/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10689505]

Is MSG actually bad for you or is that just a meme? I've been doing research and everything seems to suggest that the studies that gave it a bad reputation were invalid and not related to natural consumption

[Anonymous No.10689507]

It makes food taste good and I could always use more sodium. I see no downsides to it.

[Anonymous No.10689563]

If you don't have high blood pressure and if your ingredients aren't already salted then it's fine.
I have some budget adobo which is just tumeric,paprika,garlic,and may which is good to make rice with. Put it in the rice when you begin to cook it.
Some people have a reaction to msg but it's not bad for you if you're not a retard with it.

[Anonymous No.10689569]

>>10689505
MSG is directly linked to insulin resistance, gluten intolerance, and diabetes in rats and mice. Studies regarding MSG intake in humans have returned mixed results, but studying diet is extremely hard because it relies on self-reporting from the test subjects.

China consumes more than half of the MSG consumed in the world, and China's (11%) obesity prevalence is nearly the exact same as America's (13%) despite not having the same obesity problem. Something besides obesity is causing rampant diabetes in China.

It's not like salt. No one wonders whether salt is good for you or gives you cancer. With MSG it's still largely up in the air. I wouldn't trust it, MSG too sketch by far.

[Anonymous No.10689620]

>>10689505
mostly a meme

like anything, eating a shitload of it is probably unwise. occasionally eating pf changs or whatever isn't going to give you butt cancer or the beetus

[Anonymous No.10689638]

>>10689569
Hogwash. MSG is good to go.

[Anonymous No.10689644]

>>10689505
yeah it's fine

[Anonymous No.10689651]

>>10689563
*and msg

[Anonymous No.10689666]

>>10689569
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/msg-good-or-bad
http://www.seahealth.dk/content/dont-worry-about-eating-food-spiced-msg
https://www.sciencefriday.com/articles/is-msg-bad-for-your-health/

discuss

[Anonymous No.10689674]

>>10689569

>13% obesity in America.

So anything below 250lbs is ok?

[Anonymous No.10689688]

>>10689569
>DUDE SALT GIVES YOU DIABETES LMAO

[Anonymous No.10689723]

>>10689569
>11%
That's a lot of chubby chinks

[Anonymous No.10689748]

>>10689505

Just a meme. Kinda like the dihydrogen monoxide scam, except more complex.

Let's break it down:
MSG - Monosodium Glutamate
We can discard the mono- part, it really doesn't mean anything, just "one sodium". That's one letter down.

Now we have sodium glutamate.
Basic chemistry tells us that's a compound (or salt, if you prefer to be more anal), just sodium and glutamic acid reacted together.
Sodium? Completely harmless. Pretty much just table salt (something something "sodium chloride" reee, but whatever. you consume sodium salts all the time, is the point). So we've got the second letter of this mysterious MSG out of the way.

Time for G, glutamic acid. It's one of the amino acids, in fact, it's one of the most abundant. Every single living thing on this planet has glutamic acid in it. Hell, we can even synthesise the stuff within our own bodies. It's used in the process of manufacturing proteins.

So yeah. MSG is harmless. It's just common to be scared of it because "whoa that's a big sciency word I can't easily comprehend!!!" A lot of people complain about MSG allergies, that it's giving them headaches and all, but that really just ends up being placebo based off the huge perpetuations they've read on some clickbait article on their facebook feed. Scientists have conducted blind tests with MSG, and none of them concluded with a correlation between MSG and health issues.

[Anonymous No.10689845]

>>10689569
>MSG is directly linked to insulin resistance, gluten intolerance, and diabetes in rats and mice.
retarded dumbshittery

free glutamate causes neuronal excitotoxicity because it is a neurotransmitter.

[Anonymous No.10691597]

MSG will kill you!
>le early 1900 japanese face.

KeK Ameriburgerfatretardedfucks are quite LITERALLY afraid of ANYTHING.
TOPFUCKINGKEK

[Anonymous No.10691616]

MSG blocking in Chinese restaurants in America was due to Chinese food being too dank so they had to jump on whatever bandwagon to stop the flavour train they could, so they boycotted MSG and now they don't taste as good/don't get as much business.

[Anonymous No.10691635]

>>10689569
>Something besides obesity is causing rampant diabetes in China.
Some people consuming nothing but fucking rice endlessly? I'm not saying sugar causes diabetes, but goddamn your diet should not be 95% white rice.

Looking at studies on China for insights into human health is a terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.10691642]

>>10691635
why not just sell the drugs at that point, i'm pretty sure you'd make more money that way

[Anonymous No.10691656]

>>10689569
>>China's (11%) obesity prevalence is nearly the exact same as America's (13%)

i seriously doubt this claim. America's obesity as a % of population over 15 is 38.2% with measured data.

