/ck/ - Food & Cooking

Do bartenders make minimum wage because they get a lot more tips than wait staff yet nobody seems to complain about that.

Also do these faggots really expect a 20% fucking tip on a slice of cheesecake that costs $8?

Bitch I see the fucking sysco truck, how much did the cheesecake cost you? Three bucks for the whole deal, get like 10 slices of that shit for 8 a pop, making money hand over fist. You want me to pay for half a fucking cake in TIPS just because some mexican took it out of the fridge, and you brought it to me on a plate? Fuck yourself.

Half these shitty middling restaurants like Olive Garden, Macaroni Grille, Outback Steakhouse, etc. get all their shit from Sysco and charge you out the nose for $0.60 of pasta and a sneeze of Parmesan. Tipping you nothing is closer to what it cost for this bland dogshit regardless of how much you can remember my name.

>watch waitstaff because cup is always empty
>on phone fucking around while standing in the corner
>this retard wants extra money for touching my food

enjoy, cuck

>>8443614
To be fair bartenders actually learn a skill, waitstaff just learn to put up with customers. Which, not knocking cause I work in CS myself. but Mixology it aint.

>>8443635
>pouring things into cups is a skill

I mean, you can rationalize it any way you want to.

But you're an asshole.

Can confirm worked at Olive Garden. Only reason I tip is so they don't spit in my food.

I tip (or don't) because I'm a better judge on how i was served than some manager.

>>8443624
You understand that the restaurant has more overheads than just taking a cheese cake out of a truck and putting it on your plate right?

>>8443624
>Olive Garden, Macaroni Grille, Outback Steakhouse

this has to be bait. Are you actually so retarded that you pay to eat at those places? The only reason I would EVER even set foot in any of those places is if someone gave me a gift card, and even then I would probably spend it all at the bar.

You can't complain about the level of service provided by restaurants that are basically McDonald's + waitstaff. The bad service you're enduring is self-inflicted.

#micdrop

>>8443672
Bait

>>8443672
>pouring things into cups is all that bartenders do

there's obviously more to bartending than that, fat fuck. memorizing recipes, learning how to properly mix ingredients, and being able to mix a drink quickly enough to keep assholes satisfied all requires skill.

That said, if your bartender is expecting a tip for popping the top off your Miller Lite, then you deserve to be shamed into paying them that tip because you're a dumbass for asking someone to do that for you. Order a draft or a cocktail. Otherwise, shut the fuck up and sit ALL THE WAY down.

Either make the waitstaff earn their tips, or don't go to places where tips are expected. It's literally that simple.

>>8443734
>#micdrop

that baited me

I work as a prep-cook in a diner and I commend you, my friend. Honestly, fuck these fucking stupid lazy cunts that I have to work with that feel as though their time is more precious than anyone fucking else because they have to "run around all day" and then stand in the back and chug down freebies from the soda-fountain.

Fucking hate those miserable cows and I never hold back keks when they bitch about a shitty/nonexistent tip.

>>8443600
Not an american but spent a lot of time there, I never tipped, I figured with me accent they'd just figure I was fresh off the plane.

The whole tipping system is pretty retarded. I feel like it's main merit was to force people into mental arithmetic, but smartphones have killed that. To be fair, customer service is marginally better in the US than in my home country, but I personally prefer curt wait-staff.
>Thanks for the sandwich but I'm not your friend, now fuck off and leave me to it.

>>8443821
Does Americans chatting with strangers really throw off euros or is that bullshit?

>>8443833
Not euro but the American tendency to strike up conversation with strangers is generally seen as odd though endearing.

>am waiter
>only people who dont tip are black people, young teenagers, and the sort of greasy beta nerds you see in cringe threads
>come on 4chan
>tons of threads with hundreds of replies of people bragging about how they dont tip

spot the nigger/child/sperg

Think of all the jobs out there where people have to bust ass for the customer and they don't even get a single fucking tip.

People who reacted like that in OP's story are fucking retards who've fallen into society's trap of sucking more money out of us.

Tipping is bullshit and should only exist in rare occasions where something goes above and beyond to satisfy you.

>>8443600
>let people know
>conversation at work
>working in some fuckin normie tier houghton mifflin office
Your first three mistakes.

>>8443600
>DUDE I USED TO BE A WAITER
I used to be a dishwasher and never saw a fucking cent of tips, so you can suck my goddamn cock.

