/ck/ - Food & Cooking

>>8510063
>No mycotoxin shitposting allowed!
I agree, no shit posting on the topic but ONLY the actual scientific facts.

TOP DEFINITION
Shit Posting:
1: The failure to make a constructive post
2: The inability to add useful information to a forum
3: Worthless overly offensive generally racists posts written in a manner which aggravates others.

So ANONS ONLY GOOD QUALITY SCIENTIFIC INFORMATIVE DISCUSSIONS PLEASE, NO SHIT-POSTG, PLEASE. Thank you.

What is Ochratoxin? Where is it a problem?
Ochratoxin is a class of several different chemicals belonging to the fungal toxins known as mycotoxins.
Unlike other fungal toxins, such as mushroom poison, mycotoxins are toxic secondary metabolites produced by mold, and we unintentionally ingest them in food.
Mycotoxins are documented to cause substantial suffering by disease and death in humans and animals, but the real impact is likely far more than we currently comprehend.

In developed countries, with our plethora of food and the diversity of our appetites, we avoid the acute and disastrous effects mold toxins have today in the developing world.
However, despite our current comforts, mycotoxins are still in our food supply.
Are these toxins affecting your health and your performance?
There are two main forms of contamination of agricultural products by ochratoxin, known as ochratoxin A and ochratoxin B.
In shorthand these are referred to as OTA and OTB in most scientific literature.
Ochratoxin B (OTB) is less common and less toxic than OTA.

OTA is produced most often by two Penicillium species (P. verrucoum and P. norduim) on poorly stored cereals
or by a wide range of Aspergilli in variety of products, including wine and COFFEE.

Is this the gween tea thread?

>>8510139
>Is this the gween tea thread?
>>8510083
>the actual scientific facts.
no it's the actual scientific facts about coffee thread including coffee accessories.

One of my friends got me a bag of protein coffee for Christmas, but I hate iced coffee. Am I screwed, or is there a hidden method for heating this stuff up without fucking it up

gween tea

>>8510289
Let me tell you a secret of the BIG COFFEE INDUSTRY that the dark roasted charred coffee is bad for you and it causes cancer.
Same as many other foods (meats for example or bread toasts) that are burned and charred are not healthy for humans and animals to consume
and causing cancer.
Read it here:
Over-cooked potatoes and burnt toast could cause cancer, new research suggests.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cancer-roast-potatoes-burnt-toast-starchy-foods-could-cause-cancer-acrylamide-food-standards-agency-a7540916.html

The Food Standards Agency (FSA) has issued a public warning over the risks of acrylamide - a chemical compound
that forms in some foods when they are cooked at high temperatures (above 120C).
A new campaign tells people how they can cut their risk, including opting for a gold colour - rather than darker brown -
when frying, roasting, baking, grilling or toasting.

Acrylamide is found in high levels in a range of foods including breakfast cereals (not porridge), chips,
potato products (such as waffles or children's potato shapes), biscuits, crackers, crispbread and crisps.

It is also found in COFFEE, cooked pizza bases, black olives and cereal-based baby foods.
Acrylamide forms due to a chemical reaction between certain sugars and an amino acid (asparagine) in the food.

Coffee doesn’t have to be gross: Why dark roast coffee is bad for you.
https://guddina.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/coffee-doesnt-have-to-be-gross-why-dark-roast-coffee-is-bad-for-you/

Roasting coffee to the same charred and black level, we believe, is the biggest reason why so many people think
that all coffee tastes the same… and that it all tastes bitter and disgusting.
Why Dark Roast Coffee is Bad For You
Dark roast coffees have less caffeine than light roast coffees
The longer and darker that you roast the coffee, the more caffeine you lose from the bean.

HERE IS A GOOD ARTICLE ON THE TOPIC
(with pictures)
What are the Different Types of Coffee Roast?
http://www.best-coffee-machines.com/what-are-the-different-types-of-coffee-roast

If I wanted one of those meme vacuum brewers, which one would be the best hypothetical option to get?

>>8510443
How much are you willing to spend?

>>8510455
Heck if I know.
I'm just looking for sweet alternatives.

>>8510083
Is this true? Is coffee really full of toxins?
This guy really sounds like he knows what he's talking about, and I'm starting to have second thoughts about coffee now.
Would appreciate more information if possible.

>>8510463
You need a general range. If you're talking about the reverse vacuum press, those things quickly get up into the thousands.

Make /COFFEE/ Great Again
Ban Mormons, Moldtalkers, those averse to cancer, and Animeposters

>>8510443
The dragon

>>8510485
You can't ban the spine of the site, anon

>>8510493
Anime isn't dignified and only attracts children, those who took special ed classes, and shitposters.
I hope you soon grow out of that phase.

>>8510511
>where do you think we are

>>8510517
You're borderline ironic, which is ok

>>8510063
>cowfee
>not coufee

>>8510469
How about one good recommendation per price range for 3 different unspecified ranges?

>>8510466
Anon you can read in this thread there are many very valuable posts there
>>8496980
you can really learn a lot from them and my idea is not to stop drinking coffee or convince others to stop drinking coffee, no NOT AT ALL
i still drink coffee every day, but now only one cup a day sometimes maximum two cups.
And now I for sure don't drink dark roast coffee (actually after I read those nasty facts about cancer causing burned charred particles in dark roast coffee)
I throw out into garbage almost full pound of perfectly good but it was dark roast coffee beans that vere not that cheap either.

Now I'm buying only locally roasted medium roast ORGANIC coffee.
Now I have this coffee (beans) locally roasted: ETHIOPIA YIRGACHEFFE BANKO DHADHATO.
Varietal: Heirloom
Processing: Sun-dried Natural.
Roasted: light medium

They are more expensive than most coffee beans but since I'm not going to drink 3-4 cups a day any more
and since I do care what I'm going to drink in relation to coffee I don't mind spending bit more for it.
As I posted in that other thread I do have a friend who got very bad pancreatic cancer from drinking too much coffee.
>>8502646
>As I said before in previous thread I do have a friend who was drinking coffee in quite large amounts (2-3-4 cups per day)
>and eventually got pancreatic cancer from it.
>Sad & painful story for him and for his family only over an "innocent few cups" of coffee.

Also drinking coffee on empty stomach especially in the morning before breakfast is a very bad for your health.
>>8498852
>>8500323
>>8501432
>>8505826

Anon, I suggest you Save on your computer this thread
>>8496980
so you can view the posts because that thread as you know will be Archived soon.

>>8510443

I honestly wouldn't bother. They have less precise temperature control than other methods and don't give you anything you cannot replicate with other easier to control, cheaper brewing methods.

>>8510466
This guy doesn't know shit

What do y'all like to pair up your coffee with?
In the morning I pair it up with a mineral water, in the afternoon with a cigarette

>>8511050
I heat my water up to 200 f
Welp, hello cancer

>>8511050
anon YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT
do you need doctors or scientist to tell you that consuming burned charred food is bad for you??
Are you really that DUMB or you trying to find other dumb people who will believe your garbage.
Read in this post and tell me that you are honestly believe what you posted
>>8505826
or you are just one of those dishonest greedy coffee sellers or coffee shop owners who is panicking right now
knowing that truth about health hazards of coffee is coming out.
Tell me honestly would you eat that dark black burned charred meat in the picture, all of it as it is.
So why do you think that consuming drinking coffee that was burned charred to dark roast is OK to do it ????????????????.

You fucking piece of shit you are trying to convince people to do so and your only reason is to make greedy money
not caring if people will get cancer from it or not.
I hope anon that you will die from cancer you fucking dishonest piece of shit.

And the repeating wording in that shit that you posted is: "probably" - "limited evidence" - "that appears" - "based on limited evidence"

Listen to me you asshole,
you will not find solid evidence that consuming food (it this case drinking coffee) that was grown using tons of TOXIC chemicals,
that has TOXIC molds growing on it, that was burned charred to dark black color is safe for humans and that will no cause cancer.
So stop trying because you are only making worst for your industry.

There are honest ethical ORGANIC coffee grovers and HONEST COFFEE roasters but there is not that many of them in this industry,
in this industry there is more people like you, dishonest greedy pieces of shit who even have the nerves to try to dispute all of those ugly facts
that your industry is trying to hide from unaware consumers.

>>8511190
I'm not even a coffeefag. I drink 2 cups of shit coffee through a cheapass drip every morning. But what's your fucking deal? Whose agenda are you pushing and why? The coffee threads were informative even for someone who is not a connosiuer before you showed up. Just go away, for god's sake. Some people like to hear what people that are really into coffee think about it.

How about you just fuck off, huh? You made your point. Sleep better knowing no one will ever change their behavior based on your ravings.

>>8511190

Coffee beans are not charred or burnt unless they are full french or italian roast.

Most coffee sold in the US is roasted to a Full City Roast+ at most which isn't charred at all.

The browning of the beans comes from the maillard reaction - the same thing that turns the crust of a loaf of bread brown. Are you stupid enough to think that bread is a carcinogen?