[Anonymous No.10691666]

>>10691642
Then you'd be cutting in on the drug dealer's turf? And police would be expecting bribes or shut your ass down?

This way they only have to buy a small amount from drug dealers, just enough to make the noodles suspiciously addictive.

[Anonymous No.10691670]

I'm prone to migraines and msh triggers them for ne

[Anonymous No.10691696]

>>10691656
He obviously typod and meant diabetes rates in that sentence. Damn son, 8 replies and nobody has better reading comprehension than a 10 year old among them.

[Anonymous No.10691711]

>>10691696
he said "obesity" 3 times, anon.

>Something besides obesity is causing rampant diabetes in China.
Do you think he meant to say "Something besides diabetes is causing rampant diabetes in China"?

[Anonymous No.10691727]

>>10689505
MSG sensitivity is as legit as Wifi sensitivity or gluten allergies, which is to say not at all. The nocebo effect is a hell of a drug though, so although the diseases are fake the symptoms are real.

[Anonymous No.10691728]

>>10691711
He's saying the US and China have similar diabetes rates despite China not having near as money fatties. I mean it, reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.10693696]

>>10689505
you would be better cutting dairy out of your diet than MSG.

[Anonymous No.10694675]

>>10693696
why?

[Anonymous No.10694691]

>>10689505
If something is a meme (word) does that mean it is an untruth? Like a 'old wives tale'?
I am trying to improve my English, I speak it but do not write it very truly or correctly.

[Anonymous No.10694708]

>>10691635
So they're putting fentanyl in the soup? They're not using heroin or morphine because it takes a LOT to affect you taken orally.
This is bullshit. I'd say it's an Onion article but they tend to be funny.

[Anonymous No.10694715]

>>10694691
In this specific context "meme" is interchangable with "myth"

[Anonymous No.10694721]

>>10694708
It could be any number of synthetic opiods produced in Chinese labs. Something like tramadol or oxycodone even. I believe this, possible a restaurant owner came across a large package of opiods and figured this would be a good use.

[Anonymous No.10694722]

>>10694691
It's more complicated than that. The usage of "meme" in this context refers more to something that's tossed around a lot in a satirical and/or ironic way. The word "meme" has a ton of different meanings in today's culture, so don't depend on the dictionary definition. It's become internet slang and can take on several meanings in different contexts. It's quite the informal word at this point too, so try not to use it outside of casual conversation. Good luck with your English studies.

[Anonymous No.10694723]

I add MSG to every dessert I make. I would recommend using about 1 part MSG to 4-5 parts salt. You just want a little to bring out the flavor. If you buy Doritos, you are getting a lot of MSG, as well as other additives like mono and disodium guanylate, but you can buy msg and use small quantities on your own food.

[Anonymous No.10694736]

>>10694723
>to bring out the flavor
how about not "bringing out the flavor" a couple of weeks so you get re-sensitized to normal food?

[Anonymous No.10695323]

>>10689748
Someone went to Devry university.

Glutamate is actually a very important signalling compound for regulation of metabolism.
I'd link you some peer-reviewed and published articles from the NIH but its probably a waste of time on my part.

Basically, it fucks up your regulation.

[Anonymous No.10695333]

>>10689569
>Something besides obesity is causing rampant diabetes in China.
smoking and horrible horrible stress

[Anonymous No.10695339]

>>10689569
>China's (11%) obesity prevalence is nearly the exact same as America's (13%) despite not having the same obesity problem
did you mean to say diabetes prevalence?

[Anonymous No.10695460]

>>10691696
>some guy repeatedly types the wrong word
>FUCKING NEWFAGS WTB READING COMPREHENSION OMG
off yourself

[Anonymous No.10695485]

>>10689505
If you've ever eaten doritos or parmesan cheese you got MSG all up inside your body already

[Anonymous No.10695532]

>>10689569
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/027869159390012N

Those studies on rats and mice are also done via-injection and not consumption. They're also done with large doses and not appropriate to size.
>>10695323
Post them Faggot.

[Anonymous No.10695564]

Meme. It's just flavored salt so don't put a shit ton in everything if you want to avoid hypertension.

[Anonymous No.10695579]

>>10695532
A stranger on the interwebs called me a faggot.
Better do what he says or he'll report me for thought crimes.

[Anonymous No.10695630]

>>10695579
Just on pure logic for those of you less educated:
Glutamate is a neurotransmitter.
Dumping neurotransmitters on your food sound like a good idea?
That is going to fuck with your body's homeostasis.