>>8443712
But youve already eaten. Who could they spit.

>tfw I tip, but ex-waitstaff friends and relatives try and tell me I have to tip 20%

It's 15%, it will always be 15%, if you want more then you better be approximately 33% better at your job to warrant such a large tip

>>8444244
well it's actually 25% now :^)

>>8444250
I actually wouldn't be surprised if that was the meme they're pushing now

>>8444244
I tip 10% for EZPZ math

>>8444253
They do

A few pizza and chinese places I know always include an option to tip on their receipts. No one brings me food past the counter. I feel like this is just a ploy to get extra money out of me, but I don't feel bad for always crossing out that line when I sign.

Something I despise, though, is ambush charity at a cashier. "Would you like to donate $1 for our company's sponsored charity?" Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Your public shaming has no effect on a fucking weirdo like me.

I worked as a KP when I was younger I never got any of the tip money so I say fuck it and never tipped anyone after that...

>>8443600
Made 140 bucks tonight from tips.
Good luck with whatever it is you do.

>>8444269
This.
>work FOH at fine dining place
>somewhat regularly make 400+ a night in tips
>laugh at BOH who makes a third of what i make despite working four or five hours longer

>tipping

Do Americans really do that?

>>8444260
The ones that ask to round up to the nearest dollar get me. At least when Im paying in cash.

>>8444295
Yeah, 3rd world problems

>>8443672
>pouring hundreds of different things into a cup well enough to convince people to give you free money for doing it isn't a skill

>>8444244
>>8444256
>live in a place where VAT is 15%
>tip 15% on bills that come with a receipt so I can just copy the VAT
>tip the whole number closet to 10% when it doesn't have a price breakdown
ez

>>8443821
no the point of tips is to give the waitstaff a reason to be nice to customers because most of them hate you as much as you hate them

>>8444257
Can confirm. Two out of my three waitstaff friends all insist that 25% is the norm. The third says "More than 20%." Not around; more.

>>8443600
You will be visited by 3 ghosts one day.

Honestly, not tipping is faggotry.

it's only like an extra couple of bucks

>>8444408
My tipping rules:
Shitty service: no tip/dick ass write in
Meh service: round up so I get neater change
Good service: 10% or so
Great service: 20% or so

>>8444411
what would you consider shitty aervice?

>WAITERS ONLY MAKE 2$ AN HOUR WE MAKE NO MONEY PLEASE TIP WE RELY ON IT DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE

Is said by the same asshole that brags about the hundreds of dollars he/she made in tips last night. Waiters are fucking cancer and you'll know when our country has finally improved when our economy isn't entirely built around the service industry.

>>8443751
I tip a dollar to the bartender for any drink they get me all night. Doesn't matter if I'm swilling 1 dollar natty lights that night, or having them make frozen drinks for my girl. The end result is that at the bars I go to, they know me, pour my drinks stronger, offer me samples of anything new that comes in, give me priority over other patrons, and at my favorite bar, always invite me for any after party. Over the years it';s let me have a ton of influence over everything from what live acts they book, and what drink specials they offer.

I don't even really care about all that shit though. It's just good to take care of the people that take care of you. You should buy a round once in awhile when the bar's a little quiet and it's mostly regulars, as well. It creates a friendlier environment where other will do the same. You get back what you put out into the world. Be a bro and feed the jukebox once in awhile too.

Of course, I'm often described as a high functioning alcoholic, but all 3 of my regular bars have regulars that go out of their way to say hi when I walk in, and my preferred drink at each bar is poured before I've even sat down.

>>8444413

-rude waitstaff
-waiting over 30 minutes, or 45 if it's really busy/ in a party of 6+ people
-wrong order
-again, rude waitstaff

>from burgerland
>living abroad
>working FoH
>tipping is a thing where I work for some reason
>get between $22-$26 wage
>tips are pooled together

I don't really give a shit if people don't tip desu. I would rather keep my own tips because some of the other staff don't really pull their weight, but whatever it's extra cash.

Funny thing is the people who look like they would tip are the cheapest while those dressed inconspicuous tend to tip the most.

>>8444537
that's because chill motherfuckers are awesome, and peacocks spend all of their money on trends trying to impress people. The best regular tipper I ever had was a guy that looked like the Dude, and usually ate alone. After awhile I found out he's some kind of software magnate that could probably buy the place outright without stressing at all. Even when he was entertaining a client he never wore anything more impressive than a polo shirt and the same military issue jacket he always wore.

mods pls delet

I tip when it's deserved.

