/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10262637]

which country makes the best wines?

[Anonymous No.10262639]

Slotnia

[Anonymous No.10262640]

America, but pretentious europoors will claim otherwise
>I-its not REAL champagne unless it's made in some flyover district in france BECAUSE WE SAID SO
kek

[Anonymous No.10262671]

Wine making is just agricultural science followed by food science.

Any country can make good wine if you throw enough money at it. It's like Qatar trying to buy culture with the megabucks and whoa look we have museum now. That's basically the California approach. Who cares if this wine costs $100, we cultured now.

Best bang for buck: Italy, Spain, France. Countries where wine is a thing to drink and not a niche hobby reserved exclusively for rich people.

>>10262640
You probably wouldn't like champagne. The yeasty flavors are offputting to neophytes. Try an Italian style bubbly. Also "pretentious" is pleb for "I have trailer trash parents who raised me to resent what I can't have", remove that word from your vocabulary unless you want to be stereotyped for your entire life.

[Anonymous No.10262698]

>>10262671
>pretentious twat gets defensive over use of the word pretentious

what a shock

[Anonymous No.10262703]

>>10262698
>I have nothing interesting to add but I would still like to participate
And that's the great thing about 4chan, anon-kun. There are no prerequisites for participation. You can try out many different boards, eventually you might even find one on a topic that you find interesting.

[Anonymous No.10262719]

>>10262703
I LIKE food, that's why I'm not an obsessive who won't eat a steak unless it comes from a specific 5 by 5 foot square space in eastern chile like you

[Anonymous No.10262726]

>>10262703
You literally called someone a neophyte, that's about as snobbish as it gets

[Anonymous No.10262733]

>>10262719
It's interesting that you should attribute a belief like that to me when I was pointing out that many places can produce good food. I also mentioned 4 different countries that produce good wine, while you argued that only 1 country was capable of producing good wine.

Doesn't it seem clear to you that you're the one who is being picky? Pickiness is usually a sign that a person hasn't been exposed to a wide variety of foodstuffs. Usually due to underprivileged upbringing. I'm sorry about your childhood, anon-kun.

[Anonymous No.10262735]

>>10262726
It's a simple factual statement with no judgment involved. And based on his post wouldn't you say it's an accurate characterization? Not everyone has to care about wine. There is no need to take it as a personal attack when someone makes a recommendation.

[Anonymous No.10262749]

>>10262671
>Best bang for buck: Italy, Spain, France
That's not even remotely true. Those countries produce great wine, for sure, but you get better value for money from Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and Chile.

[Anonymous No.10262759]

US, specifically San Diego.

[Anonymous No.10262766]

>>10262749
Chile I would agree gives those countries a run for the money in terms of affordable wines within a certain range of styles, particularly chardonnays and the red bordeaux varietals. Certainly not the other three. Argentina doesn't seem to know how to make wine without smothering it with oak. New Zealand doesn't seem to know how to match a grape with a climate. And Australia, where to even begin. Pig disgusting trash wines.

[Anonymous No.10262768]

>>10262735
take your autism meds

[Anonymous No.10262793]

china

[Anonymous No.10263026]

The Finger Lakes region of the US is one of the best places in the world for wine. The soil is somewhere in the top 1% of black dirts for growing wine grapes and the climate is somewhere between France and Italy, deep glacial lakes right under the vinyards. The biggest issue is the retards who own the wineries are by and large mixing strawberries and blueberries and bananas into their wines. For every Sheldrake theres ten Glenoras making half and half sweet red and cranberries

[Anonymous No.10263031]

>>10262640
>i've never tasted anything but american wine so it has to be the best
top kek
>>10262671
france isn't good bang for buck though

[Anonymous No.10263057]

Italy.

