/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10637701]

Redpill me on copper cookware. Is it the best? Is it a meme? What do you cook with?

[Anonymous No.10637725]

I cook with the literal cheapest stuff you can get at Walmart. Because I can actually cook, it all turns out fine and nobody know the difference.

Don't be cheap with your oven/stove however.

[Anonymous No.10637760]

I have copper, but i also have stainless and cast iron.
Here is my newest piece, got it for $5 at an estate sale.


I have never bought copper at full price, over the past 3-4 years i've managed to pick up around 10 different pieces, total paid under $400.

[Anonymous No.10637807]

>>10637760
Do you actually cook with it? How do you wash it?

[Anonymous No.10637876]

You cook whatever with it, it's cookware.
Like everything else, the reason to buy enthusiast level equipment is that you want to use enthusiast level equipment.
Buy copper if you want to spend a bunch of money on nice looking, dubiously superior enthusiast level cookware that requires actual maintenance and care.

[Anonymous No.10637900]

>>10637701
It's about 10x more heat conductive than a steel alloy, but I can't think of any other difference copper would make.
I bet it's a bitch to care for compared to SS tho. Never had copper equipment.

[Anonymous No.10637917]

I'd skip it if I were you. There's no real point. Save your money for quality food instead.

[Anonymous No.10637921]

>>10637807
there’s some anon who collects it and only uses it on special occasions. otherwise he mostly polishes it autistically. might be the same guy

[Anonymous No.10637978]

Copper is 100% a meme. Yeah, per gram it has better heat distribution than aluminum, but aluminum is so much cheaper but you can buy restaurant supply pan with a thick as fuck aluminum base for like $20-30 that will have better distribution than a $100+ copper pan with average thickness.

The thing is with copper is that it actually has lower heat capacity compared to aluminum, so it sucks balls for cooking meats or anything you need to give a good sear because it looses heat so fast. The only good thing about copper is if you want to show off how rich you are, just hang a bunch of copper shit around your kitchen.

[Anonymous No.10637995]

>>10637807
Wash it like normal, just make sure to dry it fully.

Yes I cook with it, but not everything I cook needs to be cooked in copper.

I have a 14" cast iron skillet that is far more suitable when i'm cooking large volumes at once, than using a 10" copper skillet.

Though if i'm pan frying fish, that copper skillet is going to be great for more accurate temp control and ability to quickly remove the heat when needed.

[Anonymous No.10638014]

>>10637978
They're fantastically non-stick for the first 4 months until the near invisible layer of ceramic or whatever is gone and it's a copper pan. Then the thin layer of copper starts to wear off and it's a dangerous copper aluminum pan.

The fuck is this even legal? It's still safe to toast croutons in right?

[Anonymous No.10638015]

>>10637701
Pro: Copper has the highest thermal conductivity of any metal

Cons: copper is soft and prone to corrosion (oxidation)

[Anonymous No.10638023]

>>10637701
A lot of copper is meme copper, the good shit is all expensive.

Brass handles like the OP pic are usually a sign that their meant to be displayed more than used. Most chefs that are using their copper actively prefer cast iron handles as they stay cooler to the touch than the brass. However, since the brass looks nicer, it's common to see on cheaper pieces.

The main thing to look for to determine if a piece is good or not is the copper thickness. anything under 2mm is a waste. Good copper pieces have real heft, if it feels light for it's size, it's probably not as much copper as you'd want.

I prefer avoiding rolled sides on pieces because it makes it harder to determine exactly how thick the copper is.

[Anonymous No.10638031]

>>10638014
Anything with a ceramic layer isn't actually copper, you're talking about the "as seen on TV" bullshit "copper"

Real copper is stainless steel lined, Tin lined, or in rare cases silver lined.

[Anonymous No.10638048]

>>10638014
>copper aluminum pan
nigga, OP is talking about actual copper, as in, pure copper with a simple lining of stainless steel.

He isn't talking about stainless with copper core, or cheap ass copper with aluminum.

[Anonymous No.10638248]

>>10638023
Any thought on vintage/antique pieces? Are they good to use to cook or do they degrade over time if they’ve never been used?

