/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>9710632
18 days without spirits and on 4th day without beer. I keep thinking of that quote from Renton in Trainspotting once he's clean for a few weeks.

>It seems, however, I really am the luckiest guy in the world. Several years of addiction right in the middle of an epidemic, surrounded by the living dead. But not me. I'm negative. It's official. And once the pain goes away, that's when the real battle starts. Depression, boredom ...You feel so fucking low, you want to fucking top yourself.

>>9710645
When does the depression pass?

If I can willingly stop drinking for two weeks then go back to getting blackout drunk every single day the addiction can't be that bad, surely

>>9710690
This is the longest I've gone without spirits in like 4 years I think. Close to a bottle a day of Wild Turkey. I'm surprised I didn't get really get bad withdrawals aside from sweating, stomach pain and cravings. The beer kinda helped the craving. I'm trying to go sober from here on out, or at least occasional social beers. I don't want to go back to blackout drunk every night.

>>9710689
Wish I knew.

>>9710695
8 days in and no withdrawals

I'm struggling with the boredom

the only reprise is that if I can reach a certain time I can tell myself the alcohol doesn't have control over me

I still don't think it does, it's a willing choice to drink i dont feel it's a necessity

>>9710704
Yeah, I'm wondering how much control alcohol had over me. Right now I don't really feel like drinking for any reason other than making the boredom tolerable.
I probably drank because I was depressed and boring rather than any great overbearing compulsion.
I need a fucking hobby bad. I've got a shitload of books and movies I haven't read or watched but can't bring myself to start one.

Addiction and dependence are different, but neither are healthy. Your body may not be physically addicted to alcohol but if you feel like your life is less if you're sober that is still a serious emotional problem, for which you should seek help.

I used to drink 2l of vodka a night to fall asleep, black out at any social occasion, do shots before work, etc. I could go days without it and vehemently disagreed that I was an alcoholic because I felt I was still in control. I was, but it still fucked up two years of my life I'll never get back.

You may well be in control, but if your choice is to drink to excess on a regular basis just to get by them there is a serious underlying problem that needs to be addressed.

I stopped taking my meds and fucking magically stopped wanting to drink. Turns out I'm bipolar and what I was on made my hypomanic episodes damn near constant and I was drinking to try to level out.

I switched to opiates though, now that I can't afford medical care, so not a success story.

>>9710690
Two weeks isn't long enough to exit PAWS.
Also don't go cold turkey repeatedly, because of kindling.

>>9710704
Boredom is part of post acute withdrawals.
You may drink again by will, but is it your will or is it the booze talking?

>>9710704
I've been sober fifteen hours. I don't know how you guys manage to live in the Boredom.

>>9710819
we don't. I'll do anything to try to turn it off. Too much anything works.

>>9710819
i thought it was going well but i'm really struggling now

i just blocked my front door as a deterrent to leaving and buying alcohol

>tfw sobered up all week and went through hell with withdrawals to fly out and see my fiance today
>know I'm just going to fall back on the wagon once I come back

>>9711019
What's your fiancee's thoughts on your alcoholism?

>>9711019
You have no reason to be an al/ck/ie if you have a fiance

>>9711027
She hates it, but she's one of those people who are so loyal it's unreal. And she always tells me she's seen who I am without it and she'll stick by me.

Basically I constantly feel like a piece of shit. I'd probably never drink in my life again if we weren't LDR right now.

>>9711031
Long distance honestly sucks. But she moved back home for now to help take care of her mom who's going to chemo. I couldn't have asked for a better person and I don't deserve her.

>>9711019
>marriage
>long-distance relationship
>alcoholism
uhhhh

>>9711291
animeposters aren't known for their intellect.

I’ve been on the moderation train for a few weeks now.

I find that with red wine I can pace myself but I can’t with beer or liquor. I just get one or two bottles for the weekend now and sip slowly. Hope I can make it last like a proper normie.

Glassware matters as well I find, a fancy wine glass almost forces sips where a tumbler just makes you gulp.

>>9711019
does "she" know you're an anime fag?

>>9711019
>fiance
>thinks hes al/ck/

Lel.

>>9711291
>>9711328
>>9711343
why are y'all like this? the fellow clearly is transparent and communicating with his partner about their relationship. not saying it's a great place to be but c'mon guys.

>>9710632
4 day binge 2 day recovery repeat infinitely.

as soon as the sweating stops and have had about 12hrs sleep i make my bed, shower and get more booze.
broke my fucking leg last month just getting up to take a piss.
i live in a share house and interact with no one. i sleep at 6 or 7am and wake around 5pm, go shop or whatever till about 8 and wait till around 11pm to have 'lunch' then 'dinner' about 4am all the while begging god not to run into anyone lest i have to force a smile or a conversation.
incase they didn't think i was weird before i don't want to know what they think after them hearing me scream, gasp, sob and moan in the middle of the night after falling in my room.

>>9711035
You're depressed. Alcohol doesn't cure depression, it worsen it. Antidepressant and/or seeing a doc are a better solution (not long term, you use them to feel good enough to get yourself in a situation where you won't be depressed.)
PAWS are a bitch and possibly one of the causes of your depression. They take way longer than a week to go away, you're at the worse of them after a week sober.

>>9711386
They want it to be le secret incel drinking club

>>9710645
God that movie was so right about addiction.

>>9711425
you have top go back

>>9710819
The first 2 days were probably the worst for me. Just because you know how easy it is to go, ahhh I'll try just have one more bottle and start from there. Holding off on buying that bottle when walking home from work was the challenge.
So I just browsed /ck/, looked over the alck threads and saw people that were at 2 weeks, 30 days, 2 months etc abd thought fuck it, if they've done it so will I.
Since then to avoid the boredom I've been cooking healthy dishes that I know take a long time and tried to focus on improving cutting skills and knife handling.
Listened to podcasts, played alot more video games.
Started learning the guitar again.
17 days without a drink now and dont feel like I need it at all, lost a good bit of weight couple with eating healthy aswell.

Just as long as you get the initial "fuck this" mentality passed and nail down some form of hobby, it helps a tonne.

>>9711432
Really good book too, but he types out the Scottish dialect a lot of the time and that takes some getting used to.

I met a heroin addict described her addiction in food terms that I found helpful. Whether or not to get high is a "choice" in the same way that a starving person could eat a candy bar by choice. Sure, you don't have to eat it, nobody is forcing you, but it's much easier for someone who isn't hungry to not eat a candy bar. Addicts have fucked their dopamine and glutamate pathways to the extent that their brains think they are starving if they don't get their drug

Sober life blows but it's probably better than a dirt nap

>>9711425
i dont wana read the word "incel" one more GOD DAMN time

>>9711386
either they're drunk or it's gatekeeping, ignore it

>>9711487
normies need to be weeded out and forced back to lurking for a few years. white knights like you need to go back to r/incel

I started a new job and they didn't give me nearly enough training before throwing me out to the wolves, so every day is stress as I try to figure shit out on my own and not fuck up too much. The worst part, though, is that the job involves a stupid-early shift so I'm home by noon, stressed, and desperately trying not to just fucking dive into a bottle for lunch. I'm managing to hold out until dinner so far but it's getting harder.