>>8511190
>>8511264

[_] NOT REKT
[_] REKT
[X] TYRANNOSAURUS REKT

>>8511256
>The coffee threads were informative
Hey, whining shit head, how Am'I preventing you from posting your glamorizing informative stories about coffee.
Go post your shit share your wisdom, stop acting like little whining pissy girl.
>>8511256
>Some people like to hear what people that are really into coffee think about it.
There you go you fucker you said it. I'm sharing what I think about it.

post your shit or STFU
I THINK I JUST FOUND YOUR SELFIE ON YOUR HARD DRIVE

>>8511264
>Are you stupid enough to think that bread is a carcinogen?
NO YOU ARE STUPID NOT READING MY POST AND NOT COMPREHENDING what I said.
I was only talking about dark roast coffee (not medium roast coffee) you idiot, so next time read carefully before you start yapping.

>>8511306

Actually that is a well known piece of portraiture done by Jill Greenberg in 2012.

She also did pic rel, I believe it's your mother.

>>8511318

There is extremely little dark roast coffee in the US. It is highly likely that no one on this board has ever even had a dark roasted coffee.

Seriously... go try to find a truly dark roasted coffee at your local grocery store - or any of the coffee houses in the area. It starts to taste like ash or a carbon filter.. it's awful and americans won't drink it.

>>8511318
no one who actually likes coffee drinks dark roast

dark roast is a forced meme by folgers, maxwell house, et al. to sell shitty stale robusta

>>8511318
>shitposting this loudly for a very small subset of roasts
At least keep your shitposting to a single post and fuck off.

>>8511264
here fucker where did I talk about other roast besides dark roast >>8510407
nowhere, you are making fool of yourself

or this link to my other post in the other thread
>>8511190
>>8505826

>>8511318
>ALL CAPS

[X] CONFIRMED TYRANNOSAURUS REKT SIGHTING

>>8511341
>samefagging rektage

i love coffee

>>8511318

"The results indicate that coffee contributes with very insignificant quantities to the daily human intake of carcinogenic PAHs."

PAHs are the compounds you are talking about with regard to roasting and carcinogens. Keep in mind that meat has other compounds in it besides these that become carcinogenic, but coffee only has this variety.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19271317

>>8511345
WHAT'S WRONG WITH CAPS YOU DELICATE SNOWFLAKES.
WHAT YOU ARE BUNCH of sensitive feminized faggots here?

>>8511352

We have the best coffee, ok. I know people that say we have the best coffee. It doesn't cause cancer. It's light to medium roast. We're gonna build a roaster and the columbians are going to pay for, ok? And it's gonna be great. All the people are saying it. Everyone knows it's true. We're gonna roast to first crack, let the beans brown a little bit more, but we're gonna stop just before second crack or maybe just a couple seconds after second crack. It's gonna be terrific. I'm gonna be the best roaster president America has ever seen. I won the most popular roast in America and the number of people at my inauguration that wanted some of my hot coffee was huuuuge.

>>8511351
PROBLEM with majority of coffee is not only how dark is roasted but also that is grown using ton's of TOXIC chemicals and that is has TOXIC molds growing on it
>>8510083
*************
>>8503166
>>8498852
Oh, it’s a sad fact for us coffee lovers, but this bean is one of the most intensively sprayed crops around.
Why? Normally, coffee is grows on bushes naturally in the shade, but to increase production, most large coffee makers cut down huge swaths of rainforest (hello, Nestle!)
and douse the beans with TOXIC chemicals to grow coffee more quickly.

rate my pourover

18g coffee, grind 15 on baratza virtuoso
285g water, 195*F
preheated v60 and mug
50g pour for bloom, wait 20s
150g pour, wait 60s
85g pour to knock down the high-n-dries

coffee cools to 155f
drink

>>8511380
>drinking robusta
nigga that's your problem. get some proper arabica. ethiopia aricha is good, sulawesi toraja is also p good

Is that mexico organic whole bean stuff at costco any good?

>>8511401
I'm not fucking drinking robusta you moron, nowhere did I said that I drink robusta so don't make shit up, OK.

Right now I have couple of pounds of this coffee
>>8510542
Now I'm buying only locally roasted medium roast ORGANIC coffee.
Now I have this coffee (beans) locally roasted: ETHIOPIA YIRGACHEFFE BANKO DHADHATO.
Varietal: Heirloom
Processing: Sun-dried Natural.
Roasted: light medium

>>8511393

Grind is too fine for pour over

You're using too much water to start with according to the American Cupping Society...

195 is not hot enough to extract some of the components so you are going to miss some flavor elements.

50g for bloom is too much, 20s is not long enough.

These are generalities and they may all differ given different sources for beans and the roast.

Given that you didn't list an origin for the bean or the roast I'm going to just assume that you have no business working with a pour over anyway because even if you did manage to not fuck up everything - you wouldn't be able to tell if you got it right anyway.

>>8511393
>Is pour over a meme?

>>8511436
but you are correct anon on your recommendations
>>8511401
>nigga that's your problem. get some proper arabica. ethiopia aricha is good, sulawesi toraja is also p goo
those are good quality choices, thanks for that.

>>8511438
brainlet
it's a good enough recipe for doubleshot.

you saying they're shit?

>>8511401
>get some proper arabica. ethiopia aricha is good, sulawesi toraja is p good

tfw your favorites are out of season right now and you end up buying 2016 vintage sulawesi

>>8511490
as long as is not roasted
green coffee is like red wine bit of time of aging (in proper conditions of course) is good for it, no problematico.

>>8511490
>vintage

what the fuck
this isnt wine

>>8511490
>not buying green and roasting on demand

>>8510063
city roast master race

glad to see discussion drifting away from the craft of coffee towards conspiracy theories

>>8510063
anyone VST basket here? i just picked up my first tonight (a ridgeless 20g vst) and am pleased with the results over the stock silvia double filter. even though i went 2 steps down on my grinder my shot ran a little fast so i think there's still some room to dial it down closer. first thing i noticed from the shot tho was how noticably richer and darker the crema was.

>>8511502
>>vintage
>what the fuck
>this isnt wine
I hope you are not that dumb that you don't know that word vintage (vint-age) applies not only to wine, but also to cars to vintage cars for example, and to applies to coffee as well.

I find this is a good bang for my buck

>>8511572
very elegant classy not too busy label design (like in some cheap coffees) and matching color lid, high end

>>8510289
caw

>>8511424
no, but it may well be better than what you're drinking now

>>8511587
dawrk rawst

>>8511424
>>8511598
I personally boycott Mexican food products
almost never buy any food from Mexico, heard nasty stories how they spit and piss on fruits and vegetables if they know that they will be shipped to US.

>>8511424
I don't trust Mexicans if that coffee was really grown organically,probably just bullshit packaging

>>8511617
Most mexican products in the US are sold in mexican supermarkets and not the "ethnic foods" aisle.
It's mostly mexicans buying it.

>>8510063
>>8510139
>>8510166
>>8510289
>>8510423
>>8510493
>>8510517
>>8510542
>>8511587
>>8511603
>weebshit
Is this some kind of secret thread for a bunch of you neckbearded weeblords to get together and post autistic garbage?

>>8511649
>feeling left out and ignored by majority
>time to jump from the bridge

>>8511649
Do you even like coffee?

>>8511424
i would drink instant coffee before i drink mexican crap coffee who cares if it's organic or not their coffee sucks

Does /ck/ think 212 degrees Fahrenheit too hot for coarse ground infusion?

>>8511757
depends on the altitude where you are brewing coffee that makes huge difference, and is the water hard or soft

>>8511764
I'm about 60 above sealevel and yeah a bit hard from a well. Hard enough that I use the keurig machine for it's filter to pour over tea at 192. Not hot enough for coffee.

A water filter of some sort ought to be my next appliance purchase.

>>8510083
The only Aspergilli here is you

>>8511190
In the industry we call this the "counter-jew", trying to push blame onto others to seem like them shilling their products (NATURAL ORGANIC LIGHTROAST) is the just thing to do. Go away Shekelstein, we aren't interested in your overpriced chickenshit.

I've got a javapresse manual burr grinder clone. Issuing it instead of a blade grinder improved my coffee, but it is pretty inconsistent with grind size.

Would a skerton be a noticable improvement? I don't have much to spend.

>>8512040
*Using it

What kind of coffee mate powder do you guys like? I like the chocolate kind, but I usually buy the original kind because I can get it in a really big can and it's cheaper than buying the smaller ones.

>>8512040
Pretty much any of those hand held grinders (short of a pharos or whatever) are going to produce wildly inconsistent grind sizes, it's kind of annoying how they get memed up like the second coming. Don't bother with the skerton, save up for an encore instead

>>8511393

Grind is way too fine unless the calibration on your Virtuoso is totally shot.

Water should be much hotter, at least 205 to start, ideally closer to 208 (to account for the temperature drop mixing with the grounds will cause).

I know that blooms are normally done with 2x coffee weight, but in my Chemex I've found that 3x coffee weight consistently produces better results.

>>8511438

He's using a 15.83:1 ratio. I was under the impression that ratios between 15:1 and 17:1 were standard.

How do you guys grind your coffee?
Do you use the one true proper method?

Anyone have experience with the handground precision manual grinder? Looks alright for $80.

>>8512329
I use my hands

>>8512389
In all seriousness though, what do you use?
I just used a mortar and pestle because the semi cheapo crank driven burr grinder I ordered hasn't arrived yet.

>>8512329
>>8512408

Barzata Virtuoso.

>>8512070
encore is shit and not good at anything.