[Anonymous No.10638273]

>>10638248
They're good, but if they're tin, you may need to have it re-tinned.

And depending on the size, can get pricey.

The large pot on the back left I got for ~$50. Was 2-3x that to get it retinned.
And several hours to polish it back up to something presentable.

[Anonymous No.10638334]

>>10638273
post moar

[Anonymous No.10638604]

>>10638273
oh fugg

[Anonymous No.10638640]

>>10638273
Oh mah god nigga, that is my dream stove

[Anonymous No.10639795]

>>10638334
>>10638604
>>10638640
I'm off to work, only pictures are old ones, but here is most of my copper.

[Anonymous No.10639801]

>>10638014
t. poorfag with a big mouth

[Anonymous No.10639805]

>>10637701
yes it's a meme

[Anonymous No.10639807]

>>10639795
>>10638273
>perfectly polished
People like you are the reason mauviel 150 is basically all that anyone sells these days

[Anonymous No.10639914]

>>10639807
Only the pot hanging is perfectly polished there. The rest aren't. And almost every piece is 2-3mm thick copper.
I see thinner pieces unless they're smaller and or unique.

[Anonymous No.10639919]

>>10639914
>see
Sell

[Anonymous No.10639924]

>>10638015
False, thermal conductivity goes to silver

[Anonymous No.10639928]

>>10639924
Yes but price for performance, copper is the obvious choice.
Electroplated silver linings aren't unheard of though.

[Anonymous No.10639937]

>>10638031
I unironically bought two of these pans (copper chef) and I really like them. The egg thing is bullshit but nothing sticks and they are easy to wash.

[Anonymous No.10639944]

>>10639937
Compared to similar priced pans they're fine. Nothing special though.

[Anonymous No.10640007]

>>10639795
have you tried these with an induction hob?

[Anonymous No.10640014]

>>10640007
Why would anyone try that? Copper doesn't work on induction. You must have a ferrous metal. Which is one of the reasons why induction hobs suck.

[Anonymous No.10640121]

>>10640007
No, they'd need adapter plates and with a wolf gas range, why would I bother?

[Anonymous No.10640989]

>>10639807
>People like you are the reason mauviel 150
People who buy antique copper instead of new copper are the reason Mauviel mainly sells 1.5mm copper?

You'll need to explain that one to me.

[Anonymous No.10640993]

>>10639944
Beautiful double dubs there, anon.
Checked.

[Anonymous No.10641002]

>>10640993
you almost got trips yourself

[Anonymous No.10641007]

>>10641002
Damn!

[Anonymous No.10641016]

>>10640989
Most people who buy antique copper want it for decorative purposes, not to actually cook in. That's also the purpose of Mauviel 1.5mm. It's decorative.

[Anonymous No.10641029]

>>10639924
Yes you are correct, my bad

I just don't think of precious metals when I want to buy cookware.

[Anonymous No.10641044]

>>10639924
Silver is also much softer than copper so it is not a suitable substitute in the context of this thread.

[Anonymous No.10641105]

>>10641044
you underestimate the autism here

[Anonymous No.10641162]

>>10637978
aliminum is posionous dimbfuck. it literally causes the ‘tism

[Anonymous No.10641169]

>>10637725
I'm not really a good cook and I have a medium sized cast iron skillet, a bigger stainless steel one, and a big almost wok-like carbon steel skillet. Still I often grab my ordinary non-stick, simply because it's within reach. Steaks still turn out delicious, it's the strangest thing.

[Anonymous No.10641207]

>>10641162
Yeah, the same way that scabs cause cuts and how white blood cells cause infections?

Aluminum is one of the most common elements on earth. It's everywhere. If it were toxic to people the human race would be long dead.

[Anonymous No.10641223]

>>10641207
aluminium is toxic and chronic exposure has been shown to have serious detrimental effects.


Sure its not like mercury or cadmium, but still not good.
you're dumb

[Anonymous No.10641231]

>>10641044
It should be strong enough for a pan. They even make knives out of it, hence the term silverware.

[Anonymous No.10641235]

>>10641223
Then why isn't literally every human on earth dead or sick? Aluminum is impossible to avoid. It's like you're saying that chronic exposure to nitrogen is toxic.