[Anonymous No.10263070]

France, obviously

[Anonymous No.10263144]

>>10262749
you can have a good wine for 4€ in france i doubt new world wine can be so cheap

[Anonymous No.10263199]

>>10263026
Fucking yes. Weimer makes some of the best whites in the world. Damiani makes killed reds. The entire region makes bone dry rosé that will make you cum.

[Anonymous No.10263212]

>>10262749
Depends where you are really, if you're in europe then the latin euro countries definitely have the best value. If you're close to latin america/oceania then of course the wine's from there is gonna have better value than euro wines.

[Anonymous No.10263235]

>>10262766
>New Zealand doesn't seem to know how to match a grape with a climate. And Australia, where to even begin. Pig disgusting trash wines.
I've had some decent kiwi pinot/sauvignon blanc and some good australian syrah, granted they were made by french producers who moved there but it's possible as long as you avoid the mass produced fruitbomb styled wines and saccharine overoaked chardonnays cause that's what the masses want.

[Anonymous No.10263349]

>>10263199
>Start my wine tour out in the middle of nowhere
>Had a reisling that just floored me considering it was in some backwoods holler winery
>They tell me its won a world reknown as being one of the best wines in America
>Buy a bottle for Danise' baby shower next week and one to hold onto for a rainy day
>Go to the next stop on my wine tasting tour
>An absolutely divine cabernet that would have gone perfectly with and in my mothers bolognese
>Took a major award in 2015 from a respected wine grading group
>Get off the bus at the next stop
>Pic related

[Anonymous No.10263415]

>>10262640
>Thinking America is the best at everything
Oh you Americans, you never change.

[Anonymous No.10263480]

>>10262637
Chile has some goddamn amazing wines.

But unfortunately, nothing beats Champagne. It's pretty much the Parmigiano Reggiano of wines.

[Anonymous No.10263649]

>>10263480
Champagne and wine are two completely different things.

[Anonymous No.10263694]

>>10263480
Prosecco > Champagne

[Anonymous No.10263723]

Chianti > Wine

[Anonymous No.10263732]

>>10263415
>europoor logic
why would we change from being the best?

[Anonymous No.10263740]

>>10263031
I’ll take any no-name monopole burg over a nasty new world pinot noir that costs $50 because muh napa tax any day. and bojo cru shits all over anything american when it comes to value red
>>10263199
weimer is great bang for buck
>>10263235
>kiwi sauv blanc
>decent
pick one

[Anonymous No.10263787]

>>10263415
I honestly feel bad for Europeans, they basically exist as a poor copy of Americans.

[Anonymous No.10263818]

>>10263787
do you have any specific comments about wine, or are you just here to shitpost?
I’d love an articulate opinion on why european wine is shit without regurgitating someone else’s opinion or a wikipedia article. or is that too much to expect? others are posting their hot opinions, some of which I agree with and some of which I disagree with. do you think you can manage that?

[Anonymous No.10263868]

>>10262637
Germany, I'm not even kidding

[Anonymous No.10263882]

>>10262637
South Africa.
Fight me.

[Anonymous No.10263916]

>>10263868
Germany has pretty good cheap white wine

[Anonymous No.10264078]

lol, not knowing that best wine comes from Argentina and France.

[Anonymous No.10264155]

>>10263882
red wine that tastes like a burning heap of gasoline soaked truck tires

yum

[Anonymous No.10264168]

>>10263349
Isn't that an extension of Earle Estates? Best Mead I've ever had, I get it by the case.

[Anonymous No.10264266]

DPRK, obviously.

[Anonymous No.10264338]

>>10263818
Euro wine is salty tasting

[Anonymous No.10264347]

>>10262637
If Californians would stop over oaking their shit then California but for now France

[Anonymous No.10264353]

AUSTRIA

No seriously, probably France.

[Anonymous No.10264371]

>>10263916
If you like horribly sweet wine I guess.

[Anonymous No.10264385]

>>10264371
>wat is acidity
try upgrading from blue nun

[Anonymous No.10264387]

Californian wines consistently beat famous French wines in blind taste-tests among even top European professionals.