>>8444333
We dont even have a vat tax in the US.

>>8444603
Pretend i didnt add tax to the end of that.

>>8444603
Sales tax, for all practical purposes is the same thing.

>>8444613
most states in the US have an exemption on sales tax for food. This includes restaurants. Here in ohio any carbonated beverage qualifies for a sales tax, and any dine-in meal is fully taxed. It varies wildly by state. Some municipalities also add a tax that usually has no exemptions.

Fuck waiters and the service staff
they deserve not one fucking penny and if i had a choice i would make their wages 1$ an hour.

it's the most basic job there is in the world yet they just can't stop whining and complaining about the tiniest shit when they in reality don't do shit.

just go to any kitchen in the world and look at both the waiters and chefs, the chefs literally never stop working from the first second they get into the kitchen and until they're done after 4 hours of overtime and that's the norm, meanwhile the waiters just stand around chatting or half-assedly clean the glasses and forks while gossiping the whole entire day until they get an order to deliver in which they deliver it 10 minutes later when it's already cold and stale.

Anyone who actually worked in the kitchen will see how much of spoiled bitches the service really are, but of course society only believe the one who cries the loudest.

Here's the only tip I give and it's reserved for beautiful ladies.

>>8444660
My kitchen staff gets a cut of the tips. The ones that are reported anyways. Our FoH manager used to be kitchen staff, and I've seen him fire waitstaff for not pooling the tips, so I'm pretty comfortable with it all. Maybe you need a policy change?

>>8444674
>pooling the tips
we fight against communism in 'murica.

>>8444691
Only 48% of you

>>8443624
> Olive Garden, Macaroni Grille, Outback Steakhouse
why would you even eat there?

>>8444699
is it that low? Damn, we need a new Joe McCarthy.

>>8444713
depends on who you believe about the popular vote. But shit man. I make the food. I deal with all the nipicky shit a customer might want. Most of the waitstaff is pretty appreciatie that I churn out good food. They're mostly content with the policy. I suppose it would be different if we weren't a from scratch kitchen. Like back when I started out working short order, and half of what we made was pre-portioned that morning, and was just getting reheated, yeah, I wouldn't expect any consideration

as a rule i dont tip, they get paid to do a job, its not my responsibility to make sure they earn a living wage.

However, i can "pay" for special treatment.
At my regular restaurant im on a first name basis with most of the waitstaff and chefs because of tipping. I allways get the best bits and get served before others, they allways give me food to take home for lunch at work the next day.

>>8443600
show them this

i remember working as a server in college and i refused to get a normal minimum wage job because i would straight up make less money. anyone who actually believes servers make shit money is an idiot and a cuck who believes anything they are told

>>8444622
>>8444603
I live in Canada, people still tip here because of autism

>>8444899
Have you ever tried subsisting on minimum wage. I's a bitch.

>>8444917
Im not sure how much a job a literal retard can do is worth. But its not a lot.

>>8444931
Faggot fascist oppressor.

>>8444917
no because i am not a high school dropout

an actual monkey could be a server if there was a big enough hair net

>>8444444

>>8444934
>an actual monkey could be a server if there was a big enough hair net
Even the largest monkeys are only as large as a smallish woman (120lbs)

Maybe you mean apes

>>8444931
>>8444934
At some point, most people mature enough that they can give a shit about their fellow man. Hopefully you get there some day. I'm cheering for you.

>>8444943
>At some point, most people mature enough that they can give a shit about their fellow man.

nice strawman you got there friendo, maybe instead of getting made at your customers you should spend that energy getting your employer to give you a decent wage, find another job, or go get your GED then learn a trade.

>>8444948
I'm a software developer in a 2 income household with no children. I haven't spoken to one of my customers in over 12 years. Frankly, it's likely that I am so open to tipping because I have disposable income.

>>8444289
Liar. What do you do? serve on this guy and his friends on a regular?

>>8444289
And what do you have to show for it?
>every waiter I ever knew always makes more money than everyone else

>every waiter I ever knew paid the lowest rent for a giant apartment

>>8444957
you realize by tipping you are actively keeping a system in place that fucks over everyone except for the people who are making the most money on it because they dont have to pay their employees a fair wage right?

you tipping does more harm than good, everyone were to stop the system would change within 6 months, probably less

>>8444994
>fair wage
low bait Buzzwords

tipping exists because the best person to quantify the service they have received is the customer (ie me).

