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how can i stop drinking

>> No.10441730

>>10441728
Kratom

>> No.10441732

You have to really want to stop. Go to rehab if you're drinking so much that the withdrawals are going to kill you. Fill your empty moments with something to do. Imagine living life as a king and not a drunk beggar.

>> No.10441737

put down the bottle u alchy fagget

>> No.10441760

start taking melatonin every night. you can't mix it with alcohol and you'll sleep great. soon you will be addicted to sleep instead.

>> No.10441776

>>10441728
Step 1: Don't drink

>> No.10441786

Remember to hide all pepe/wojack threads for a more fulfilling /ck/ browsing experience. Thank you for your time!

>> No.10441788
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>>10441786
das rite white boi, and remember to always bump stealth pony thredz

>> No.10441815

>>10441760
the only time ive ever pissed the bed is if ive been drinking and stupidly took a 5mg pill of melatonin.

>> No.10441817

>>10441760
>You can't mix melatonin with alcohol
Really? Because I have, and haven't had any issues.

>> No.10441829

Holy shit,seems like every one who drinks in /ck/ is a fucking alcoholic. Why can't people simply enjoy alcohol and drink once in a while?

>> No.10441830

>>10441728
Switch to weed

>> No.10441831

Take it easy and don't beat yourself up for falling off the horse.

I really wanted to get over my drinking when I started a vlog while absolutely wasted. It was embarrass even though it never made it past the little FBI man who lives in my phone.

>> No.10441834

>>10441829
if youre on 4chan you probably lead a sad life. also, lots of underage amerimutts who think one beer a day makes them an alcoholic and not just someone who enjoys beer

>> No.10441847

>>10441829
The majority of /ck/ drinkers aren't alcoholics. A lot of them come from other boards as well

>> No.10441966

>>10441817
yeah well, maybe you got lucky. you really shouldn't mix and thats not something I'm making up

>> No.10441970

>>10441728
Just force yourself to quit. Finding some distraction helps get through that first week or two

>> No.10441978

Quit cold turkey anon

>> No.10441994
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>> No.10442021

>>10441994
>glass pipes

OW FUCK MY HANDS

>> No.10442073

>>10441728
Have you tried not drinking?

>> No.10442082

>>10441760
Melatonin+alcohol is the only guarantee i get 8 hours of sleep. I think it's like taking melatonin in general and it affects large sectors of people differently.
I do really need to cut down, but just to save face, I work 52 hours a week for good money at high personal stakes, so stress is inherent and I'm not exactly the demographic here. Good luck to you all regardless.

>> No.10442096

>>10441737
t. 17 year old

>> No.10442097

>>10442021
So dumb

>> No.10442099

>>10442082
Biz owner here can confirm booze is medicine

>> No.10442143

let yourself get a beer gut then look at yourself with disgust until you give it up its what I did now I only drink saturdays if there is a fight on

>> No.10442159

>>10441730
This
Or get help. Its hard if not impossible to do alone.

>> No.10442300

>>10441788
>Sage doesn't exist
Dumb frogposters.

>> No.10442521

>>10442159
The hardest part for me is lying to my doctor at the clinic about going to AA.
I tried telling them straight up for a few months that I just don't go because "I don't feel the need." but they keep pushing that shit on you like a salesperson.
I seriously have no fucking urges to drink because the Vivitrol I get destroyed any urges so I don't need the group therapy.

>> No.10442534

>>10442521
Lmao, dude there is a reason you drink and it's that your life sucks. You are running away because you are a pussy. Confront your problems head on.

>> No.10442536

>>10441966
Where did you hear this?

Melatonin isn't like benzos or actual sleeping pills. All the studies I've seen show little to no effect.

>> No.10442540

>>10442534
Found the cult member

>> No.10442551

>>10441728
Smoke weed

>> No.10442553

>>10442540
That doesn't sound like something an AA cultist would say. The AA model for alcoholism is that alcoholics have an innate 'allergy' to alcohol which causes them to drink to excess no matter how good their lives are.