>>9711461
>he types out the Scottish dialect a lot of the time and that takes some getting used to
that's alright I follow Limmy on twitter

>>9711508
r/incel got banned last i heard

>>9711508
This isn't /r9k/. /ck/ is a board for normies.
You know the way out, knight.

>>9711551
al/ck/ has always been /r9k/ tier you idiot. This is a place for the lowest of the low. You won't find positive/happy people here. You really need to go back seeing as you have no understanding of these threads

>>9711562
>i was here since 2012, I know /ck/ culture i'll tell you hwaht!

out the door newfag

>>9711461
I dont think I read Trainspotting, but I read a few other books of his. You are right about how he types, and I learned to appreciate it.

>>9711479
Being sober sucks for at least a month. I have gone weeks sober this year, multiple times, and feel completely flatlined. Theres no fucking reward for being sober.

>>9711573
These threads have nothing to do with everything else that is /ck/, newfag. The mods only allow it because just like what happens when you get rid of /pol/, the people in the containment threads/boards pollute all the other boards. If you have lurked these threads for even a week you would know that the vast majority of people here despise women. This isn't the place for talking about having a fiance/wife unless you want to be harassed by a bunch of bitter drunks

>>9711649
But that's wrong you piece of shit. Women post in this thread too, and any time they even hint toward their gender they are just treated like any of the other bitter drunks in this thread. If you have lurked these threads for even a month you would know that. The reason this thread exists here is because alcohol is food, and alcoholics fall under the category. You can't just remove the thread without solid proof that it is completely off topic, which it never is. The vast majority of people in this thread talk about alcohol, which is more than enough to qualify it.

>>9711661
Now you're just blatantly lying you retarded incel. Go in the archives and link one time a woman posted saying she was a woman in one of these threads and not being ignored or told to show their tits/pussy. I'll be waiting.

>>9711673
I am not him. I am a completely different person. >>9695130 had one, and several of the ones before had some.

You confuse whores with regular girls, and you jump on the bandwagon of women hating because you're too retarded to think for yourself.

>>9711680
>linking me a thread with 314 replies
It's on you to prove it. Link a post from that thread. And all women are whores. There is no difference. I say this having 2 ex wives. Part of the reason I'm an al/ck/ie

>>9711690
Anon, you have two ex wives because you are a lazy retard. I bet they were the ones who asked for the divorces.

>>9698480

>>9711584
Yeah, after a while you fall into the rhythm and it's fine, but I imagine a lot of people gave up on the book because of it and that really is a shame.

>>9711661
>>9711673
I think the "show your tits" retards are just a very few vocal idiots. Possibly just the trolls from /pol/ who have convinced themselves that shitting up the cooking board counts as political activism.

>>9698546
yet if someone took an MRI of your clitoris while showing you gay male porn you would still get turned on, just like every other "lesbian" on the planet. The vast, vast majority of women want to be dominated by a big strong man, regardless of what they say. Because they evolved for thousands of years to expect to be raped, pillaged and taken as war prizes
Just like I said you dumb roastie. Second post she wrote, this was the response. Women are hated here. Accept it, and then go back >>9711697

>>9711712
You know, I have a feeling you are that poster. A single bitter idiot. Glance at the replies to that post you just linked. No one defended him, and he was considered a retard.

Learn how to format your posts, by the way. This isn't Reddit. Quotes don't just magically appear.

>>9711697
First wife was my highschool sweetheart who cheated on me despite her working at Kohls for minimum wage while I was getting my welding certification to teach at the local tech school. For no other reason than "she wasn't thinking and it meant nothing!" Second serious woman in my life I met at age 29. Married her at 31. Despite me owning a fairly nice ranch house and 9 acres of land on top of bringing in almost a $90,000 salary and spoiling her, she cheated with an old ex. They literally cannot help themselves. They could be married to a billionaire celeb and they would still cheat. It's insane

>>9711717
By white knight redditors. hence the name of the thread, you fucking moron

>>9711729
>For no other reason than "she wasn't thinking and it meant nothing!"
That's the "reason" she told you, sure. But use your brain and find the real reason. Was she not getting enough attention from you (likely if you were both working AND taking your tech classes)? Were you not taking care of her sexual needs?

Ditto for your 2nd wife. What was it that she was getting from the man she cheated with that she wasn't getting from you?

>>They literally cannot help themselves
Keep telling yourself that.

>>9711729
They both sound like the exact same type of woman, which is probably why the exact same thing happened. Don't date airheads and obvious whores. Don't marry the girls you probably only got with for sex.

>>9711732
You're rather bad at this whole replying thing. You could have just quoted both posts.

>>9711742
I knew them both for years before I married them. They both changed literally within a month of me marrying them. I guess women just drop the respectable person act when they know they have you and revert back to whores.

>>9711756
If you actually knew them, it would have been obvious. All it really takes is a quick glance at how they behave in social situations, unless you're literally autistic. Actually, strike that. I am a diagnosed aspie and even I would be able to pick up on that shit. You're literally dumber than an aspie.

>>9711768
Easy to say that when you're probably a KHV. They were both reserved and didn't party. I'm not stupid. I know red flags. I would never date a woman with a large group of friends/goes to parties/smokes/dumb tattoos/sketchy family. You should know, even if you're a billionaire and the most famous person on earth, your wife will still cheat on you. It's just what women do.

>>9711782
>I'm not stupid.
Says the guy lumping all women into the "whores" category.

>>9711649
>I saw an incel once and robots twice, it means they have taken over
No.

>>9711690
>I'm a failure at life, but it's because all the women are whores
Tell that to your mommy.

>>9711729
>Women aren't prostitutes because you can't buy fidelity, it means they're whores.
Are you legit retarded?

>>9711732
>If you discard people who don't agree with me on the base that they don't agree with me, everybody (the aforementioned incel and 2 robots) agree with me
Technically, you're right. Congratulation, you're winner !
Now take your price and fuck off.

>>9711782
Take a good look around you, retard. There are plenty of people with happy marriages and relationships. If something is wrong in the relationships you have been in, then the problem is either you or the other person.

To generalize all women is the same as generalizing all men. Are robots the same as Chad? Is a Christian the same as a Muslim? You could draw comparisons until your fingers bled, but in the end there are distinct differences and areas where things branch off too much for them all to be the same.

Try your hand at dating different types of women, and maybe changing yourself if all else fails.

>>9711800
Cool, you're an actual retard. Good to know.
>I'm a failure at life, but it's because all the women are whores
I'm an alcoholic with 2 ex wives, but I'm not a failure. My earnings put me in the 1%. I've learned by trial and error that all women are whores, so I won't be wasting any more time and energy on them. I'm focused on improving myself. I'm set to retire by age 43. Life is good. I just need to cut down on my drinking now

>>9711486
it's not a word, it's made up baby talk

>>9711806
Almost a 70% divorce rate in America. Yeah that's totally healthy and normal and a great basis for your argument.

>>9711821
>I've learned by trial and error that all women are whores
No, you've learned that two of them were. You sure as fuck haven't learned statistics.

>> I'm focused on improving myself.
I find that difficult to reconcile with your constant willful ignorance on the subject of "all women are whores".