>live in Seattle
>minimum wage on its way to $15/hr
>some restaurants remove tipping and factor the cost increase into slightly higher prices
>people flip shit

The only way this would be more expensive is if you didn't tip in the first place. Retards.

I tip everywhere but anywhere I frequent I tip more. My barber gets 30%, the coffee shop near me gets 25% and I always tip a couple bucks at my takeout places even though there's been no service. I get a lot of benefits from the places that remember me and yeah, I'm paying for it, but it's not something offered to every customer.

>>8445004
>tipping exists because the best person to quantify the service they have received is the customer (ie me).

not really, tipping is mostly random or predetermined by the customer

also
>fair wage is a buzzword
are you saying that the concept of an employer paying their employee a wage that they can actually support themselves on or at least be consistent is a buzzword? you are pretty fucking stupid man

>>8444994
Until the wage system is repaired, I'm not going to fuck over the people that take care of me. How likely is it that everyone is going to just stop tipping? Hell, even in countries where tipping isn't a thing, it's becoming more prevalent. Your argument on a practical level comes out to saying to a server, "Look, I know you have kids to feed right now. Today. Bills to pay, a life to live. But I'm not tipping you for your own good." It's a stupid argument. If you want to campaign for wage reform, cool, I'm with you. it's a great idea. But people still have bills to pay in the meantime. If you live in a country where tipping is part of the wages, then just assume it's part of the price of going out, and pay it.

>>8445016
>not really, tipping is mostly random or predetermined by the customer
Good, the customer should choose base on the service he has been provided.

>are you saying that the concept of an employer paying their employee a wage that they can actually support themselves on or at least be consistent is a buzzword? you are pretty fucking stupid man

Are you saying a compulsive minimum wage is fair when enforced only with men with guns (ie the government). Men with guns and force are fair. OK stupid man.

What IS fair is what is negotiated between two individuals. Aka the employee and employer. Only stupid people agree to a unfair contract. I'm guessing that's why you need men with guns to help you out of poor life decisions.

>>8445024
I remember when I used to read Rand, too.

>>8445028
that's good. What convinced you to become an authoritarian?

>>8445034
Different guy than >>8445016
And nothing. I'm for tipping. I think it's a great reward system for good service. My best bro's wife makes a great living as a server.

I gt away from Rand because like any philosophy Objectivism has holes. It's certainly part of my philosophy, but I find that her ardent followers completely miss the parts about voluntary altruism. Frankly the world around me is a better place when I contribute to the welfare of those around me.

>>8443635
>Going from A to B with drinks
>Skill

Pick one

>>8445028
I remember when I was a government addict, too. Then I graduated high school.

>he's such a brainlet he needs coercion to help him make life choices

>>8443896
You, only a nigger would expect to be given free things

>>8445046
Bartenders do more than that, and you would know it if you frequented bars. They make and deliver drinks, sure. They also create new drinks, offer recommendations for the picky fucker that doesn't know what he wants, end up acting as a psychologist for people trying to drown their sorrows, and the better ones do what they can to make sure everyone is having a good time. They are Psychologist, Pharmacist, and Entertainer. I tip my bartenders far better than I tip waitstaff.

>>8445049
please see >>8445044

Bitch, I'm working on a self sustaining homestead specifically because I hate a government telling me what to do with my life. The goal is to stop contributing to the government by getting my tax burden down to just a property tax. You don't know me.

>>8443833
I don't mind, but I despise faked excessive friendliness for financial gain. I expect some hospitality in restaurant but I am definitely not interested in small talk or stupid complimentary bullshit unless you actually mean it, and I can tell.

Americans making conversation with strangers in general is pretty nice though.

>>8445091
I've only been to English speaking countries outside of the US. Australia, New Zealand, Bongland, and South Africa, but in each of those places, if I was sitting at the bar, locals went out of their way to chat me up as soon as they heard my accent. Is it really abnormal for people to socialize? I've never seen it.

>>8445020
>Until the wage system is repaired, I'm not going to fuck over the people that take care of me
that way of thinking is causing the system to not be repaired though, your doing more harm than good

>>8445141
Maybe in the long run, but as I stated, one must deal in realities. People gotta eat. I've signed the change.org petition, which isn't much, but probably far above what anyone refusing to tip, thinking that their completely unobservable by anyone in power microprotest has done.