[Anonymous No.10641242]

>>10641235
You clearly know absolutely nothing about toxicity

[Anonymous No.10641245]

>>10641235
because people dont eat aluminum

[Anonymous No.10641254]

>>10641231
The blades on most silverware are not silver, but rather steel. Only the handles are silver.

[Anonymous No.10641258]

>>10641245
What part of aluminum is everywhere do you not understand? You might not be swallowing chunks of it directly, but you touch it every day. It's in the ground and therefore is absorbed by vegetables. You eat it by proxy when you consume just about anything.

[Anonymous No.10641278]

>>10641258
It doesn't accumulate in your body indefinitely

So it is more of a matter of intake vs out-take which is mediated by a host of other things such as the rest of your diet, exercise, and genetics.

Doesn't mean it isn't toxic, doesn't mean it can't cause chronic problems, and doesn't mean it can't reach levels that are acutely toxic.

You're Fucking Stupid and do not understand biology or toxicology whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.10641290]

>>10641258
You're right. People get a certain amount of aluminum inside every day. There's a certain amount the body is able to get rid of, which shouldn't be exceeded. Apparently using aluminum foil for cooking can already surpass the daily maximum, didn't know that either.

[Anonymous No.10641323]

>>10641278
>doesn't mean it can't cause chronic problems,
That's exactly what it means. Given how common Aluminum is on the earth it's ludicrous to assert that doesn't cause chronic problems outside of contrived situations.

And if we look at contrived situations--people that work in aluminum refining and casting businesses, the metalworking industry in general, you simply don't see any kind of appreciable rates of aluminum-related illness.

I'm sure it could be acutely toxic given some silly contrived circumstances, but that also applies to something as benign as water.

[Anonymous No.10641351]

>>10641323
>That's exactly what it means.
you didn't read anything I wrote did you and you still cling to the idea that all toxic things are equally toxic

Surprise surprise chemistry and biology are complicated, really complicated. Like you need to be a scientist to really understand them, but I'm sure YOU know better

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2782734/

You are unbelievably feeble minded

[Anonymous No.10641374]

>>10641044
Found some actual silver pans.
a 12 inch only costs a mere 5500USD, mwah.
https://soy-turkiye.myshopify.com/products/soy-gnt-series-pure-solid-silver-frying-pans?variant=27846027851

[Anonymous No.10641386]

>>10641374
How long is the warranty?

Silver oxidizes fairly easily and reacts with sulfur in the air super fast
(your farts turn it black)

[Anonymous No.10641387]

>>10641351
>you didn't read anything I wrote did you
I read it, applied my experience, and concluded that you are making a mountain out of a proverbial molehill.

>>Surprise surprise chemistry and biology are complicated, really complicated.
I'm well aware. My background is in materials science. Which is why it's ludicrous to assert that aluminum is appreciably toxic. If you have to resort to saying "Well, it's really complicated" then it's not a significant risk now is it?

[Anonymous No.10641393]

>>10641386
But my farts turn everything black.

[Anonymous No.10641455]

>>10641386
>Lifetime "Heritage" Warranty for all our products, not only for the first owner, but also for the generations coming after him / her.
The black may just serve as seasoning, kek.
Seriously though, silver is a noble metal which means it doesn't oxidize easily. I have a silver ring which I've worn every day since I got it 20 years ago. Besides the patine it came with (only in the grooves), it hasn't discolored in a noticeable way. And even if, silver polish is always an option.

[Anonymous No.10641469]

>>10641387
>you are making a mountain out of a proverbial molehill.

no, i'm pointing out that you lack the ability to differentiate

your asserting that things are either toxic or non-toxic, which is beyond fucking stupid. Basically there is 0 then 1, but nothing in between because you're an extremist.

>My background is in materials science
Let me see a pic of your faggy iron ring

t. Post doc in materials science

[Anonymous No.10641492]

>>10641455
>doesn't oxidize easily
yeah, except when you heat it up. Do you cook things on your silver ring?


Silver cookware is very problematic and very expensive, all it offers over copper is a slight increase in thermal conductivity which is already unnecessarily high in copper cookware.