>>8512040
if you are doing anything coarser than french press than a skerton is not what you want (because of burr wobble). a hario mini would be an improvement but both skerton and mini are more suited for fines anyway (more consistent at espresso grind than cheap electrics like the encore which are incapable of espresso grind in the first place)

>>8510063
coffee is so nasty

>>8512743
You haven't ever had good coffee

>>8512743
>coffee is so nasty
YES IT IS, and if you consider all those toxins in it, like heavy duty toxic fertilizers and pesticides LIKE TOXIC CANCER CAUSING MOLDS
drinking commercially grown coffee should be avoided at all cost if you really taking seriously your health and health of you family members who drink coffee.
There are honest and dishonest money greedy players in this coffee industry, few of the are posting here in this thread, like this asshole
>>8511946 who is clearly shilling for the BIG COFFEE even by stating this crap:
>(NATURAL ORGANIC LIGHTROAST)
>we aren't interested in your overpriced chickenshit.
So you see people he even openly is telling you that you should put your money ahead of your health and not to buy healthy ORGANIC grown coffee
and just buy that toxic chemically infused cancer causing commercial shit coffee.

You have the options now anons to support chemically grown coffee and risk of getting cancer from it, or to buy ORGANICALLY grown coffee
and drink healthy coffee not the toxic chemicals from commercial growers.
>>8510542
>They are more expensive than most coffee beans but since I'm not going to drink 3-4 cups a day any more
>and since I do care what I'm going to drink in relation to coffee I don't mind spending bit more for it.
>As I posted in that other thread I do have a friend who got very bad pancreatic cancer from drinking too much coffee.
And my friend was drinking commercially grown coffee not ORGANIC grown coffee and most of the time it was dark roast.

You guys make the right choice for your health not for the wallets of the greedy assholes who are selling you toxic shit.

My self and few of my friends after reading all that stuff about commercial coffee stopped drinking at coffee shoppes and stopped buying that crap now they only buy organic locally roasted coffee beans.

OUR HEALTH MATTERS

>>8513336
>>8513001
never forget the the tyrannosaurus rekt sighting

>>8511617
>not shopping at the Mexican Supermarket
You must not like flavor and value, vato

>>8510063
I can't justify buying coffee anywhere after acquiring pic related. Once I got the process down, there was no better coffee in the city.

Best part: there's a coffee roaster/shop in town that sells coffee/espresso beans straight from their farm in Guatemala

>>8513673
congratulations mate.
Mind posting the coffee you use?

>>8513677
For sure: it's mostly their espresso beans I get. It's a coffee shop/roasters in Tulsa, OK called "Topeca."

(And I was mistaken: their farm is in El Salvador, not Guatemala)

>>8513673
>coffee/espresso beans
just make sure to get the DARK roast beans, you know that are mostly used for espresso machines brewing technology,
you know to use lowest quality robusta beans and to roast (burn,charr) the shit out of them because they have no flavor in them
because they are of so shitty low quality.
And by dark roasting them and creating very unnatural taste but more uniform taste, they can sell low quality coffee bans at the same price
as the good quality coffee is sold to the retail customer,
it doesn't happen with any others commodity, and remember that coffee is the second largest commodity traded right after the oil.
If those cheap low quality robusta coffee beans were to be roasted to a medium roast level nobody would buy them because it tastes so shitty,
so the only solution for the coffee industry was to do this dark roast scam.

And it works, those customers who are not aware of it buy it (and pay same price for it as for high quality beans roasted to medium roast level)
one of the best marketing tricks, from marketing point I (and collectively We) must give them credit for such a genius idea.
But besides being genius this marketing scum is also EVIL,
evil because is not telling you that consuming burned, charred, foods (coffee beans in DARK roast included) that is very carcinogenic,
you know giving you fucking CANCER.


>Let me tell you a secret of the BIG COFFEE INDUSTRY that the dark roasted charred coffee is bad for you and it causes cancer.
>>8510407

>anon YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT
>>8511190
*
>>8511264
>>8498634 very good post.
>>8498781 very good post.

Maybe you are aware that espresso could be also made from medium roast coffee beans but needs to re-learn the flavor & taste of espresso made coffee.
Person needs to get used to to different taste.
And that's where the battle between logic and common sense healthy choice & emotions from being accustomed to different taste is fought.

>>8513787
Anon, the right amount of literally anything will give you cancer. So calm down.

>>8513937

>>8513969
Do you understand what cancer is? It's essentially vulnerable cells (like cells that reproduce rapidly) growing out of control: your cells respond to stimuli, and doing anything to your body is a stimulus.

I know the concept of stimulus/reaction is difficult to understand, but you could at least try.

>>8514223
again this applies to you

I can’t have coffee outside of the house because there’s a good chance it will make me want to poop.
I refuse to use public bathrooms. Is there any other solution for this?

>>8514243
So you're just willfully ignorant then?

God help us all if you ever breed..

>>8514370
too late I already did 3 times

>>8513673
breville make shit. i hope you at least got a fucking single wall portafilter basket you pleb.

>>8514615
post picture of your setup shit boy

coffee is scary

>>8511438
>>8512166
Tried it again coarser and hotter
tastes the same 2 me lol

>>8515011
time to switch to instant coffee
join 21century and leave the old technology behind anon
stop the insanity
you will never go back, having consistent high quality coffee beverage every time you make it
and no more fussing with silly equipment

>>8511563
I think about buying one. Right now, I'd rather buy a new tamper base. Fuck those assholes who convinced me to buy a convex tamper. This thing is useless.

>>8515230
>Fuck those assholes who convinced me to buy a convex tamper.
were they posting on /ck/ in coffee threads?

Qual' è la marca di caffé migliore in italia? Alce Nero?

>>8515305
Italia espresso

>>8515305
Ferrari or Lamborghini

Now coffee scares me. Fuck it.

>>8511649
>99% of banners in this site is anime relate pic
>originally made for anime discussion
>reeeee weebshit

>>8515449
>99%
Your math is abysmal.
Weeb.

I want to buy a fully automated coffee machine, any recommendations?

Is pourover coffee socially acceptable?

>>8515495
what budget

>>8515527
In my opinioon ,eys

>>8515011

What kind of coffee are you using and how fresh is it?

>>8515527

What does that even mean? Do you often make coffee in public?

>>8515230
if you're gonna get a new tamper base anyway, may as well buy one designed specifically for VST baskets. typically those use square bottom, flat tampers with a slightly larger than standard diameter (58.35" usually)

>>8515539
Up to 500€ is what i'd be willing to spend

>>8515567
Are Vst baskets really worth it? I rather spend my money on good beans atm and save some money the next months to buy a vst basket... A tamper base with slightly larger diameter should fit in my actual baskets, tough.

.....has cancer jew been banned?

>>8515798
On holocaust rememberance day no less

>>8513752
Neat, I get a light roast from El Salvador from my local place.

>>8511424
Anything lighter than medium isn't a true Mexican cup of coffee

>>8511649

>buy slightly more expensive beans one week
>friends immediately think I'm the barista king
>stuck buying expensive beans to cover up personal inadequacy

>>8515662
YES. assuming you have a good grinder, good beans and have dialed in your technique already. EVEN extraction is the key to thw God Shot. low quality stock baskets are a detriment to that

>>8515551
i'm meming, it tasted better,thanks for the advice.

aricha, roasted ~10 days ago

>>8511490
there are plenty of ~artisinal~ brands to try in the meantime

anybody else /homecoldbrew/? my productivity is unreal, constant supply of caffeine without spending $5 per cup at my usual spot.

>>8514346
do an enema before you leave your house

>>8516115
I have a HX dual boiler machine with an E61 group. With bottomless porta filter many extractions tend to have donuts. So I'll really should give it a try, I think.

I really can recommend the middle one in pic related, if you're from around btw.

>>8510063
I bought decaf today, I haven't drinked coffee in 4 years due to health issues but I'd like to try again, wish me luck.

>>8510083
>>8510407
>>8511190
>>8511264
>>8513787
crazy shit all that is very disturbing if it's true
my wife said we are making drastic changes she is talking to her family and friends big freaking panic.they are all health freaks meeting in coffee shops on biweekly basis
few of her girlfriends got breasts cancer now they are thinking it might be because of drinking coffee.fuck my wife is also very concerned.I worry about her health too
dudes what do you think about it sounds legit to me Im not comfortable with all that crap I was reading.any advise

every time I make moka pot coffee it is just garbage

may as well use folgers

>>8516376
donuts are the hallmark of your convex tamper. if i were you i'd even grab a cheap $20 motta of maya base off amazon.

'https://www.amazon.com/Motta-Rainbow-Coffee-Tamper-Yellow/dp/B00X7NETHW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1485635787&sr=8-6&keywords=motta%2Btamper&th=1

the hard rubber handle is rubbish but the base screws off and you can stick whatever handle you got lying around.

>>8516587
>OR maya

https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Coffee-Espresso-Tamper-Stainless/dp/B00WXREVGC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1485635916&sr=8-3&keywords=maya%2Btamper&th=1

they used to offer a 58mm on this page, not sure what happened

>>8516409
Some tips
>preheat the water before pouring in, this ensures that grounds don't get burnt while water is heated
>grind coffee coarser than espresso grind (which is too fine for the moka pot)

Other than that I can give you some advice that I usually use light or medium roast beans, but moka pots are inconsitent by nature.