>>8445155
>People gotta eat.
which is why the law exists that they have to make at least minimum wage or the employer has to make up the difference you moron. you enabling employers to fuck over their servers is whats causing the problem. you are actively preventing the change you want from happening. you are a detriment to fight on giving employees fair wages. you act as if you are helping people but all you are doing is allowing them to be fucked over. that entire mind set is idiotic and you know it

>>8444408
>it's only like an extra couple of bucks

If it isn't necessary then is shouldn't be done.

If it has to be done then it should be compulsory legally.

Tipping is neither of those things and and cannot be justified in anyway.

I'd fire any wait staff that couldn't make it on their tips without me having to supplement it to reach minimum wage. Obviously, they are not good at their job if they can't get tips.

>>8445173
And as I've pointed out, people can't live on minimum wage. If they are on minimum wage, they are getting another handout from the government. I would rather tip for good service so I at least know that they are working for it. Tips are claimed as income, and can push them over the assistance limit. And as I nearly always pay using a card, there is a record of the transaction, so I know it is getting claimed.

>>8445120
It isn't the norm in Europe (this seems to be the trend in the dozen or so countries I've visited) but not uncommon, especially younger people will occasionally chat with you. Americans and to a lesser extent brits seem to go out of their way to socialise though. I personally don't mind because I'm a fairly open person and with a few drinks in me I do the same. However I can see a more closed person not enjoying that, seeing as it isn't the norm.

Setting is also very important, when staying in a hostel or something it's very easy to chat with others. When on a tour group or sightseeing not so much.

You also need to realise that not everyones English is perfect and a lot of people find it embarrassing that they can't speak it fluently. You also don't really know if the person you're talking to is going to understand you.

Like I said it's not uncommon to socialize, but the way Americans tend to do it is a lot different and IMO less subtle.

>>8445192
man you are so dense that there is actually no point in arguing with you. you literally just agreed it would work and now you want to flip flop because it would cause people to have to find new jobs for a bit even though it would benefit everyone greatly at the end of it all. you are so logically inconsistent its actually amazing. well do what you want i guess, i dont work as a server so it doesnt effect me and im not going to start tipping now. keep on enabling employers to fuck over their employees though im sure a hand out from you is just a million times better

>>8445192
>Tips are claimed as income
Nobody ever actually claims tips on their income.

>>8445252
No shit, Mr. Obvious.

>>8445192
I bet you think everyone gets the same amount of tips every day. A single bad week can literally ruin you and there is pretty much no way to predict when bad weeks will happen. You are so out of touch with how serving actually works. Consistency is infinitely more important than the actual amount of money made and the current system is the exact opposite of consistent.

>>8445252
They don't have a choice if it's on a card. It's in the POS as earned income. I actually write POS software for a living, so I can speak with some authority on this.

Look, I get that y'all don't want to tip. I get that there is an argument to abandon tipping completely. I've also been to many countries where tipping s not the norm, and service is almost universally shitty. Yeah, that's a management problem, but as managers don't get paid for a shit either, no one really cares.

There are tons of arguments on both sides of the issue. It's not going to change due to your brokeass little protest.

>>8443600
You make laugh. This is why I don't eat out really. This and I don't like being alone

>>8445273
>They don't have a choice if it's on a card. It's in the POS as earned income.
that is incorrect, i know because i am a server and it doesnt work that way. we have to enter in what we made in tips that night at the end of the shift when we clock out. everyone just enters in the bare minimum to get over the minimum wage so our pay checks are slightly bigger

you have no idea what you are talking about

>>8445273
>All POS are the same.

Idiot.

>>8445271
So, how would you propose good performance be rewarded in a customer facing role? I know that all of the sales reps in my company get a commission on sales. As a partner level employee, I actually get the same bonus that they earn.

If everyone is going to make the same wage regardless of how they interact with a customer, where is the incentive to provide anything beyond the bare minimum level of service?

I'm not even trying to argue here. I want to hear your theories on it.

>>8445279
>servers dodge paying their fair share of taxes
Why are servers always the scum of the earth? Is it the career position or is the mindset of the people that go into that career?

>>8445279
On credit card transactions? I don't believe you. Mainly because I've written a ton of code for several companies to handle just this. it's an industry standard.