[Anonymous No.10641520]

>>10641469
>are either toxic or non-toxic, which is beyond fucking stupid
No, it's practical. Whether or not alumnimum might maybe toxic in contrived circumstances isn't relevant. What is relevant here is asking ourselves the question is aluminum sufficiently toxic that we should't use it for cooking. The answer to that question is either yes or no. And I say it's "no". The hundreds of millions of examples of aluminum cookware in use worldwide would tend to support my position.

Do you go around telling people not to drink water because of water intoxication?

[Anonymous No.10641525]

>>10641492
>Do you cook things on your silver ring?
No, but I put it in heated up holes occasionally.

I'm not interested in a silver vs copper discussion btw. Feel free to have it, but I just wanted to show silver cookware is actually a thing.

[Anonymous No.10641531]

>>10641525
>No, but I put it in heated up holes occasionally.
lol

for the record
silver and copper cookware are for hipsters

[Anonymous No.10641552]

>>10641520

I would tell people not to drink so much water it causes them to end up in the hospital

I know a guy who did that because hew was trying to 'cleanse' himself. Apart from the fact that he is an idiot, your logic states that you can't hurt yourself with water, when you clearly can.

And hey, minor damage to your organs from eating aluminium is ok as long as you if you don't notice right?


fuck you buddy, we're all going to die, but your massive levels of ignorance is appalling.

It would be acceptable to say "I don't care if its bad" instead you say "I don't think its bad therefore all research and evidence showing clearly that it is bad is false"

[Anonymous No.10641557]

>>10641520
>Do you go around telling people not to drink water?
You must be new here.

[Anonymous No.10641559]

>>10641393
lol

[Anonymous No.10641587]

>>10641552
>your logic states that you can't hurt yourself with water, when you clearly can.
Nah, my logic states that the chance of you hurting yourself with water is so rare and requires such a great deal of idiocy that we can generalize water consumption as safe.

Same thing with aluminum, really.

>>"I don't think its bad therefore all research and evidence showing clearly that it is bad is false"
That's not what I'm saying at all.
My point is that any negative effects are rare and obscure enough that, like water, we can generalize it as safe. If you'd like to quote me: "science has yet to prove that its negative effects are common enough, or severe enough, to conclude that we should stop using aluminum cookware"

I'm not saying that evidence doesnt exist. I'm saying that it's not signficant enough to warrant action.

>>And hey, minor damage to your organs from eating aluminium is ok as long as you if you don't notice right?
Yes, exactly. If we were worried about every little thing that caused insignificant levels of harm we'd be living in the proverbial bubble.

[Anonymous No.10641607]

>>10641587
>rare and obscure enough that,
but they're not rare and obscure, they are common and affect everyone
they're just small and scale with dosage.


whatever

you're dumb,

[Anonymous No.10641647]

>>10641607
Fine, I'll correct my quote for your easily triggered pedantic spergbrain:

Aluminum's pruported negative effects are small enough to be considered insignificant; therefore it is logical to conclude that there is no practical reason to avoid aluminum cookware.

[Anonymous No.10641653]

>>10641647
Asbestos' pruported(sp!) negative effects are small enough to be considered insignificant; therefore it is logical to conclude that there is no practical reason to avoid asbestos in houses.

[Anonymous No.10641661]

>>10641653
Except that people got cancer and died left and right from asbestos exposure, yet even with modern medicine it is unheard of for anyone to have significant symptoms from aluminum.

Thanks for playing though!

[Anonymous No.10642753]

>>10637701
Copper cookware is essentially the opposite end of the spectrum of cookware from cast iron. It is the best choice if what you need is rapid response and fine temperature control- hence why a lot of high-end pastry kitchens and the sauce line in high end restaurants use them. If you need to cook something that requires delicate temperature manipulation, copper cookware is the best choice. It's generally quite expensive, though, and unless it's lined with tin or steel it's also reactive.

On the plus side, it's actually easier to clean than most people think- a quick scrub with a paste of lemon juice or vinegar and salt will scour it clean, then just rinse thoroughly with water and dry off.