Same thing with mid-western microbrews constantly beating famous German beers in objective blind taste tests (again, even when judged by German professionals)

I'm not saying all American wine and beer is better but it's not 1930 anymore...

[Anonymous No.10264422]

Wine from England is really good lads

[Anonymous No.10264432]

>>10264385
>MUH LIEBLICHER WEIN
fucking Piefkes

[Anonymous No.10264517]

What are some intermediate resources to learn about wines, grapes, growing conditions, and the general process of winemaking? Winefolly is a little too rudimentary for me but I’m not ready to tackle something like the wine bible. Thanks friends

[Anonymous No.10264529]

>>10264517
Go on a wine tour and stay at a B&B run by a sommelier

[Anonymous No.10264534]

>>10264387
t.underage who read about the judgment of paris on wikipedia

[Anonymous No.10264539]

>>10264517
the chemistry and biology of winemaking

[Anonymous No.10264561]

>>10264078
anyone who has tasted both cahors and argie bec would not mention those two countries in the same sentence

[Anonymous No.10265256]

>>10262703
you mad?

[Anonymous No.10265442]

>>10262640

Champagne is champagne exactly because it's produced in the Champagne region. Some sparkling wines may be better than some champagnes, but they can't be champagnes.

[Anonymous No.10265467]

Australia

[Anonymous No.10265622]

>>10265442
It’s champagne if I say so because muh fee fees
t.merishart

[Anonymous No.10265648]

>>10262637
Portugal.

[Anonymous No.10265888]

>>10265442
>he thinks there's a magic quality in the air that makes champagne from Champagne special--- and that any contending product, no matter how chemically identical it is, isn't the same thing
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.10265910]

>>10263723
Chianti is wine ya dingus

[Anonymous No.10265931]

>>10265888
It’s not so much the air as it is basic geography
It makes no more sense to call a random wine “champagne” because muh fee fees than to call yourself an attack helicopter

[Anonymous No.10266031]

>>10265931
You could use that same logic to say that pesto isnt actually Italian because basil is from the the indies. Youre just a pedantic fuck who thinks he's hot shit because he knows where something originated

[Anonymous No.10266130]

>>10265888
you just continue to reveal how ignorant you are. this isn't something specific only to champagne, there are many many specific wines that can only come from certain regions, because, technically, that is the only region that produces a specific grape with the qualities that make that wine that wine..

doesn't mean they're all good. hell, it doesn't mean all champagne is good. doesn't mean a california sparkling white can't be a fucking great tasting sparkling white and better than any 'champagne' you've ever tasted. just means it's not from a certain region. period.

champagne is from champagne, bourbon is from kentucky. go ahead and call me a eurocuck but i live in the midwest.

stop letting mainstream media dictate what words mean in your mind.

[Anonymous No.10266146]

>>10263882
love SA wines- i dont see alot in PA/nj best train station wine ive ever had in london cheap too

[Anonymous No.10266155]

>>10265888
>>he thinks there's a magic quality in the air

actually, with wine, it's the soil, altitude, temperature variation, type of grape, water availability... and actually, yea, air composition of certain regions can play a part.

you must think all plants can grow the same across the globe with the type of thinking you're displaying. who's really the retard here?...

[Anonymous No.10266161]

>>10266031
That's not how it works at all, actually.

[Anonymous No.10266497]

>>10265888
This is hilarious. What a fallacy.

Go grow a grape in California, France, Italy, Argentina & Spain and tell me you can make them all individually into a wine that tastes the same across the board. You are so stupid.

[Anonymous No.10266501]

>>10262637
A M E R I C A
M
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R
I
C
A

[Anonymous No.10267004]

>>10263740
>monopole burg
>bojo cru
>sauv blanc

Have some 'go 'za with it, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.10267420]

>>10266031
No. Who taught you language?