>> No.10442563

>>10442540
I'm not aa. But I respect Carl Jung, the guy responsible for creating it. The cult teaches pathologically selfish people to help others and reach self actualization. You should read some Joseph Campbell and Jung. You're likely terrified of looking inward because you know that you'll find out you're a scared bitch.

>> No.10442571

>>10442082
The best sleep of my life was from when I was working out and eating well. When I drink a lot, I eat like shit out of laziness and gluttony. Start by eating healthy things, drink a lot of water, and exercise. The booze will go away on its own

>> No.10442578

>>10442553
Which makes it weird because I don't have an urge to drink, and when I did go for a one on one therapy session with the psychiatrist I only had at most like three sessions before he wen't "Well, if you do feel the need to come back here for anything you are more then welcome too, but as far as I can see we are good here." and signed off my "graduation" paper.

>> No.10442581

>>10441728
1. You have to actually really, truly WANT TO. Otherwise it won't happen.
I'll go to step 2 after you've decided.

>> No.10442582

>>10442578
So how did you end up there in the first place?

>> No.10442587

>>10442582
His office is next door to the clinic and the doctor had him corner me in the office to introduce himself.
So I basically said "fuck it" and agreed to go in for a few sessions.
What was the worse that could happen?

>> No.10442592

>>10442587
What doctor?

>> No.10442597

>>10442563
Carl Jung did not create it and people who drink too much are not necessarily selfish nor are they "alcoholic" i.e. chemically dependant in many cases. It is as far from Jungian in practice as can be. I was court ordered to go for a number of months and they tried to convince me i was alcoholic. My therapist had a different opinion and now after a year of antidepressant therapy which i also quit i am able to drink moderately. I think AA prevents people from pursuing the help they actually need

>> No.10442603

>>10442592
The addiction clinic doctor?
Granted I am like the one oddball alcoholic in that place, they mostly deal with drugs.

>> No.10442604

>>10442597
You were court ordered?

>> No.10442605
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>>10442563
>I'm not aa. But I respect Carl Jung, the guy responsible for creating it.

AA was started by Bill Wilson and his friend Dr. Bob Smith. It was primarily based on a religious sect called the Oxford Group, which predates Carl Jung's writings by several years. Any influence by Jung is secondary.

>The cult teaches pathologically selfish people to help others and reach self actualization.
And it tries to pigeonhole everyone who drinks to excess as pathologically selfish, because Bill was such a narcissist that he projected his own psychology onto every other alcoholic.

The Big Book doesn't even really try to fix selfishness. For example, it contains a section written to the wives of alcoholics telling them not to prevent their newly sober alcoholic husbands from smoking because that would lead to them relapsing and beating them, so it would be the wives' fault.

>> No.10442610

>>10442604
Yes that is really common here in the u.s. I drunkenly got into a fight with a cop. Not really proud of it but at the time i was dealing with untreated depression and generally bad circumstances and my bad choices became a vicious circle.

>> No.10442624

>>10442605
Wearing a security blanket and not facing life is pathologically selfish. That's what substance abuse is.

>> No.10442662

>>10442624
Everyone acts selfishly and Jung might suggest that everyone possesses a number of fundamentally selfish and malevolent aspects the socalled "shadow". But you cannot get rid of the shadow no matter how actualized you become. You have to accept it first and hopefully learn how to use it. Moralizing yourself is not how this is done.

>> No.10442679

>>10442662
There is virtue to productive selfishness. There is none to destructive.

>> No.10442687

>>10442624
Well sure, if you want to use an overly broad definition, then substance abuse has an element of selfishness, but reducing it to just a problem of selfishness is silly. Bill Wilson's main problem was certainly narcissism (which he never actually fixed, as he continued to neglect his wife throughout his life and his autobiography is filled with exaggerations and straight-up falsehoods).

Bill Wilson's assumption that selfishness was every alcoholic's main problem was selfishness (and his bizarre claim that his family, and every alcoholic's family, was also alcoholic and thus selfish) was just his narcissism talking.