>>10641661
Ehhh long-term aluminum exposure is increasingly linked to degenerative neurological diseases like Alzheimer's. It definitely leaches into your food if you're using aluminum cookware.

[Anonymous No.10643327]

>>10641016
>people who buy antique copper want it for decorative purposes, not to actually cook in.
Speak for yourself. Most people are idiots. Why should I care what most people do with their copper?

All of the antique copper I use is good thick copper, rarely do I keep something thin unless it's specifically something more unique in design to begin with.

[Anonymous No.10643369]

>>10638273
...More pics of that stove please?

[Anonymous No.10643588]

>>10637701
Imo nothing beats glass cookware.

[Anonymous No.10643601]

>>10643588
Almost everything beats glass

[Anonymous No.10643619]

Copper is good for fish. When you need exacting temp control.

Cast iron is good for searing, frying, baking, slow cooking,browning, etc

Stainless is for acidic, sauces, sauteeing

Ceramic, enamel, non stick, is for general purposes and eggs.

[Anonymous No.10643642]

>>10643601
>>10643601
Nothing is cleaner for cookng. Noob cooks will complain about heat etc. Glass is the cleanest thing you can cook with. Noobs can go scrape their job stick teflon chipping pans and suck it.

[Anonymous No.10643644]

>>10641258
>bacteria are everywhere and unavoidable, thats why nobody ever died due to infections
that's exactly how stupid you sound

[Anonymous No.10643650]

>>10637978

Copper is also around three times as dense as aluminum, meaning that the volumetric heat capacity is actually superior to an aluminum pan of the same geometry.

[Anonymous No.10643654]

>>10643642
Youre in a thread about copper cookware so your immediate comparison is to Teflon???

[Anonymous No.10643661]

>>10641455
your ring has a nice protective coating of your skin oils on it that prevent tarnishing

[Anonymous No.10644604]

>>10643654
ya that was a dumb comment. sorry. It appears real copper pans do not have teflon.

I've seen pans marketed as "copper" in the store coated with teflon and it seemed silly.

[Anonymous No.10644628]

you all should make a distinction between 100% pure copper cookware, and copper pans that are just lined with copper on the outside to increase heat spread and lower heating time.

copper is badass. i'm wearing copper right now. only cucks cook with stupid cheap bullshit with toxic chemical linings.

copper is also self-cleansing, naturally antibacterial. get rekt if you aren't investing heavily in copper related items right now.

[Anonymous No.10644678]

>>10640989
Correct.

Shiny copper = decorative copper.

If all of your copper is shiny, you don't cook with it.

[Anonymous No.10644680]

>>10643327
>I use
It would seem otherwise, unless you have a unique definition of "use" that encompasses "taking pictures of for the insta-gramme" and doesn't involve cooking

[Anonymous No.10644699]

God this copper collection guy is remarkably irritating. Didn't he brag about this meme shit last week?

[Anonymous No.10644704]

>>10644680
No, you just seem to think if you're not using the same copper pan daily it's somehow not being used.

Copper doesn't get fucked up nearly as fast as you're pretending it does, further, having many different pieces of copper allows me to use the most appropriate for the occasion, I could use a different piece of copper daily for 2 weeks and not use the same piece twice.

[Anonymous No.10644712]

>>10644704
>get fucked up
What did your mom tell you would happen if you use her precious copper pans?

[Anonymous No.10644720]

>>10644712
Lmao, I bet you've never even used copper, let alone owned a piece.

Do you use paper plates too since real dishes get dirty?

[Anonymous No.10644727]

>>10644720
>Do you use paper plates too since real dishes get dirty?
Yeah I mean, I'd better, right? Because using stuff fucks it up.

You're one of those families that has plastic bags on all the living room furniture, aren't you.

[Anonymous No.10644735]

>>10644727
I enjoy triggering poor people

Now please, reply and tell me how it's me who's actuality triggered here, I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.10644740]

>>10644735
I know right? Imagine being so poor that you don't even need plastic bags over your living room furniture because you have nothing to protect.

[Anonymous No.10644750]

>>10644735
You enjoy being a fucking idiot who worships a single material cooking solution. You could be cooked under the table with practically any other type of pan... oh sorry """"piece""" as you refer to it, since its just decoration and not actually being used.