[Anonymous No.10267432]

>>10266130
Bourbon is not a good analogy because bourbon isn't called bourbon on account of being from the place called bourbon.

Since you live in the midwest, a better example would be if someone randomly decided to start claiming their cheese is "Wisconsin cheese" even when it's from Australia and then, when pressed, claiming "well, Wisconsin is just the model, I never technically claimed it's from the place called Wisconsin"

This probably wouldn't happen because Wisconsin cheese isn't very good, but that's the basic logic behind American wine makers being allowed to say whatever they want.

[87659933 No.10267997]

>>10262640
>america
hahahahahahahahahah
Bolivians make better wine than you, beetus

[Anonymous No.10268037]

Those kikes in Bordeaux make the best wine I ever tasted. Recommended it so many times. Apart from that the best countries for wine are south Africa and Australia

Worked as a sommelier in a fine dining restaurant for a while so I have at least some professional knowledge backing up my opinion.

[Anonymous No.10268055]

>>10263144
In Chile is literally cheaper.

[Anonymous No.10268159]

I really like Georgia's and Hungarian's wines

[Anonymous No.10268271]

New Zealand. Give me that Marlborough.

[Anonymous No.10268312]

>>10263415
>I honestly feel bad for Europeans, they basically exist as a poor copy of Americans.

[Anonymous No.10268494]

>>10268159
georgia yes
hungary lol no, please be joking

[Anonymous No.10268511]

>>10262637

argentina

[Anonymous No.10268514]

>>10263649

wrong

[Anonymous No.10268520]

Canada makes some pretty good wines.

[Anonymous No.10268900]

>>10268037
t. wine pourer at cheesecake factory

[Anonymous No.10268931]

>>10262637
Chile for Quality/Price

Italian for pure overall Quality. That said, there are some wines which are exceptional (usually also exceptionally expensive) in most regions.

[Anonymous No.10269656]

>bang for buck
Argentina, Chile, New Zealand
>Overall
France, USA, Italy

[Anonymous No.10269691]

I really like Spanish and Georgian wines.
They have something to it.

[Anonymous No.10269758]

>>10262637
Best sauvignon I ever had was French and about $200. I have an american Pinot for $50 that is very comparable. Dollar for dollar America all the way.

[Anonymous No.10270178]

Greece has many good wines and some types only exist here (Malagouzia, ancient type, almost exinct, revived by one winery the past 40 years, Gerovasiliou), but limited production due to land size, bad marketing, and many scammers, from old mainstream factories, to some old guy trying to sell his backyard vinegar as bio wine

[Anonymous No.10270187]

>>10269656
this

[Anonymous No.10270357]

who gives a FUCK about wine

[Anonymous No.10270751]

>>10262637
Georgia (the country not the state) has surprisingly good wine, extremely cheap as well.

[Anonymous No.10270806]

>>10262637
For me nothing can beat red wine from the la Rioja region in Spain, costs very little nothing but tastes amazing.

Spanish wine is very underrated in general because a lot of Spanish wines are sold under French and Italian brand names so they can be sold for more money to Americans and Northern-Europeans.

[Anonymous No.10271763]

>>10269758
>I had two totally unrelated varietals
>let me quote some prices I pulled out of my ass
>USA USA
cringe

[Anonymous No.10271784]

>>10262735
>>10262703
this is either the shittiest transplant from somewhere else or the best baiting i've ever seen. I'm thinking after
>You can try out many different boards, eventually you might even find one on a topic that you find interesting.
that its the latter

[Anonymous No.10271788]

>best
europe
>above average
rest of old world
>ok
south america
>shit/piss
everywhere else

[Anonymous No.10271795]

>>10262637
Australian Shiraz.

[Anonymous No.10271797]

>>10271788
>europe best
>rest of old world above average
so you're saying middle eastern/chinese/russian wines are better than south american wines?