>>8445284
>So, how would you propose good performance be rewarded in a customer facing role?
Pay employees a flat wage and if they don't perform well they get fired. You know, like how literally everything else works. You shouldn't need to be rewarded for doing a good job to get payed. You should be doing your job well from the start because you are being payed.

>>8445290
yes, even on credit card transactions

>>8445297
You must be working on a seriously podunk POS.

Even the 5 man startup I worked for dealt with credit tips as part of payroll.

>>8445290
>it's an industry standard.
But it is not. I have worked in numerous different restaurant and the only place that I have worked in that did it like that was Olive Garden.

>>8445292
>Pay employees a flat wage and if they don't perform well they get fired.
How do you measure how well someone is doing? What metrics? Customer service cards at the end of a meal?

>tipping
never understood this meme desu

>>8445306
The same way a regular boss does it. Do you think construction workers get tipped? hurr

>>8445306
>How do you measure how well someone is doing? What metrics? Customer service cards at the end of a meal?

Holy fuck you are stupid. Did a customer complain? No? Then they are doing a good enough job. Are you losing business? No? Then things are good.

>>8445292
That's not how customer facing roles work. Even retail positions tend to incentivize in some manner. Usually in the form of spiffs. If you are the person selling the product to the customer, your employer is better served offering an incentive, rather than micromanaging. I agree, putting it all on the customer is not the best model, but the other freemarket solution is employee incentives. Sharing a portion of your profits with good employees is how you retain good employees.

>>8445306
how does your boss know you are doing a good job?

>>8445314
Construction workers get bonuses for completing work ahead of schedule. So, yes. Hell, even government contracts for roadwork are written to reward a project coming in under time, and under budget.

>>8445321
>Even retail positions tend to incentivize in some manner.
this is also untrue, at high level sales yes that happens but regular people working at walmart or target do no get incentivised

can you please stop talking about things you clearly know nothing about?

>>8445306
>>>8445292
>>Pay employees a flat wage and if they don't perform well they get fired.
>How do you measure how well someone is doing? What metrics? Customer service cards at the end of a meal?
In the meantime, you have 1-2 weeks of customers who will NEVER return to your restaurant again, and affect another 1000 people. So, you'll soon close.

A waiter who made a proverbial $0 in tips a couple of a days is gone already for their next job, both from anger at being stiffed, and for wasting his time and not getting enough per hour. It's a problem that ultimately always ensures a tipped server hustles for happiness in a diner.

Making money no matter your quality of work = all the problems with communism.

>>8445328
>rushing a job is the same as doing a good one
yes, excellent metric, obviously a diligent boss can just sleep at home all day because all he needs to know is how fast the job is done

>>8445314
>>8445316
They are paid by the project schedule, stupid. Has a level of work been achieved. Today a room is painted..at the end of the day if the room isn't painted then the manager knows the work wasn't performed.

>>8445316
>Measured by complaints.
so a customer service card at the end of meal? Very few people are going to ask for a manager and wait.

>>8445328
the bonuses go to the company, not the employee when things are finished ahead of schedule

t. someone who used to work construction

>>8445331
>implying I haven't worked retail.

I worked at Radio Shack while I was going to school. There were incentives for selling satellite tv, cell phones, and warranty plans. Huge incentives if we could get them to sign up for a Radio Shack credit card.

>>8445339
>Very few people are going to ask for a manager and wait.
you have never worked in a restaurant have you?

>>8445338
There are checks against that. All work is inspected to insure it was done properly. Labor is the major controllable expense on a project. Usually There is always a deadline for the work, and if you have to pay overtime to make the deadline because people are underperforming, you lose more money than you do by offering a bonus Paying people extra to work hard isn't all that outlandish.

>>8445350
>My n=2 sample size anecdotal evidence proves that the majority of people complain.

No, statistically most people do not complain when unhappy.

>>8445339
>They are paid by the project schedule, stupid. Has a level of work been achieved. Today a room is painted..at the end of the day if the room isn't painted then the manager knows the work wasn't performed.
so let me get this straight. you think that you cant look at a table, see filled drink and food, and not tell that the job has been done?

>>8445340
My next door neighbor is a carpenter for Rudolph Libbey. He gets bonuses. Perhaps your company is shitty?

>>8445273
>I've also been to many countries where tippings not the norm, and service is almost universally shitty

Now I know you're full of shit. Tipping is not standard in Korea or Japan and service blows the US out of the water. In fact, after a couple years in those countries, the service in any US restaurant is almost intolerable.