Why do you people have to turn coffee into something shameful?

>>8516660
What do you mean

>>8511508

I do this.. precisely.. but some crops aren't available sometimes and sell out each season.

>>8515011
This is because pour over is a meme. People should just use drip machines. They are superior for home cooks because everything is already preset to hit certain temperatures and measures. the trick to getting the most out of coffee is roasting your own beans and grinding to the right setting for your extraction method. if you grind medium to medium coarse, drip machines make a better cup of coffee anyway.

>>8515495

Mr. Coffee 12 cup with delay brew.

>>8515798
Yes... pretty sure.

>>8515939
Lol. I know this feeling...

>>8516163
Sure you are. tfw when your tongue is made of wood and you can't really tell what you are doing...

>>8516224
True, its a good time of year to go with the samplers from different bean houses...

>>8516881
you're a shitty nignog

>>8516405
update on family and friends coffee emergency meeting oh my it was full of drama but the conclusion is 1.no more drinking coffee from coffee shops 2.no reduction at lest for now
of the numbers of cups per day but it must be brewed at home and with all that healthy natural grown beans 3.never again any dark beans from now on only lighter roast.
my wife has very intense serious approach to it. girls are scared that coffee might give them cancer also that means no more espressos for me at the bar just healthy stuff at home.
I guess I will have to adjust. no biggie

>>8516968
grow a fucking pair

>>8516968
tell your kids no smartphones or wifi because those cause cancer

>>8517018
what.why. it's health choice what's wrong with you?

>>8517020
I hope you trolling

>>8517020
your kids PhD cancer researchers? DRINKING is a bigger cancer risk than coffee, yet they didn't make you give up the bottle. you're just being a cuck to your shitty wife's whims and have no say over your kids who egg her on to your own detriment. like i said, GROW A FUCKING PAIR.

>>8516881
>Mr. Coffee 12 cup with delay brew.

I was thinking about a fully automated machine where i put in whole beans, it grinds and brews for me. Not quite sure what the exact english term is but you get what I mean.

You guys are weird or just shilling or trolling same like years ago tobacco industry was telling us that smoking cigarettes was Ok
and full of fun and then we were told that it actually causes nasty lung cancer same thing might be with coffee. according to many articles
there are real serious health concerns that should be respected and avoided when it comes to coffee
you guys are just ignorant trolls and are risking getting cancer. I'm not going that route.We are making changes

>>8517080
C U C K

>>8517080
GET BACK TO WORK DONALD

>>8517087
>>8517089
you guys can't give straight smart answers.it's just this bullshit and avoiding the real issue of health and drinking coffee you must be really big shots live long carrier baristas snobs drinking your coffee and thinking will I or will I not get cancer from it?
but here you are acting all tough and smart tho in mean time you are worrying also about you health same as the rest of us.

>>8517111
on the improbable chance you aren't a dumb little bitch troll, the rest of us are well educated and informed. We have seen innumerable studies. We have seen the grand peer reviewed amalgamation develop over decades. Modern medicine has advanced greatly and has cemented quality coffee as beneficial for healthy adults. Sure, the corporations have reason to lie, but I haven't seen reputable significant findings to the contrary since outdated readers digest that was reporting on the dwindling schism of scientific consensus. I was reading in the dentists office over a decade ago.

>>8517275
If you guys are so well educated and informed I would love to see serious scientific study saying that consuming products grown full of chemical fertilizers and pesticides is not harmful.
really anon please provide links.
yes there must be some health benefits from drinking coffee I don't dispute that but don't you think that drinking coffee full of other nasty chemicals could be very bad for your health.
I don't understand your opposition to this concept at all.
Looks like you are trying to make this a nonissue same as tobacco industry was doing years ago lying about smoking cigarettes and cancer.
What's your agenda anon.

>>8517348
Gosh it's almost like there's laws against selling food products that are directly dangerous to the consumer.

Sometimes winter is interesting.

I guess when some of you will get serious health issues like cancer you will look differently at things around you and at the food you are consuming
and you will wonder if maybe it could be avoided if only you paid attention to warnings about ingesting foods grown with the use of hazardous chemicals
like coffee in this case.
Right now you are very cocky and confident but when you get bad news from your doctor that you got cancer you will get very sad and very disappointed very fast.
Let's wait and see how cocky you will be then.

>>8517348
The studies are focused on coffee grown correctly because thats what the CIA took over sout hamerica for, good coffee. It's not a new thing. Pesticides like you're thinking of are way newer than coffee. The cannabis cup disqualified a lot of people for pesticide tainting, but the idea should be that good coffee is grown the right way and not the wrong way. If you're worried about widespread pesiticide abuse, buy organic.

And I would like cheapo coffee thats not full of pesticides myself, that's what I expect. Especially after all the processing.

Did the website you read about this have a healing crystal section? I'm sorry for lashing out, but there are a lot of unfunny trolls that need it around here. Myself included sometimes.

>>8517401
second hand smoke increases cancer rates from something like .8 people per million to 2.1 people per million. You're just being an angry babby now and newsflash it's not use it's literally the majority of people. ps i smoke

>>8517398
Fuck, man

>>8517398
CUTE

>>8517438
*South

>>8517485
>>8517505
Bit better of a picture.

>>8517532
Do you have that in higher resolution?

Also how did you make your coffee? I've had the odd ground in my cup but that looks like a lot of fine coffee dust.

>>8517532
>>8517545

1. looks like fine particulates as often seen at the bottom of drip coffee

2. I don't this anon deserves a higher resolution.

>>8517545
A picture was taken with another phone actually, let me get that sent to me in case it's a higher res.

It was actually a cup from a french press, but I ground it a bit fine because I wasn't happy with the extraction I was getting on those beans. Was a delicious cup.

Not a better resolution but a bit better focus. There's another with odd lighting but I don't want to post too many unless it's requested.

>>8517657
Can we get another one with a slightly tilted angle?

>>8517661
This cup was made about a month ago, so on demand shots aren't quite possible.

>>8517532
>>8517398
Am I tripping or something?

>>8517900
go outside any time lately?

>>8510063
Give me your very best coffee missy

Can you really get cancer from drinking coffee?
There was so much written about it lately that it makes me think twice now.

>>8517657
looks great what photoshop program you using to get that effect

>>8517068

Breville has really made a name for themselves in the almost commercial grade "pro-sumer" market for kitchen gadgets. Their unit the Breville BDC650BSS Grind Control looks to be full featured... but I would probably save some money and get the Capresso 464.05 CoffeeTeam GS 10-Cup Digital Coffeemaker with Conical Burr Grinder.

Capresso grinders are top notch.

Although.. I really don't see anything wrong with pre grinding the night before. There really isn't a difference in 12 hours.

>>8517398
>>8517532
>>8517657
>>8517666
What am I missing here?

>>8517625
If you're not happy with extraction, just wait longer or use hotter water (or both)
Grinding too fine will result in oils, mum, and grounds in your cup

>>8517666

That's what you would say, you photoshop'n shitlord.

>>8518637
Ask a doctor, not 4chan

>>8519503
>What am I missing here?
great photoshop skills

>see some REKT shit
>bring up the thread on warosu
>half the posts were deleted because some nerd went full tinfoil
>meanwhile I sip my Donut Shop™ coffee made in a Keurig™ coffee maker (I got it for free, settle down)
It tastes a bit better flavored with anon's tears.

>>8519717
both colors are very interesting

I'm poor and I'm always in a rush when I wake up to go to uni, currently using some shit 100 euro espresso machine and buy already grinded coffee. my espresso comes out like shit, and I have to add 2 teaspoons of sugar to make it tolerable.
is it worth investing in a french press or something else considering the facts stated above?

>>8519970
you can't really make espresso with a French press, so...

>>8519998
yes, but is it still worth it for making good coffee? also, does it take ages to make?

Redpill me on clover machines

>>8520075
Novelty machine that was on the path to becoming a coffee hipster darling when Starbucks got involved

Now nobody will touch it with a shit-covered bargepole and the shops that invested in one are regretting their choice

>>8519616
>Ask a doctor, not 4chan
I'm asking here on 4chan because here on /ck/ there was bunch of very interesting convincing posts in this thread & in previous threads
with pictures and with links to very solid and factual articles on that topic,they were supported by scientific facts,
like scientifically proven & factually documented that toxic fertilizers and pesticides are sprayed on coffee bushes on coffee beans.

Also same level of documentation was posted on the topic of toxic molds present in coffee beans.
And third very shocking story was about cancer causing elements in the dark roast coffee beans due to the fact that the beans were roasted burned-charred
to the point that chemical reaction due to the heat was creating new form of very toxic scientifically acknowledged & proven carcinogens (substances capable of causing cancer in living tissue).
So they were covering mostly 3 problem ares with connection to possibility of getting cancer from drinking 'wrong' type of coffee.

And that 'wrong' type of coffee doesn't necessary has to be commercially grown using toxic fertilizers and pesticides coffee,
it could also be Organically grown coffee.
Great thing about Organic coffee (if was indeed) grown practicing all the rules applying to U.S.Department of Agriculture ORGANIC (USDA-O) and International Codes
that no toxic chemicals was used on it, but Organically grown coffee can also be a source of the cancer causing elements from the other two types of 'wrong' coffee beans.
Organic beans that have toxic mold growing on them & beans that were roasted burned-charred to the dark roast level.