>>9711836
I've married 2, but I have plenty of people I know who have gone through the same. I'm the son of a whore. Mom had me at 15. My grandma constantly talked shit about my vietnam vet grandpa who took care of her, so she was probably a cheating whore. Aunt cheated on my uncle multiple times. First wife's mom had 3 husbands and was a massive golddigger. Only found out about that when we were getting our divorce. Pretty much everyone I work with has been cheated on or know a life ruined by a women who couldn't keep their legs shut. I would say that my basis for my statements are founded.

>>9711833
40 to 50 percent, actually. Try actually fact checking, you fucking retard. There are multiple reasons for a divorce, too. Not just "oh, the woman probably cheated". Men cheat, women cheat, people fall out of love, and there are even situations where marriage isn't a good idea and people regret it.

>The National Health and Social Life Survey found that 4% of married men, 16% of cohabiting men, and 37% of dating men engaged in acts of sexual infidelity compared to 1% of married women, 8% of cohabiting women, and 17% of women in dating relationships.

There's a relevant statistic for you.

>>9711846
Your social circle really suck dude. I'm sorry you don't know any decent human.

>>9711856
The average rate for a divorce is over 50%. For subsequent marriages it jumps up to around 70%. And believe it or not, the fact is that the majority of marriages end because of a woman cheating.

>>9711874
I'm not friends with non-decent people. They are all hard working and respectable. Sadly these are who women treat the worst. At least until they hit 40 and the makeup can't hide the wrinkles anymore and they have gone nowhere in life and desperately try to find one of these hard working men to take care of them.

>>9711877
http://www.apa.org/topics/divorce/
http://divorce.com/worldwide-divorce-statistics/
http://www.divorcestatistics.info/latest-infidelity-statistics-of-usa.html

You're a fucking idiot. The divorce rate in America is 53%, as the highest out of all the sources I have checked. Men cheat more than women, infidelity is the number 1 cause for divorce but definitely not the only cause, and your perceived reality is not the objective reality.

You are statistically incorrect, and any argument to the contrary just goes to show how much of a dipshit you are.

>>9711933
Blacks commit 91% of all violent crime in America. 1/9 will end up in prison for a violent crime. Usually domestic. I bet you would defend niggers just like how you defend whores. I bet you also want open borders and that you voted for Hillary. Am I correct?

>>9711963
You are incorrect, because the two issues are separate. Let me guess, you oppose everything the alt right opposes and agree with everything the alt right agrees with regardless of your true beliefs. Correct?

>>9711979
Nope, I'm not anything. I want nothing to do with politics and have never voted. I do know that the west is becoming a degenerate shithole and that a lot of big changes need to happen. My views are fairly libertarian (not to be confused with being a liberal or on the left.) There has never been a presidential runner fit for my vote yet.

>>9711486

I can understand your frustrations
No one likes to see something they hate
Could it be it's you with the problem tho?
Every thread will you hide posts with incel in?
Learn to deal with it mate

>>9711995
There are never any good answers during the presidential elections. A country is only as bad as those who lead it.

>>9711995
> My views are fairly libertarian (not to be confused with being a liberal or on the left.)
Holy shit get a load of the 12 year old

So wI'm in a new country and I drank moderation for 8 weeks. Now I'm fucked and I wanna go ato a bar to buy som,e cigs and socialize, but I'm amfraid people hree are judgmental cunts, because this is the rochest country in the world/

Anybofy wanna chat?

>>9711995
>I do know that the west is becoming a degenerate shithole and that a lot of big changes need to happen.
I found the solution for you : convert to Islam and buy a wife in some Arabic country.
You can beat her into faithfulness, it's more effective than buying her gifts.
And don't forget : if you join Isis, you can be part of the big change! And have a free wife!

>>9712009
Where's that from again? I'm curious about where last French presidential candidates are.

>>9711407
Treat yourself a bit better.

>>9711446
Congrats on your efforts.

>>9712034
You're afraid they'll be judgmental because you aren't rich, and they are? Honestly, if you're that self-conscious, going to a bar by yourself probably won't be fun.

Going to a bar alone isn't fun unless you're confident/don't give a fuck about what others think. Actually, not that fun with friends if you're not confident/etc.

>>9712086
It's not just about the money, I just feel like a stupid autistic drunk alcoholic. Funny thing is I can usually pretend my way into a normal human usually. People even seem to like me, guess because I know so many random trivia. Like talking about Black Metal with Norwegians and shit like that.

Anyways, I guess, I'm just gonna go there for a cig, I watched a half episode of Sopranos and I;, felling prettyy good

>>9712034
>this is the rochest country in the world
Rich people aren't necessarily judgemental arseholes. Some are though.

It's amazing how alcoholism can turn you into such an amazing liar. I was always a terrible liar and it was really obvious when I was lying. Now, my friends and family all believe I'm one year sober when really I lasted 4.5 months and went back to drinking, just hid it way better. Feels shitty when they're all so happy for me, and I lie and say I'm doing amazing

I don't see colors anymore. Everything is gray

Every time i get drunk and run out of booze I end up texting people to come over and bring alcohol . I put an app on my phone that is supposed to lock you out for x amount of minutes or hours but found a way to easily bypass it by resetting the fucking phone.

It's getting to the point where I don't know if there's any turning back, if I should even bother quitting, risking death, or keep going harder than ever hoping one day u just don't wake up.

I have literally no reason to live. Maybe the dog.

I'm lost, don't know what I'm doing anymore. How the fuck am I 30? Where'd the fucking time go?

>>9712108
>watched The Sopranos
nice, you can't be too much of a retard if you're enjoying some Sopranos.

I just bought a Fosters oil can of Ale. What should I expect?

>>9712289
>Where'd the fucking time go?
Black out time.

Working 70+ hrs is the only way I can stay sober. One job was never enough too much idle time, boredom which lead me to drink. I’m saving so much fucking money feels good.

>>9712617
whatever floats your boat, nugguh.

>>9712073
you're a woman,are you?

>>9712655
>2017
>not being female
I shiggy diggy don't.

>>9712658
oh god. how feminine is your penile apparatus?

Woo. It's my 1 month sober day. Over 10 years of constant drinking finally ended. It was way easier than I thought.* Only thing is I'm still getting moderate withdrawal type headaches. I thought they would go away by now but no...

* I'm cheating though. I told my parents and moved back home for awile. Super easy to stay sober for now. I'll probably relapse as soon as I move back out and am sitting alone and bored in my own place...

>>9711680
>animeposters

>>9712027
You do realize that libertarian is what the founding fathers were, right? Not this modern age radical left calling themselves libertarian. Libertarian is all about freedom. It's the most American thing you can be

>>9712718
>reddit transplant

>>9712752
I prefer Marquis de Sade's libertinism anyway.
All about freedom too.

>>9710689
there's no real exact timeline for that. it depends on your lifestyle changes that occur during sobriety. the more extreme that the changes are, the sooner you can become 'normal' (sort of anyway, depends on how long you've been an addict and a lot of other factors). it also depends on if you've been normally depressed in the first place. did you already have chronic depression before your drinking began?

Haven't had a drink in 2 weeks (not because I have a problem, but my mom does and I'm visiting her so don't want to trigger her / give her an excuse).

Don't feel any different EXCEPT I'm having dreams every night, something I thought I just grew out of years ago. Weird. Not sure I like it.