[Anonymous No.10644754]

>>10644740
Youre the one making up shit to attempt to make me seem autistic, I have a normal leather couch and a recliner. Youre also the one pretending copper somehow needs to be polished after every use or it looks shitty (blatantly untrue by the way and just further showcases your idiocy).

Honestly man, you just sound poor and butt hurt. If you didn't care you'd avoid the thread, the fact you've replied at least a half dozen times only further proves how much this matters to you.

[Anonymous No.10644758]

>>10644750
>since its just decoration and not actually being used.
Lmao, idiots abound.
You have no idea how often I use my copper and pretending you do based on visual appearance in pictures is hilarious

[Anonymous No.10644765]

>>10644754
>Youre also the one pretending copper somehow needs to be polished after every use
How would you know, though?

> looks shitty
t. average Mauviel M150 customer, protip: if you paint the copper in a layer of clear lacquer it will never be "destroyed" by exposure to air and all your houseguests will be jealous of your awesome real copper pans

Also you are being mocked by two people right now, enjoy lashing out at everyone

[Anonymous No.10644771]

>>10644765
>How would you know, though?
Because I cook with it regularly
>t. average Mauviel M150 customer
Are you actually retarded? Most of my collection is not in prefect polished condition as I've already shown. >>10639795
Only one of those was polished recently when that picture was taken, and it's obvious which one. It slowly fades to the brown color of the others after use. That's normal and fine. If you don't polish it at ALL then you start getting black scale and similar discolorations that start to look shitty.

I polish copper maybe once a year, it's not some massive chore and it's far from being a reason to not own copper

[Anonymous No.10644782]

>>10644771
>Because I cook with it regularly
And by "regularly" you mean "on special occasions where appropriate". No doubt the same occasions when the plastic comes off the furniture?

> Most of my collection is not in prefect [sic] polished condition
Most of your collection looks like it came home from Williams-Sonoma this weeekend, if that extremely mild oxidation is "fucked up" then I would suggest you send it off to a professional to have it polished properly (you might ruin it if you polish it wrong), then send it off to another professional to have it painted with the clear lacquer I was talking about earlier. Then hang it up above your stove, by keeping it on shelves like a poorfag you are defeating the purpose of copper.

[Anonymous No.10644783]

>>10644758
When I cook with my stainless stuff, it just gets cleaned and its good to go. I don't have to polish it so when people come over they go "oh wow those must have cost you a fortune!". You know damn well you use those for the show/wow factor. Any thermal property advantage you might have is completely negated by the upkeep factor... extra work for not really any perceivable day-to-day gain.

[Anonymous No.10644785]

>>10644782
>looks like it came home from Williams-Sonoma this weeekend
Confirmed for having never even owned copper

No point continuing your LARP

[Anonymous No.10644788]

>>10644782
>>10644783
Nice, exactly 60 seconds apart, almost like on a timer...

[Anonymous No.10644791]

>>10644788
hahaha you're so assblasted two people are calling you out the only thing you can do is "time" the posts.

[Anonymous No.10644796]

>>10644785
I don't have enough honored house guests to justify having something like that, I'd use (take pictures of) it even less than you. I have Copp-R-Chef brand fake copper, if you don't look too close you might think it's the real luxury Mauviel M150 display copper

>>10644788
Lol

[Anonymous No.10646260]

>>10637701
If you have to ask you don't need them. I use them only at work when there is some important guest that might come in the kitchen. For the rest of the time i just use regular pots and pans. Buy them if you like them but they're not going to make you a better cook since you have to learn how to cook with them.

[Anonymous No.10646273]

>>10637725
this

[Anonymous No.10646295]

holy shit, this thread…
I have seen some autistic fights on here, but on copper (and that minor Al skirmish), that's a whole new level.

[Anonymous No.10646321]

>>10644791
>assblasted

[Anonymous No.10647526]

>>10646295
I’m surprised it wasn’t deleted desu

nothing other than jackposting, youtube, and mcdonalds is allowed on neo-/ck/

[Anonymous No.10647733]

I like my copper canele molds.