Wrong thinking, because we drink coffee from Organically grown coffee beans that we are 100% OK & that we are sheltered from the possibility of getting cancer from 'wrong' coffee.
No that is wrong thinking, same as commercially grown coffee also Organically grown coffee can be damaging to our health if it has toxic molds or if we are drinking dark roast, or both.

>>8519644
None of those pictures are edited a single bit. I have a witness, hence the different width on some pics from their phone. Weird shit happens sometimes.

>>8519970
maybe the biggest problem is not your espresso machine to such a degree but the type of coffee beans you are using,
also the fact that you are using already grounded coffee is not a great start.
I would definitely experiment with switching coffee brand (maybe you already did that), if you need to stick (at least for now) buying grounded coffee
buy them from your local roasting house or freshly ground using internet coffee sellers with quick delivery time.
Also be aware of info in this post
>>8520204
in relation of drinking dark roast coffee (that is mostly used in espresso blends).
In order to avoid the possibility of getting cancer I would only use medium roasted coffee in my espresso machine.

To make my experiment with switching brands I would buy very good quality coffee,talk to the seller or I'm sure there will be experts here
(who hate me for exposing the health issues with drinking the 'wrong' coffee) & they can help you recommending different coffee choices
in medium roast suitable for espresso machines, making espresso is done and doesn't have to be the traditional dark roast beans.
Reason those (robusta mostly) beans were roasted to dark roast is because they are of lesser quality when comes to taste and flavor & they taste terrible if they were roasted to medium roast.
If you can not buy from your local roaster or from internet & you have to buy from big stores buy medium roast good-high quality 100%Arabica coffee,
not all Arabica beans are of good-high quality of course so chose wisely.

anon you mentioned that you are always >>8519970
>and I'm always in a rush when I wake up to go to uni,
I hope you had chance to read how destructive to your stomach is drinking coffee in the morning on an empty stomach,very bad for your health anon.

This is Why You Need to STOP Drinking Coffee on an Empty Stomach!
https://www.davidwolfe.com/stop-drinking-coffee-empty-stomach/

Coffee is fun-but drink it smart.

The Costa Rican stuff I just got is roasting very inconsistently in my air popper. Wat do? Should I attempt oven roasting?

>>8520439
My last bag from Nicaragua was effortless btw. This stuff seems to shed less skin.

>>8520363
>Weird shit happens sometimes.
EXACTLY
especially with some people who reject the facts at all cost.

Are the Janitors and Mods of this thread need to be reported to their Big Bosses for abusing their privileges and their powers?
Deleting perfectly legit posts by projecting their personal views is against 4chan rules.
Janitors and Mods in the past were removed from their duties after complains agains them reached higher levels of their Bosses.

Time to do some house cleaning I guess.
Boys you better slow down you drinking too much coffee too much caffeine is messing up with your reasonable
approach to posts here, you vere given this job and you vere told to Follow the Rules
but there is very solid evidence that you are abusing your positions by deleting absolutely appropriate posts
and you are braking 4chan Rules.

You ALL will REPORTED to your Big Bosses for that.

Are the Janitors and Mods of this thread need to be reported to their Big Bosses for abusing their privileges and their powers?
Deleting perfectly legit posts by projecting their personal views is against 4chan rules.
Janitors and Mods in the past were removed from their duties after complains agains them reached higher levels of their Bosses.

Time to do some house cleaning I guess.
Boys you better slow down you drinking too much coffee too much caffeine is messing up with your reasonable
approach to posts here, you vere given this job and you vere told to Follow the Rules
but there is very solid evidence that you are abusing your positions by deleting absolutely appropriate posts
and you are braking 4chan Rules.

You ALL WILL BE REPORTED to your BIG Bosses for that.

>>8520608
P.S.
Janitors and Mods
Complain against you will also cover the inappropriate illegal bans that you are imposing on posters who did not broke the 4chan Rules
but you are stretching and banding the Rules opposite what the 4chan Code is describing just to force your personal views.
That is not your job.
You are braking the Rules guys.

>>8520608
>>8520631
Janitors and Mods.
Will my posts about the positive and negative aspects of drinking coffee very balanced presentation, unbiased
but based on facts be allowed to be posted (and not deleted by you) in separate dedicated threads on /ck/ ?

>>8520658
BTW, I never suggested for people to stop drinking coffee,
I'm coffee drinker my self, drinking coffee every single day bu ti was presenting facts about different types of coffee
I was presenting scientific facts the there is un-healthy coffee grown with toxic chemicals and that there is Organic coffee
grown without toxic chemicals but that both of them can also be bad for your health if there is toxic mold growing on them
or of they are roasted to a dark charred roast.
Or if coffee is drunk on a empty stomach.

So just to be clear never in my posts I saId: DON'T DRINK COFFEE
I just give access to informations that there is a healthier way to drink and enjoy coffee
but your (Janitors and Mods) personal very strange approach was to delete my posts and to ban me for doing
nothing illegal according to 4chan Rules by posting this info here.

Your attitude is wrong here not mine.
So perhaps me making separate threads would solve this dispute, otherwise I will gather all saved evidences
and presented them to your Big Bosses.

What you say Mods?

>>8520684
>day bu ti was presenting facts
*correction*
day but I was presenting

>>8520204
>>8520372
>>8520608
>>8520631
>>8520658
>>8520684
You are a massive homosexual. Your rage tears are delicious and sweeten my mass-produced dark roast just right. I hope you get perma b&.

>>8519970
Get an AeroPress. It's quick as fuck and you can make the cup as strong as you want. Of course it won't be espresso tier but it's convenient for the situation you're in.

Wait, did that autist actually get banned?

>>8521093
>perma b&.
you know that bans never really work:)

>>8521126
don't count on it

Due to a sale + manufacturer's coupons I just bought several bags of this for $4 each. This is the best bean quality to price ratio I've ever experienced. Sometimes glitches happen, I guess.

>>8519465
both breville and capresso make low end crap

I want a cup so bad but it's 10pm.

>>8521434
I unironically enjoy their black drip.

>>8521862
And I sometimes enjoy their oily beans at home. I often roast mine to that degree. It's good with a mouth full of peanut butter.

STARBUCKS IS A CANCER

Fuck Starbucks coffee.
First the crap against Trump during elections and now this crap with giving jobs to 10000 immigrants.
Will never buy coffee at Starbucks again in my life. Fuck them.

>>8521207
>not drinking Yuban

>>8521207
Target's coffee is pretty good value

>>8522701
>/pol/tards whine about how companies should be able to take whatever stance they want and libcucks need to deal with it
>except when it goes against my opinions

>>8522701
I've never been to Starbucks in my life, but with their opposition to Drumpf I'll be getting a cup there everyday. Thank god a corporation is showing some spine and standing up to that mongoloid.

>>8522733
ask them to add few drops of Hillary's piss to your coffee they store it in a jug in the fridge since her las visit you traitor

French press broke and I got an aeropress for Christmas, so I've been using that.

Generally use the inverted method Cafe Bustelo. If not, something from a local roaster. Normally about 35% water, 35% brew, 30% cream/brown sugar mix (heated).

>>8522758
While you were incubating in your mother's basement, I served as an officer honorably in the military and the US I swore to defend is systematically being dismantled by a mouthbreathing neanderthal. So, yes, I will support any corporation like Starbucks that demonstrates they believe in true US values.

Im convinced one day that ill wake up and the news will be filled with headlines about how black coffee was bad for you and tasted shitty to everyone all along. Were already starting this phase with dark chocolate and beer, and we have almost eradicated the smoking meme. I hope people stop trying to eat stuff they don't actually like because the media tricked them into thinking it was cool.

>>8522854
grow up loser

>>8522827
>I served as an officer honorably in the military and the US I swore to
hey old prick you swore to obey orders of your Commander in Chief your rightfully elected president not some bozo CEO of Starbucks and not to dream up your own views
who you will support as a soldier that's why US Army is not so strong anymore because of traitors like you that should be court-martialed.
I bet Army kicked your ass out for being useless even to peel potatoes and now you are bitching about your Post-traumatic Stress Disorder and getting drunk or high on drugs
because you are too weak to deal with the reality and you are refusing to accept results of democratically elected president of the USA.

Shame on you old man.Go and have a cup of Starbuck's shitty coffee.
btw Starbuck's shares are doing very badly today and I hope they will fall to $1 level.
Fuck Starbucks coffee.

>>8522854
Current research suggests moderate coffee consumption to be marginally beneficial, but only if it's black. Add extracted sugars and/or fats and it becomes a net negative.

Some of us really do enjoy black coffee. Tastes change with age. I also enjoy Brussels sprouts by the pound. I eat them like popcorn.

What's this about dark chocolate?

>>8522854
>i don't like thing
>noone else likes it either
>everyone else must be pretending

What's it like being more autistic than randal?

I let my coffee brew with boiling water on a hot plate for 10 minutes. Whole milk and about two tablespoons of honey for 6 cups.

Nicaraguan with some light cocoa mixed in with the ::COFFEE::: and ::brown:: flavors. About to have a raison ice pot imported from indonesia. It reminds me of camel's signature blend frost, a bit.