>>9712250
Its amazing but so shameful

>>9712323
Nasty malt flavor, sick aftertaste

>>9712709
very similar situation except i'm on day 17. i'm concerned my sobriety is entirely manufactured and i'll be back on the wagon as soon as i'm left to my own devices.

on the upside, i'm finally beginning to pay off debts, and it's not like this sobriety is hurting me, even if it is temporary.

>>9712840
Ugh, keep forgetting the nightmares. At about day 6 or so I begin having horrific nightmares. It once took me like 20 mins after waking to realise it wasn’t real

>>9712655
Nope. Just reminding people they neednt go all out in their descent, at least not right away

>>9712752
Ironically being free to be a retard is what's killing your country.

Turns out countries where you are only free to be a good citizens are more competitive than countries where you are also free to be a bad citizen.

>>9712862
competitive in what sense

>>9710778
Kindling?

>>9712840
>The vivid dreams of early sobriety
The worst part about them is that they were as vivid as the terrible withdrawal's nightmares I had just experienced. And I hadn't dreamed in years, I wasn't used to.
It calms down after a while, brain chemistry takes months to get back to some kind of normality.

>>9712948
I'm 5 days sober and I like the dreams. Mine aren't nightmares, but I feel like I'm communing with the old gods.

I have also started to perk up. After the initial anxiety passed, I felt very tired (sleeping 10+ hours a night) and unmotivated at first, and I had some mild hallucinations. I was never a daily drinker, ~10 units every other night or so. I am finding it helpful to read boards like this to remind myself of the progressive nature of alcoholism. My drinking steadily increased from a few times a year to 4 nights a week and was only getting worse.

>>9712943
Economically, militarily, culturally. Power in general, hard and soft.

If you allow your nation to become as divided and degenerate as the US it will start to hurt the nation as a whole in all kinds of ways after a while.

>>9712947
Withdrawals worsening each time you withdraw.
Some people go on blenders and stop cold turkey many times, after a few months/years they get full DT from a drink or two.

what does it mean when you're pretty sure you're basically happy, and enjoy life, and happy with what you have, but you drink too much multiple times a week? Just kinda low self-discipline, or genetic weakness for alc? maybe both

My dad (not until his 60s) and his dad were both alcs, but also both happy and successful. I guess there's the answer.

>>9712862
Yup. The US, and the West, facilitate idiocy. It's sad, given their other virtues.

But how to promote intelligence and constructive behavior without eugenics/"""""morally questionable"""""" means is complicated.

>>9713153
>pretty sure you're basically happy
this is the only important thing you said in that whole post

i cant answer it for you

It's scary that I'm not passed out drunk from 750ml.

I used to get hammered when i was younger from half a fifth, Now I'm nit even drunk enough to sleep.

>>9713414
when i stopped drinking 750ml a night i had a seizure. guess what. it was jim beam and diet coke too.

Ginfriend here.
Making an easy shrimp alfredo tonight. Any tips?

>>9713414
also try sprite instead of gatorade for hangovers. i found it works way better. that or pedialyte.

>>9713153
Maybe there's some underlying stuff that makes you secretly sad. Maybe you just like getting drunk. I know for a fact that watching my parents drink everyday and still function encourages me to drink.

>>9713425
I better not stop then

>>9713430
Really? I've been using gatorade for years.

I figured sprite has more sugar in it and no electrolytes

>>9713429
kys

>>9713459
Let some one know if you need help getting the stick out of your ass.

>>9713465
Let me know if you want me to put one in yours

>visiting family
>little sister is drinking eggnog
>get a whiff of the artificial rum flavor

Nothing nicer than waking at 2.35am for no apparent reason. I’m going to feel so refreshed tomorrow,
>throws up another 25 times

>>9710632

I think the walls are closing in boys. Pretty sure management is going around asking my coworkers about me. Trying to dodge these accusations like they're the bull.

>>9713414

I don't know how you boys do it. I can do a pint of the hard stuff a day but 3/4ths of the way there it stops doing anything and I'm just wasting alcohol.

>>9713189
>But how to promote intelligence and constructive behavior without eugenics/"""""morally questionable"""""" means is complicated.
The question is not merely how to promote intelligence and constructive behavior without eugenics/morally questionable means, the question is how to promote intelligence and constructive behavior without eugenics/morally questionable means faster than people who do use eugenics and morally questionable means, otherwise you lose the intelligence arms race.

I don't think this is possible and that the result will be a winner takes all scenario where the ones who don't let ethics get in the way will win.

>>9713709
Perfect example of the typical left leaning internet intellectual

>>9713721
What about my post do you consider left wing?

>>9713709
The dumbest thing about this post is that you clearly thought you sounded intelligent writing it.

>>9713833
Don't feel threatened, sweatie.

>>9713833
this exactly

i just stopped reading it

>>9713436
>(...)watching my parents drink everyday and still function

Fuck if this isn't me. As soon as I started working a 40hr gig cooking it was pretty much lights out for me. You're encouraged to drink and work as long as you can finish out your shift. It's effectively like staying a 19-20 year-old forever.

I haven't drank in over 4 months and my court case is behind me. I'll be done with the stuff they sentenced me to before new year's. Boredom has kicked in a little bit, but anticipating a couple of the things I have to do before i'm fully in the clear keeps me sober. It's after that stuff is done that worries me. There are bars on literally every city block here and that used to be my boredom killer during these slower months at work.

I go to a couple of AA meetings a week. Those are great, but there's a lot of rotating people in my age range, <30, and a pretty consistent old timer base. Hearing stories of relapse kind of make me feel like i'm my own relapse timebomb. Like as soon as I'm in the clear from the courts' perspective, I'll go right back to self-destructing.

>>9712996
Kindling is a bitch. After quite a few years of solid alcoholism, I got my shit together and was able to just drink socially a couple times a week. But now even 2 or 3 beers leaves me shaking like I'm going through withdrawals for 2 days afterward.

I told myself that this semester Would Be Different. But every week, work piling up, missed due dates, drinking more than ever. Said it's okay ill get it together next week. Final exams came and went, still drinking, probably failed a course. Maybe next year.

Who am i kidding, though. I never enjoyed sober life. I don't enjoy being like this, either. It's life that's the problem, not my state of inebriation.The point is not happiness. The acute pain of addiction and failure is slightly more endurable than the dull ache of sobriety. It's actually kind of comfy down here, at least until It's Too Late.

>>9713959
are you serious? thats insane man. ive hard some decent withdrawals but I can do a night or two of serious drinking without wd's. you must have had a lot of wd episodes?

>>9713920
It was a cooking job that really got me drinking. I became a kitchen manager at a local restaurant at 18 bc they thought I was a "prodigy" even though I was just abusing adderall lol.
I would go home every night and get wasted to 1. relax the stimulants
but
2. it was fucking hard work.
Now I work at a record store and it's the easiest thing in the world and I still drink hard every night. Funny how habits form.

>>9714017
Thats a fucked up place to be -- miserable sober and miserable drinking.