[Anonymous No.10272252]

>>10262637
Alcohol is a meme!

[Anonymous No.10272289]

Australia doesn't make the best wine but it makes the cheapest, consistently good quality wine

[Anonymous No.10272946]

>>10265888
There is you retard, the soil in champagne is rich in chalk which has unique water retention properties.

[Anonymous No.10273431]

>>10272289
Australian wine is consistently garbage
>b-but it's not like that anymore! here in Australia there's this one obscure vineyard that makes 20 bottles a year and the wine isn't horrible and it only costs $200. it's current year!

[Anonymous No.10273523]

Portugal.

[Anonymous No.10273537]

>>10273431
Nah. I can't speak for the stuff that is exported, but still. Nah.

[Anonymous No.10273559]

>>10272289
>cheapest
If it weren't for the gayass taxes, maybe. Foreign niggers can fucking buy it cheaper than us.

[Anonymous No.10273570]

>>10273559
Wine gets tax breaks that other alcohol doesn't.

[Anonymous No.10273643]

I’m a fan of Rhones whines which have best value in terms of taste

As for white whines, Riessling grapes are great, particulary the Alsec ones

But I’m more of a beer person, so I could be wrong

[Anonymous No.10273656]

>>10273559
I support taxes actually

Poorfags shouldn’t afford wine

[Anonymous No.10273914]

>>10273570
What's the tax on isopropyl?

[Anonymous No.10273929]

>mfw i live in Champagne
>at least 3 bottles/week

Feels good man

[Anonymous No.10274128]

>>10270806
>For me nothing can beat red wine from the la Rioja region in Spain
Seconding this. A bar near my house serves bottles of la Rioja for 6 euros, I spend many summer evenings on their terrace with friends to get tipsy before going to botellones.

[Anonymous No.10274220]

>>10274128
>>10270806
Rioja does very well in one area, and that is integrating oak tannins at a reasonable price. Cheap rioja isn't really anything to get excited over (although it's rarely bad), but mid priced rioja (say $25-40) from the right producer (CVNE, Rioja Alta, LdH) is an unbelievable value.

But at the end of the day it's not the end all be all. You still need burgundy and mosel and xeres and the loire and the langhe to be happy.

I feel sorry for people who only like one style of wine.

[Anonymous No.10274293]

>>10274220
>the langhe
>never even heard of it..
>guess I'm a newb

Now that's an interesting post. Would you have any recommendations for the regions you mentioned up to your mid priced range?

[Anonymous No.10274338]

>>10274293
You've never heard of barolo? Barbaresco?

[Anonymous No.10275013]

>>10269656

Spot on.

[Anonymous No.10275635]

>>10263882
Once all the wh*Te farms are repossessed for government use, the SA wine industry will be toast.

[Anonymous No.10275642]

This is my favorite 6 euro supermarket wine.

[Anonymous No.10275827]

>>10273431
There is a lot of garbage for bums and alcoholics but there are many consistently nice wines that are just as/almost as cheap. That is my point, I do not deny that a lot of Australian wine is undrinkable trash, but there are so damn many wineries everywhere so you get that.

[Anonymous No.10276558]

>>10268520
Any recs?
>>10264539
ty anon, bookmarked for later

[Anonymous No.10276770]

>>10275635
>no more wine that tastes like burning tires
>white people being sent back to where they came from
I'm ok with this

[Anonymous No.10276784]

>>10262637
France, italy, spain, australia, and america, in that order.

[Anonymous No.10276806]

>>10262637
Australia

[Anonymous No.10277390]

>>10264338
Who is obsessed with whom again?
Lmao

[Anonymous No.10277418]

>>10276770
They're not being sent back, they're being genocided, you dumb monkey.

[Anonymous No.10277428]

I've never tried American wine, I've never even seen it for sale in Australia but given the fact that Americans buy billions of dollars worth of Yellowtail from us I wouldn't hold my hopes up very high for American wine.