[Anonymous No.10695645]

>>10689505
when i was going through puberty/my early 20s, MSG would trigger migraines for me so i avoided it. these days, it seems not to affect me at all (thanks, IUD!), and i don't see anything wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.10695673]

>>10695532
>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/027869159390012N
End of abstract:
"rigorous and realistic scientific evidence linking the syndrome to MSG could not be found."

>thinking absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

Also, that study was too small of a sample size to be relevant.
Also, that study was about causal linkage between MSG consumption and "Chinese food syndrome" not linkage between MSG consumption and metabolic syndrome.

Why can't you people educate yourselves?

[Anonymous No.10695687]

>>10695645
open bobs

[Anonymous No.10695700]

>>10695687
is...is this your way of asking me to show boobs? because:
1) this is a SFW board
2) no....just, no.
3) gonna get dicked down by my boyfriend after we eat some good NYC chinatown shanghainese dinner! :)

[Anonymous No.10695703]

>>10695700
go back

[Anonymous No.10696771]

>>10695700
no part of this post was necessary
you had no obligation to acknowledge the shitposter

[Anonymous No.10696834]

>>10696771
hey, fuck you buddy, you two are the shitposters. i just wanted a bob show.

[Anonymous No.10696888]

>>10695579
>>10695630
>>10695673

Weird, the debate seems over.

[Anonymous No.10696976]

>>10695630
>Dumping neurotransmitters on your food sound like a good idea?
but those neurotransmitters exist naturally in universally used foods like tomato and cheese. Do you have any founded argument to suggest that consuming glutamate is bad for you? "it's a neurotransmitter" is not an argument

[Anonymous No.10696991]

>>10695532
Theres no such thing as appropriate to size you retard. Don't act like you understand how mouse research works

[Anonymous No.10697000]

>>10695700
Being female should be a bannable offense

[Anonymous No.10697002]

>>10696991
>Theres no such thing as appropriate to size you retard.
in this context, the appropriate size is the equivalent to the amount that would be consumed in food. In the mouse tests, they injected far more that would ever be consumed naturally and did it straight into the blood stream rather than it being eaten and digested properly. The tests are literally bullshit propaganda.

[Anonymous No.10697106]

>>10696976
I like how I posited three different arguments, one specifically listed as for less educated people, and you chose that one to attempt a refutation.
>You believe yourself to be less intelligent, by your own standards.

Putting that aside:

Your counter agrument is:
> ____ exists in natural foods in some quantity therefore eating ridiculously inflated levels of it must be okay.
There's no actual clear thinking to that, but I'll humor you.
By your logic: lima beans contain small amounts of cyanide, therefore it must be okay to dump pure cyanide powder on your food.

cheeki breeki i v damki

[Anonymous No.10697113]

>>10697000
consider which board you're on

[Anonymous No.10697140]

>>10697106
>ridiculously inflated levels

https://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/FoodAdditivesIngredients/ucm328728.htm
>The glutamate in MSG is chemically indistinguishable from glutamate present in food proteins. Our bodies ultimately metabolize both sources of glutamate in the same way. An average adult consumes approximately 13 grams of glutamate each day from the protein in food, while intake of added MSG is estimates at around 0.55 grams per day.

you absolute fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.10697144]

>>10697106
Here to debate the safety of MSG in food, taking all challengers.

[Anonymous No.10697168]

>>10697140
Ever hear of an adsorption curve?
The breakdown of endogenous glutamate from ingested protein affects biological-titer at a different rate than spiking your system with the pure substance.
>salts dissociate in solution

[Anonymous No.10697185]

>>10697168
>Our bodies ultimately metabolize both sources of glutamate in the same way
it's painfully obvious you're just making shit up to try and look right.

[Anonymous No.10697193]

>>10697185
its painfully obvious your reach is exceeding your grasp.

[Anonymous No.10697210]

>>10697193
This was shitty, Sorry for being shitty. I enjoy debate and dislike ignorance, :)

You were/are not taking into account that the substances, although chemically indistinguishable, do "process at different rates" and that some of your metabolisms self-monitoring and regulation mechanisms are based on presence of glutamate.

Simply observing they are chemically similar is a gross over-simplification of a complex dynamic system.

[Anonymous No.10697219]

>>10697210
>>10697210
>>Our bodies ultimately metabolize both sources of glutamate in the same way

metabolize
in
the
same
way

"process at different rates" is factually incorrect

[Anonymous No.10697264]

>>10697219
Again you have misunderstood the basics here.

Here's a parallel situation to highlight my point.