>>9714023
Ya, I drank really heavily for about 5 or 6 years, but it was never continuous. It would be 3 or 4 day benders, maybe a week at most, then a week of detoxing trying to get my shit together, rinse and repeat. I went through so many withdrawal episodes, I think it just really fucked with my nerves. I've always had underlying anxiety issues, so now any drinking at all leaves me a shaking anxious mess for the next couple days. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise, because knowing that deters me a lot of times from drinking

>>9713709
Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that?

Is there anything more comfy then drinking a near freezing beer at night while it rains and watching ID channel?

>>9714057
Getting all curled up and drunk on gin watching dumb bbc travel shit.

What’re you niggers watching?

If I can't drink what's the point? This industry is fucking toxic and I want to eat a TV dinner out of spite. Fuck food and fuck being a chef.

I'm so fucking lonely, I hate everyone in my kitchen even though I'm civil, because can't get it done alone. I don't want to be around anymore, I'm so sick of living. You hear those stories "oh, cooking helped me find a way to make it through the day, to be happy!" well fuck that. As if coming home to an empty home every night and drinking myself to oblivion, then shots throughout the day to manage, wasn't enough. Fuck that shit.

I thought food would give me an outlet or some way to make it all better, nothing will and I really wanna fucking die.

>>9714092
bbc is pretty comfy too, I miss early 2000's TV. Especially the history channel. Not all it is is fucking ice road truckers and pawn stars, No history.

>>9714038
i have the same drinking pattern as you. interesting. just havent drank as much.

Used to drink 2 750 ml of gin a day, followed by mouthwash if O couldnt get to the store. Hospitalized for pancreatitis..... 8 days sober lads. Been using kratom to help get sober. I even went to an outing where there was a lot of drinking. I think I made it this time.

>>9714216
I dunno faggot, maybe you could cry harder or something

For those of you who binge drink and go overboard every few days, how do you lessen the shitty hangover feeling? All I want to do is take some Advil and sleep all day after

>>9714446
lots of water, sleep and waiting for it to pass

that's all i've found i can do when i have REALLY bad hangovers

also forcing yourself to eat as soon as you're well enough to stand up

even if you throw up the food it's better to eat

Why aren't all alcoholics obese? At 7 calories a gram, you're pretty much drinking straight olive oil. Multiple times a day, each day of the week. Add then you add the alcohol munchies. Why aren't they all fat as fuck? Some of them are even underweight. I’m not underweight. I weigh 192 lbs and am 6’1”. I should lose some pounds but I’m still not obese yet...

>go to bar tonight
>gay bartender and I start chatting
>kinda lead him on
>leave

I’m not gay but I get so little female companionship that I like getting hit on by gay guys. Is there something wrong with me?

>>9714481
yes, see a doctor immediately

>>9714470

Alcoholics don't tend to eat much. 'alcohol munchies' typically disappear once you start drinking heavily enough. Instead of food you just crave more alcohol.

>>9714481
You're just looking for attention. Don't feel bad he's probably fucking some dudes ass as I type. Gay dudes have it really easy getting laid.

when I was an alcoholic I pissed my bed at least once a week. fuck what a waste of time lads

>>9714446

Best way is to just prevent the hangover. Taking NAC (its pretty cheap and widely available) before drinking significantly increases your livers ability to get rid of acetaldehyde (alcohols most toxic metabolite). Then matching every 2 drinks with a glass of water + drinking a bunch of water before bed is usually enough to stop the dehydration.

Any alcoholics who are worried about their liver should be taking NAC regardless. In alot of studies it completely prevents almost all liver damage incurred from alcohol. Just make sure to take it before drinking, and not during or shortly after, as then it has the opposite effect.

>>9714481
>chatting up a gay man

Yep, you're a fag

>>9714481
You posted this shit on pol too you fucking queer. Go back and suck that faggots dick, Faggot.

>>9714573
I would look forward to the food. I would drink a bottle of bourbon throughout the day eating nothing but toast for breakfast and would then eat like 4 burritos a pizza or something massively unhealthy and then pass out on the couch.

>>9714665
Lol. You browse /pol/?

What a racist inbred

>managed to take some vitamin b and a multivitamin
gums are bleeding quite bad though

why are your gums bleeding

>>9714671
what are your eating habits like when not drinking or before you drank

are you overweight?

boredom and those cravings starting back

get excited just thinking about drinking

>Legs started shaking like crazy when carrying a heater downstairs.
>Had to do the one step at a time walk like stairs are a spooky new thing my body doesn't understand.
Fuck me, do I have a fucking complex now because I ate shit down a flight of stairs after a seizure and woke up in an ICU?

I can say I'm officialy an alcoholic because I am having trouble not drinking for an antibiotic treatment.

>>9714311
Congrats.

>>9714702
>>9714757
Gingivitis, I'd guess.

whats that go to do with taking vitamins

>>9714812
it's so hard to not just fall into that comfortable hole of self destruction again

>>9714311
isn't kratom schedule II in USA?

I would kill for an ibuprofen right now.
But my doctor would probably materialize behind me and pimp slap me for it.

>>9714954
It's basically a less controlled marijuana as far as legality goes. Due to it being fairly unknown to some people, only a few states have actually started to control and ban it. The rest have little to no policy.

>used to be able to go on week long benders
>go out with lads yesterday and get fucked up
>wake up today feeling like death
>cant even look at vodka without feeling like im about to throw up
is this what growing old is like? im only 27...

2 weeks sober

walking down the street

all of a sudden uncontrollable crying for absolutely no reason, nothing set me off

im not usually a crying man and absolutely not in public either

I guess this is the post sober depression kicking in

>>9713640
just stop right now and you're good
if you're sober you can just say "well if there was a concern about me, i should have been confronted at that time"
t. got fired from a lot of good jobs
just don't go drunk or even hung over ever again
treasure being employed, buddy

>>9713747
not that guy but damn were there a lot of words in it

>>9715022
being employed isnt so amazing

>>9715025
But having money kinda doesn't suck.

>>9714470
i get tubby as shit when i'm not drinking and i don't even give a fuck
it's because i'm eating food
instead of drinking 1500 calories of bourbon per day and eating a tube of ritz spread out over a week to mitigate a bleeding stomach

>>9714651
but you'd be sleeping anyway, you're just saving time by not bothering to travel to the toilet
i don't think you know what waste of time means

>>9714837
alcohol is literally an antibiotic, don't worry about it

>>9714954
it's not regulated, there was a push to make it schedule I but i think it got abandoned

>>9714481
Clear cut case of toxic faggot disorder. You have caught gay. Call an exorcist. I’m am truley sorry for you’re lots.

Wat do guys

i want the pain to stop, these withdrawals are still terrible

>>9715170
drink the bleach

>>9715170
Mix it, it says it has lemon flavour

>>9715194
That's what my wife just suggested.
brb

>>9715170
Drinking bleach isn't a hobby

>>9715207
attention seeking is though

>>9714762
>what are your eating habits like when not drinking or before you drank.
I fast because I prefer big meals but eat very well when not drinking.
>are you overweight?
Yup. I've been essentially eating twice or more my daily calories intake with a bottle of Turkey and the junk food.
It'll fall off me now that I'm sober. I'll bet I'll be back to a good weight in a month or two.