[Anonymous No.10277702]

>>10262637
France, Italy, or Spain. Personally I like Chianti the most, so Italy for me.

[Anonymous No.10277817]

New Zealand

[Anonymous No.10277948]

>>10262640
O B E S E D

[Anonymous No.10278158]

>>10273929
It's a shit area though...

[Anonymous No.10278658]

>>10277418
A shame, but what goes around comes around

[Anonymous No.10278664]

>>10277428
It’s similar. Vulgar loud flavors that you can avoid by spending laughably high prices. Or by buying european wine which is what I end up doing

[Anonymous No.10278787]

>>10262640
Obsessed and obese

[Anonymous No.10278819]

>>10262719
>chilean meat
Jej

[Anonymous No.10279413]

>>10262637
Chile

[Anonymous No.10279482]

>>10262637
None, wine is icky.

[Anonymous No.10281729]

>

[Anonymous No.10281874]

>>10263480
Fun fact. Numerous English sparkling wines beat Champagne in blind taste tests and win lots of awards. Its only when marketing and labels are involved that Champagne starts to compete. This little fact never ceases to trigger the baguettenigs.

[Anonymous No.10282093]

>>10281874
>numerous
You can make all the different labels you want, but unless you can get them outside of some obscure store in south England, it doesn't exist.

Also let me guess they cost like $100 a bottle? Probably more if you have to import it especially from England? Yeah nah I'll just stick with my tattinger

[Anonymous No.10282429]

anywhere in southern europe

[Anonymous No.10283545]

>>10279482
absolute pleb taste

[Anonymous No.10283661]

Slovenia

[Anonymous No.10283715]

>>10262671
Europoors on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.10284034]

>>10282429
Burger king foot fungus.

[Anonymous No.10284101]

France USA Italy in that order.

[Anonymous No.10284119]

>>10263480
>champagne
>the best wine
Are you 45 and live in a KC suburb?

[Anonymous No.10284135]

>>10284119
>boomers are 45
>the people in that image are 45
Found the iToddler

[Anonymous No.10284180]

Honestly there is no objective answer, climates and methods from all over the world apply a particular timbre to the wine that appeals to different people

Different strokes for different folks.

[Anonymous No.10286029]

>>10284180
>he doesn't habitually consolidate a variety of distinct things on a completely arbitrary power level scale so as to create meaningless "best in the world" lists

[Anonymous No.10286178]

>>10262637
Honestly, I’m being completely serious here, Southern Illinois/Central Tennessee/Central Michigan. They’re three really dynamic regions with interesting micro climates and creative vintners.

I wish people got over the Sonoma meme and tried going out of their way to try smaller wineries

[Anonymous No.10286192]

Italy, Spain, France, Chile, rest of the world. Americans need not apply.

[Anonymous No.10287990]

>>10262640

truth

lmao butthurt non-country replies

[Anonymous No.10287999]

>>10262637
mediteranian countries

[Anonymous No.10288553]

rly been enjoying Greek wine recently

[Anonymous No.10288759]

>>10286178
I've had some midwestern wines and they have the same problems as every other "whoa, they make wine THERE??!" region. That is to say, the wines are obscenely expensive and highly mediocre. Like, they'll have their "entry level" wines which "only" cost $25 a bottle and they casually let slip that the grapes are trucked in 3,000 miles from Lodi or some shit. And then they have their "Estate Reserve" which is $70 and tastes a little bit worse than a $15 bottle of Trapiche or whatever.

There's plenty more to US wine than Sonoma (not sure why you didn't just say Napa), but the good wine comes from Oregon and New York, where you can get a good bottle where the grapes actually came from the same place, for $25 (maybe $30 in the case of Oregon)

[Anonymous No.10288879]

>>10270806
>not Ribera
>not Toro

Rioja is good too though

[Anonymous No.10288886]

New Zealand wine Is pretty good

[Anonymous No.10288896]

>>10267004
U mad?