Two people get methanol poisoning from drinking wood alcohol, Person A and Person B. Both ingest the same amount, a lethal quantity. Person A is untreated. Person B's treatment is to get them really drunk on ethanol. This slows the rate at which your enzymes convert methanol into toxic metabolites because your enzymes are acting on the ethanol in some proportion of their ability rather than 100% of their ability being used to convert methanol. The end result is, the same amount of methanol is ingested in both cases, but Person A dies, while Person B lives because the accumulation of toxic metabolites is spread out over a much larger window of time, so that those toxic by-products to not reach the level of "lethal" at any point.

The rate at which biologically active substances are processed by the body is important is the point.

[Anonymous No.10697269]

>>10697219
>factually incorrect
Bald claim there. Care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.10697295]

>>10697219
Also
>ultimately
inherently asserts that there are differences in the processing procedure, but that they share the same "start" and "end" points.

This difference can be as simple as rates at which the tasks are accomplished, or a million and one other differences.

[Anonymous No.10697304]

>>10697264
you are making an unfounded assumption by claiming that natural MSG in the likes of parmesan cheese and additive MSG inherently undergo different chemical reactions, with additive MSG being notably more difficult for the body to process. You need to provide evidence for this baseless speculation.

[Anonymous No.10697319]

>>10697304
by which I mean - of course different foods are made of different compounds and different chemical reactions happen as the elements combine, but to suggest that one type is fundamentally more difficult for the body to process and that it has noteworthy negative effects on the body, the type of which justify largely avoiding consumption, requires proof.

[Anonymous No.10697330]

>>10697304
Oooh shit dude, don't start pretending like you're educated suddenly.
>you are.... inherently undergo different chemical reactions...

No. I did not say that. I took great efforts to show that while they may go down the same road, the speed at which they travel that road does matter.
This is just one problem though.
My overall argument, is if this compound is an "indicator" in your regulation of metabolism, then adding pure regulatory compound will have an effect on your regulation.

[Anonymous No.10697341]

>>10697330
Nobody consumes pure raw MSG on its own, it's added to food just like how it already exists in some foods.

[Anonymous No.10697366]

>>10697341
You don't understand what you're talking about.
>i was only pretending to be retarded
In food or not, its still pure glutamate, not incorporated into proteins.

I'm going to give you an hour or two to think. I hope you will make use of it. I'll circle back once my dinner is underway.

[Anonymous No.10697387]

>>10697366
what makes you think that MSG can't be combined with proteins in the process of cooking?

[Anonymous No.10697418]

>>10689569
This reads like a shill post, why are the jews shilling against msg?

[Anonymous No.10697742]

>>10689505
Just a moment ago it was on news radio how MSG fearmongering was all just based on misinformation.

[Anonymous No.10697839]

it gives me migraines.

>eat msg
>get migraines
>learn about connection between msg and migraines
>start reading ingredient labels
>avoid msg
>less migraines
>occasionally eat msg on purpose just to test it out
>get migraines each time
>start to read about how msg intolerance is bullshit
>start wondering if maybe I'm having some psychosomatic reaction where I get migraines because I expect to get them
>stop reading ingredient labels
>don't know whether I'm eating msg or not
>every time I get a migraine after eating something, check label
>msg every single time
>check for other common factors
>none
>start reading labels again and avoiding msg
>stop having migraines after meals
I mean I didn't win the nobel prize for life sciences or anything, so maybe it's not rigorous enough, but it proved it to my satisfaction. that being said, I see a lot of people eat it and not have a reaction. so I think it's some kind of individual thing.

as for
>your body makes glutamates, therefore you can't have a reaction to it
idk man, there are lots of diseases where the body basically turns on itself, and certain people will get them while the vast majority of the population doesn't. so just because it's a natural product of your body isn't a solid reason for it to not cause bad reactions in some people.

[Anonymous No.10697849]

>>10697839
you could just be allergic

[Anonymous No.10697985]

>>10697849
Not sure if dumb or retarded.
>I was only pretending to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.10697988]

>>10697387
What makes you think 100% of the MSG is incorporated into proteins?

[Anonymous No.10698020]

>>10697988
you're the one speaking in absolutes claiming that added msg is inherently bad

[Anonymous No.10698110]

>>10698020
>absolutes
>science
Try again.

[Anonymous No.10698751]

>>10689563
>Some people have a reaction to msg but it's not bad for you if you're not a retard with it.
I've seen zero evidence of this. Just a bunch of anecdotal reports from retards.

[Anonymous No.10698794]

>>10698751
anecdotal reports of the msg reaction or the if you're not a retard part?