Some cool blue flavor that had a surprisingly natural complimentary richness to the pleasant processing of the leaf.

Obama's flavored cigarette ban was a mistake, but Trump isn't cool enough to do anything about it.

captcha: click on trucks 5/5

When there are street riots I love to watch Starbucks stores being smashed up.That always brings smile to my face.
Shitty coffee made by shitty gay baristas.

Most coffee in the usa is overroasted.

>>8522733

I contacted their corporate head quarters today and told them I would be a loyal starbucks drinker for life if they follow through and that in the meantime they have earned much good will with me and the rest of non-xenophobic non-racist america (this is to say the part of america with money).

I fully plan to stop at starbucks a couple times a week from here on out.

>>8521688

I'm sure that is why they are both approved by the Specialty Coffee Association of America and are trusted by cuppers everywhere to do their daily brewing...

Fuck off shitlord.

>>8523585
from now on supporting Starbucks is being considered as being AntiAmerican

>>8522701

HAHAHAHHAHA

tfw you see out of work racist rednecks wishing they could work at starbucks with the refugees but they are too proud - so they take their liberal social safety net handout and supplemental nutritional assistance monies to walmart so they can still feed themselves.

You will be assimilated into modern society through economics on a long enough time scale. You can continue to glorify a redneck culture of failure and hatred - but its going to end poorly for you.

>>8523440

Did your mother not teach you to wipe your boots before going indoors?

>>8523601

You're gonna want to work on that grammar, Tex.

If the poor, stupid, racist people, that can't find jobs, want to boycott a place they weren't shopping at to begin with - I have a feeling that SBUX is gonna do just fine without you "patriots."

The people that will continue to shop there, the people that have money and have been shopping there, the people that support an equal playing field - because they don't need a rigged playing field to win at life... Those people are going to keep sbux chugging along just fine.

When you see the tips that us 1% are going to be dropping on these refugees you are going to wish they hadn't taken your job.

>>8523653
I just asked the questionWhat's your problem bro

>>8523585
Good suggestion. I'm sending an e-mail as soon as I'm done with this post explaining I haven't been a Starbucks customer but will be from now. A strong stand supporting true US values and the Constitution, is worth my financial support.

>>8523800
>since the founding of the US, supporting unconstitutional actions by a solipsistic megalomaniac is considered anti-american.

>>8522733
>>8523585
>>8523853
it's too bad they serve such shit coffee because I'd really like to support them now

>>8523871

>>8523853
Yeah.. I've been a caribou coffee fan for a while, but I'll be walking across the street to Starbucks now.

>>8523871
>unconstitutional

I will take US Title Code section 8 pls

>>8523889
I've so far enjoyed their black drip every time I've had it. The default Pike Place isn't great, but big city branches have daily stuff that's good.

>>8524033
>big city branches have daily stuff that's good

Yup.

Cletus out in the sticks doesn't know good coffee, so they don't have to bother.

>>8523595
>Specialty Coffee Association of MURICA
>where this is considered a classic italian coffee beverage

my sides LOL

>>8524093

What are you fucking talking about, shitlord?

>>8519616
>Ask a doctor, not 4chan
I'm asking here on 4chan because here on /ck/ there was bunch of very interesting convincing posts in this thread & in previous threads
with pictures and with links to very solid and factual articles on that topic,they were supported by scientific facts,
like scientifically proven & factually documented that toxic fertilizers and pesticides are sprayed on coffee bushes on coffee beans.

Also same level of documentation was posted on the topic of toxic molds present in coffee beans.
And third very shocking story was about cancer causing elements in the dark roast coffee beans due to the fact that the beans were roasted burned-charred
to the point that chemical reaction due to the heat was creating new form of very toxic scientifically acknowledged & proven carcinogens (substances capable of causing cancer in living tissue).
So they were covering mostly 3 problem ares with connection to possibility of getting cancer from drinking 'wrong' type of coffee.

And that 'wrong' type of coffee doesn't necessary has to be commercially grown using toxic fertilizers and pesticides coffee,
it could also be Organically grown coffee.
Great thing about Organic coffee (if was indeed) grown practicing all the rules applying to U.S.Department of Agriculture ORGANIC (USDA-O) and International Codes
that no toxic chemicals was used on it, but Organically grown coffee can also be a source of the cancer causing elements from the other two types of 'wrong' coffee beans.
Organic beans that have toxic mold growing on them & beans that were roasted burned-charred to the dark roast level.

Wrong thinking, because we drink coffee from Organically grown coffee beans that we are 100% OK & that we are sheltered from the possibility of getting cancer from 'wrong' coffee.
No that is wrong thinking, same as commercially grown coffee also Organically grown coffee can be damaging to our health if it has toxic molds or if we are drinking dark roast, or both.

BTW, I never suggested for people to stop drinking coffee,
I'm coffee drinker my self, drinking coffee every single day but I was presenting facts about different types of coffee
I was presenting scientific facts the there is un-healthy coffee grown with toxic chemicals and that there is Organic coffee
grown without toxic chemicals but that both of them can also be bad for your health if there is toxic mold growing on them
or of they are roasted to a dark charred roast.
Or if coffee is drunk on a empty stomach.

So just to be clear never in my posts I saId: DON'T DRINK COFFEE
I just give access to informations that there is a healthier way to drink and enjoy coffee
but your (Janitors and Mods) personal very strange approach was to delete my posts and to ban me for doing
nothing illegal according to 4chan Rules by posting this info here.

Your attitude is wrong here not mine.
So perhaps me making separate threads would solve this dispute, otherwise I will gather all saved evidences
and presented them to your Big Bosses.

What you say Mods?

CENSORSHIP & DICTATORIAL SHIP of Janitors & Mods on 4chan /ck/
OK last post on the topic and the rest I will take it with your Big Bosses, boys.

You know guys (including Janitors & Mods) we are all drinking coffee I guess most of us do,
and some of your family members drink coffee so instead of being Thankful for being given access to those
very valuable health and life saving informations that I was posting here you went crazy dense on this.

It's in your interest also to know those facts, it’s in interest of your Big Bosses who I'm sure some of them
drink coffee (some of them drink lot's of coffee) to know the health risks and what to do to still keep drinking
and enjoying coffee in a healthy smart way and live healthier lives benefiting from the very great
healthy substances that coffee possesses and not to ruin your live by not being aware of it
and drinking the 'wrong' unhealthy coffee.

Instead of Thanking me you are foolishly fighting with me and fighting with the truth about coffee presented to you.
….really....

>>8519935
>I'm poor and I'm always in a rush,
maybe the biggest problem is not your espresso machine to such a degree but the type of coffee beans you are using,
also the fact that you are using already grounded coffee is not a great start.
I would definitely experiment with switching coffee brand (maybe you already did that), if you need to stick (at least for now) buying grounded coffee
buy them from your local roasting house or freshly ground using internet coffee sellers with quick delivery time.
Also be aware of info in this post
>>8520204
in relation of drinking dark roast coffee (that is mostly used in espresso blends).
In order to avoid the possibility of getting cancer I would only use medium roasted coffee in my espresso machine.

To make my experiment with switching brands I would buy very good quality coffee,talk to the seller or I'm sure there will be experts here
(who hate me for exposing the health issues with drinking the 'wrong' coffee) & they can help you recommending different coffee choices
in medium roast suitable for espresso machines, making espresso is done and doesn't have to be the traditional dark roast beans.
Reason those (robusta mostly) beans were roasted to dark roast is because they are of lesser quality when comes to taste and flavor & they taste terrible if they were roasted to medium roast.
If you can not buy from your local roaster or from internet & you have to buy from big stores buy medium roast good-high quality 100%Arabica coffee,
not all Arabica beans are of good-high quality of course so chose wisely.

anon you mentioned that you are always >>8519970
>and I'm always in a rush when I wake up to go to uni,
I hope you had chance to read how destructive to your stomach is drinking coffee in the morning on an empty stomach,very bad for your health anon.

This is Why You Need to STOP Drinking Coffee on an Empty Stomach!
https://www.davidwolfe.com/stop-drinking-coffee-empty-stomach/

Coffee is fun-but drink it smart.

>>8524214
>>8524218
>>8524219
>>8524223


sperglord found a mobile device...

>>8519970
>I'm poor and I'm always in a rush when I wake up to go to uni, currently using some shit 100 euro espresso machine and buy already grinded coffee. my espresso comes out like shit, and I have to add 2 teaspoons of sugar to make it tolerable.
>is it worth investing in a french press or something else considering the facts stated above?
>>8524223
>maybe the biggest problem is not your espresso machine to such a degree but the type of coffee beans you are using,
>also the fact that you are using already grounded coffee is not a great start.

Are the Janitors and Mods of this thread need to be reported to their Big Bosses
for abusing their privileges and their powers?
Deleting perfectly legit posts by projecting their personal views is against 4chan rules.
Janitors and Mods in the past were removed from their duties after complains agains them reached higher levels of their Bosses.

Time to do some house cleaning I guess.
Boys you better slow down you drinking too much coffee too much caffeine is messing up with your reasonable
approach to posts here, you vere given this job and you vere told to Follow the Rules
but there is very solid evidence that you are abusing your positions by deleting absolutely appropriate posts
and you are braking 4chan Rules.