>massive hangover from mixed up alcohols last night for the umpteenth time
>morning comes, feels bad, liver screams at me to quit this bullshit
>12 o'clock, I want to drink again
>try to cope with the craving and take my responsibilities (work! work! work!)
>get a bit hungry, I could go to the nearest fast food
>gets out, gets food, then on the way back...
>FUCK IT ANON ITS SATURDAY YOU HAVE NO ONE IN YOUR LIFE NO ONE KNOWS WHY NOT BUYING WHISKEY AND DRINKING IN YOUR PATHETIC SOLITARY CONFINEMENT
>o-ok
>drink the first glass
>feels good man
>the meal is already cold
>I don't even want to eat
>i'm back in the daily loop

>replaced water with beer
>still no hangovers
It's bittersweet because I want to experience it for empathy reasons.

>>9715207
Who suggested it was? There's half a bottle of vodka next to it.

>>9715233
Are you suggesting I'm seeking attention?

>>9715302
>Are you suggesting I'm seeking attention? Me? The person eagerly awaiting (You)'s for my brilliant vodka and bleach strategy? The person who is currently responding with all my heart trying to get MORE (You)'s? Never!

>>9715307
>responding to your own post

>when you realise that other boards have spilled into and ruined al/ck/, so next time you’re feeling the anxiety of withdrawal, you won’t even have this place to turn to
State of these threads recently

>>9711446
it's that "fuck it" mentality that always gets me into trouble.

"fuck it" has led me into some shitty times

congrats bro, I'm going to try to go sober after this weekend, if not sooner. I did four weeks earlier this year and it felt great. Can't wait to get back there.

>>9715298
Want to experience hangover? Drink a bottle of the cheapest boxed wine.

>>9714470
I don't understand how I'm not overweight. I'm 5'11" and have constantly been within a few lbs of 150. I mainly drink beer and cider and binge on junk food. It probably helps that I don't eat much during the day, walk everywhere I go and have a somewhat physical job but still. I definitely dropped a bit of body fat when I took a break from drinking but I guess my metabolism is still pretty solid.

been waiting for my boss to show up for an hour and a half. can i just go drink now?

>>9715447
Yes

>>9715009
I’m 29 and pretty much retiring from drinking. It’s not worth the suffering anymore.

>give up drinking for a week
>lose 10 lbs
>working out hard
>cunt of a mum shows up
>back on the bottle

Bottle of stoli

So far it's been a week since I decided to cut back heavily on alcohol and calories. Had my first drink again yesterday, just shy of six beers. Tonight I am going on a date and will have a few more.

Now as for food I have cut back by just skipping all food until after 12pm. Is that healthy long term?

Is there a point of no return for a liver? how does it work?

>>9715694
I eat one meal a day. It works well. Not eating will give your body time to devote energy to healing other shit

>>9715365
What's wrong with them?

>>9715365
What do you mean anon?

>>9713855
>sweatie

This shit gets me every time, kek.

Al/ck bros, what are some of the worst thing you have done drunk? I'll start

>finger passed out cousin after a big drunk sess together
>tell sister she is hot and i wanna fuk her after drinking a bottle of vodka. Get kicked out of home the next day
>T1000 chase and grab onto a moving car and lose my grip rolling onto the road and fracturing my wrist

>>9714470
when I drink I don't eat. 6'1 and 126lbs

>>9714651
More stories / greentexts about alchies pissing / shitting themselves please. Always cracks me up.

>>9715873

>>9715859
Honestly can’t talk about them, the cringe is too real. Legit just glad I never made the papers.

>>9715909
Hearing others war stories makes me feel like slightly less of a shit cunt.

>>9715859
Blackout in a bar and get sucker punched to the ground. Its effective. Hour or so later am semi recovered and punch a dude who in my addled state i thought was involved. Turns out he wasn't.. triggered a blood feud of sorts

>mfw all the black friday deals on amazon for alcohol

im sorry. bank account

>>9715859
>going through dts or some shit
>go to hospital because my nut is swelling up and i can hardly walk
>begin to believe they are mind controlling me and i have to escape
>attempt to brain dude with fire extinguisher on the way out
>he takes me down
>vague memories of what happens next
>i piss myself in my sleep at some point

>>9715859
>get fucking blackout smashed at dad's retirement at the local ANAF
>get agitated and throw beer bottle outside and hit a shed, right in front of bartender
>she kicks me out / away
>wander off and cry
>dad is passed out behind a bush
>anyway ma drives me home
>get home and sit at computer chair, decide to piss and shit under my desk
>pass out hunched over in chair for four hours, wake up just as mom is coming back to check up on me
>quickly clean up the shit with some toilet paper and dry the piss best I can

Other than that I have been kicked out of bars for various fuckery.

>>9715971
>go check camelcamelcamel
>discover all deals are a LIE
they are still discounted but man, it makes me rage

>>9715981
Wew lad

Share some stories lads. It humanizes what we are going through.. also interested in health scares or legitomate problems.. i have bad random pains in my abdomen for months

>>9715695
Yes, but liver damage isn't even the worst you have to fear.
Pancreas, brain , nerves, eyes, etc can and often will fail first.

>tfw 2 drinks in at 5pm after enduring feeling like shit and weak and shaky all day

feelsgoodman. I want pizza now though

>>9715977
Thats rough bro. No assault charge?

>>9715859
>in someones house, just a few of us there drinking
>guy has two dogs, i love dogs
>when im really drunk i decide ill take the dogs for a walk
>open the door and call them out, they just bolt off into the distance
>realise i may have made a mistake
>luckily nobody saw me
>go back inside and close the door, pretend nothing happened
>guy eventually wonders where his dogs are
>everyone else has no idea, pretend i dont either
>guy starts losing his mind, getting really angry because someone must have let them out
>fights starting up as people are accusing each other
>everyone leaves
>find out later the guy only ever found one of his dogs

>when you throw up 30 minutes after waking but you tricked your body because the only thing you've had is a couple quarts of water
NOT THIS TIME

>>9716052
Fucking dumbass coward

Can't fix up my sleeping habits. I've done two 38 hour marathons to try and go to sleep and wake up at a decent time. Both times I planned to get up at 7am but slept right through the alarm and until 12 and 1pm. Now I'm giving it one last shot. If it doesn't work I've got to try something different. Anyone got any tips for successfully re-engineering their sleeping habits?

>>9715999
I'm still not sure how I managed to shit under my desk.

>>9716107
amphetamines, zopiclone and benzos.

speed to get you up... benzos to bring you down and zop to knock you out. level everything out with beer

>>9716044
no i dont know how
guess he took pity on me, also i didnt make contact he just leg swept me

I guess im going through PAWS or some shit because i've been so depressed and cant/dont want to do anything. After i went thru withdrawals i was in pretty high spirits, feeling like shit, but feeling hope and seeing the world in a new light. I got a decent job and all seemed to go well for 3 months. Then it hits me, the debilitating anxiety. EVERY time i show up to work it feels like im going to have a heart attack or pass out. I tough it out for a week, everyday i experience this shit. After the week i said fuck this and went to the ER. They didnt find anything wrong with me physically and said it was just anxiety. Everything went downhill from there, i quit my job and i've kinda relapsed. Usually when i am over at my friends house and i get offered a beer. The next day after drinking i feel horrible/guilty and think i'll go through withdrawals again. Its been about a month and i feel depressed/tired all the time. My sleeping is fucked and i randomly get panic attacks. I try not to drink and the times i have its just been once a week. Last time i got drunk was on Tuesday but i am trying to stay sober since every damn time i drink i feel off the next day. My birthday is tomorrow and i just remembered. Its going to be the 1st birthday in 10 years that i will be sober from any substance. Sorry for the blog post i just want to get this shit off my chest. If i had a gun i'd just cap myself, i get no pleasure from anything and i just want to feel normal

>>9716013
it's not me. friend has really high liver numbers and I don't really get what's gonna happen if they keep climbing. will he just straight up die or will he be stuck to a machine for life? or what?