If you're so wrong about that, how can anyone believe anything else you wrote?

>>8445365
do you really think every company operates in the same way?

I tip but if the service is bad I won't.

I go out to eat to try something different or if I don't want to cook. I don't go to a restaurant to be entrenched in a social-charity quagmire. You guys are ridiculous.

Bring the food and act like a nice person and you get a tip. Act like a dick or neglect me and I won't reward you.

I don't give a shit about their plight or income, that's not my concern it's up to them and their employers. I'm not callous or being a contrarian, I just don't understand how people put wait staff on a pedestal and get so passionate about subsidizing their income.

>>8445365
>Every single business works exactly the same.

This conversation is really making the old 'rons work over time.

>>8445366
I've been to Austrailia, New Zealand, Bongland, and South Africa. In general Asian service is always awesome. It's why I tend to fly Asian owned airlines whenever I have the option.

>>8445344
Not the guy who you are talking to but I work at Radio Shack now and we don't do that.

>>8445375
>>8445388
fair enough. Maybe they should. Might help with the bottom line.

>>8445394
>I work at Radio Shack now
One of the 4 remaining stores? Be careful you might dox yourself.

>>8445398
Not really, it encourages cutting corners which eventually loses business.

>>8445394
I haven't worked there since 2001. Most Spiffs were offered by the cell phone companies themselves. Sprint and Verizon both sent cuties to ply us with gift bags, and the like to get us to sell their product over the other. I'm sure Radio Shack has cut a lot of shit, what with their closing like every retail location they have over the last few years.

>>8445406
did you actually try to argue a point based on evidence in a changing environment from nearly two decades ago?

>>8445422
I did. I'm old. But I know it's still common. There's a reason salespeople pressure you to buy shit. Sometimes it's a spiff, sometimes it's manager offering a prize to whoever sells the most service plans. Incentivizing a workforce is common. It's management 101. You have a choice in how you get people to perform. You can lead by example, fire people (which is hell if you're having rouble hiring already), or you can reward perormance. Rewards are far easier to offer than actually trying to lead.

I can't wait until all service roles are replaced by robots.

French here and while I'm biaised about not wanting to give tips I've been very displeased when I've been solicited for that in america.
I don't know if it's the tipping culture or another quirk of america but your serving staff usually does a piss poor job.
Mostly it comes from the staff being rude and intrusive. I'm not talking about being friendly and suggesting you menu items when taking your order, I'm talking about being very intrusive and barging in unsollicited.
Not only that but a lot of the time you're pressed for time at order, I presume so they can churn out more tables served. It's not frequent in american restaurants to be allowed to just sit back and enjoy your aperitif before ordering.
On the same vein, they never ask if you're finished before taking the dishes away and they don't do it in a batch like it's supposed to go. Instead they'll grab a plate as soon as it's empty, leaving the poor client rather uncomfortable if he's dining with friends.

So I don't know where this guy >>8445284 is coming from because your waiting staff is never the reason to go back to an american restaurant. It's only for the food.
And it's like that in France too, waiting staff is mostly irrelevant. What matters is the food and the kitchen staff, except in some fringe cases like very small restaurants where the waiting staff isn't a random fuck the owned hired anyway.
Except our waiting staff doesn't do its job horribly on purpose when not motivated by a carrot on a stick.

>>8445500
>motivated by a carrot on a stick.
it's carrot OR the stick you dumb frog.

>>8444450
THANK YOU!! Fuck the cows who gloat on FB that they made $100.

>>8445444
You are beyond dumb and incredibly out of touch.

>>8445513
there is no stick option in this scenario, the frustration of not getting the carrot is not a punishment
the locution "carrot on a stick" refers to this kind of apparatus

>>8443896
yeah cause why the fuck would you need extra to do a job

>>8444943
Yep. That lasts for about 5-10 years.
Then you hate everything

>>8445531
But tips (the carrot) are attainable in the US. So the unattainable "carrot" idiom doesn't make sense.

>>8444234
They usually do it next time you're in there because they're petty cunts.

>>8443600
In my country, a 10% tip is automatically included in the bill.

It makes things easier, but kinda sucks, as the tip is supposed to congratulate a great job.

>>8445366
There are Japanese restaurants in the US that have a request on their menu asking you not to tip as they pay their staff an appropriate wage.