P.S.
Janitors and Mods
Complain against you will also cover the inappropriate illegal bans that you are imposing on posters who did not broke the 4chan Rules
but you are stretching and banding the Rules opposite what the 4chan Code is describing just to force your personal views.
That is not your job.
You are braking the Rules guys.

You ALL WILL BE REPORTED to your BIG Bosses for that.

>>8524253

You're breaking the rules because this is spam that you are repeating over and over again and no one cares about the content you are providing.

Please leave, or make your posts less frequently and in a more helpful manner.

MAny on this forum drink a light roast and there is no risk of cancer in drinking a city roast coffee.

>>8524282
>You're breaking the rules because this is spam
no anon it's not a spam it's a scientifically proven bunch of facts & opinions
same as people here arguing pro or against different types of coffee making methods or equipment same with presenting different views on coffee beans.

is FREE SPEACH DEAD ???????????

>>8524296

If its not spam then why is it getting crap slappe and banned by mods?

>because its fucking spam shitz

>>8524282
>MAny on this forum drink a light roast and there is no risk of cancer in drinking a city roast coffee.
yes many, but you have no idea how many MAny is
maybe 90% of people are drinking dark roast coffee maybe not.
so what's wrong with openly and honestly providing factual information

OK maybe you know about those health issues due to toxins present in coffee beans,
in both in commercially grown and in Organically grown.

As you noticed never I did said NOT TO DRINK COFFEE
I just shared info with others who same like me were honestly unaware of those health hazards associated with drinking the 'wrong' coffee

Are you suggesting is morally OK - not to inform people of those health issues so they can make informed educated decision.
REALLY ANON ???????

>>8524319
>its not spam then why is it getting crap slappe and banned by mods?
I tell you why.
Because those from coffee industry who like this to be hidden from public have influence over Janitors and Mods, that's why !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>8524329

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

See.. this is why its spam.. it's because you have lost all touch with reality.

>the powerful coffee lobby doesn't want the 7 people on /ck to know about hot temperature esophageal cancer

good bye again my old friend!

>>8524282
>and in a more helpful manner.
OK, but how can you present information of such caliber and importance,I don't understand your suggestion.

AGAIN...anon I never instigated people to STOP DRINKING COFFEE.
I drink coffee every day myself, I'n not enemy of coffee I'm friend of coffee
but as with many foods especially processed foods (and coffee is processed by roasting)
there are two types of the same food.

It could be grown and processed in a healthy way or in a un-healthy way.
And I think we as the consumers have the right to know those differences.

Perhaps coffee should have HEALTH WARNINGS same like cigarettes have so consumers are aware of possible health hazards.
I'm sure there are millions of coffee drinkers who are not aware of it.
And hiding that from them is dishonest business practice, and we have here those who like to hide that from others so they can
make money by selling product that is not healthy and I', sure they are aware of those problems
and I'm sure that they don't drink that toxically infused coffee but drink nice high quality Organically grown coffee
and sell their substandard coffee to unsuspecting consumers.

That's how it works my friends.
And most of you know that.

>>8524343
Or it is just a dedicated and/or retarded troll.

>>8524385
Almost certain its a shill considering he's literally spamming the same exact brand of coffee over and over

>>8524369
Anon, if you're being serious, please see a doctor.
You're having a mental breakdown.

What's the deal with the mormons? I missed the last few threads

>>8524343
>>the powerful coffee lobby doesn't want the 7 people on /ck to know
not 7 but 69 people-posters, and who knows how many hundreds of just readers who don't post.

again I'm asking why this conspiracy to hide the truth.
I'm not naming any coffee businesses and suggesting that because of that they should be avoided.
I'm just sharing general info scientifically proven to be correct so people can make informed decision.

I think in interest of every person is that the other people of the society are eating healthy so there is
no strain on the medical system and that the overall health of the society is bettered & not made worst by consuming toxic products,
isn't the obesity epidemic (and not only in the US) BUT NOW IN MEXICO AND IN MANY OTHER COUNTRIES
is destroying young population just because of wrong diet just because dishonest food producers-businessmen
are supplying toxic foods foods that are not healthy at all.

We all should care what is being dishonestly sold to us under false provision that this particular food is fun and healthy.
In this case we are talking about....coffee

>>8524398
>spamming the same exact brand of coffee over and over
I never suggested any particular brand of coffee - YOU ARE SPREADING LIES anon.

>>8521434

>>8524406
No I'm not having mental breakdown.
But you are acting exactly like the BIG TOBACCO Executives vere acting when for years they were hiding secrets that
smoking cigarettes causes cancer and later when confronted with scientific facts they were twisting and turning
(same as some of you are doing here now in respect to coffee)
telling people that smoking cigarettes was fun and even doctors were advertising for them,
but eventually smart people got the smoking bans implemented and Warnings Printed on packaging so nobody can say
'I was not aware of possibility that I can get cancer from smoking cigarettes'

I wonder how you would feel if in the future you get ill and doctor tells you that is connected to drinking or too much or 'wrong' coffee
or on empty stomach for years and now you are dying sloe painful death that could be avoided only if you switched and changed you coffee drinking habits.

Not stoping drinking coffee but changing things to drink in a smart way.

>>8524093
I remember when my sister and mom explained to me what a frappuchino was. We came to the conclusion that it was just a coffee milkshake.

>>8524469
There's no conspiracy.
You're just annoying and rude and have zero legitimate evidence to back up your claims.

I'm not going to take you seriously when you keep linking websites that sell anti-aging crystals and other new age homeopathic huckster shit.

>>8524488
http://sigildaily.com/

>>8524469
Your capitalization of words for emphasis suggests you don't have the mental faculties to shape context in such a way as to create emphasis. You can usually see this in people struggling with schizophrenia, meth addiction, etc.

While your claim that certain coffees contain carcinogens might be true, the way in which these carcinogens are applied, their volume, and processes has an affect on their potency as cancer causing agents. Charred meat is also a carcinogen, so is uv radiation, yet we have tolerances for these things due to evolution. I honestly doubt coffee is as bad for you as smoking, since we have been drinking the stuff for a really long time and have yet to find damage as extensive as the damage caused by smoking cigarettes.

>>8524511
>Your capitalization of words for emphasis suggests you don't have the mental faculties to shape context in such a way as to create emphasis

Why can't y'all just not feed the troll?

>>8524525
What troll?

>>8524488
>and rude
when was I rude - can you support your lie please and point to my rude post, please.

>>8524488
>and have zero legitimate evidence to back up your claims.
All the 4 areas that I was covering in respect to health hazards in relation to coffee are totally scientifically acknowledged that they do exist
and that they pose health hazards of getting ulcers or cancer.

I will list them for you to prove that you are spreading lies.

1.Commercially grown coffee is known to be sprayed with toxic fertilizers and pesticides. -(scientific fact).
2.Toxic molds can grow on both commercially and Organically grown coffee beans and can cause cancer when consumed. -(scientific fact).
3.Dark roasted burned-charred coffee beans are proven in many scientific labs World over that they create carcinogens that are causing cancer. -(scientific fact).
4.Drinking coffee on an empty stomach was proven by doctors and scientists that it cause ulcers and can cause cancer
because coffee is acidic and empty stomach can not deal with hot acid introduced to it on regular basis it'a inner lining will eventually get destroyed
and ulcer or cancerous cell will start to grow there. -(scientific fact).

There in nothing that I'm talking about is my opinion, those are 100% SOLID SCIENTIFIC FACTS, anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PcoMrwEa5o

>>8524511
>Charred meat is also a carcinogen, so is uv radiation, yet we have tolerances for these things due to evolution.
you must have no brain inside your scull to think that.
All doctors and food scientists will tell you that burned meat burned charred food is carcinogenic,
you see you are the one who is spreading false info, not me.


>I honestly doubt coffee is as bad for you as smoking, since we have been drinking the stuff for a really long time and have yet to find damage as extensive as the damage caused by smoking cigarettes.
re: cigarettes take a look at this post
>>8524469
>No I'm not having mental breakdown.
>But you are acting exactly like the BIG TOBACCO Executives vere acting when for years they were hiding secrets that smoking cigarettes causes cancer

>>8524511
>Your capitalization of words
why you are so delicate like a snowflake when comes to few CAPITALIZED WORDS HERE AND THERE.
what's your objection to them, who programed you to be so triggered by CAPITAL LETTERS?
very strange reaction!

>>8524511
>While your claim that certain coffees contain carcinogens might be true,
finally coming slowly to acknowledging that there is a problem, (problem hidden from average coffee consumer)

BTW, you can grow nice coffee plant inside as you can see in attached photo.

>>8524601
>BTW, you can grow nice coffee plant inside as you can see in attached photo.

>>8524369
>It could be grown and processed in a healthy way or in a un-healthy way.
>And I think we as the consumers have the right to know those differences.
Explain how some coffee is toxic.

>>8524214
>>8524543
>>8524609
>Explain how some coffee is toxic.
in short version most of the info is here,

if you like to read more detailed versions you can read it here in this thread:
>>8496980
(I hope the link will work)

Anyone else roasting consistently by ear alone?

>>8524645

PEER REVIEW MOTHERFUCKER: CAN YOU POST IT?!

