]

Friendly reminder that the French have been provably full of shit since 1976. They were - and still are - so completely coloncrucified over the Judgement of Paris that they held three more tastings to try to get a more favorable result but American wines still did better every single time so they eventually just gave up and pretended like it never happened.

[Anonymous No.10780905]

>ITT: French wine is only bordeaux and bourgogne
Retards.

[Anonymous No.10780921]

>>10757037
>Look how the wine snob recoils, "I've been found out!"

[Anonymous No.10780932]

>>10780905
Judgement of Paris posters have never tasted any of the wines involved - French or otherwise

if asked, they will say it’s because wine is a scam

[Anonymous No.10781017]

>>10756389
Do you keep your books in a humid cold basement?

[Anonymous No.10782002]

>>10768657
guy you replied to here, not the guy sperging out

ive drank thoroughly enjoyable bottles in the £7-12 range, from france, italy, chile, spain, australia, nz etc. sure it costs more than a four pack of ciders for example (im not a beer fan personally) but the complexity of flavours you can get even at that price range is, in my opinion, so far beyond.

sure fine wine is very expensive, but you shouldn't be drinking it every night. a £20+ bottle (if you arent only buying from the most expensive regions this is high enough to get great quality) is wonderful as a treat/occasion.

[Anonymous No.10782126]

>>10757217
Proof that wine lowers IQ

[Anonymous No.10783225]

>>10756392
If you're buying American wine you can't trust it anyway. Truthful labeling is considered communistic and unamerican