>>8445338
There are other metrics, but yeah, actually, if a server serves their tables quickly and there are no complaints, that's a pretty good indication that they're doing a good job.

Can you imagine being a regular at a restaurant and never tipping?

a guaranteed way to ensure that a handful of people hate your guts.

>>8443600
I don't tip, I never tipped
Fucking stupid cucks should get better jobs if they can get so triggered over me not giving them free money for doing their job

I don't have friends to discuss this with and neither do I care about spit in my soup.

>being a yank

>>8445873
>There are other metrics, but yeah, actually, if a server serves their tables quickly and there are no complaints, that's a pretty good indication that they're doing a good job.
I think you don't realize that MOST people don't complain most of the time, they just silently cross you off their list forever and ever, and tell all their friends. And, by "most" I mean like that it's estimated that 75-99% don't say a word. You can be sure that an irate customer rant is higher in New York, of course. They have a reputation to uphold, but all kidding aside. The number of complaints that actually should happen is astronomical.

>>8445055
No bartender acts as a psychlogist you stupid fuck. I don't go to waiters for medical advice

>>8444660
>gossiping the whole entire day
and the cooks don't?
i work in a kitchen and the cooks all bullshit all day long

Tipping is a ridiculous ass-backwards system, god only knows how the meme perpetuates itself. The kitchen slaves away while waitstaff does literally nothing.

That said, I'm a waiter and fucking love making an extra hundo every night. Easy peasy.

>mfw all these retards have actually be tricky dickied by rich Capitalists into giving up more of THEIR OWN MONEY to make up the wages of someone who should be paid properly by their boss
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS UP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>8445010
>literally buying his friends
what a loser

>>8443600
you're right and he was wrong. i agree with you

>>8444660
I work in a kitchen and I'd say about 60% to 75% of my time is spent standing around, bullshitting and smokeing. And when I'm not doing that I'm just drawing lewd shit on the prep board.

There should srsly be a tipping general on this board
>the ride never ends

>>8444499
>>>/alc/

>>8445366
Most of the fancier restaurants in Asia have a flat 10% service charge added to your bill, though I would say even budget places without the service charge provide good service too.

>carryout place has a tip line on the receipt

Hahahaha fuck you!

>I don't tip, I don't agree with the system in place to pay servers

>I realize that if it were adjusted I'd be paying more anyways without a choice on the matter but...

>I'm just really cheap and I don't care about waiters, we're talking about tips, it's a small amount of cash and it requires a small person for a philosophical stance to be formed around $7.

>>8448417
I live in Japan and it's the same here. Most houses don't even come with ovens, just small grills big enough to fit a fish in on its side. I also have the same time of oven/toaster, as it's the only way you can roast anything.

Nobody even sells whole chickens over here unless it's Christmas (including every butcher I've seen)

>>8443751
Depebds on the bar, where i work all we do is tip liquids into cups

>>8445024
Bet you're a fan of child labor

>>8445059
Sassy

>I eat one pizza per week
>If I tip 2$ each It's 102$ a year
The only thing I would tip is a pebble for thos pleble!

>>8443734
>#micdrop
Feeling kind of triggered desu

>>8445328
Grandpa did machine assembly for 35 years.
$1000 bonus a month if he finished his projects.
Huge fucking machines and he met his quota every month.

>>8444943
The majority of people deserve to be dead, and drastic steps will be taken to control the population in your lifetime.

In the past couple of weeks I have left my barber a 120% tip, and my bartender a 40% tip.

I get served like a mutherfucker.

>eating at restaurants

The last little bit of control in our lives is what goes from plate to fork to mouth and you're giving up that freedom to eat at a restaurant

Disgusting

>>8443614
I get pissed when I hear my friends make 45k/year in a hole in the wall billiards bar that doesn't make any complicated drinks. just beer and liquor with simple mixers. there's barely any skilled involved at all, no reason they should make 45k when line cooks make barely anything.

>>8443700
Numale cuck. Go make smarmy and sarcastic posts to your 15 followers on Twitter.

Its an inside conspiracy between waiters because they know they make bank off tips but they dont want to admit the amount of money they make doesnt reflect with the little amount of work they do compared to the cooks.

>server does their job
>gets tipped based on their job
>expect to pay 20% whether the bill is $5.00 or $50.00

Not how I do things. You don't cook the food, gopher. Get a real job.