>>8524629
some of the posts that might help you to understand that topic.
>>8496987
>>8498781
>>8500323
>>8501432
>>8503189
>>8503287
>>8504571
>>8504605
*
>>8504963
>>8505778
>>8505826
**
8510052

That tells the story in a very honest objective way.
I'm not enemy of coffee I Love drinking coffee, coffee has very beneficial 'goodies' in it, fantastic coffee oils,caffeine - they are good for us.(in moderation of course)
I drink coffee every day but I like to know truth about the quality and safety of the coffee that I'm pouring in my body.

>>8524629
Virtually all grains and produce can be contaminated with mycotoxins. This is why first world countries rigorously test for various mycotoxins and have stringent limits.

The stomach isn't able to deal with acid? Really?

Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are present in all burnt or overcooked foods and are by no means limited to coffee.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691509000271
>The results indicate that coffee contributes with very insignificant quantities to the daily human intake of carcinogenic PAHs
.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0023643812003519
>PAHs summed levels ranged from 0.015 to 0.105 μg/L (C. arabica brews) and 0.011 to 0.111 μg/L (C. canephora brews). The difference among the levels detected in different roasting degrees was not statistically significant, except between dark and roasted filtered brews.

So PAHs in coffee are negligible. Don't breathe air if you are scared of those exposure values.

>>8524487
>buying pre-ground coffee

>>8524677
>8510052
>>8510052
that link should be OK now

>>8524679
It's ruined after half a day :(

>>8524679
I don't care. I like it.

Coffee can not only give you pleasure from drinking but also as a household plant.
The coffee plant is a low-maintenance tropical that requires no more than a rich potting soil dense in organic matter and a regular watering regimen.

"How to Grow Coffee Plant"
https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/houseplants/coffee/growing-coffee-plants-indoors.htm


Did you know that the same plant that grows coffee beans also makes a great houseplant?
Considered to be among the easiest and hardiest of houseplants, coffee plant is great for both experienced or beginner gardeners.
Not only is coffee plant care easy, but the plant itself is lovely and makes a wonderful addition to the home.

I'm going to try to grow one from the coffee bean.
I have some lemons and limes that are growing from the seed, now some of them are like 4-6 feet tall,
and one small 3 feet tall lemon bush/tree give this year give 11 so very tasty fragrant fruits but it's growing outside.

Look at this beautiful blooming coffee plant, I think it has nice smell as well.
I think for real coffee Lovers having one or few coffee plants growing indoor is very proper thing to have.

>>8524741
Can I grow coffee in dirt mixed with used coffee grounds?
It would make a nice full circle.
Too bad it takes at least 5 years for it to start fruiting.

Coffee arabica, widely regarded as the best species of the coffee producing coffee shrub, is fairly easy to grow as a house plant or in a container garden.

"Growing Coffee Indoors"
http://plantozoid.com/growing-coffee-indoors/

>>8524759
>Can I grow coffee in dirt mixed with used coffee grounds?
I think why not since coffee grounds are widely used in gardening, I'm going to do more reading on it.
I like the idea of growing indoor coffee plant or two, especially straight from the bean

PURE COFFEE BUEATY
great for a picture print on the wall

>>8524779
I wonder if the coffee flowers if dried and smoked would give any high/buzz?
Some flowers do, I smoked dried up rose peddles and few other flowers, they give some high, (not the type pot is)
but very interesting mild some sweet pleasant but short buzz.

for those who like to explore smoking coffee flowers (and other flowers) here is interesting link:
http://www.ibiblio.org/london/alternative-healthcare/herbal-references/general/2/Herbal.Smoking.Mixtures

And here is example of a coffee grower who has much LOVE for the coffee they grow. (I hope it's Organic)
(picture related-Venezuela, coffee plantation)

Daily reminder that I love dark roasts. They're so robust!

>>8524645
>by ear alone?
don't you think has to be by ear and by eye, I think by ear alone would be very difficult

>>8524823
>They're so robust!
even if they are 100%Arabica

My setup

Pulling shots of a natural Ethiopia Adola. Very fruity espresso, some of the natural coffee funkiness, overall very pleasant.

>>8524586
You are so stuck up your own ass you only hear what you want to hear.

Am I ruining my coffee with cream and sweetener? Is it worth trying different kinds of coffee?

I currently drink the coffee pictured. I take about two tablespoons and put that in my moka pot. When it's done I add about 3-4 tablespoons of some sugar free creamer and about 1-1/2 packets of sweetener. Is this similar to eating a well done steak, i.e. it doesnt matter what cut of meat you get because a well done steak ruins the flavor that particular cut might have? I've tried other kinds of coffee, and I realize that dark roasts aren't my thing, but I'm open to just about anything. Any recommendations?

I drank two mugs of coffee and fapped like 5 times today. I also had nothing to eat until 7 pm.

Felt like shit. Is there a chemical reaction when you drink coffee and fap?

Sorry for poor english.

>>8511649
>hating anime on 4chan
newfag detected! Everyone point and laugh!

I'm new to coffee. I have a nespresso machine. Can I somehow get coffee out of it instead of the tiny bit of espresso?

>>8526105
You can make coffee simply by dumping ground coffee into boiling water and sifting it out after 3 minutes. A french press just streamlines the process. You don't need a fancy machine.

>>8526083
Whenever I've fapped 5 times in a single day, I felt completely sapped of energy no matter if I ate or not.

>>8525793
are you making meth?

>>8526245
Basically. Breaking Beans over here.

>>8511452
Yes. Water goes straight through the grounds instead of steeping

>>8511649

>>8526105
Mix your "espresso" with water to get americano. It will have less caffeine than drip brew.

>>8526221
>boiling
That makes it bitter.

>>8525793
Finally some dignity in here!

Who herr /autism/?

>>8526967
Pictured is a Colombian Amparo Botina and a Cascara (Dried Coffee Cherry) tea.

Forgot to add my grinder

>>8526967
Not bad, but I think I outautism you. I posted my espresso stuff already, I'll have to make another pic for brew.

>>8526980
Gibs pls

>>8526986
Well grinder aint moving, so I'll post it with the roaster separate then throw the rest of the shit on a table.

My espresso setup is
>>8525793

Also thinking of brewing the coffee with the cascara tea... would be interesting

>>8526998
Fucking nice... rocky grinder? And what kind of espresso machine is that

What do you think of torrefacto?

>>8526998
Also how is the scale, the acacia? Is it great for consistency in your pours and espresso pulls?

>>8527008
Ew never a big fan of the process, covers up alot of the fruity flavors of the coffee. Ends up tasting like darker richer flavors, which is goof for certain coffees but not like an Ethiopian or Colombia or Panama?

>>8527006
That's a bunnzilla grinder and a roastbee roaster in that picture, an eg-1 grinder and ct1 espresso machine in the other.

>>8527012
Great! The autostarting timer is a big help. And it's the only one that fucking fits under the ct1 group.

I've attached the brew stuff pic, with at least one more coming

>>8526998
Just finished brewing. Still tinkering my grinder since its new. My usual ratio is 16:1, so i use 20g coffee to 320g water.

I usually aim for around a brew time of 2:30, but i just brewed right now at a time of 2:05. So its either grind size or technique

>>8527036
Lido 3. My fucking nigger. I just got my Lido E-T, so the fine threading option is giving me a bit of trouble dialing in the grind size I want.

The coffee I got should taste like lime, plums, maple, and raspberry. But i'm only getting the citrus and tart notes. So ill have to take in account brew time and grind size. Water is another issue, since i use a concentration that I dilute with RO water. Im about to reee

And last one, vintage machines

>>8527071
They give good shots?

>>8527082
The Caravel is amazing. The other two are a bit finnicky, but can make delicious espresso.

>>8516404
gg, f

>>8527085
How many turns do you have for the setting on your lido for pour over? Whats your recipe?

>>8527100
I only very rarely use the Lido anymore. Basically just for travel. Bunnzilla for brew and EG-1 for shots. I somewhat recall the number 12 for notches.

>>8527105
Im betting you modded that bunn

>>8527125
Yep. Bunnzilla is a Bunn with Ditting 804 burrs.

They're actually very good even stock if you get it new. I got mine used for like $200 and threw the Ditting burrs in myself.

>>8510063
i drink instant coffee and i love it
u faggots mad?

>>8527131
That burr set is conparable to the Ek43 and any mahlkoenig... fuck.

>>8527138
We pity you

>>8510485
I dont even watch anime but I like cute anime grills. Whats the issue?

Can someone tell me why the fuck my coffee press always gets moldy? Also is it bad for me?

>>8528722
Because you leave wet stuff in it?

>>8527138
being from the UK this is how about 90% of coffee is drank. I didn't think I liked coffee when I was a kid but after getting a cafetiere and drinking actual coffee I realised it's nice.

What's the best bagged coffee?

>>8524750
>>8524741
Do you know how to control the soil/heat for taste? Even if it's hardy I'd rather not grow a plant for five years and find out it tastes shit roasted

>>8528722

Have you tried drying it with a paper towel or something after you've cleaned it out? Moisture can cause serious problems if left untreated

Cringeworthy OP bit it's worth a bump with all the shitposting going on

newfriend here
how long do you spend making coffee before work each morning

>>8531712

I pop a caffeine pill

I bought a kettle, french press, moka pot, coffee jar, coffee grinder and coffee beans all from ikea~

The beans are much better than I expected for $4.