[Anonymous No.10289700]

>>10262637
America.

[Anonymous No.10289723]

>>10262637
>wine
swarthy hairy brown people pretending that their rotten grape juice tastes ever-so-slightly better than the next

[Anonymous No.10289746]

France>Italy>Iberia>straya=SA=Chile=commiefornia>central Europe>>>>Greece and Israel

[Anonymous No.10291318]

>>10262637
Chile

[Anonymous No.10291788]

What are you winos drinking tonight?

I decided to break out of my Alice Feiring coastiecuck elitist reality distortion field and try a high-octane wine with a Robert Parker score (16.5% ABV lol)

It's honestly kinda good. Probably not something I'd want to drink all the time but I guess there's something to be said for sugary, boozy oak bombs

[Anonymous No.10293089]

>>10276770
Mcfucking kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10293511]

>>10262637
I don't drink. Just wanted to let you know.

[Anonymous No.10293535]

>>10262637
Realistically all wine producing countries make the "best wine", The general population can't tell the difference between the middling qualities of one country to another. Only experts could even notice or articulate the difference, which at that point is essentially horses for courses and personal preference.

[Anonymous No.10293538]

>>10293089
Don't be mad, we can't all have taste

Also South African "port" isn't too terrible, although if it disappeared forever I don't think anyone would really care desu

[Anonymous No.10293549]

>>10277418
>for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return
Are you calling God a liar?

[Anonymous No.10293940]

>best bank for buck: Moldova
>2nd best bank for buck: Romania
>3rd best bang for buck: Hungary/Georgia/Austria
>quality: France/Argentina/Chile/NZ
>hipster tier: USA
>not expensive, not fantastic: Italy, Spain, Poortugal

[Anonymous No.10294007]

>>10293940
>bank for buck

[Anonymous No.10294085]

>>10262640
This is true. We have less regulations which allow for more competition which always results in innovation and better products at lower prices.

[Anonymous No.10294148]

>>10268494
>>10268511
>>10268520
You all just bunch wine illiterate.
But you can't beat this 2 idiots
>>10263868
>>10263916

[Anonymous No.10294529]

>>10294085
>we have no rules so buyer beware
ftfy

[Anonymous No.10296313]

>>10294085
>I don't actually know anything about wine
The "regulations" you're describing are voluntary rules related to what words you can put on the bottle.

Look up "declassified wine", it is a thing, and some people like it.

Also European wine making is heavily subsidized, there is simply no way America can compete on price to quality ratio as much as this may pain you to hear

I'm American, before you start with that shit. Believe me I'd love it if American growers got the same subsidies so I could buy domestic, but as it is, American wine is a fucking ripoff

[Anonymous No.10296587]

>>10262637
Who cares? Make your own.

[Anonymous No.10296719]

>>10263480
I feel sorry for your parents

[Anonymous No.10296743]

>>10263349

Who is the target audience for this?

[Anonymous No.10296761]

>>10265888

>what is terroir?

[Anonymous No.10297307]

>>10262637
Portugal makes the best wines. Port for days!

[Anonymous No.10297350]

>>10296743
it's upstate ny, anon. these are the people that live there.

[Anonymous No.10297911]

Napa valley.
Here's a little history if you like European (mainly Italian and french) wines.
>Amerifags brings wine grapes from Europe
>Europe gets natural disaster that ruins their grapes
>Eurofags come to Napa valley to get some grapes to be able to make wine again
>all Napa valley wines are European
>most good European wines are from Napa valley

[Anonymous No.10298512]

>>10297911
Napa has its head stuck up its own ass

They figure out how to make a good bordeaux blend and suddenly they think they're the center of the universe

There are other grapes than just cabernet sauvignon and merlot

[Anonymous No.10298520]

>>10262640
>amerilard in charge of good food and beverages

your "culture" is laughable beetus boy