>>9716139
I'm hoping to find a way to do it that doesn't require drugs.

>>9715981
Bars are a joke. Everyone there is depressed and lonely. The bartenders are either old whores or loser guys. Drinks are a ripoff. You cant have any fun or they kick you out for being drunk.

>>9716107
Don't try to invent new magic marathon methods to find sleep.
Follow old boring advices. No sport before bedtime, no caffeine, avoid screens and/or install flux, take melatonin or whatever herbs is supposed to work.
It takes a few days of going to bed on time and waking up on time too to get a sleep pattern back on tracks. There's no magic way to do it in one day.

>>9716282
lad where do you live that the bars are so shitty
although yeah drinks are a ripoff everywhere desu

>>9716232
Might be worth seeing a dr and getting something prescribed to take the edge off mate? I experience similar to you but on a lesser scale. Self medicating does 't help in the long run

>>9716457
i'm getting treatment at a psychiatric/substance abuse center . They gave me trazadone and hydroxyzine. I dont take the trazadone and the hydroxyzine kinda helps. When i went to the ER they gave me 50 mg hydroxzyine . At the substance abuse place i got 10 mg ones which i ran out of already. I feel like 50mg is too much and i feel like it messes with my chest and thus gives me more anxiety so i aint took them in about a month or so

>>9716466
So the hardest part is sorted (engaging help of docs). I'd take what they prescribe, eat right and have a multi vitamin each day. I have a silly booze habit, going on 10 years but know for sure i am less anxious without the shit. It offers some minor quick relief but i pay for it the days after. Good luck bro

>>9716359
Rawlings, Wyoming

>>9716490
thanks i really appreciate it. What gets me was that i was doing so well, i felt fine and everything. Then out of nowhere it goes downhill. I had a job, i slept fine, i was sober, i was eating healthy, my mind state was clear. Now its the complete opposite, no job, cant sleep or sleep too much, drinking here and there, and eating like shit or not eating at all. I dont care about not having a job what gets me down is the way i start feeling. Not having energy feeling a brain fog but the Dr's say im physically fine.

>at bar
>good to see you again, anon
>aha you too

Who the fuck are you and when did I talk to you.?

>>9711906
You sound like an insufferable pick. Keep hittin that bottle brother

>>9716503
That explains it then.
I've lived in Indiana, Wisconsin, and Washington and I've never been inside a bar where people were outwardly depressed. In fact it was quite the opposite in all the places I've been, and some of them have been really shitty.

>>9715859
>night before cousins wedding
>get shitfaced
>next morning arrive at the bride’s house where the ceremony is going to take place
>violently throw up in front of her neighbor’s house in front of her family

These are my black out stories told to me by my friends which I have no memory of:

>get drunk on the lake
>grab some random black dude’s girlfriend’s ass in front of him
>friends save my ass and manage to talk the guy from whooping my ass

>in a club
>random nigger tries to dance with my girlfriend
>grab him by the throat
>he runs off
>tells bouncer
>we get thrown out

>>9716710

I hate this so much

>>9711035

You sound like me. My fiancee also dislikes my drinking, and while I still can't really tell if I'm an alcoholic or not, because I can and have gone weeks and even months without, but then when I eventually go back to it, it's a full blown bender often lasting a week.

She hates it, but is also really loyal and caring. I want to stop for her, I just wish I could have one or two drinks and be good, but I can't.

I know people have varying views on Alcholism vs Binge Drinking, or if they are the same, if they're not.

I know I'm a binge drinker. I don't know about Alcholism.

At social functions and such, I am able to usually just have one or two, because I don't want to embarass myself and have others start labeling me as a wreck.

Hi /alck/.
I haven't drank any alcohol in a year.
Ask me anything.

>>9716087

'fessing up wouldn't help anything

>>9717267
is it all they promise?
im trying to eat and can barel lift the spoon without shaking all the food off

>>9716710

Last night I went to a bar because it was past 12 so all the beer sales were done. I got there already having a few beers in me. Then some random weird woman starts talking to me about becoming a Mormon and asking me all this personal shit. She even sent me a FB friend request. I shouldn't have told her my name, obviously, and now I find out she lives in the same apartment complex as me (granted it's a big one, and she lives on the way other side, but still).

Lastly, she said she was waiting for friends, and I don't know what bartender served her the drink without paying, she must have said oh I forgot my money but my friends are going to be here any minute.

Then she asks for another drink this time the bartender says "You never had any friends coming did you?" and they get into a huge fight, she throws the glass at the bartender, calls her a bitch,knocks over a chair and table on the way out, and then the bartender phones the police. Though she was long gone obviously by the time they would have arrived. I left soon after that, but I did pay for that weirdos drink since i felt bad for the bartender.

>>9716282

There used to be this one hot ass chick bartender at my bar. I always stared at dat ass. I never hit on her or anything, because all the other drunks were already doing that.

>tfw its winter and you can hide beer from your parents on your windowsill......and they get cold instead of drinking them at room temperature as per usual. (can't hide them in the fridge)

im 36

>>9716282
i agree with this anon

>>9717326
>im 36
grim

How many days a week do you drink?
How much do you drink on average per night?
How long have you been drinking heavily?

>>9717365
Are you doing homework on us, anon?

>>9710632
Just passing by, wishing the best to all the people going through that, you guys can make it and you guys are all worth it. Have a nice day/night wherever you are

>>9717267

how can you like what was obviously a bad show?

>>9717380
Yes. For science

>>9717365
>2-3 drinking days
>12+
>18

this is an improvement. i try not to drink mon-thurs. get wasted friday, hair of the dog saturday, taper sunday.

What should I grab at the package store tonight lads?

just smoke weed faggots it stops my vodka binges

>>9717393
should clarify, been drinking since 18. 25 now. my worst was between 8-12 a night for 4 months

>>9717396
girl on the left is disgusting

>>9717411
youre god damn right

>>9717411
i liek her

>tfw my idea of moderation is 2 large drams a night
>tfw I haven't had a single completely sober night in my flat that I have lived in for 6 months
I don't even fell bad, but I know I need to stop. I used to drink a 750ml bottle a day so this is a massive achievement for me, but I am still a raging alcoholic by normie standards

>>9717326
Get a small fridge in your room next spring. Or before having freezing temperatures

>>9717365
Used to be 7, about a 75cl vodka bottle, years.
Now dry.

>28F
>snowing
>go to grocery store sober so I can drive
>getting lettuce and gatorade
>pouring sweat because It's now 15 hours without a drink
>cashier says "pretty hot out there huh?"
>"yea"
>looks at me like she's afraid of me
>leave


I fucking hate cashiers. Your job is to ring up the shit I buy, Not talk to me.