And that's not even getting into his bizzare conception of God as some sort of a talisman deity that can be manipulated using a foolproof set of steps.

>> No.10442693

>>10442679
Moral absolutes are hopeless. Destruction is sometimes necessary to new creation.

>> No.10442694

>>10442687
The important steps are 1, 4, 5, and 12.

>> No.10442695

>>10442693
Is self and mutual destruction creative? Maybe your neglected children will grow up to be great artists thanks to your behavior?

>> No.10442707

>>10442521
>I seriously have no fucking urges to drink
So.... problem sovled?

>> No.10442716

>Everyone chomping the bait so readily
Man there's just no helping some people.

>> No.10442720

>>10442694
I'll keep that in mind in case I ever develop a substance abuse problem, it just seems a bit conceited to assume that God can be controlled in such a foolproof way. Maybe it's because of my upbringing (I'm not an American Protestant) but it strikes be as tacky.

>> No.10442728

>>10442597
Cant disagree with that. Aa doesnt attempt to go deep into the mind. It tries to short cut by "submitting yourself to a higher power" which does have its benifits.

>> No.10442737

>>10442720
The real idea behind that part appears to be ego death to me. If you don't kill your ego you can't then look at yourself objectively.

>> No.10442798

>>10442707
Basically.
But they still go "Are you suuuure you don't still need AA?"

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>>10441788
I always bump "stealth" pony threads just to trigger people autistic enough to still care about that fucking show.

>> No.10442812

While AA isn't perfect, it's helped me stay sober almost 2.5 years. You are going to hear some misguided and incorrect stuff from some AA people too, but help is there. You might have to try a few meetings before you find a good one depending on where you are.

>> No.10442816

>>10442808
Hey now, alcoholics are trying to have a chat.

>> No.10442863

>>10442563
Cringe

>> No.10442883

>>10442563
>"I'm not a cult member, but I can totally get Jim Jones."

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>>10441994
I'm addicted to THC, but I don't plan on kicking the habit, because I know that I'm just a useless piece of shit, sedating myself until my inevitable live-streamed suicide. See you on /r9k/!

>> No.10444272

>>10444184
There's hope still anon. What are your interests?

>> No.10444594

>>10442571
>its
only good advice i saw on /b in ages
i just drinking and smoking like this after 8 years of binging on both

>> No.10444607

>>10441728
Pretty fucking easily since it's one of the least interesting and least pleasant recreational drugs in existence. Just start smoking cannabis instead.

>> No.10444663

>>10442563
Take note kids, this is how a junkie talks

>> No.10444701

>tfw started AA recently
>tfw everyone seems really nice and says they've done well out of it but all I hear is horror stories about it being a cult

I'm in bongland so I don't know if that makes it any different, from what I've seen they're very clear about not telling you what to do or any of that

>> No.10444738

>>10441728
Drop some acid, best cure for any addiction.

>> No.10444745

>>10444184
That's just what happens after you take a depressant long enough... you get depressed. Quitting is difficult but not impossible, it takes commitment. You have to fill that boredom and escapism with something else that is positive. You can do it.

>> No.10444777

>>10442737
Psilocybin helps
But only if honest

>> No.10445238

>>10441760
not an alc, but curious--will most any brand of melatonin help with sleep, or do you need to research high-quality stuff?

>> No.10446028

>>10444738
This mixed with stomach pains that lasted for days worked for me. Ofc now I do acid every week and vape weed most days. Still a lot healthier than alcohol ime.

>> No.10446064

>>10442597
>"alcoholic" i.e. chemically dependant
do you disagree with the definition on wikipedia?
>In a medical context, alcoholism is said to exist when two or more of the following conditions is present: a person drinks large amounts over a long time period, has difficulty cutting down, acquiring and drinking alcohol takes up a great deal of time, alcohol is strongly desired, usage results in not fulfilling responsibilities, usage results in social problems, usage results in health problems, usage results in risky situations, withdrawal occurs when stopping, and alcohol tolerance has occurred with use.

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>>10446064
>Wikipedia.