>>9717464
>drams
you better be scottish or fuck off

a couple of large drinks isn't bad.....750ml per day is bad. you've done good and, if nobody has told you so, well fucking done. you've done good.

a couple of large drinks per day is "normie"

>>9717484
>you better be scottish or fuck off
I am. Whisky is cheap here, so it is easy to slide into really bad habits. Highland Park 12 is my poison, £25 a bottle is too tempting

Thanks man, I am secretly pleased with myself for getting down to this level, even if it is borderline unacceptable to normies

>>9710632
smoke weed instead.
Much better.

>>9717365
>How many days a week do you drink?
5-7

>How much do you drink on average per night?
A bottle of wine + warm-ups and nightcaps. This usually means an additional 2-5 strong beers and a white russian or two. Sometimes I'll go straight to a second bottle of wine.

>How long have you been drinking heavily?
I'm 26, probably for about 4 years. Drank socially when I was 21 in college, ostracized myself from everyone about 22, drinking began and ramped up from there.

I don't get shitfaced every night, but the drinking is so consistent that I fear the health ramifications. I'm starting to develop a pudge. However, at 6'2" and 190lbs, I'm not "fat" yet, just skinnyfat. Also, I'm generally happy, and make quite a bit of money at a very relaxing, fun job.

>>9717551
I’m the same weight, height and age but been drinking heavily for 2 years

>>9717572
Honestly, I've been at this weight for the duration of my heavy drinking, but muscle is disappearing and being replaced by fat. I think I've been 6' 2" and 185-190 since I was a junior in high school, but back then I was ripped and athletic.

>>9717551
I literally had to double check this to make sure I didn't write it. Fuck man, you are literally me except I am 200bs. I alienated myself when I was around 22 and convinced myself that I was a lone wolf, happy guy, and turned to the bottle every night. 26 now and I start off with a light beer or 2, then a bottle of wine, then maybe a couple of whiskies

>>9717589
I'd imagine there's plenty of folks like us, anon. We go through rapid worldview changes at that age, plus massive stressors whether you're in uni or dealing with other transitive life events. It's reasonable to expect that we might intentionally sabotage the relationships we have with those we've surrounded ourselves with to subconsciously make a massive social change. Unfortunately, many underestimate how easy it is to distance yourself from someone, but how difficult it is to get close.

Wine is delicious, and fairly cheap, and has plenty of variety, but a beer is easy to start the evening with because it's cold and refreshing. A bottle of wine is about the perfect amount for a man of our stature to feel nice, and it's easy to finish the evening with something hard and sweet and fragrant once you've got those vibes going.

We're not alone, anon.

>>9717582
Yeah. Last year I was about 185 so I’ve gained 7 pounds in a year. I don’t workout though.

>>9717518
im scottish....£25 ain't cheap

black bottle is a seriously good blend. they reformulated it recently which pissed lots of people off.... but it tastes like bunnahabhain lite and you can usually get it for £15.

I'm on the wine or beer. I get too rambunctious on whisky.

Sláinte my good man. getting down from a bottle per day is awesome. you deserve a massive pat on the back if you haven't given yourself one.

Was a police car parked right next to the alley I walk though to get booze. Got real paranoid about it.

>>9717730
>your imaginary waifu was a fat cop after all

>>9717446
nvm both gross

i like my bourbon how i like my girls

>>9717479
"man, you sure drank that beer fast, anon."

stfu i know. im withdrawing

>>9717479
I avoid eye contact.. I make the initial hi how are you I say fine she says price i pay i leave

>>9717848
yellow?

had a shower for the first time in a week
felt good but was getting kinda weak at the end

>>9717848
glassed?

>>9717479
>not going to self checkout
>not having groceries delivered
>not making your own booze

there are ways, anone

>>9717848
Thought it said "bulled bourbon" at first. But I still think you're a chuckold.

>>9717873
>self checkout

I live in a small town, They don't have those yet

>having groceries delivered

They also don't do this

>making alcohol at home
I don't like wine or beer and If I want to make liquor I have to have an extra 50k dollars insurance and jump though literal hoops then pay another 4000 for the license. I live in the worst state to make alcohol period

>>9710632
Drink a shit of bud ice, work, ??? Profit. I wish everyman the best, but I can't feel sorry 4u. I responded because its the eternal excuse.

I save $15000 dollars a year by making my own booze.

>>9717910
>license

>>9717938
nordic?

>>9717946
Yes, It's a license. It's issued though the department of licensing and regulatory affairs....Making it a license.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dleg/Small_Distiller-requirements_247345_7.pdf

>>9711386
pathetic gatekeeping, laff

>>9717949
what kind of cuck gets a license

>>9717848
Spotted the American

>>9717949
you don't tell the gubmint your shinin youngin

Am I considered an alcoholic if all I drink is beer, every weekend, for the past 4-5 years?

>>9717969
Are you joking?

>>9711821
m8 you are obviously delusional, yo

>>9717948

Canadian. We're just quiet about it. 40 Handles per pitch and that lasts 2 to 3 months.

>>9717860
nothing worse than body odor after 5 days of binge drinking. enough to make your eyes water.

>>9717969
there is no fixed amount for le special addict club.

>Alcoholism, also known as alcohol use disorder (AUD), is a broad term for any drinking of alcohol that results in mental or physical health problems.[12] The disorder was previously divided into two types: alcohol abuse and alcohol dependence.[1][13] In a medical context, alcoholism is said to exist when two or more of the following conditions is present: a person drinks large amounts over a long time period, has difficulty cutting down, acquiring and drinking alcohol takes up a great deal of time, alcohol is strongly desired, usage results in not fulfilling responsibilities, usage results in social problems, usage results in health problems, usage results in risky situations, withdrawal occurs when stopping, and alcohol tolerance has occurred with use.[1] Risky situations include drinking and driving or having unsafe sex, among other things.[1]

basically, if drinking causes problems you have a drinking problem.

>>9717974
No

>>9718004
So I'm one of you, fuck

>>9718045
if you have a problem, yes.

there are gatekeepers that will say that unless you can't go more than 6 hours without a pint of vodka without going into DTs you're not a real alcoholic though.

>>9713153
it means you're a normie, looking for something to make you special (i.e. alcoholism),

mybe we can massage peenorz sometime

>>9713153
it means drinking is fun, probably

>>9717959
>bulleit
>a gun

Are you literally Sherlock Holmes?

>>9718060
More reasonably speaking, someone who drinks beer only on weekends is fairly certain to not be an alcoholic. I'm not an elitist, but someone who doesn't even drink during the evenings in the work week would hardly be in the club.

New thread when?

>>9718156
you have people who basically stay drunk from friday afternoon until sunday evening who can really be said to have drinking problems even if they don't drink on weekdays. being wasted for three days out of seven is a lot, even though it may not seem so when you look at it from a permadrunk perspective.

>>9718172
That's fair, but I do have trouble believing anyone stays plastered during that period and only that period.

NEW:

>>9718194
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>>9714470
Not all of ethanol calories get used by the body. About half of them 'disappear' and no one really knows why.

Any of you niggers drinking this morning?

>>9716107
Go camping for a few days, get in sync with the sun